The longines spirit is a watch I hated and misjudged until I held it by hand. It’s quality is insane. I bought it over the Tag Heur Carrera 5 and Tudor. Plus I love everything the Spirit stands for, I can somehow relate to it. It’s a new take for longines, modern new design with vintage elements with their chronometer precision, it’s their new definition of perfection. The watch easily rivals watches at far higher price points. The dial and case has soo much more dimension and details. The only thing that disappoints me about the Spirit is No open case back. I think that’s where IWC does better. Longines is doing great things today !
I was extremely surprised as well as a previous owner of the IWC Pilot Mark Series and also when I had the Longines Spirit in hand, it just blew my expectations away. On video and pictures the quality isn’t as apparent, but in hand is a totally different feeling
Still underrated IMHO. Just doing this video has put me in the crosshairs of so many people who disagree - and with some people not even watching my video and listening to my points. I didn’t know there were so many trolls and angry comments from an opinionated video…
Thanks for the brilliant review and I totally agree with you, it would be the Longines for me, especially as I consider IWC grossly overpriced for what they are,
Love both watches for their own reason. The new Spirit line actually hints to me of the old IWC spitfires. If a military style pilot watch of the bhur style is what you want, then you 100% don't want to get this. Comparing the two is a little unfair in many grounds, because you are stuck with say...'for the money, it's this, for the money it's that'. Both watches and both brands have plenty of merit, a seasoned collector will celebrate both.
Agree - however the reality is price is a really big factor in most people purchases and I believe the longines here is a great alternative. But yes in a world where money and value is not a factor then you can go for both in the collection.
Bought this is a blue dial. Superb value watch for the price design heritage etc. Even though could afford the IWC . Also you FORGOT to mention. This has 100 metres water resistance compared to IWC 50 metres. Big point for me.
The new Mark XX now has 100m water resistance so it’s on par with the Longines. The older Mark 18 only had 60m which was kinda bad… wouldn’t even want to get it wet at all!
Thanks for the detailed review! I am considering to add a Longines of the Spirit series to my collection soon, particularly the chronograph. I already own 2 Longines (Hyrdoconquest and Conquest Chrono) plus Longines was my first quality watch that I bought with my own hard earned money at the age of 16 back in 1976. I wish I still had that manual wind chronograph! Anyway, just a couple of comments about Longines… Unfortunately they have too many models to choose from which makes it too difficult to decide when buying. Secondly, they do not hold value like an IWC, Omega, Rolex etc but on the pus side they can usually be found at considerable discounts unlike the brands mentioned, which makes them an even better value in that respect. Finally…Serviceability. I am currently having a an automatic Hydroconquest serviced by Longines and the cost is considerably less ($135) compared to a basic service of the other brands mentioned which typically run $300-500. All that makes Longines very affordable. Thanks again for your review!
the 37mm version fixes the date wheel placement problem. great pointers you had, they are spot on. I was having the same thoughts as you but i never had the chance to put it into a video.
The Longines looks really nice (apart from the stars) and offers a lot of value for money. However, IWC Mark XX plays in a different league, not only price and prestige, but also in quality finishing. Moreover, IWC Mark XX looks less playful, more professional and maybe even boring compared to the Longines. However, I love the Mark XX and your video made me immediately put it on my wrist again…
@@twosecondswatch I was debating with myself to either get the Mark XX or the Breitling Premier with the B01 movement. Since I didn’t own a chronograph I went with the Breitling. Also the Mark XX is very plain and I have a number of watches that fill the roll of the Mark XX.
@@rickjason215 thanks for sharing! Would love to try out the Breitling B01 Chronograph, looks like an awesome watch. However I think the case size is quite large, probably too large for my small 6 inch wrist. 😎
An overpriced and overrated “tool watch”. At US$ 6000+, of the top of my head, there a list of Omegas, GS, Breitling, Zenith and OP’s (yes, even at mark ups) that are overall better. And JLC before the hike this year, but if talking about hike, then IWC can share its perspective. Heck I would even some Sinn. But taste is individualized and watches are nothing more than jewelry for men. So wear what you like, but if talking about leagues, then IWC is out of its depths with those lineup.
Since I have accumulated to many Rolex, omega and grand seiko… but lacking in a nice pilot watch, I am very tempted by the Mark XX… either that or longines but for some reason the mark xx in person is something else, even though objectively as this video had pointed out there longines is theoretically the better buy. Basically, I am conflicted
Although I’m also a huge fan of IWC, I just can’t justify the higher price over the Spirit 37. Just made a down payment and picking mine up next week 😋
I am glad you called IWC out for only putting the lume at the 3/6/9/12 positions, especially when it's all around on the Big Pilot 43. I think the IWC has its place, and the bracelet looks really nice (haven't had a chance to try the bracelet model on). You just get a lot more value for your money with the Spirit. I know the IWC is built well and that new movement is finally worthy of the price point, but it really just looks a lot like something I could get from Stowa or Laco that also have great history. The Spirit is kind of this great combination of a pilot and field watch at the same time that I really like, plus the applied numerals and little details like the diamond markers lining up with the diamond on the second hand make it really nice. The 37mm gets rid of the date issue IMO, but the titanium model also completely removes that from the equation.
Yes! Thanks for sharing and your detailed analysis and opinion. I don’t understand why no one else seems to be bothered about the lume being 3/6/9/12, when all the other flieger type watches can lume it all completely. Is it a heritage reason (due to the mark 11) or is it just a cost saving measure? I understand the mark 11,12 having the crosshair lume due to the design, but you can clearly see that the current mark XX no looks anything like the Mark 11 and 12 - hence all numerals should be lumed!
I was going to buy the IWC. The 5 day power reserve intrigued me. I like to change watches and hate setting the time and date. The reason I didn’t pull the trigger is IWC wants $1000 plus for a bracelet. Ridiculous. I can get the Mark XX for about $4750 on a strap. Dealers want around $6,000 for the exact same watch on a bracelet.
Thanks for the info. I wasn’t aware that model had full lume, if it does then perhaps they want to tie it to the previous design language of the Mark 12 which has a crosshair dial design. Problem is: this watch doesn’t have the crosshair design… does it? It’s kinda a loss to me
That’s quite a lot isn’t it? Maybe you can try to wait it out on the pre-owned market for it, will be much cheaper I’m sure. But hey yeah agree $1,000 for the bracelet is just daylight robbery.
Not everyone has a chance to handle both watches, which is why videos are quite helpful in helping someone make a decision as it’s a massive purchase. 😬 Hope this video helps others who are in the lookout for such a flieger type watch.
The Val Fleurier movement used in both the IWC Mark XX and Ingenieur has a small flaw. When you pull out the crown to hack, the minute hand jumps a full 3~4mins. Something I cannot accept for a watch in these price range. Probably the reason why Panerai remove the hacking feature from the same Val Fleurier movement used in their P.900 calibre.
My IWC MkXX was defective for the jumping minute hand, defective date wheel that changed dates randomly, and it kept wildly inaccurate time. It is back at the AD under warranty. But I lost confidence in the company as others have noted defects in the movement. The shill media grossly misrepresented the quality of the IWC Mk XX.
Today I ordered the Longines Spirit. I've watched countless videos over the last few weeks. For me, however, it was a choice between the Longines Spirit and the Tudor Ranger. Ok, the Ranger is not a classic pilot's watch, but here too I asked myself, is it justified that the Tudor Ranger is almost 1000€ more expensive? Definitely not. Your video was a deciding factor in purchasing the Spirit. I'm looking forward to the watch.
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You make some solid points and as much as I love the Spirit the long lug to lug make it an awkward looking watch on the wrist. If they get the lug to lug down the sure, it would be better but as it is I would prefer the Mark XX.
Yes the long lugs do make it wear a little larger on a smaller wrist. However the actual impact is not that bad on a leather strap, I know it looks a little long on my 6 inch wrist, but honestly it wears very well and I never had any issues even with a long sleeved shirt. It can slide underneath a cuff still. Of course there is a 37mm option which fixes the lugs problem for smaller wrists.
