The new Harley El Diablo is a disappointment...
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- In this video I'll tell you why I'm disappointed with the new Harley Davidson Icon, the El Diablo.
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If people are willing to pay the money, then kudos to them. There are WAY too many cheaper motorcycles to select from.
Cheaper yes
BMW is doing some serious discounting on their R-18 heritage models.
That’s because they can’t sell them.
For the price of the sound system ($1200) I can buy another low mileage Goldwing. Of course the Goldwing's not going to get me lucky with the ladies, at least not the good ones. Maybe some poor old toothless, woman would ride if I offered her a pound of weed - but that would still be iffy. Plus, why would I want another Goldwing anyway? They're not comfortable, only get 50mpg on regular, don't handle, won't do over 136 mph, and they're ugly. Tbh, I'm ashamed to be seen on JapCrap. I could buy a real bike on credit, but I'm a pathetic cheapskate who doesn't show status. Probably going to die alone.
Less expensive. Not cheaper. More refined and more reliable also.
Jerry... just another reason I still own a 2009 CVO Road Glide and a 2010 Street Glide. I'll more than likely die with those bikes. There is no way in hell I'll pay the prices they are asking now for new bikes. Great channel... always enjoy your site.
I paid $26k for 2019 RGS in 2020. Had 3k miles on it. CAME with the 114. I've got about 14k in upgrades and I'm about to throw the stage 2 SS cam chest kit on it. Its well worth the money.
Look at the bright side.. at least its not covered in rainbow colored dil dos
Good point.
What’s wrong with rainbows? Hahahaha old men scared of rainbows is the funnest shit ever
40-45K for a HD? What a joke!
H.D. dealers are laughing all the way to the bank. As are all new car dealers.
@@motorman857 as the saying goes - there is a sucker born every minute.
Harley Davidson should take a poll on the Icon series and get a feel for what the Harley community would like to see roll out.
I'll stay with my 2013 Road Glide Special. No stock motorcycle is worth 40 grand, I don't care who built it.
As a painter and body tech. The amount of time, sweat, love and amount of effort and technique to do it. The few thousand extra would be worth it. Plus the sound system BUT yeah the dealer mark up and sheer demand is ridiculous....
Just another overpriced turd being passed off as a sport/adventure bike by a sellout of a company
@@michaelwyrick4046 Why so bitter, can't you afford to buy one? The ST is not an adventure bike by the way.
@@richardbutler1865 I can afford it and apparently you haven't seen many of the advertisement for it.
@@michaelwyrick4046 The Pan America is an Adventure type bike the ST is decidedly not intended for off-road adventure type riding. I must have missed the advertising with the ST being shown riding off-road. I'm very happy with my ST, please enlighten those of us overpriced turd riding enthusiast's what we should be riding that you would approve of and not be sellouts?
Jerry, that Revival, in my humble opinion, is the most beautiful motorcycle in production today. I'd probably have to mortgage my house to afford one. And you have two of 'em. That ain't right, boss. That just ain't right. 😉
That is the most beautiful shade of blue that I think I’ve ever seen!!
I think he said that his wife bought him one and he bought one
I see what you did there! LOL
Wonderful down to earth videos. I stumbled onto your channel while doing a motorcycle search. I do ride a big Honda , however your videos are inspirational and VERY honest. I'm becoming a fan!! Thank you for posting!!
Remember the 1978 "Fly 27 inches off the ground" original Lowrider? I think it had 3.5 gal tanks. Grey with red lettering. Little drag bars. Even the huge 2 into 1 exhaust setup.
That was iconic.
A bike that expensive becomes a garage queen, too expensive to ride around in. Can you imagine if you scratched it or chipped the paint?
Correct. People who ride motorcycles as transportation, do not ride such bikes. These bikes for their owners are like boats or airplanes, they are taken out sometimes when the weather is good for a few hours or days per year. It's not unusual for a Harley owner to have one particular bike for use at a single rally per year.
