Young people don't realize how amazing this show was/is. Talk shows were everything back then. This was ground-breaking. Sally Jesse took a journalistic standpoint. She didn't know what to say because this was a completely new concept to her, and to most people back then. The issues and questions that people spoke about on these shows just wouldn't happen today. I think the downfall came after the Jenny Jones thing. I would love to know what became of Toby!
This is Jim Sinclair. They've done amazing advocacy work in their life, particularly in autism. Their writing is often referred to and quoted and is a real touchstone. A true leader in thought and heart.
This is a fantastic talk show with a wonderful host. Wow. My mouth is gaping not because I find Toby shocking but because you rarely see this level of quality, and willingness to understand, in anything these days-certainly not in talk shows..
Toby is cool as a cucumber! I can't imagine the societal pressure Toby must have had to withstand just to continue being themself. Major hats off, and I hope Toby is continuing to live their best life.
I don't think Sally is being rude. It's a talk show. She's asking questions that a lot of people are thinking. (And, from what I remember, she was abrasive in general.) But... I'm a Christian. Toby has never hurt me. No gay person has ever hurt me. We don't have to agree 100% with anyone's lifestyle to accept them, do we? Why must we be so hostile to LGBT people?
@@bowtoyoursensei554 Toby seems to identify as nonbinary. They say they feel neither male nor female, and they live as how they see their identity. Which is different from being born without specific assigned sex. People born without a specific assigned sex are usually considered intersex, and there are still different variations of intersex people, including those with visible genitalia. Considering the time this show came out, the term nonbinary was not used by many, however nonbinary identities did exist. It was a struggle the farther we go back, especially when they lacked the words to understand.
Intersex issues could be linked to hermaphrodite issues or gender neutrality. Or bisexuality. Cytogenetics is a very complex field of study and variations of development are seemingly endless.
Lady Mondegreen Yeah but it believes in god, and loves its dog more than people. That's nonsense. Although you have to respect its strength to behave as it feels. I wish I had the courage to be truly genderless as we all should be.
sinekonata don't use "it" for a non-binary person unless they specifically tell you to. it's dehumanizing and makes it sound as if you're referring to them in terms of an animal or object, not a person. i'd be fine with hanging out with them even if they believe in god, because unlike some people I am not one of those atheists that loves to insult everyone who finds comfort in religion. also don't judge them for loving their dog more than people. being trans means you get a lot of shit from everyone, back then it must have been even worse, I don't blame them if they'd rather stay in the company of their dog. At least their dog is never going to call them an "it" or make invasive comments about their genitals.
+sinekonata Toby finds in dogs - and another species - they doesn't have the same preconceptions as humans. A dog (or ANY OTHER animal) doesn't count your bank account, doesn't care if you're black, white, rich, poor, young, old. It's much simpler, much more basic, universal; it's what inside of YOU, it's looking at. I'm not some hippy-dippy person, but, it's really hard to explain that all intelligent life has 'basics' in common. We all came from this amazing thing thing known as 'life,' and more-than-likely, 'life' here, began out 'there (I don't just mean that we are made of stuff first created in the hearts of ancient stars), and, in essence we all come from the 'one' (I'm not speaking 'religiously,' but, rather.. more basic, is the only way I can say. I'll use a dog as an example; a dog - other than being another mammal, doesn't have a lot in common with humans. On the surface. But, when one tries, one CAN communicate with a dog, or, with any animal, because for some reason one I don't understand - there ARE universal truths. On a simplistic level, if a dog makes certain sounds, you know it's sad, or it's hurt, happy, etc. The same goes for the dog understanding YOU. It's not verbal, it's audible, it's more tonality. My dog knows - w/out me doing anything, or showing any 'emotion - that I'm sad, and will try to comfort me. I'll shut up, here, but,
@@sinekonata what's bad in believing in god? As far as they wont convince you that you go to hell for not believing their god, is ok. Religion is something, spirituality is another.
Toby is an incredible genuine and strong person to lay down these truths to an extremely ignorant 1980s(?) public. I would really like to know where they are now. I hope life has been good to them.