Nice watch. The IWC has a 120 hour power reserve. The reality is the dials are similar, maybe the Longines is slightly nicer. The movements don’t compare, IWC is far superior, plus IWC gives you an 8 year warranty. When your watch stops working after 5 or 6 years, that warranty is gold.
@@Ordinaryjoe326 Double the power reserve, backed by a far better warranty. They aren’t giving 8 years to be nice guys. They give 8 years because they know few watches will break in that time period. Longines uses off the shelf ETA, while the IWC makes their own movements. I don’t own either watch. I like them both and Longines gives a lot of watch for the money, but the IWC is considered a higher level brand by most watch geeks.
To be honest, ETA movements are very much as reliable or more reliable than in house movements. They are workhorse movements. In any case both these watches have only 1 complication which is a date, so I think reliability should be comparable. Don’t discount a reliable off the shelf movement. They are not inferior in any way!
I must say the IWC Pilot is a very well made watch indeed. They make nice watches, however I do think their real Pilot watch is the Big Pilot 43 - which is the proper Pilot watch
@@twosecondswatch 43 and 46, for sure. They are incredibly well-made, and it's obvious in the hand and when you operate them. So I doubt the OP's original comment. Their quality is undeniable in the flesh.
In my experience owning and handling IWC Pilot watches, I can confidently say their Pilot series are very very well made, and quite flawless in case construction, finishing and overall feel. You do have the sense of a well made watch. That’s why when I look at the date window I can’t help but be disappointed. If you like the IWC brand, go for the Big Pilot 43 instead!
The Longines may have everything going for it on paper, but for me the IWC is a more iconic design with a genuine pedigree and more professional (some would say "boring") design and presentation. But still the Longines packs a massive punch and is a terrific deal for for the price. Kudos to Longines for that!
IWC mk XX - amazing design, the best bracelet at its pricepoint. But the placement of the datewindow still not at the right place is unforgivable. Longines is and has been underrated for a long time, but i think thats slowly about to change. Ive owned several IWC’s, rolexes, AP’s, vacheron etc etc but never found anything with a better price/quality ratio than longines. The fact that you get more for youre money does not make it less of a quality piece.
Thanks for sharing. Agree the bracelet is amazing indeed, should be the gold standard! Longines is still doing very strong based on their current positioning in the Swiss industry and really killing it with their new releases. They are listening to their customers, just like Hamilton
The Spirit is a great watch. The IWC is a great watch also, but for that kind of money, I could find more compelling options, it’s just that simple. That said, the IWC would likely fit you better. That Spirit is too large for you in terms of lug to lug. Doesn’t mean you can’t conceal it as mentioned in the comments, but dropping a couple grand on a watch, it could be the finest watch in the world, If the fit isn’t spot on, it’s a no go. Longines, from about 1800-3200 bucks, they are among the best. The long lugs contribute to the look of that watch no doubt, but in terms of fit, they undermine that process for a lot of people.
I dont understand how a comparative review can be made if the reviewer hasnt handled both watches? It's just off that he's comparing a watch he's handling to something based on specs and online information.
I have handled and sold a similar watch which is the IWC Mark Tribute to Mark XII Limited Edition series. It is the predecessor to the Mark XX and very similar. You can also read a detailed review on our website (no video unfortunately) for your reference.
Imagine trying to explain that you paid $3k on this watch to a non-watch geek, or to someone who just purchased an IWC. Yikes! You’ll be stumbling over your words trying to explain the stars and longines rich history. Then you’ll feel like a dolt.
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Some really good points. Big fan of the Spirit but as an IWC Mark 18 owner, I have to disagree on "better finish". Better value yes. Better movement, probably? I will probably want to own the spirit at some point in the future :)
Thanks for sharing! The mark 18 is a great watch as well, however I think the pricing was probably much cheaper when you acquired it. The new RRP for the Mark XX is a shocking increase isn’t it?
And the winner is ....... Hamilton Khaki Murph. Just kidding. I currently own the 38mm Hamilton but am tempted by the 37mm Longines. Perhaps you could do a comparison of these 2 some time.
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I own a Longines Bigeye in steel. Circa 2019. The GPHG winning variant. Genuinely love it. However, I think when it comes to these two I’d take the IWC mark XX. It’s a significantly better watch than the spirit. However, the spirit is a great watch for its price point. No doubt!
Thanks for sharing! Would love to handle the Big Eye, it is such an awesome watch. It is one of the best chronographs at the price range in my opinion.
Long jeans! Thats how most Singaporean shouts out it as. Nothing wrong with pronouncing it from a local standpoint. He does not sound fake. Keep it up👍 Would like to see more reviews mid priced luxury watches from your channel. But keep in mind, that since comparisons are made between 2 watches, always be reminded to repeat that these reviews are in your own personal opinion and preference.
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Now that is an interesting one… I’ve always personally liked the Oris Big Crown Date design… this is a tough one until I can do a hand on with the Oris! 😄
@@twosecondswatch I was tossing up between the two for a few weeks. I ended up going with the Longines. I also love the design of the Oris, but when I held the Oris in the hand it felt less substantial compared to the Longines (weight, quality of the materials, feel in the hand/wrist). I feel the Oris should be a little lower in price than what they are being sold for, then I would definitely consider it.
@@01rai01 Yes Oris prices have been creeping up a lot in the last few years. They used to be priced around Hamilton watches range and competing in that segment, but it seems their strategy is to now charge much more and go upmarket. Not so sure if their newer watches are as well made (I have handled some before including a review of the Oris Diver 65 which you can watch here th-cam.com/video/tlKYEt-Ak5k/w-d-xo.html). I do personally feel the Big Crown Date Pointer is priced a little too high at retail. But it is an iconic design of Oris with heritage to match. 😀 In any case most important is the watch that resonates with you and not my opinion even... 😚
Good entry level premium watch. COSC, 70 hours power reserve and 5 years warranty. The blue and lume really pops. A bargain at $3K. IWC at least 3x the cost and you are reaching Oyster or even Pepsi.
I have both, I honestly think the spirit looks so much better, IWC is really getting old, even the new watches from them give off OLD vibe, I understand they want to maintain the iconic look but IWC is basically feeding on it, like come on, just create something new
Yes exactly! They need to innovate, can’t just keep recycling an old design. That’s where I find the Longines is actually doing that! Just compare the dial side by side and you can see very clearly the innovation. Longines did a stunning design and a class above the standard flieger designs.
I had both but but a mark 18 instead, the longines was sold as soon as a I got the iwc, iwc is in a different league. Longines design was not the best, to many stars and diamonds on the dial. Iwc designs are classic a bit like Rolex, they can't make big changes otherwise you won't recognise that it's an iwc
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I agree the Spirit is very good, and the price/value ratio is much better than the Mark XX's. But I strongly disagree with the verdict on the movement. Saying that a 3.5 Hz movement with 72 hours power reserve is better than a 4 Hz movement with 120 hours, just because it's chronometer certified... it's just far-fetched. The higher frequency has a nice benefit esthetically, while the power reserves has a nice benefit practically in day-to-day life. On the other hand, a few seconds (theoretical) difference in accuracy has basically zero consequence in real life - other than in your mind.
I guess saying any movement is better than another is extremely subjective as the real life difference will not really be known by the buyer unless they are really into watches and bother about that.
My gripe with the IWC is that it is what I call a "Disney watch", a retro design that resembles no historical watch at all. It is a bastard of WWII Luftwaffe B-Uhr design elements randomly mixed with post-war RAF watch details: The 12 o'clock marker, dagger hands, chunky strap are from the Nazi watch, the cross-shape lume pattern and crown are from the RAF Mark 11, the ostentatious 40 mm size matches neither, the childish back engraving of a Junkers 52 reminds of Pagani Design. There is nothing wrong with that and the result looks kind of fashionable - it is just something I would not pay more for than say $500 (the price of any fashion watch or a Seiko). To me the Longines is the more honest, more reasonable watch AND it is available in 37 mm which is the ideal size for an average 175 mm wrist and a modern mid-century-style three-hander. The new Hamilton Murph 38 looks even cleaner though at under $1000. To me Longines is a respectable brand, not a fashion watch brand like IWC has become.
Thanks for sharing your very detailed viewpoints! Agree that the Hamilton is a great watch for that price range as well. Hope to handle one for a review soon.