I purchased a brand new 1983 FXRT "Sport Glide" and rode the wheels off it. 80" Shovelhead. 5 Speed transmission and enclosed, oil bath rear chain drive. I became an expert at removing the rear wheel for tire changes and bearing maintenance. Many people thought it was a BMW. I've been riding frame mounted fairing bikes every since.
It's a good looking bike, but for $30-40K?? No way. In the end, it's just a different paint job.
Yeah I don't see it being a iconic bike either. I wouldn't pay 27,000 no less 42,000. But there will be some rich guys or gals that will and that's all Harley Davidson is concerned about and they know it will sell. Being only 1500 made it will sell pretty quickly I think.
Good point Motorman, I will definitely buy used, to many sweet used Harleys out there 🔥
It’s about the same price of a 2022 Road Glide ST with the 117 I just picked up so why ?
Hey, Jerry. Been watching your videos and Dan Dan the fireman. Y'all's videos helped me slay the courses here in southern Illinois. Made the instructors freak out because I took the bikes to their limits in shock and awe. Keep making the videos, gave me great pointers to get my endorsement. Been trying on my ultra classic and working on it still.
I'd love a new Road Glide. Never had one, just like'em. The problem? $32K+. I want one but I don't want it that bad. My 06 Dyna will have to keep rolling on. After 16 years, she probably wouldn't start for anyone else anyway. She's been a good ole gal...and still is.
i thought it was a disappointment when i seen it too. for that amount of money , you can get a really good used RoadKing , get a aftermarket FXRT fairing. and have it painted just how you like. do the work yourself and save money. its just a paint job to me. it looks nice, Harley paint jobs look really good,,,90% of the time. but it aint worth that much and the bags on that bike still suck to me. i rather have the standard bags. far more usable to me. good vid
The should bring back the FXRT from the 90’s. I had 2 different FXR’s, the softail just doesn’t handle good enough to ever be considered a sport model!
@@charlesprice7608 I have an FXRS and the handling is superb!
So the custom work you suggest actually becomes readable because of the price "gouging" for the new models.
@@jonnycando I bought a new 1990 FXRS when I was 21, wish I never sold it! Put 64,000 miles on it in four years. A guy offered me way to much for it, and I bough a new 94 FXLR. Never liked it as much because of the 21 inch front tire, gave up handling for looks. Loved the FXLR bars actually put them on my 90.
I think the reason this bike was put out, was due to King of the Baggers. Take a look at those race bikes. Same fairing and bars. The saddlebags are mounted up high and close to the bike. It's also being marketed as a hot rod.
The MOCO dropped the ball on this one. They catered to an audience that is more concerned with fads than the love of riding. I’m a relatively young man at 37 years old, and this bike is a disappointment. The whole ST line is, I think, a miss.
That's harley in a nutshell, they cater to the fad rider, not real riders.
What’s that upturned bracket looking thing on the front fender of the “Elvis Presley” model that was shown?!
It's a watchama callit.
The MOCO needs to do something more drastic, like remake the EVO engine in a Dyna frame with a metal flake paint job and apes. Not this softail ST crap…
I should have mine in a few weeks. You were paying the premium for RF audio and about 5,000 for the custom paint. So it makes sense from a money perspective. I got mine at MSRP for my dealer. I jumped on it right away and was lucky enough to get selected. Can't wait to get it
I just got mine you will love it!
That is *not* a $5k paintjob and if you felt that was worth the price, you're very foolish. But hey, who cares, its your money/debt.
@@murasakinotsukifjc debt whats that? and you're right, its my money and its well spent on this bike. i would challenge you to find a paint job with that many blended colors and hand painted pin stripes for under 5k. i'm sure you can get someone to spray a solid color for cheap but this paint has a crazy level of color and detail. HD is known for their paint work and using gunslinger makes it that much better. trust me when i tell you, this bike will be in demand YEARS from today.
So how do you like it?