It's because they are autistic - which often means clear thought outside the bounds of social norms and dedication to the truth in the face of criticism and rejection. They became Jim Sinclair an influential activist and writer.
I love this show and saw it years ago when it was first aired. I'm so glad to have found it on TH-cam because Toby is the most fascinating human being I've ever seen. Toby has one huge thing in common with God. Toby is neither man nor woman, but both, or neither depending on how you look at it. I never understood why we had to call God "he" although I've heard the reasons/arguments to support it. The main reason being it's just "easier" to give God a pronoun. It's actually quite easy to simply repeat the the word "God" because after all it's only a 3 letter word! Give me a break. Thank you Toby for showing us who you are; the most balanced person on the planet and a true gift from God, The Universe, Existence!!!
I look nearly Identical to Toby, and My Mother and I were both born like Toby with Ovotesticular Disorder (True Hermaphroditism). I relate to Toby 100%
Toby, I saw this when it first aired. This was before the internet, and I know that you just wanted to be able to reach out, and not just have people understand, but, you wished to meet someone who was 'just like you.' I admired you then, I NEVER stopped thinking about you (I recorded this, on my creaky VCR, back then, and made many watch.II always felt you were so well-adjusted, but, in a way, so isolated (NOT by your choice - I admired your openness). The things you said then, have stuck with me (I first saw the Donahue interview). I, too am a dog-lover, and, I prefer them to people. I appreciate how they don't judge you if you're young, old, rich, poor, male, female, they just want to be with you, be you friend. They DO love you - for YOU. This isn't another gender It's another species, and it's so pure, so beautiful, if more people could only understand - it's NOT just dogs, but, we're all on this planet, together, and even though we may not speak the same languages, there ARE universals. I always felt if we're ever thinking of communicating with extraterrestrials, we'd better first start here, with those around us. I loved how eloquently you spoke, here, even when Sally was really tying to get an 'answer' from you. I always wanted to just say 'hello,' and I KNOW you know there are many people who care about you, and who would love to be your friend.
+U.N. Owen Your comment is wonderful. Like you I saw this interview with Toby when it first aired and never forgot this fascinating and intelligent young person. I too hope Toby is alive and well and would love to say how much I appreciated and never forgot this terrific interview. It's wonderful to see this particular show again!
completely agree, i am in a similar boat with gender and its hard to live a life in this world, i can barely imagine what toby went through back then, does anybody know what hes doing now?
I'd like to find out where Toby is today because I can't find nothing online at all. What a bright person with such a fascinating way of viewing things
@@zeynepbilgi Yeah, it started at the end of 2019. If someone tried to include an external link in a reply, the reply would be “hidden”. Same for hashtags.
Toby is a beautiful soul. The lesson they were here to provide was to inform others & raise our level of acceptance & love as a collective species 💕 I hope they’ve continued to live a genuine & fulfilling life
+sinekonata Who are you referring to as being 'ignorant'? Toby ISN'T a he, nor a she (And, if you watch Toby, as I did, when it first aired, I found my own perception flipping constantly).
I’m not Toby but I’m basically like them and I sing. There’s no small number of us building musical careers or bands now actually, it’s a very ceiling-breaking moment right now.
She didnt mean to offend, though it is a bit provocative, not towards them but towards religion and our society bias. We constructed this strict model male and female world, it reflects in religion, even in god. They literally created us like so, then anything that's not is abnormal. A mistake. I remember that Spartan society used to throw their disabled children down a cliff. Unmarried women had to be despised in Victorian age, and homosexuals to hide.
Asexual yes, as stated. As to the term genderqueer, I'm fairly sure Toby would have preferred "genderless". As in "I don't care about gender" rather than making up new genders or claiming to be a queer person. It feels like Toby's thought is very much scientific and nihilistic, not very spiritual or creative as the term genderqueer would suggest.
Normally, hermaphrodites from a chromosomal standpoint, turn out to be males with undeveloped sex organs. Given the deep tone of Toby's voice, and reluctance to reveal the chromosomal findings, this would seem to be whats occured here.