A B-Uhr is 1 of the most popular watch designs around . IWC was 1 of the brands which did make those in WW2 if i am correct and making a adaption to present time does not make it bad . Want it closer to the original , choose Laco . Want a more classic approach but with the history , Stowa would be nice . Want just a nice B-Uhr , imho Steinhart would be the one. However , pure value wise ,IWC got the name and no matter how you feel or think about it , that is what it is . Why is a Rolex supposed to be worth more then Omega ? Because of the name , advertising the right people/product . In back to this topic , Longines made a killer watch , and besides this 1 they also got a Hydroconquest which is also very good VFM. They are doing spectacular things lately at Longines .
@@sergesmets5685 I do believe Longines is on a roll with their latest releases - just look at the new Zulu time! And agree on all your points on Laco, Stowa… Thanks for sharing! I don’t think people here really know or understand the derivative IWC design actually originated from the B-Uhr designs which were shared by those other watchmakers - they just think it’s IWC who came out with the design style - they didn’t !
I disagree, I've owned a Longines spirit 40mm and currently own an iwc mark 18. The iwc is better in every way, especially from a design perspective, no other pilots watch comes close to iwc. The ar coating on the iwc is much better, it has better case finishing, iron inner case, glass displacement protection, better strap, 28k movement so a smoother sweep, better case back, it's just a more luxurious product, brand prestige. For the money the Longines is really good, they need to get rid of the stars and the diamond hour markers as I feel like there is to much going on. The mark 20 is a lot better than the 18.
Agree with you they are better - however the Longines is comparatively as good as if not superior in dial execution and luxury finishes. I mean for its price, my argument is it’s not the better watch - I do think the IWC Big Pilot 43 is the watch to go for instead of the Mark Series. To me the last best Mark Series was the Mark 15
@@twosecondswatch the dial is nice on the Longines but again if you want the pilot look, the iwc design suits and fits the pilot look better. The finishing is better on the iwc, the bevels and polishing looks more premium. The longines is great for the money. Agree the big pilot 43 is much better if you can pull it off.
@@twosecondswatch Quite a poor argument all round. The Mark xx is fantastic you have to own one to understand. The Longines lacks something and the stars are awful. I’ve tried to like it but….No. I think you may be hating just a little!
@@Youy0u3010I think you need to handle them side by side to see how close they are in terms of finishing quality. It’s not that IWC is not good, it’s way overpriced for what you get. 😊
The diminishing returns of the IWC Mark XX as compared to the Longines Spirit is evident. However, I disagree with you on the movement. Longines had to reduce the frequency to achieve 72 hours just like how Tissot reduced the frequency to achieve 80 hours on their Powermatic 80 Silicium movement. IWC has achieved a staggering 120 hours WITHOUT any reduction in frequency. Those well versed in watch movements would understand why a higher frequency is desirable for accuracy (the higher frequency means it can correct itself faster in case of any irregular behaviour), think Grand Seiko High Beat, Zenith movements. COSC Chronometer Certifications aren't everything especially when a sacrifice has to be made. Long story short, you're getting what you paid for, the Spirit has a good movement but the IWC has BETTER one.
Yes, I do agree that the movement beat rate has been slowed down for the Longines Spirit watch. There is significant improvements to the Mark XX and the increase of power reserve to 120 hours. However, I find that 120 hours power reserve is excessive and serves no real purpose. Honestly most people won't even notice 21,600 beat rate vs 28,800 anyway. They will however, notice if its keeping good time or not. :)
@@twosecondswatch Valid point, most people will not notice the difference between 21,600 beat rate vs 28,800 UNLESS they look closely at the seconds hand (especially those obsessed with smooth sweeping seconds hand). As I said previously, a high frequency also helps a movement keep good time. An analogy mentioned in a recent video on Teddy Baldassare's channel, is, if a top is spinning slowly on a table and you slam the table, it is likely the top will tip over, however a top spinning quickly can correct itself and continue spinning.
Sorry, but it doesn’t even come close to the XX. I find the Longines obvious and vulgar. Trying to be what it is not: a luxury watch. If shopping for a real Flieger with top notch quality finish I would go for a Laco Pro without hesitation
It’s just my opinion! But let’s be honest, all watches are technically luxury watches in some form… I mean why do we still need anything that tells time on our wrists that costs more than $100 when our phones can tell time today? In another note I think Laco watches deserve more attention for the value they give, however I haven’t handled the Laco Pro in person, only their entry model Fliegers.
I respectfully disagree. The IWC Mark XX is a very high-quality watch and better than this Longines, which, I acknowledge is a good watch. However, the IWC is superior in my view.
Thanks for sharing! The IWC Mark XX is a good watch, but if you can my suggestion is to go for the Big Pilot 43 instead. It is the real pilot watch IMHO.
Iwc is a nice watch, but its such bad value for money, compared to the longines spirit, iwc basically uses the same base movement, isnt cosc, doenst have lumed numerals, has an aweful date window.
Yeah the lug to lug is pretty long, much like the previous generation mark 17-18 series. However I actually like the longer lug to lug design for this watch. I think if it’s too short it will lose some of the design of the watch. However I must say that the 37mm actually wears more like a 39mm
The Longines Spirit watch I have in the review is 40mm, which is the same size as the IWC Mark XX. The 37mm models date window is at the 6 o’clock position.
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The Longines is the type of watch I like but it costs more than I want to spend on one. I would suggest that the design is not that original with the basic look shared with the other 11 brands of military watches of the dirty dozen or the later G10.
In all honesty I think most flieger type watches are in some way derivative and shared with the military watches of the dirty dozen or the G10. They have now become a design language of sort?
Nice watch but you are essentially trying to justify the watch because you couldn’t afford the iwc. You can’t compare the quality of the watch to a picture of the other watch. You just waffle on as well. Get to the point man.
Hi, actually I have handled both watches, just not on the video at the same time. You can check out our detailed review of the IWC Mark VIII Tribute to Mark 11 limited edition which is very similar to the Mark XX. It was sold on our website. 😁
I Do not think so, the only thing that IWC is superior is on price, apart of that I stick with Longines. There are people that are clearly more interested in the brand than in the pure watch functionalities.
@@giusepperuffini4001 have you compared both watches, side by side. I have owned both and the iwc is better in every way. The fit and finish, ar coating, case, caseback, leather, movement, bracelet on the iwc is better as well as brand prestige. Name me the things that are better on the Longines?
@@coffeeboyclips1973 Actually I had the IWC and personally I have not seen all differences that you mention, the only thing different between the two watches is the price level. I think that qualify a "better" brand just for the price positioning is a little limitative. I would add also that IWC does not retain much value in the secondary market, similar to Longines but at least the second one is not so expensive.
@@giusepperuffini4001 I don't believe you had the iwc, you wouldn't be buying a longines if you had an iwc, the main reason the iwc is better for me is design, the Longines dial has too much going on, with the stars and diamonds, the iwc looks like a proper pilots watch, it's the number one pilot watch maker.
The dial on the longines is beautiful and stands on its own, but they ruined it with that terrible handset. Leaf style hands would have been a knockout.
IWC vs Longines is like Mercedes vs Hyundai. IWC is high horology. Longines is barely entry luxury. IWC you can re-sell to any watch dealer, try and sell a Longines their going to smirk at you.
In both cases of the watches, you lose a lot when you sell the watch dealers. However do take note that in the first place the pricing of the watches are in different categories. IWC is not high horology in my opinion, perhaps brands like Patek, Vacheron, Lange are in that category.
I’m sure most collectors actually can afford both, I’m not saying IWC watches are not good, but from a head to head with their pilot mark xx, it really isn’t that great vs this watch. I do agree their Pilot 43 is very good indeed. In fact the older Mark series such as Mark 15 we’re in my opinion a much better watch.