Of course one of the effects of the high price on new bikes is the price of the pre-owned used models.
Iconic, nostalgic, retro? Well, it does look like an old FXRT. I bet one of those, even as rare as they must be by now, would be much cheaper.
Just picked up a used el Diablo from an "old-guy's" collection that was purchased by the local stealership. $30,000 out the door and it had a hair over 700 miles. I remember buying my 06 Ultra Classic w/custom paint and several chrome goodies made in Taiwan for less than that. But oh well, it is a very pretty bike and the seat is surprisingly comfortable. So is it worth $30,000 out the door??? Well, I wrote the check, so I guess that answers that question.
Do you like it? I’m coming from a street glide and have found one still brand new that I am considering buying. I love the way it looks but concerned it will be too small for long rides.
@@user-os1mm8to6l Well, I don't use it for long rides, so I can't tell you how it would do. I can tell you that for long rides it could really use a bigger windshield and a more comfortable seat. But for a 2-3 hour ride? It's fine. I like it a lot. I have replaced the seat with a Saddleman Step Seat and I softened up the Harley suspension as far as it would go... but I'm an old guy, so you can't really go by that either. In all fairness, I also have a Fat Boy and a new CVO Road Glide ST< and I can tell you, the Low Rider ST is a light ( comparitively speaking ), powerful, very fun to ride bike.
So , I can buy two 2022 bmw R 18 baggers fully loaded and a beautiful custom paint job for less then one 2022 lowrider Diablo st
And 20 Honda Navi's. And 40 Chinese mini bikes.
It’s a beautiful bike, I love the paint but I personally wouldn’t call it “iconic”. I think retro when I hear the word iconic.
Here’s an off topic question, does Ground Clearance determine your Lean Angle Limit?
No.
Jerry, do you narrate in this video while riding, or in editing? Great videos!
Well, I thought I was talking as I was riding until I got home and realized I didn't plug in the mic. So I did a voice over.
Its for the new RUB's... Not us old folk.
Jerry what kind of part of Florida did you ride this area is so beautiful?
This is Hudson Florida. For this video I just cruised around my neighborhood.
Auto dealers are also raising prices way above MSRP. Ford says they are cracking down on this practice. We will see.
Love your channel. Watch EVERY episode. Seems to me like Harley wants to make even more money off the ST with the El Diablo. It is pretty but I can’t afford it and think I’ll just stick with my 2020 Heritage 114. Great bike that can go long if needed. Would love to see a Heritage Icon model. Thx for your great content.
Keep in mind that Harley charges dealers an invoice price. If the dealer sells a bike for thousands over MSRP, the dealer makes that extra profit. The Motor Company doesn't get any of that extra profit. The company gets invoice price only.
I am in agreement. I feel HD missed the mark somewhat. I have the Low Rider ST in Gun ship Grey and the only thing that is different is the speakers ($1,035 is what I paid) and Paint job. To call something limited edition or a iconic model I feel they should have offered more add ons to justify the price and really own that title of limited edition. Im taking my bike to paint next year and I will have my own bas ass limited edition one of a kind bike for less. Just sayin!
Sooo El Diablo (MSRP) or a Road Glide standard out the door with a stage 2 upgrade and the nicer head unit ($900 I think)..
Let me think 🤔
Love that jacket. Just bought mine 2 days ago (though a little late in to the season for a perforated jacket as it gets chilly at night)
I know what you mean. Here in Florida it's dipping into the mid 80's at night.
@@motorman857 you little brat! Jerry "it gets cool at night once a year in Florida" Palladino 😎
I'd also heard they would release a bike in the style of Elvis's Harley. My first Roadglide was a little over 28k the one I have now is a 2020 commemorative in billiard blue and white with a historic style number 1 on the tank. It was a little over 32 k. I don't know why the El Diablo bike is really in the icon line either. It seems it would fit more the artist line they had that was also special paint and numbered . I know they did roadglides and street glides in that line. I was really looking forward to seeing an updated version of Elvis's Harley.