MarshiaMacy no hes just a dude playing a game nothing more complex then that, in fact complexity is what he's trying to do with all his im here but not here eye movements.
nawf gotjokes You guys have a stalker-level obsession with other people’s genetics, huh? I wonder what other group also judged others on their genes. Also you do realize that non-binary people have existed since the dawn of time, not to mention that God themself is non-binary, since we are all made in their image?
@@RaeIsGaeeThe hilarious part is they are woefully ignorant of the science and realities of intersex people’s bodies. Shown clearly in every false statement and just underlined by their use of the word “hermaphrodite” which science has not used in a LONG time.
Very inspiring.. as humans we have the freedom to live & want in our life.. I say be happy as everyday we have a choice to be happy as life is too short not to be. Sincerely Laura & guide Dog Rolf
I also remember watching it, and, I'd be sitting there saying 'it looks/sounds like a feminine man,' but, within moments, I'd flip my thinking, and say to myself; 'it looks/sounds like a masculine woman.' Toby was also on a DONAHUE around the same time as this. I wonder if anyone has any info on Toby, as this was YEARS ago. I hope all's well with Toby.
I remember seeing clips from this on Talk Soup roundabout 199x. I always remember that the first time I mentioned to my mother that I did not want to have a gender she derisively responded "do you want to be like TOBY?" I did not want to be like Toby! Not presentation-wise, anyway, but Toby and I otherwise had some perspectives in common.
The most interesting part of the comments (to me) is seeing people trying to construct pro-nouns to replace 'he/she,' there are some really creative ones
this person DEFINITELY didn't want to be interviewed in any sort of way. just look at the choice of words this person gives to Sally. sounds and with a note of rudeness there.
I love this interview so much. I have the privilege of knowing Toby, and what a tremendous human being xe is. The pronoun Xe chose is Xe. Xe used to have a newsletter, FINDING OUR OWN WAYS, but it isn't being published now. This program is from 1988, I think.
I find it strange that this person Toby is so outspoken on this show and then is never heard from again. No trace of this person online. Nobody seems to know who this is who are very close to this subject. That makes me think either he was putting on an act or the Sally Show was.
vcrcooking I read online that Toby has done works of art for the Transgender Community but, I can't find Toby at all let alone a last name. I need to find out more about this person
vcrcooking ~ That's possible because I once knew this man that appeared on Geraldo back in the '90s and nearly everything that came out of his mouth on that show was a lie. He was on with an older, non-passable transsexual that they were claiming were old Army buddies, or some such nonsense. However, he actually told me he always had a fascination with transsexuals and had even married one. He would hang out at drag shows in Dallas always lurking at them. On Geraldo, however, he acted like this was all a surprise to him and he'd never known a trans before his old buddy called up and said, "I have something I need to tell you. Surprise! I had a sex-change and now I'm a woman." I knew the whole thing was B.S. and I bet they only met a few weeks before the show, because this guy told me all the transgenders he knew were young and passable, none were middle-aged dads in drag like this person was.
madstrawberrypie It’s not. Toby would be, at least, 60 years old now. They were on an obscure talk show that most likely flew under the radar long before the internet came about. So really, few people knew about their existence, so the advent of the internet never really cataloged their actions afterwards. In a roundabout way, Toby is much like Henry Darger. Few people know of them, and even fewer know their personal lives. I have heard of a Facebook account for Toby though, so they might’ve created an account a while ago. No idea where it is though.
This individual is remarkably wise, especially since "they" seem young in this video. I figured out why. They have Autism. I think it's a superpower. My boys and husband have it and are alot smarter than me.I believe it's an evolved type of human being. People think of Autism as a disorder, but it probably isn't.
💁🏽♀️Toby is the most intelligent non binary person I’ve ever seen thus far. This person actually makes it make sense!!! Very interesting and genuine argument.🤓👍🏽💚
Because singular They has been in use for centuries, and was even commonly used in Shakespeare’s writings. Not to mention how “E” can be easily confused with he/she, while “it” is dehumanizing to most non-binary people.