Please READ 👇🏻before commenting! Hi everyone and thanks for watching the video and supporting the channel! Do subscribe as it helps me create more watch content! Since publishing this video I notice that there has been a lot of hate, and sometimes very strong opinions against this video. Let me clarify, I do not have anything against IWC the brand in general. My strong opinions is also because I love the IWC Mark series. I have owned IWC in the past and we also have sold the IWC Pilot Tribute to Mark 11 (which is based on the Mark 18) on our website. I have done a comprehensive written review on that watch which can be found on our website. If you like the IWC Pilot Mark XX, go for it! If you watch my video my arguments are mostly how IWC positions this watch model and how I feel the real winner and Pilot watch from IWC is no longer the Mark series but instead the Big Pilot 43. I feel the current generation Mark XX has lost its meaning/design compared to previous generations (which have the crosshair design) and is now being surpassed by newer and more creative designs - such as this Longines Spirit. To me if IWC re releases this watch with more design akin to the the crosshair one with modern updates - it would be much better - and at least make everything lumed. Comparatively the Longines Spirit has so many things to like about it and is a strong alternative contender if you’re looking for that kind of watch. In the end of the day, get the watch that speaks the most to you - and if budget permits, get both these watches. 😊
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Which is why in my opinion, it’s not true in house but rather in group. Technically it’s a shared movement between the same group of companies connected via a holding company. Having said that, IWC does have a develop their true in house movements, you just can’t find it in the mark xx - but you can in the big pilot.
Even though on paper it feels long/big, in real life wearing experience you don’t feel it on the wrist due to the curve of the lugs. The proportions are perfect in my opinion and on a strap it’s even less pronounced.
To me the 5 stars ⭐️ is what sets it apart from the other brands. It’s a little like the omega constellation series with their stars on the caseback, but this is on the dial. It does have historical reference though as I shared in the video.
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I bought the blue dialled version but it’s 100% going back. Although I really like this watch it has a number of fatal flaws. The movement. The rotor is both noisy and tinny cheap sounding. The COSC certificate seems to be a stretch since mine was running at +9s/day on a full daily wind. The case finishing looks good to the naked eye but break out a x10 loupe - the lug finishing on one end was fine but on the other it looked like someone had taken a metal nail file to the lug ends and filed off the metal surface in three planes. Ugly cheap and nasty finishing. The buckle on the strap had three small dings on it. All of this on a brand new watch just a joke. I’d also say the Longines 40mm wears more like a 38 or 39 at a push - more like a ladies size piece. Overall if you don’t have an eye for detail and willing to spend a couple of grand on a watch that doesn’t even keep time that well, despite the COSC chronometer claims and certificate which appears meaningless marketing, go ahead. But if you’re a watch purist like myself and like things to be high quality and engineered to perfection look elsewhere. Longines comes up short at a not inexpensive price tag. Better than IWC - c’mon man who are you kidding?
Goodness both watches look amazing, I feel like the longings just took the Hamilton Khaki case and Put a different dial and Cosc movement. If I was buying one at retail I’d go with IWC. I wish both would use the 24hr numbers like the Hamilton does
Sometimes, its the minor details that make the difference. Both these watches are military inspired in some sense so I suppose the will look very similar.
@@twosecondswatch You really are utterly clueless. If you think that the finishing and dials are equal on these two brands then you are just totally and completely ignorant. Also, try comparing a longines bracelet to a IWC bracelet. They are leagues apart.
@@whereRbearsTeeth I suppose I am… since all I do is dabble in a watch hobby debating about such things… 🙈 Just enjoy the watch hobby and chill dude. Btw, thanks for supporting the channel, if you have any watch needs we sell watches and straps on our website too, just hop in there and mention your name, I’ll give you a special discount. 😀
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The longines spirit is a watch I hated and misjudged until I held it by hand. It’s quality is insane. I bought it over the Tag Heur Carrera 5 and Tudor. Plus I love everything the Spirit stands for, I can somehow relate to it. It’s a new take for longines, modern new design with vintage elements with their chronometer precision, it’s their new definition of perfection. The watch easily rivals watches at far higher price points. The dial and case has soo much more dimension and details. The only thing that disappoints me about the Spirit is No open case back. I think that’s where IWC does better. Longines is doing great things today !
I was extremely surprised as well as a previous owner of the IWC Pilot Mark Series and also when I had the Longines Spirit in hand, it just blew my expectations away. On video and pictures the quality isn’t as apparent, but in hand is a totally different feeling
Yup fully agree with you points dude, they'd need to drop the price of the iwc by a few grand before i'd consider it 😜😜😜
My titanium spirit is one of my absolute favourite watches. Love seeing Longines get some more showtime these last couple of years
Still underrated IMHO. Just doing this video has put me in the crosshairs of so many people who disagree - and with some people not even watching my video and listening to my points. I didn’t know there were so many trolls and angry comments from an opinionated video…
It is true pilot watch, because has no date.
Thanks for the brilliant review and I totally agree with you, it would be the Longines for me, especially as I consider IWC grossly overpriced for what they are,
Thanks for sharing! I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
I like the IWC design much more, but IWC is way too expensive for what they deliver.
Love both watches for their own reason. The new Spirit line actually hints to me of the old IWC spitfires. If a military style pilot watch of the bhur style is what you want, then you 100% don't want to get this. Comparing the two is a little unfair in many grounds, because you are stuck with say...'for the money, it's this, for the money it's that'. Both watches and both brands have plenty of merit, a seasoned collector will celebrate both.
Agree - however the reality is price is a really big factor in most people purchases and I believe the longines here is a great alternative. But yes in a world where money and value is not a factor then you can go for both in the collection.
Bought this is a blue dial. Superb value watch for the price design heritage etc. Even though could afford the IWC . Also you FORGOT to mention. This has 100 metres water resistance compared to IWC 50 metres. Big point for me.
Iwc has 100 metres 😄
The new Mark XX now has 100m water resistance so it’s on par with the Longines. The older Mark 18 only had 60m which was kinda bad… wouldn’t even want to get it wet at all!
Thanks for the detailed review! I am considering to add a Longines of the Spirit series to my collection soon, particularly the chronograph. I already own 2 Longines (Hyrdoconquest and Conquest Chrono) plus Longines was my first quality watch that I bought with my own hard earned money at the age of 16 back in 1976. I wish I still had that manual wind chronograph! Anyway, just a couple of comments about Longines… Unfortunately they have too many models to choose from which makes it too difficult to decide when buying. Secondly, they do not hold value like an IWC, Omega, Rolex etc but on the pus side they can usually be found at considerable discounts unlike the brands mentioned, which makes them an even better value in that respect. Finally…Serviceability. I am currently having a an automatic Hydroconquest serviced by Longines and the cost is considerably less ($135) compared to a basic service of the other brands mentioned which typically run $300-500.
All that makes Longines very affordable. Thanks again for your review!
Thank you for sharing you detailed thoughts and comments. Yes they are awesome value in the pre owned market
the 37mm version fixes the date wheel placement problem. great pointers you had, they are spot on. I was having the same thoughts as you but i never had the chance to put it into a video.
Thanks for your encouragement!
The Longines looks really nice (apart from the stars) and offers a lot of value for money. However, IWC Mark XX plays in a different league, not only price and prestige, but also in quality finishing. Moreover, IWC Mark XX looks less playful, more professional and maybe even boring compared to the Longines. However, I love the Mark XX and your video made me immediately put it on my wrist again…
Fair enough, I do suppose it looks more... 'mature'... or 'sterile'. Glad you enjoyed your Mark XX, it is a great watch indeed!
@@twosecondswatch I was debating with myself to either get the Mark XX or the Breitling Premier with the B01 movement. Since I didn’t own a chronograph I went with the Breitling. Also the Mark XX is very plain and I have a number of watches that fill the roll of the Mark XX.
@@rickjason215 thanks for sharing! Would love to try out the Breitling B01 Chronograph, looks like an awesome watch. However I think the case size is quite large, probably too large for my small 6 inch wrist. 😎
An overpriced and overrated “tool watch”.
At US$ 6000+, of the top of my head, there a list of Omegas, GS, Breitling, Zenith and OP’s (yes, even at mark ups) that are overall better. And JLC before the hike this year, but if talking about hike, then IWC can share its perspective. Heck I would even some Sinn.
But taste is individualized and watches are nothing more than jewelry for men.
So wear what you like, but if talking about leagues, then IWC is out of its depths with those lineup.