Those different sized bags turn me on like a heart attack.They look ridiculous. The Harry Davidson clothing company designers should grab hold of a dictionary and look up the word "symmetrical".
I feel the way you do man I have a 2002 dyna low rider it’s ment condition rides awesome I think I’ll keep my old bike
It’s pretty obvious they are trying to capitalize on the recent popularity of the new FXLRST model by already making it into an “icon”. Which is probably smart business but then again, with only 1500 models how much can they really make? It’s a beautiful motorcycle for sure, but I agree, it just doesn’t seem “iconic” to me……yet.
The Elvis bike is the one I thought they would do.
There has been a lowrider st sitting on the floor at the dealership up here in northern Minnesota for 2 months. Nobody has snatched it up yet and they are even asking msrp! no mark up.
A mini-bagger with a retro FXR faring painted red at nearly a CVO price?!?! . Uh no.
I'll tell Harley to list you as a ''MAYBE'' for a new El Diablo...in case they ask me...
@@motorman857 as PT Barnum said there's a sucker born every minute. My local dealers have already been hyping it up.
Joe, let's face it. The reason Harley is in trouble is because guys like you and I are getting long in the tooth. They need to attract a younger crowd to survive. It's happening all around us.
And that's why they came out with the Low Rider ST.To appeal to the 30 to 50 crowd. And that's who's buying this bike.
It's a softail platform. Bagger guys, usually don't do well on anything else.
I'm always happy when Harley comes up with a big seller whether I like it or not. I don't ever want them to go under.
I have owned a couple iconic bikes I think,1978 Electra glide anniversary, a 1986 Fxrd, I was hoping they would of kept the original Fxrd fairing in the new st lowrider, but i agree with u on what a iconic bike is, today I own a 2022 road glide standard love the bike but miss the older bikes
Very good video Gerry thanks for sharing and your Revival is a beautiful looking bike that would be my pick over all just my opinion coming from a old Honda guy you and Donna have a great weekend take care
Harley really, really needs to change the bags on that bike, the sideways opening makes it a "no go". With today's rider tech I'd just assume get an ElectraGlide Standard and a 2 pack of Cardo Bold. A lot less money , way more bike, and radio/ intercom/ hands free phone and usable bags. Not to mention way less electrical issue potential by not having all that extra tech built into the motorcycle. Besides audio in the helmet will always sound better.
Since dealers are selling every ST they can get their hands on for way over MSRP, Harley shouldn't change a thing. If they weren't selling, tweak this and that. Otherwise, leave it alone, makes perfect sense.
Redstone H-D in Huntsville AL had an El-Diablo sitting on the sales floor about a month ago and I got to take a good look at it. It's a red ST with a number plate on the tank. I couldn't see anything else different. I expected more for such a hyped-up model with a large sticker. At least I can say I sat on one.. I think it was #1361
It just looks and feels like HD is trying to become a niche expensive boutique brand.
I don't get the mini bags. No room for gear,extra speakers, or a 12 pack on the way home. Makes absolutely no sense.
If you slap a CVO label on it and charge $8,000 more for it I’d expect at least the 131 engine if not the full RDRS package.
Completely agree Jerry - everything about this bike is a bit confusing. Getting called a Low Rider but is also being promoted by HD as a tribute to the FXRT. Only need to look at it to know it is a Lowrider ST - tribute to a bike which has existed for 6 months? Makes my brain hurt.
I like it but my 98 heritage still purs like a kitten so I'm going to hang onto it until she starts to disappoint me lol
I still have my 1979 shovelhead that I bought new in 1978 and have a 2006 sportster and also have a2006 limited edition 35th anniversary superglide, I would love to be able to buy a new Harley but just can’t do it, they have priced me out to another brand motorcycle, never did I think they would be 38 to 42 grand , oh well I ha d my fun with Harley now it’s time to move on
Totally agree Jerry…..28K before taxes and extras like warranty etc…Then dealer Scamup charge? Who is buying these bikes? And they wonder why Harley has financial problems….