ProudToBe AnAmerican and people would clap and cheer this freak on, but ask them to help feed somebody in need, in need not looking for a handout, and these people will look the other way, ahhh America
Non-binary people have always existed. If you want another fantastic example, look up The Universal Friend. Their story is wonderful and quite wholesome for the time period.
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Young people don't realize how amazing this show was/is. Talk shows were everything back then. This was ground-breaking. Sally Jesse took a journalistic standpoint. She didn't know what to say because this was a completely new concept to her, and to most people back then. The issues and questions that people spoke about on these shows just wouldn't happen today. I think the downfall came after the Jenny Jones thing. I would love to know what became of Toby!
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This is Jim Sinclair. They've done amazing advocacy work in their life, particularly in autism. Their writing is often referred to and quoted and is a real touchstone. A true leader in thought and heart.
@@linden5165 A great person. Brilliant mind!
This is a fantastic talk show with a wonderful host. Wow. My mouth is gaping not because I find Toby shocking but because you rarely see this level of quality, and willingness to understand, in anything these days-certainly not in talk shows..
Toby is cool as a cucumber! I can't imagine the societal pressure Toby must have had to withstand just to continue being themself. Major hats off, and I hope Toby is continuing to live their best life.
I wish this format of real show still existed.
Toby is a beautiful human being. It's that simple. I hope Toby is doing well.
@Neniu omg thank you. Toby is amazing
I saw this when it first aired and I never forgot it. I always wondered what happened to Toby. I hope Toby is alive and well today.
When did it first aired ?
Early or mid 80s I think?
+Becky High Really ? I would have thought early 90s.
It was definitely before I got married and left home in 1987. ☺
+Becky High same here.
It will be cool if Sally and Toby switch the eyeglasses after the break .
But then no one would be able to tell them apart.
Toby is so intelligent! very articulate and really makes you think about things from a totally different perspective.
I don't think Sally is being rude. It's a talk show. She's asking questions that a lot of people are thinking. (And, from what I remember, she was abrasive in general.)
But... I'm a Christian. Toby has never hurt me. No gay person has ever hurt me. We don't have to agree 100% with anyone's lifestyle to accept them, do we? Why must we be so hostile to LGBT people?
I was on the show back in 1994. She was very abrasive and rude to me for no reason..
Toby isn't gay or LGBT and doesn't live a "lifestyle." There are people born without a clear gender and Toby is one of those.
@@bowtoyoursensei554 Toby seems to identify as nonbinary. They say they feel neither male nor female, and they live as how they see their identity. Which is different from being born without specific assigned sex. People born without a specific assigned sex are usually considered intersex, and there are still different variations of intersex people, including those with visible genitalia. Considering the time this show came out, the term nonbinary was not used by many, however nonbinary identities did exist. It was a struggle the farther we go back, especially when they lacked the words to understand.
@jade ac being a fucking dumb ass bigot is a choice lmao.
Thank you for that
We need more people like you
People who,while not agreeing with something,and still mature and respectful
Wow this Toby is a strong person ahead of their time. Toby self esteem is amazing
Intersex issues could be linked to hermaphrodite issues or gender neutrality. Or bisexuality. Cytogenetics is a very complex field of study and variations of development are seemingly endless.
If anyone has a recent update on Toby please share it. I am aware their real name is Jim Sinclair and I am aware of Autreat.
I saw this episode back in grade school! I hope Toby is alive and well & enjoying life!
This Toby person seems really cool... I wish I could be friends with them :0
Lady Mondegreen Yeah but it believes in god, and loves its dog more than people. That's nonsense.
Although you have to respect its strength to behave as it feels. I wish I had the courage to be truly genderless as we all should be.
sinekonata don't use "it" for a non-binary person unless they specifically tell you to. it's dehumanizing and makes it sound as if you're referring to them in terms of an animal or object, not a person.
i'd be fine with hanging out with them even if they believe in god, because unlike some people I am not one of those atheists that loves to insult everyone who finds comfort in religion. also don't judge them for loving their dog more than people. being trans means you get a lot of shit from everyone, back then it must have been even worse, I don't blame them if they'd rather stay in the company of their dog. At least their dog is never going to call them an "it" or make invasive comments about their genitals.