Since I have accumulated to many Rolex, omega and grand seiko… but lacking in a nice pilot watch, I am very tempted by the Mark XX… either that or longines but for some reason the mark xx in person is something else, even though objectively as this video had pointed out there longines is theoretically the better buy. Basically, I am conflicted
I would go for the spirit 37 over these two. IWC never did much for me beyond heritage..although longines excels at that too.
Although I’m also a huge fan of IWC, I just can’t justify the higher price over the Spirit 37. Just made a down payment and picking mine up next week 😋
@@vincenttadealao682 congrats! What a great looking watch!
@@Not-a-bot222 thank you 🙏🏽
I am glad you called IWC out for only putting the lume at the 3/6/9/12 positions, especially when it's all around on the Big Pilot 43. I think the IWC has its place, and the bracelet looks really nice (haven't had a chance to try the bracelet model on). You just get a lot more value for your money with the Spirit. I know the IWC is built well and that new movement is finally worthy of the price point, but it really just looks a lot like something I could get from Stowa or Laco that also have great history. The Spirit is kind of this great combination of a pilot and field watch at the same time that I really like, plus the applied numerals and little details like the diamond markers lining up with the diamond on the second hand make it really nice. The 37mm gets rid of the date issue IMO, but the titanium model also completely removes that from the equation.
Yes! Thanks for sharing and your detailed analysis and opinion. I don’t understand why no one else seems to be bothered about the lume being 3/6/9/12, when all the other flieger type watches can lume it all completely. Is it a heritage reason (due to the mark 11) or is it just a cost saving measure? I understand the mark 11,12 having the crosshair lume due to the design, but you can clearly see that the current mark XX no looks anything like the Mark 11 and 12 - hence all numerals should be lumed!
@@twosecondswatch the Mark XVIII heritage has full lume and looks great lumed - no idea why the other Marks don't.
I was going to buy the IWC. The 5 day power reserve intrigued me. I like to change watches and hate setting the time and date. The reason I didn’t pull the trigger is IWC wants $1000 plus for a bracelet. Ridiculous. I can get the Mark XX for about $4750 on a strap. Dealers want around $6,000 for the exact same watch on a bracelet.
Thanks for the info. I wasn’t aware that model had full lume, if it does then perhaps they want to tie it to the previous design language of the Mark 12 which has a crosshair dial design. Problem is: this watch doesn’t have the crosshair design… does it? It’s kinda a loss to me
That’s quite a lot isn’t it? Maybe you can try to wait it out on the pre-owned market for it, will be much cheaper I’m sure. But hey yeah agree $1,000 for the bracelet is just daylight robbery.
Nice watch! I dont agree with your points but get the watch that makes u happiest i guess. Id get both in hand before making “on paper” comparisons.
Not everyone has a chance to handle both watches, which is why videos are quite helpful in helping someone make a decision as it’s a massive purchase. 😬 Hope this video helps others who are in the lookout for such a flieger type watch.
The Val Fleurier movement used in both the IWC Mark XX and Ingenieur has a small flaw. When you pull out the crown to hack, the minute hand jumps a full 3~4mins. Something I cannot accept for a watch in these price range. Probably the reason why Panerai remove the hacking feature from the same Val Fleurier movement used in their P.900 calibre.
So it is true after all… thanks for sharing. Interesting information indeed.
My IWC MkXX was defective for the jumping minute hand, defective date wheel that changed dates randomly, and it kept wildly inaccurate time. It is back at the AD under warranty. But I lost confidence in the company as others have noted defects in the movement. The shill media grossly misrepresented the quality of the IWC Mk XX.
Today I ordered the Longines Spirit. I've watched countless videos over the last few weeks. For me, however, it was a choice between the Longines Spirit and the Tudor Ranger. Ok, the Ranger is not a classic pilot's watch, but here too I asked myself, is it justified that the Tudor Ranger is almost 1000€ more expensive? Definitely not. Your video was a deciding factor in purchasing the Spirit. I'm looking forward to the watch.
@ukendaddy1648 Very happy to know that my video was able to help you make that decision! Enjoy the watch! We have this watch for sale on our website if you’re interested. Drop me an email
Your points are spot on good work
Longines make an amazing timepiece, and at times is underrated. Beautiful piece.
It really is!
You make some solid points and as much as I love the Spirit the long lug to lug make it an awkward looking watch on the wrist. If they get the lug to lug down the sure, it would be better but as it is I would prefer the Mark XX.
Yes the long lugs do make it wear a little larger on a smaller wrist. However the actual impact is not that bad on a leather strap, I know it looks a little long on my 6 inch wrist, but honestly it wears very well and I never had any issues even with a long sleeved shirt. It can slide underneath a cuff still. Of course there is a 37mm option which fixes the lugs problem for smaller wrists.
You are absolutely right,..this is much better than IWC.
Thank you 😊
Nice watch. The IWC has a 120 hour power reserve. The reality is the dials are similar, maybe the Longines is slightly nicer. The movements don’t compare, IWC is far superior, plus IWC gives you an 8 year warranty. When your watch stops working after 5 or 6 years, that warranty is gold.
Thanks for sharing!
Lol nice one brand licker
In what way is the IWC movement superior?
@@Ordinaryjoe326 Double the power reserve, backed by a far better warranty. They aren’t giving 8 years to be nice guys. They give 8 years because they know few watches will break in that time period. Longines uses off the shelf ETA, while the IWC makes their own movements. I don’t own either watch. I like them both and Longines gives a lot of watch for the money, but the IWC is considered a higher level brand by most watch geeks.
To be honest, ETA movements are very much as reliable or more reliable than in house movements. They are workhorse movements. In any case both these watches have only 1 complication which is a date, so I think reliability should be comparable. Don’t discount a reliable off the shelf movement. They are not inferior in any way!
Hope Longines bracelet is as good as IWC. That will be perfect.
Tried yesterday at the boutique, the bracelet is superb! Feels premium as well
I haven’t have the chance to experience the bracelet for the Spirit line, but the IWC Mark XX bracelet is very very impressive
Longines are making lovely watches these days
The new IWC Mark XX has a movement problem too. When you pull out the crown and pop it back in when setting the time, the minute hand can jump.
Thanks for sharing, had no idea about this issue. Are you sure it isn’t a defect on that particular watch model?
@@twosecondswatch I'm sure. If you search around you'll find another youtube video with the same claim. I went to an AD and saw for myself also.
Thanks for sharing!
I have 3 longines watches in my collection now and need to add the spirit blue dial to my collection next.
Longines everyday; undoubted quality, style, heritage and in the real world, value for money. Happy horology.
Great review. I have never found the IWC pilot watches appealing in anyway. taking the brand logo away it has nothing
Have you handled any in person?
I must say the IWC Pilot is a very well made watch indeed. They make nice watches, however I do think their real Pilot watch is the Big Pilot 43 - which is the proper Pilot watch
@@twosecondswatch 43 and 46, for sure. They are incredibly well-made, and it's obvious in the hand and when you operate them. So I doubt the OP's original comment. Their quality is undeniable in the flesh.
In my experience owning and handling IWC Pilot watches, I can confidently say their Pilot series are very very well made, and quite flawless in case construction, finishing and overall feel. You do have the sense of a well made watch. That’s why when I look at the date window I can’t help but be disappointed. If you like the IWC brand, go for the Big Pilot 43 instead!
The Longines may have everything going for it on paper, but for me the IWC is a more iconic design with a genuine pedigree and more professional (some would say "boring") design and presentation. But still the Longines packs a massive punch and is a terrific deal for for the price. Kudos to Longines for that!
My longines spirit 40 blue take 1 sec a week !! Impressive!! I love the watch.
IWC mk XX - amazing design, the best bracelet at its pricepoint. But the placement of the datewindow still not at the right place is unforgivable. Longines is and has been underrated for a long time, but i think thats slowly about to change. Ive owned several IWC’s, rolexes, AP’s, vacheron etc etc but never found anything with a better price/quality ratio than longines. The fact that you get more for youre money does not make it less of a quality piece.