Yep no way pay over price for the el Diablo looks nice but no thanks. I think I paid a little over for my 22 ultra snake venom at 30k but love the color
The FXR was definitely one that is still sought after on the west coast and has its own nostalgia to it as a fast and nimble club bike. I would say it appeals to the rider looking for that style of bike as the FXD still does to the west coast.
Like your videos. This one talked about price but didn't show the new paint.
Actually, I showed 5 photos of the bike with the new paint. You sure you watched this video?
The local County Police bikes are considerably more iconic to my eye.
Not me saying “easy there truck” out loud during the beginning of this video 😂 didn’t think he was gonna stop.
Yup. That's why I got off the gas and covered the brakes.
Apparently, you have to reserve them on the Harley website, so it won't actually be a dealer ripoff racket bike.
Now, I'll agree that I'm a bit disappointed with it, too... but in my case, it's down to what you get for the money. For $6K more than the standard ST, they should have gone further. Maybe a full stage 1 kit, LED lighting all around, and a nice custom-stitched saddle to match that badass paint job. But I feel it falls a bit short for the money.
The 117 motors come with the stage 2 kits standard. At least, according to H.D.
That’s a lot of cheddar. But I’ll pass on buying a new HD with all the crazy pricing going on. If someone doesn’t mind paying for it, kudos and enjoy.
Where I live there's STs & El Diablos on dealership floors, I got offered 1 for $31K otd but to me it's still more than it's worth
Yeah I’m gonna have to pass on this one.
I’d rather see Harley start pushing out choppers again.
Love the ST line of Harley's, but their not Iconic yet..........With The Elvis movie that came out (great movie) I was hoping the Elvis Harley would be the "Icon" bike they would do. Oh well, maybe next time. Good vid Jerry
I figured you would have loved the El Diablo. I see your point though. They could have done a little more than the paint job. Looks amazing though. Guess you won't be getting two of them by accident, ha.
Oh I like the bike. They handle and ride very well. Just not as good as the touring models.
Sport Glide with a frame mounted fairing...... I've had frame mounted fairing and the bigass batwing, neither are for me.....the sport Glide is a possibility but I could basically do that to my wide glide for far less than $30k
What I really like is Harley didn't turn me away from this bike before it hit the market with that stupid reveal reveal teaser teaser teaser
I bought my El diablo love the style rides great very powerful lots of torque sharpest and easiest figure eights I've ever done ! I have an 08 cvo ultra for long vacations and this smaller bike for local riding . I traded a 14 cvo softail deluxe in on this diablo l love the faring handling that LOT . I do have foward controls ordered for this bike but for handling the mid controls work just fine . Agian my opinion and not everyone likes the same thing . Thanks for your videos !
The only thing I don’t love about it are the asymmetrical ST bags from the rear view. But here it is in 2024 and I’m still going to buy one.
Rumors have it that #666 el Diablo was sold for 66,600 dollars.
Harley I love ya but you will never sell me a bike costing 30K. Nobody will. The last car I bought was less than that. .
yes , well , i have been invited to buy one here in the uk , but i do not want to buy what is basically a sport glide with a big ugly fairing for an extra 8 grand ;;;
Wonder what it'll be worth used a couple years down the road. Folks with that kind of money don't ride much and lose interest once they figure out bike riding requires tons of practice to be safely enjoyed. Losing 60 or 70% of what they paid for is no big deal for them once they need room in their garage for the new Taycan or M8. Be patient and buy it in December that year. Possibly in a snow storm lol.
Got that same mesh jacket. Fuccin love it
Yea, I'm 72 and feel the same. I didn't expect this model as an icon.
Lot's of my friends want to get new HD models but the prices got everyone the saying PASS and looking at other makes or used HDs.
I like it, throwback to a FXRT.