+sinekonata Toby finds in dogs - and another species - they doesn't have the same preconceptions as humans.
A dog (or ANY OTHER animal) doesn't count your bank account, doesn't care if you're black, white, rich, poor, young, old. It's much simpler, much more basic, universal; it's what inside of YOU, it's looking at.
I'm not some hippy-dippy person, but, it's really hard to explain that all intelligent life has 'basics' in common.
We all came from this amazing thing thing known as 'life,' and more-than-likely, 'life' here, began out 'there (I don't just mean that we are made of stuff first created in the hearts of ancient stars), and, in essence we all come from the 'one' (I'm not speaking 'religiously,' but, rather.. more basic, is the only way I can say.
I'll use a dog as an example; a dog - other than being another mammal, doesn't have a lot in common with humans.
On the surface.
But, when one tries, one CAN communicate with a dog, or, with any animal, because for some reason one I don't understand - there ARE universal truths.
On a simplistic level, if a dog makes certain sounds, you know it's sad, or it's hurt, happy, etc.
The same goes for the dog understanding YOU.
It's not verbal, it's audible, it's more tonality.
My dog knows - w/out me doing anything, or showing any 'emotion - that I'm sad, and will try to comfort me.
I'll shut up, here, but,
zi name is jim sinclair an autism activist and co founder of autism international network.
@@sinekonata what's bad in believing in god? As far as they wont convince you that you go to hell for not believing their god, is ok. Religion is something, spirituality is another.
The look on the girl’s face at 00:18 has no judgement, she’s just discovering something new in a respectful way
Toby is an incredible genuine and strong person to lay down these truths to an extremely ignorant 1980s(?) public. I would really like to know where they are now. I hope life has been good to them.
totally, it's like Toby came from the 2000s back in time
It's because they are autistic - which often means clear thought outside the bounds of social norms and dedication to the truth in the face of criticism and rejection. They became Jim Sinclair an influential activist and writer.
Look up Jim Sinclair Autistic.
Look up Jim Sinclair
Nenderthal song ''neuter'' brought me here
I love this show and saw it years ago when it was first aired. I'm so glad to have found it on TH-cam because Toby is the most fascinating human being I've ever seen. Toby has one huge thing in common with God. Toby is neither man nor woman, but both, or neither depending on how you look at it. I never understood why we had to call God "he" although I've heard the reasons/arguments to support it. The main reason being it's just "easier" to give God a pronoun. It's actually quite easy to simply repeat the the word "God" because after all it's only a 3 letter word! Give me a break. Thank you Toby for showing us who you are; the most balanced person on the planet and a true gift from God, The Universe, Existence!!!
Very interesting, Sally is such a professional and great host. Love Toby's comment about the dog that got me
What an absolute legend. I love them. The mic drops!
And Sally is so nice and trying so hard to understand. I love this.
I look nearly Identical to Toby, and My Mother and I were both born like Toby with Ovotesticular Disorder (True Hermaphroditism). I relate to Toby 100%
Jim Sinclair is AMAZING! I have so much respect. A brilliant person!
Toby, I saw this when it first aired. This was before the internet, and I know that you just wanted to be able to reach out, and not just have people understand, but, you wished to meet someone who was 'just like you.'
I admired you then, I NEVER stopped thinking about you (I recorded this, on my creaky VCR, back then, and made many watch.II always felt you were so well-adjusted, but, in a way, so isolated (NOT by your choice - I admired your openness).
The things you said then, have stuck with me (I first saw the Donahue interview).
I, too am a dog-lover, and, I prefer them to people. I appreciate how they don't judge you if you're young, old, rich, poor, male, female, they just want to be with you, be you friend. They DO love you - for YOU.
This isn't another gender It's another species, and it's so pure, so beautiful, if more people could only understand - it's NOT just dogs, but, we're all on this planet, together, and even though we may not speak the same languages, there ARE universals.
I always felt if we're ever thinking of communicating with extraterrestrials, we'd better first start here, with those around us.