Thanks for sharing. Agree the bracelet is amazing indeed, should be the gold standard! Longines is still doing very strong based on their current positioning in the Swiss industry and really killing it with their new releases. They are listening to their customers, just like Hamilton
The Spirit is a great watch. The IWC is a great watch also, but for that kind of money, I could find more compelling options, it’s just that simple.
That said, the IWC would likely fit you better. That Spirit is too large for you in terms of lug to lug. Doesn’t mean you can’t conceal it as mentioned in the comments, but dropping a couple grand on a watch, it could be the finest watch in the world, If the fit isn’t spot on, it’s a no go.
Longines, from about 1800-3200 bucks, they are among the best. The long lugs contribute to the look of that watch no doubt, but in terms of fit, they undermine that process for a lot of people.
I have tried the IWC Mark XX and did not like the shape of it on the wrist, but the lugs do wear shorter.
I dont understand how a comparative review can be made if the reviewer hasnt handled both watches? It's just off that he's comparing a watch he's handling to something based on specs and online information.
I have handled and sold a similar watch which is the IWC Mark Tribute to Mark XII Limited Edition series. It is the predecessor to the Mark XX and very similar. You can also read a detailed review on our website (no video unfortunately) for your reference.
Imagine trying to explain that you paid $3k on this watch to a non-watch geek, or to someone who just purchased an IWC. Yikes! You’ll be stumbling over your words trying to explain the stars and longines rich history. Then you’ll feel like a dolt.
I guess that’s the part where it’s fun to talk about the watch history isn’t it?
@@twosecondswatchthen we can talk about other brands' history and place in the market. and then you're back at square one...$3k for longines =/
Haha… the things we watch people talk about that really confounds normal people out there who just want a nice looking watch. 😂
External validation sucks
You should get the 37mm.
Just purchased the XX and this pops up in my recommended.. TH-cam is a cruel mistress ! 😅
The Mark XX is still a great watch! Enjoy what you have! If you’re looking to buy or sell it in the future do reach out to us twosecondswatch@gmail.com
Some really good points. Big fan of the Spirit but as an IWC Mark 18 owner, I have to disagree on "better finish". Better value yes. Better movement, probably? I will probably want to own the spirit at some point in the future :)
Thanks for sharing! The mark 18 is a great watch as well, however I think the pricing was probably much cheaper when you acquired it. The new RRP for the Mark XX is a shocking increase isn’t it?
And the winner is ....... Hamilton Khaki Murph.
Just kidding. I currently own the 38mm Hamilton but am tempted by the 37mm Longines. Perhaps you could do a comparison of these 2 some time.
Would love to review to Hamilton Khaki Murph and Spirit 37mm! If anyone is willing to sell theirs/trade in with us or lend us your watch for review we’ll be happy to do so. Just email us at TwoSecondsWatch@gmail.com
I own a Longines Bigeye in steel. Circa 2019. The GPHG winning variant. Genuinely love it. However, I think when it comes to these two I’d take the IWC mark XX. It’s a significantly better watch than the spirit. However, the spirit is a great watch for its price point. No doubt!
Thanks for sharing! Would love to handle the Big Eye, it is such an awesome watch. It is one of the best chronographs at the price range in my opinion.
@@twosecondswatchThey modified the 7750 and put in a column wheel and vehicle clutch. You don’t get that at the price point.
Thank you for this really informative nice review and comparison.
Thanks very much for the positive comment! I’m glad you enjoyed it! It really encourages us to make future content like this 🤩
@@twosecondswatch I would like to watch more kind of reviews, specially when it comes for aviation/fleiger watches ❤️
Thanks will try to do more of those!
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Long jeans! Thats how most Singaporean shouts out it as. Nothing wrong with pronouncing it from a local standpoint. He does not sound fake. Keep it up👍 Would like to see more reviews mid priced luxury watches from your channel. But keep in mind, that since comparisons are made between 2 watches, always be reminded to repeat that these reviews are in your own personal opinion and preference.
Haha… I guess my local accent is showing..😂. Maybe I shall record my next video using my queens English accent… 😊. Thanks @aminsaid4379 for your feedback and encouragement. Will keep that in mind for my next videos. Thanks again for your support! It really means a lot.
I hear you. I only wish the dial was a deeper black. the dial on the Longines look mat black, to me
Yes it actually has a matte black kind of texture and I must say it’s not 100% black. Under the light you do see the fine grains.
The BigEye
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Longines Spirit vs Oris Big Crown Date Pointer, what would you. choose ?
Now that is an interesting one… I’ve always personally liked the Oris Big Crown Date design… this is a tough one until I can do a hand on with the Oris! 😄
@@twosecondswatch I was tossing up between the two for a few weeks. I ended up going with the Longines. I also love the design of the Oris, but when I held the Oris in the hand it felt less substantial compared to the Longines (weight, quality of the materials, feel in the hand/wrist). I feel the Oris should be a little lower in price than what they are being sold for, then I would definitely consider it.
@@01rai01 Yes Oris prices have been creeping up a lot in the last few years. They used to be priced around Hamilton watches range and competing in that segment, but it seems their strategy is to now charge much more and go upmarket. Not so sure if their newer watches are as well made (I have handled some before including a review of the Oris Diver 65 which you can watch here th-cam.com/video/tlKYEt-Ak5k/w-d-xo.html). I do personally feel the Big Crown Date Pointer is priced a little too high at retail. But it is an iconic design of Oris with heritage to match. 😀 In any case most important is the watch that resonates with you and not my opinion even... 😚
It just straight up looks better. And thats enough for me :)
Great video and varying range of talking points that matter. The IWC looks to be more dial, what is the dial measurement of the Spirit?
Good question! I haven’t measured before, does anyone know?
Good entry level premium watch. COSC, 70 hours power reserve and 5 years warranty. The blue and lume really pops. A bargain at $3K.
IWC at least 3x the cost and you are reaching Oyster or even Pepsi.
Thanks for sharing!
I have both, I honestly think the spirit looks so much better, IWC is really getting old, even the new watches from them give off OLD vibe, I understand they want to maintain the iconic look but IWC is basically feeding on it, like come on, just create something new
Yes exactly! They need to innovate, can’t just keep recycling an old design. That’s where I find the Longines is actually doing that! Just compare the dial side by side and you can see very clearly the innovation. Longines did a stunning design and a class above the standard flieger designs.
I had both but but a mark 18 instead, the longines was sold as soon as a I got the iwc, iwc is in a different league. Longines design was not the best, to many stars and diamonds on the dial. Iwc designs are classic a bit like Rolex, they can't make big changes otherwise you won't recognise that it's an iwc
Truly brilliant review mate, love it so much. Your channel deserves more subscribers!
Thanks so much for the praise and support. I’m truly humbled. 🙇🏻
I actually agree. Also, the iwc ingenieur is not as good as the zenith defy skyline.. but it is 2x the cost. Iwc has a pricing issue imo
They make great watches honestly, it’s more of their pricing strategy, especially the latest Ingenieur
Longines is best watch for price, good quality and knowable prestige marks
Great video and watch! Could you share what leather strap you have featured on this watch?
Hi you can purchase this strap from our website. It’s a new strap so do drop me a message there and I can custom order it for you. Thanks. www.TwoSecondsWatch.com
It's nice but I can't get over the 5 shiny stars, it just looks ..not so clean. Perhaps I just prefer more minimalist dial.
Fair enough!
Can you do a video on the longines ephemerides solaires. I have been searching for years looking for info on it
Hi I haven’t heard of that one before! Is it from their heritage line?
I love my "cutting three" Spirit ;-)
I agree the Spirit is very good, and the price/value ratio is much better than the Mark XX's. But I strongly disagree with the verdict on the movement. Saying that a 3.5 Hz movement with 72 hours power reserve is better than a 4 Hz movement with 120 hours, just because it's chronometer certified... it's just far-fetched. The higher frequency has a nice benefit esthetically, while the power reserves has a nice benefit practically in day-to-day life. On the other hand, a few seconds (theoretical) difference in accuracy has basically zero consequence in real life - other than in your mind.
I guess saying any movement is better than another is extremely subjective as the real life difference will not really be known by the buyer unless they are really into watches and bother about that.