No way is that bike worth that kind of money! Almost $30,000 sticker price I would never consider it! Who would buy a half ass touring motorcycle for that kind of money? I have no idea. Just a basic bike with weird fairing and tiny bags. I would go for the Indian Challenger for the same money, WAY more bang for your buck. Just my opinion, great video. Thanks😎
I'll advise Harley to list you as a ''MAYBE'' for a new Low Rider ST El Diablo at 10K over list. 😁
😂😂😂
For it to be a Icon bike, it should have been chromed to go with that great paint job like the 80's bike.
I agree!
A great looking bike in my opinion and if The Motor Company can get 1500 $45,000 bikes sold than why shouldn't they? Me personally, I'm in love with my '07 Road King which I would not sell for twice what I paid.
It's all about your hearts desire when it comes to HD's and I think that's great.
PS, I enjoy your ride and talks where we can study a Pro in action.
El Diablo is for me just a low rider ST in CVO version and not an icon. There are some iconic older Harley models which deserve to be “reproduced”. Revival was a move in the right direction, but this now is a disappointment despite El Diablo being a good looking bike….
I believe HD thinks this is a full on homage to FXRT and while it honors it; It’s not an FXR frame. If you want to do this right I think that’s what is needed. I would take this and offer it as a CVO model with production limited only by demand. I don’t know for what could be the next icon but there’s plenty to pick from.
I took my original motor officer course on an FXRTP, among other bikes. The new softails are superior in every way.
@@motorman857 if I ever get new and don’t get a tri glide i may do a heritage since they give so much touring ability for less money. Indian has my email address and are trying to convince to one of theirs but just keep imagining that there’s nothing to keep Polaris from abandoning the brand just as swiftly as they did to Victory and just as that brand was beginning to have some cachet!
Maybe they're trying to get a younger demographic into the brand??? Either way not for me, I love my 2020 Streetglide Special in Zephyr Blue/Black Sunglow and I'm sticking with it, just extended the warranty for another three years. Love this bike 😀
How are they going to get the younger demographic to buy one of those? Many of them are of the "student loan" group and some are with young families. They aren't and can't spend that amount of money on a shitbox frankly.
Congratulations on your 277,000 views on the video about the Harley plant!!!
I thought the USA was in recession ! but Beautiful paint job, on those lop sided bags
For an "Icon model" HD should've put 131 CI's in them......
What a beautiful looking neighbourhood, nice bike but way above my budget 😥
Not if you lived in my neighborhood. 😉
Honestly I LOVE the ST. BUUT, there is no way I would feel comfortable even paying MSRP for that bike, and I would NEVER pay ONE DOLLAR over. It's basically the perfect sport cruiser bike in my opinion, but SADLY I will likely spend my money elsewhere unless this IDIOCY stops.
My guess is next year for the Fatboy since it’s the 120yr anniversary and they’ve put out a new Fatboy lo on the previous anniversaries.
This bike doesn't seem to have been designed as a single entity. It appears to have been made up of parts of other bikes or pieces that didn't make it on to any other H-D model. That isn't what Harley does. Very unHarley-like at its core.
Bikes and beards just bought a couple police bikes, I suggested you to them,
Because they really need some help, and I think it would be great fun to watch them do your course,
I've offered. That's all I can do.
@@motorman857 I got a decommissioned road king it has taught me a great deal of respect for you guys who can really ride them.
Would never deal with a dealer who marks up msrp
It’s just a new color? BFD
The originals would not sell and were offered big discounts. Yes it was a different world.
@ 1:39 in. White truck approaching intersection from the right, looks like he’s going to blow the stop sign… motorman brakes and downshifts without even breaking stride or stopping his talk.😁impressive skills.
It's a voice-over. Jerry said in another post that he forgot to plug in the mic and had to do a voice-over for this video.
No stream? Can’t play?
It's playing back perfect on this end, TH-cam is having issues, give it a few minutes, trust me, it's playing 100% with sound and video.