I loved how eloquently you spoke, here, even when Sally was really tying to get an 'answer' from you.
I always wanted to just say 'hello,' and I KNOW you know there are many people who care about you, and who would love to be your friend.
+U.N. Owen Your comment is wonderful. Like you I saw this interview with Toby when it first aired and never forgot this fascinating and intelligent young person. I too hope Toby is alive and well and would love to say how much I appreciated and never forgot this terrific interview. It's wonderful to see this particular show again!
completely agree, i am in a similar boat with gender and its hard to live a life in this world, i can barely imagine what toby went through back then, does anybody know what hes doing now?
In Finland, in the language Finnish, 'he' or 'she' is the same word. Equality.
Toby's my hero.
Toby is pathetic and fucked up!
George Kosich No, sir, you are.
+George Kosich no, you are the one who is.
I'd like to find out where Toby is today because I can't find nothing online at all. What a bright person with such a fascinating way of viewing things
zi Real name is Jim sinclair, zi is a co founder of autism network international.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sinclair_(activist)
@@zeynepbilgi Links are allowed in the TH-cam comment sections again?
@@FutureGirl2033 I had no idea it wasn't allowed.
@@zeynepbilgi Yeah, it started at the end of 2019. If someone tried to include an external link in a reply, the reply would be “hidden”. Same for hashtags.
I love Toby … Toby crawled so this generation can walk
Toby was a loser then and Toby is a loser how (you too btw)
@@JJJJ-lz1vv Wump womp
5:37 - the glasses and hair; I live for it
I just found out that Toby prefers to be called "xe" instead of he/she, or "hir" instead of her/him
FutureGirl2033 Is there anything online about Toby? I can't find anything
@@Hopersz85 I only found an obscure article from an interview Toby gave to a newspaper back in the early 2000s.
I just watched a movie about an alien with three balls , " The Extra-Testicle ."
Toby is a beautiful soul. The lesson they were here to provide was to inform others & raise our level of acceptance & love as a collective species 💕 I hope they’ve continued to live a genuine & fulfilling life
although it was an enormous understatement, at least she admitted she was ignorant :D
+sinekonata Who are you referring to as being 'ignorant'? Toby ISN'T a he, nor a she (And, if you watch Toby, as I did, when it first aired, I found my own perception flipping constantly).
+U.N. Owen SineKonata is referring to Sally. :)
U.N. Owen the comment was not about Toby plz chill lol
I hope Toby is doing well now.
I wish I knew Toby I real life they seem so clever.
Where is Toby now?
He/she/it/they whatever pronoun I'm supposed to use seems like they've got it all figured out.
zi name is jim sinclair
zi is an autism activist and co founder of autism network international.
I want Toby to sing in my band.
I’m not Toby but I’m basically like them and I sing. There’s no small number of us building musical careers or bands now actually, it’s a very ceiling-breaking moment right now.
how could you ask someone if they think they're one of "god's mistakes"?
...
Move your jaw, mouth and lips.. and there usually something i think that is called "sound" when you make these vibrations..
and tounge
It was soo UGLY when everyone died at the end!!!
Wow you’re so witty and funny /s
She didnt mean to offend, though it is a bit provocative, not towards them but towards religion and our society bias. We constructed this strict model male and female world, it reflects in religion, even in god. They literally created us like so, then anything that's not is abnormal. A mistake. I remember that Spartan society used to throw their disabled children down a cliff. Unmarried women had to be despised in Victorian age, and homosexuals to hide.
Holy shit “if god makes mistakes who am I to fix them” Toby you are the fucking second coming of Christ! Your mind just blew my brain to pieces.
Sounds like toby is a genderqueer and asexual
Asexual yes, as stated. As to the term genderqueer, I'm fairly sure Toby would have preferred "genderless". As in "I don't care about gender" rather than making up new genders or claiming to be a queer person. It feels like Toby's thought is very much scientific and nihilistic, not very spiritual or creative as the term genderqueer would suggest.
@@sinekonataYour biases are clear.
@@dntskdnttll Bias towards/against what?