My gripe with the IWC is that it is what I call a "Disney watch", a retro design that resembles no historical watch at all. It is a bastard of WWII Luftwaffe B-Uhr design elements randomly mixed with post-war RAF watch details: The 12 o'clock marker, dagger hands, chunky strap are from the Nazi watch, the cross-shape lume pattern and crown are from the RAF Mark 11, the ostentatious 40 mm size matches neither, the childish back engraving of a Junkers 52 reminds of Pagani Design. There is nothing wrong with that and the result looks kind of fashionable - it is just something I would not pay more for than say $500 (the price of any fashion watch or a Seiko).
To me the Longines is the more honest, more reasonable watch AND it is available in 37 mm which is the ideal size for an average 175 mm wrist and a modern mid-century-style three-hander. The new Hamilton Murph 38 looks even cleaner though at under $1000.
To me Longines is a respectable brand, not a fashion watch brand like IWC has become.
Thanks for sharing your very detailed viewpoints! Agree that the Hamilton is a great watch for that price range as well. Hope to handle one for a review soon.
A B-Uhr is 1 of the most popular watch designs around . IWC was 1 of the brands which did make those in WW2 if i am correct and making a adaption to present time does not make it bad . Want it closer to the original , choose Laco . Want a more classic approach but with the history , Stowa would be nice . Want just a nice B-Uhr , imho Steinhart would be the one. However , pure value wise ,IWC got the name and no matter how you feel or think about it , that is what it is . Why is a Rolex supposed to be worth more then Omega ? Because of the name , advertising the right people/product . In back to this topic , Longines made a killer watch , and besides this 1 they also got a Hydroconquest which is also very good VFM. They are doing spectacular things lately at Longines .
@@sergesmets5685 I do believe Longines is on a roll with their latest releases - just look at the new Zulu time! And agree on all your points on Laco, Stowa… Thanks for sharing! I don’t think people here really know or understand the derivative IWC design actually originated from the B-Uhr designs which were shared by those other watchmakers - they just think it’s IWC who came out with the design style - they didn’t !
So you don't have the mk20 in hand to compare it side by side and then declare the longines as better....cool story bro😂
Would be happy to review them side by side if a viewer is happy to loan me one for review! ☺️
You're paying double because of the name.
Agreed. IWC’s flat printed dials are so boring.
I disagree, I've owned a Longines spirit 40mm and currently own an iwc mark 18. The iwc is better in every way, especially from a design perspective, no other pilots watch comes close to iwc. The ar coating on the iwc is much better, it has better case finishing, iron inner case, glass displacement protection, better strap, 28k movement so a smoother sweep, better case back, it's just a more luxurious product, brand prestige. For the money the Longines is really good, they need to get rid of the stars and the diamond hour markers as I feel like there is to much going on. The mark 20 is a lot better than the 18.
Agree with you they are better - however the Longines is comparatively as good as if not superior in dial execution and luxury finishes. I mean for its price, my argument is it’s not the better watch - I do think the IWC Big Pilot 43 is the watch to go for instead of the Mark Series. To me the last best Mark Series was the Mark 15
@@twosecondswatch the dial is nice on the Longines but again if you want the pilot look, the iwc design suits and fits the pilot look better. The finishing is better on the iwc, the bevels and polishing looks more premium. The longines is great for the money. Agree the big pilot 43 is much better if you can pull it off.
Also when you have the Longines you keep thinking about the iwc, but once you have the iwc you forget about the Longines.
@@twosecondswatch Quite a poor argument all round. The Mark xx is fantastic you have to own one to understand. The Longines lacks something and the stars are awful. I’ve tried to like it but….No. I think you may be hating just a little!
@@Youy0u3010I think you need to handle them side by side to see how close they are in terms of finishing quality. It’s not that IWC is not good, it’s way overpriced for what you get. 😊
Nice review! I think it all really comes down to which style of flieger you like. Both look awesome!
Totally agree! In the end you can actually have both in the collection. Or either one. Whichever makes you happy 😃
a very good review. thanks
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5 Reasons why it's NOT better - the stars... lol
Disagree. Watch my video - I talk about the stars and the significance in the Longines watch.
Thanks for the review! And I totally agree with your opinion on the 5 stars!
Please invest in a microphone
Might have missed it...what is your wrist size circumference or diameter? Thanks
6 inch wrist size.
It’s spoken as Longine! Silent S
Whoops thanks for the heads up! 😬
The diminishing returns of the IWC Mark XX as compared to the Longines Spirit is evident. However, I disagree with you on the movement. Longines had to reduce the frequency to achieve 72 hours just like how Tissot reduced the frequency to achieve 80 hours on their Powermatic 80 Silicium movement. IWC has achieved a staggering 120 hours WITHOUT any reduction in frequency. Those well versed in watch movements would understand why a higher frequency is desirable for accuracy (the higher frequency means it can correct itself faster in case of any irregular behaviour), think Grand Seiko High Beat, Zenith movements. COSC Chronometer Certifications aren't everything especially when a sacrifice has to be made. Long story short, you're getting what you paid for, the Spirit has a good movement but the IWC has BETTER one.
Yes, I do agree that the movement beat rate has been slowed down for the Longines Spirit watch. There is significant improvements to the Mark XX and the increase of power reserve to 120 hours. However, I find that 120 hours power reserve is excessive and serves no real purpose. Honestly most people won't even notice 21,600 beat rate vs 28,800 anyway. They will however, notice if its keeping good time or not. :)
@@twosecondswatch Valid point, most people will not notice the difference between 21,600 beat rate vs 28,800 UNLESS they look closely at the seconds hand (especially those obsessed with smooth sweeping seconds hand). As I said previously, a high frequency also helps a movement keep good time. An analogy mentioned in a recent video on Teddy Baldassare's channel, is, if a top is spinning slowly on a table and you slam the table, it is likely the top will tip over, however a top spinning quickly can correct itself and continue spinning.
@@kingnova117 At the price point though I think the IWC Movement should be Chronometer certified...at the least!
Sorry, but it doesn’t even come close to the XX. I find the Longines obvious and vulgar. Trying to be what it is not: a luxury watch. If shopping for a real Flieger with top notch quality finish I would go for a Laco Pro without hesitation
It’s just my opinion! But let’s be honest, all watches are technically luxury watches in some form… I mean why do we still need anything that tells time on our wrists that costs more than $100 when our phones can tell time today? In another note I think Laco watches deserve more attention for the value they give, however I haven’t handled the Laco Pro in person, only their entry model Fliegers.
I respectfully disagree. The IWC Mark XX is a very high-quality watch and better than this Longines, which, I acknowledge is a good watch. However, the IWC is superior in my view.
Thanks for sharing! The IWC Mark XX is a good watch, but if you can my suggestion is to go for the Big Pilot 43 instead. It is the real pilot watch IMHO.
@@twosecondswatchlmao you're stupid
I fully agree with you I will go for the longines spirit everyday against IWC Mark XX
Really like it, but the 21mm lugwidth is a dealbreaker for me.
Iwc is a nice watch, but its such bad value for money, compared to the longines spirit, iwc basically uses the same base movement, isnt cosc, doenst have lumed numerals, has an aweful date window.
One major flaw for me is the long lug to lug on the 40mm
Yeah the lug to lug is pretty long, much like the previous generation mark 17-18 series. However I actually like the longer lug to lug design for this watch. I think if it’s too short it will lose some of the design of the watch. However I must say that the 37mm actually wears more like a 39mm
Nice review. Unfortunately, at 37 mm, the watch is too small.
The Longines Spirit watch I have in the review is 40mm, which is the same size as the IWC Mark XX. The 37mm models date window is at the 6 o’clock position.
5 totally random reasons the watch I chose to buy is better than the watch I didn't chose, just to confirm myself that I made the right choice and find people online that chime in in the comment section
Random? Ouch that hurts… 😭
i was just here for the leather strap
The Longines is the type of watch I like but it costs more than I want to spend on one. I would suggest that the design is not that original with the basic look shared with the other 11 brands of military watches of the dirty dozen or the later G10.
In all honesty I think most flieger type watches are in some way derivative and shared with the military watches of the dirty dozen or the G10. They have now become a design language of sort?
Nice watch but you are essentially trying to justify the watch because you couldn’t afford the iwc. You can’t compare the quality of the watch to a picture of the other watch. You just waffle on as well. Get to the point man.
Hi, actually I have handled both watches, just not on the video at the same time. You can check out our detailed review of the IWC Mark VIII Tribute to Mark 11 limited edition which is very similar to the Mark XX. It was sold on our website. 😁
No comparison IWC kicks Longines into touch in every way!
Into ‘touch’? Sure thing, you’re entitled to your opinion of course. 😂
I Do not think so, the only thing that IWC is superior is on price, apart of that I stick with Longines. There are people that are clearly more interested in the brand than in the pure watch functionalities.
@@giusepperuffini4001 have you compared both watches, side by side. I have owned both and the iwc is better in every way. The fit and finish, ar coating, case, caseback, leather, movement, bracelet on the iwc is better as well as brand prestige. Name me the things that are better on the Longines?
@@coffeeboyclips1973 Actually I had the IWC and personally I have not seen all differences that you mention, the only thing different between the two watches is the price level. I think that qualify a "better" brand just for the price positioning is a little limitative. I would add also that IWC does not retain much value in the secondary market, similar to Longines but at least the second one is not so expensive.
@@giusepperuffini4001 I don't believe you had the iwc, you wouldn't be buying a longines if you had an iwc, the main reason the iwc is better for me is design, the Longines dial has too much going on, with the stars and diamonds, the iwc looks like a proper pilots watch, it's the number one pilot watch maker.
The dial on the longines is beautiful and stands on its own, but they ruined it with that terrible handset. Leaf style hands would have been a knockout.
I would link a leaf style hands would look kind of off on this design.
IWC looks nicer to me.
Great! Go for it! It’s still a great watch
IWC vs Longines is like Mercedes vs Hyundai. IWC is high horology. Longines is barely entry luxury. IWC you can re-sell to any watch dealer, try and sell a Longines their going to smirk at you.
In both cases of the watches, you lose a lot when you sell the watch dealers. However do take note that in the first place the pricing of the watches are in different categories. IWC is not high horology in my opinion, perhaps brands like Patek, Vacheron, Lange are in that category.
The truth is you couldn't afford an I.W.C., so, you have settled for second best and bought a Longine. Nuf said.
I’m sure most collectors actually can afford both, I’m not saying IWC watches are not good, but from a head to head with their pilot mark xx, it really isn’t that great vs this watch. I do agree their Pilot 43 is very good indeed. In fact the older Mark series such as Mark 15 we’re in my opinion a much better watch.
@paulsteele6120 We have both IWC and Longines for sale in our online shop at www.twosecondswatch.Com
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Since publishing this video I notice that there has been a lot of hate, and sometimes very strong opinions against this video.
Let me clarify, I do not have anything against IWC the brand in general. My strong opinions is also because I love the IWC Mark series. I have owned IWC in the past and we also have sold the IWC Pilot Tribute to Mark 11 (which is based on the Mark 18) on our website. I have done a comprehensive written review on that watch which can be found on our website.
If you like the IWC Pilot Mark XX, go for it! If you watch my video my arguments are mostly how IWC positions this watch model and how I feel the real winner and Pilot watch from IWC is no longer the Mark series but instead the Big Pilot 43. I feel the current generation Mark XX has lost its meaning/design compared to previous generations (which have the crosshair design) and is now being surpassed by newer and more creative designs - such as this Longines Spirit. To me if IWC re releases this watch with more design akin to the the crosshair one with modern updates - it would be much better - and at least make everything lumed.
Comparatively the Longines Spirit has so many things to like about it and is a strong alternative contender if you’re looking for that kind of watch.
In the end of the day, get the watch that speaks the most to you - and if budget permits, get both these watches. 😊
Great review. I don't even like pilot watches and still watched the video. Good job,
Thanks for the encouraging comment! It really motivates us to continue making videos like these. 👍
Which strap is on there please?
Hi @konradbieniek6017 you can purchase this strap on our website from this link: www.twosecondswatch.com/product-page/khaki-classic-vintage-leather-watch-strap
Mark XX is not Sellita based. Its a Richmonte In House.
Which is why in my opinion, it’s not true in house but rather in group. Technically it’s a shared movement between the same group of companies connected via a holding company. Having said that, IWC does have a develop their true in house movements, you just can’t find it in the mark xx - but you can in the big pilot.
Lug to lug is toooooo big
Even though on paper it feels long/big, in real life wearing experience you don’t feel it on the wrist due to the curve of the lugs. The proportions are perfect in my opinion and on a strap it’s even less pronounced.
The longines is nice, I just don’t like the 5 star rating on the dial 😂
To me the 5 stars ⭐️ is what sets it apart from the other brands. It’s a little like the omega constellation series with their stars on the caseback, but this is on the dial. It does have historical reference though as I shared in the video.
Great review,
Could you please provide the ref. number of this model.
Thanks Arthur! Glad you enjoyed it. The ref no is L3.810.4.53.0. You can see the watch details at this link and is available for sale in our store.
www.twosecondswatch.com/product-page/longines-spirit-avigation-40mm
@@twosecondswatch appreciate it.
Very strong and compelling arguments
Thank you! Hope you enjoyed it! 😀
I bought the blue dialled version but it’s 100% going back. Although I really like this watch it has a number of fatal flaws. The movement. The rotor is both noisy and tinny cheap sounding. The COSC certificate seems to be a stretch since mine was running at +9s/day on a full daily wind. The case finishing looks good to the naked eye but break out a x10 loupe - the lug finishing on one end was fine but on the other it looked like someone had taken a metal nail file to the lug ends and filed off the metal surface in three planes. Ugly cheap and nasty finishing. The buckle on the strap had three small dings on it. All of this on a brand new watch just a joke. I’d also say the Longines 40mm wears more like a 38 or 39 at a push - more like a ladies size piece. Overall if you don’t have an eye for detail and willing to spend a couple of grand on a watch that doesn’t even keep time that well, despite the COSC chronometer claims and certificate which appears meaningless marketing, go ahead. But if you’re a watch purist like myself and like things to be high quality and engineered to perfection look elsewhere. Longines comes up short at a not inexpensive price tag. Better than IWC - c’mon man who are you kidding?
Sounds like the watch you got was defective. I have experiences on QC with other brands as well such as Omega, Tudor, IWC.
You’re clearly full of sh’t. You don’t own this watch. If you did, you would know that the movement doesn’t come with a COSC certification.
Goodness both watches look amazing, I feel like the longings just took the Hamilton Khaki case and Put a different dial and Cosc movement. If I was buying one at retail I’d go with IWC. I wish both would use the 24hr numbers like the Hamilton does
Sometimes, its the minor details that make the difference. Both these watches are military inspired in some sense so I suppose the will look very similar.
Excellent review, thank you 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Longines and IWC are on completely different levels. Get real
And yet the quality of the Longines is undeniably as good as IWC…
@@twosecondswatch You really are utterly clueless. If you think that the finishing and dials are equal on these two brands then you are just totally and completely ignorant. Also, try comparing a longines bracelet to a IWC bracelet. They are leagues apart.
@@whereRbearsTeeth I suppose I am… since all I do is dabble in a watch hobby debating about such things… 🙈 Just enjoy the watch hobby and chill dude. Btw, thanks for supporting the channel, if you have any watch needs we sell watches and straps on our website too, just hop in there and mention your name, I’ll give you a special discount. 😀
@@twosecondswatchNo thanks. Based on what I’ve seen, I’d never trust you as a dealer.
You didn’t convince me 😂
Guess I can’t convince everyone! 😉
Spoiled by the date window and the protruding winding crown.
The crown is quite a distinctive feature which I think is quite nice. It's the similar crown on the IWC Big Pilot 43.
I've just bought a Grand Seiko Diver. Here are 5 reasons why it's better than Rolex Submariner.
- Better movement (Spring Drive)
- Better finish (Zaratsu polishing)
- Has a power reserve indicator
- Japanese heritage
- Lower price
😂
Looking forward to your video. 🤭
Long Jeans? How can you have a watch channel and not know how to pronounce basic watch brand names?
Ouch that hurts… excuse my localised English accent. 😯
Way better