Normally, hermaphrodites from a chromosomal standpoint, turn out to be males with undeveloped sex organs. Given the deep tone of Toby's voice, and reluctance to reveal the chromosomal findings, this would seem to be whats occured here.
MarshiaMacy no hes just a dude playing a game nothing more complex then that, in fact complexity is what he's trying to do with all his im here but not here eye movements.
nawf gotjokes
You guys have a stalker-level obsession with other people’s genetics, huh? I wonder what other group also judged others on their genes.
Also you do realize that non-binary people have existed since the dawn of time, not to mention that God themself is non-binary, since we are all made in their image?
@@RaeIsGaee The Bible is quite clear that God is male.
@@RaeIsGaeeThe hilarious part is they are woefully ignorant of the science and realities of intersex people’s bodies. Shown clearly in every false statement and just underlined by their use of the word “hermaphrodite” which science has not used in a LONG time.
I can’t explain how grateful i am for toby.
Very inspiring.. as humans we have the freedom to live & want in our life.. I say be happy as everyday we have a choice to be happy as life is too short not to be.
Sincerely
Laura & guide Dog Rolf
good for you Toby! BE YOURSELF!!!!
this made me smile, as a nonbinary person. we have always been here.
Hang on, Toby is not a person "claiming to be genderless". Toby *is* genderless.
Yes, it sounds they were born intersex from the way doctors want to convince them to choose one or the other when they don't want to.
@@applesas942 This woke stuff is affecting politics. I wish the democrats would drop the subject. It is hurting the party.
Toby is too cute :)
Toby was saying that they didn't want to change who they were.
I also remember watching it, and, I'd be sitting there saying 'it looks/sounds like a feminine man,' but, within moments, I'd flip my thinking, and say to myself; 'it looks/sounds like a masculine woman.'
Toby was also on a DONAHUE around the same time as this.
I wonder if anyone has any info on Toby, as this was YEARS ago.
I hope all's well with Toby.
My favourite question: "How do you define romantic?"
I know I want to know.
That hair was some straight up, Off the chain, Mutherfuckin G shit! Sally knew she had it swaying the right way in the nineties.. she knew..
I remember seeing clips from this on Talk Soup roundabout 199x. I always remember that the first time I mentioned to my mother that I did not want to have a gender she derisively responded "do you want to be like TOBY?" I did not want to be like Toby! Not presentation-wise, anyway, but Toby and I otherwise had some perspectives in common.
I think Toby is cute and a decent human being.
you know this is like the old fashioned dr. Phil...
i y'all want to know more Toby's real name is Jim Sinclair and has a wiki.
The most interesting part of the comments (to me) is seeing people trying to construct pro-nouns to replace 'he/she,' there are some really creative ones
Wonder how Toby is today. They are awesome
this person DEFINITELY didn't want to be interviewed in any sort of way. just look at the choice of words this person gives to Sally. sounds and with a note of rudeness there.
No, I mean, Toby gave the answers with a such lifeless tone and you think he/she's not in the mood to reply it.
I didn't like when she said Toby seems like he was from Mars! Daaang how rude
Very interesting I must say,,,
Toby makes sense, Sally is a dope.
This person has my respect
sally jesse raphael show, september 1989.
I love this interview so much. I have the privilege of knowing Toby, and what a tremendous human being xe is. The pronoun Xe chose is Xe. Xe used to have a newsletter, FINDING OUR OWN WAYS, but it isn't being published now. This program is from 1988, I think.
Whatever happened to Toby? I remember seeing this show when it originally aired.
I find it strange that this person Toby is so outspoken on this show and then is never heard from again. No trace of this person online. Nobody seems to know who this is who are very close to this subject. That makes me think either he was putting on an act or the Sally Show was.
vcrcooking I read online that Toby has done works of art for the Transgender Community but, I can't find Toby at all let alone a last name. I need to find out more about this person
vcrcooking ~ That's possible because I once knew this man that appeared on Geraldo back in the '90s and nearly everything that came out of his mouth on that show was a lie. He was on with an older, non-passable transsexual that they were claiming were old Army buddies, or some such nonsense. However, he actually told me he always had a fascination with transsexuals and had even married one. He would hang out at drag shows in Dallas always lurking at them. On Geraldo, however, he acted like this was all a surprise to him and he'd never known a trans before his old buddy called up and said, "I have something I need to tell you. Surprise! I had a sex-change and now I'm a woman." I knew the whole thing was B.S. and I bet they only met a few weeks before the show, because this guy told me all the transgenders he knew were young and passable, none were middle-aged dads in drag like this person was.
I just read that Toby is activist Jim Sinclair. I'm not familiar with most of the communities involved so I am not sure if this is true.
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It’s not. Toby would be, at least, 60 years old now. They were on an obscure talk show that most likely flew under the radar long before the internet came about.
So really, few people knew about their existence, so the advent of the internet never really cataloged their actions afterwards. In a roundabout way, Toby is much like Henry Darger. Few people know of them, and even fewer know their personal lives.
I have heard of a Facebook account for Toby though, so they might’ve created an account a while ago. No idea where it is though.
Their real name is Jim Sinclair, and they basically founded the autism rights movement
This individual is remarkably wise, especially since "they" seem young in this video. I figured out why. They have Autism. I think it's a superpower. My boys and husband have it and are alot smarter than me.I believe it's an evolved type of human being. People think of Autism as a disorder, but it probably isn't.
I also believe that autism is an evolved type of human being. I wish we had an autistic world any time soon.
💁🏽♀️Toby is the most intelligent non binary person I’ve ever seen thus far. This person actually makes it make sense!!! Very interesting and genuine argument.🤓👍🏽💚
Literally me (except the aro part).
WOW! I wonder what this person is up to now in 2016, and what does this person think of today's society.
So it's possible Toby was Asexual? Or is there another definition
How about the neutral pronoun "e"? Not he, she, or it, but e?
Nice one :D
Better than they. Propose it on tumbler or whatever the authority on the movement is. I'll be using it from now on.
Because singular They has been in use for centuries, and was even commonly used in Shakespeare’s writings. Not to mention how “E” can be easily confused with he/she, while “it” is dehumanizing to most non-binary people.
was that Paris Hilton at 8:27??
Most awkward person ever.
ProudToBe AnAmerican and people would clap and cheer this freak on, but ask them to help feed somebody in need, in need not looking for a handout, and these people will look the other way, ahhh America
nawf gotjokes
People rejecting Eurocentric gender concepts are “freaks” to you bigots?
What a legend!
I love Toby, I'd have really liked to be their friend. They really remind me of the neuter character Yime Nsokyi in the sci-fi book Surface Detail.
Where is this person now? Does anyone have any sources about Toby today?
fair enough. I love my cat
Is your cat still alive? 🐱
i love them
Go Toby!
I love Toby
Wow see it was even a thing back then
Non-binary people have always existed. If you want another fantastic example, look up The Universal Friend. Their story is wonderful and quite wholesome for the time period.
Thank you Jim Sinclair ❤️
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I wonder if Toby was born intersex, which would explain the video.
go toby!
THIS IS AMAZING.
Toby and I are the same kind of creature!!
Very awkward body language and way of speaking. But I can assume it was an uncomfortable topic.
It's probably also because Toby (Jim) is autistic (and went on to do amazing advocacy in this area).
Damn, she understood she was ignorant 30 years ago.
Toby 2024. Vote for a neuter future. :)
If you love them don't change them.
Toby is my hero
im not rascist but shes the first frisk.
I really respect Toby. I hope Toby had a good life. Does anyone whatever happened to them?
DreamBelief shim succumbed to the aids man.
Socks with flip flops. .....nah don't do that ....then again it was 80s maybe it was ok then .......NOT 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sarah sankey It wasn't okay in the 80's either.
toby is a god
Toby is so cool. Shame on Sally for calling Toby "not right".
hahaaaaaa, I remember this. anyone who seems genderly ambiguous me and my brother call a "Toby" lmaooo
Does anyone know which year this is from??
Wow