I loved Star Wars as a kid when other kids brought up Star Trek I immediately shut it down and lean towards Star Wars, I was just a naive kids who never even watched an episode of it. Now i understand why is such a profound series. So many episodes make you think about your own beliefs and ideas and you become almost philosophical about it. The idea of a living organism being pure energy and consciousness send me on a roller coaster of questioning but even since ancient civilization always say the the body is just a vessel and I’m thinking how much our brain activity, emotions and reactions effects how our lives are developed and how it would be if humans detached that from their brain so it can only be energy(thoughts) and conscious produced. I’m thinking to much 😂 but I love Star Trek and will recommend it to anybody even after 50 years later
For me in childhood, Star Trek came before Star Wars. I could enjoy both for equally good reasons. Especially how they have both influenced so much from Battlestar Galactica to The Expanse.
The first three Star Wars were entertaining enough. When I first experienced Star Trek as a child in the 60's it was not all that to me. It was only in reruns in the 70's that I could appreciate the often profound message delivered in a rather hokey but earnest way that I could begin to understand & embrace pretty much all of it. Between the two Star Trek is much more relatable to me. Live long & prosper.
Spock has virtually no lines in this scene but as Kirk rambles on trying to justify the war, his facial expressions say everything. Nimoy was was an amazing actor.
Quinn The Hybrid Human/Mothern Alien Invader from 1980s TV. Series War of The Worlds. "One term of Tricky Dick was Enough, Two would have been Impossible!"
@@brianjlevine I was happy to see the mirror verse come back. I had hoped to see a tng crossover to mirror verse. An evil Picard would have been as Kor said glorious.
@@2bituser569 it almost got silly with the Ferengi episode. Kind of lost the ruthless aspect. But yeah, a TNG episode might have been interesting, with a swaggering, lusty Picard. Patrick Stewart would have enjoyed it.
I see his POV upto a point. The glory of battle itself was his creed and call to duty/honour as childish as this episode made it out to be. Replace the klingons with Spartans and that is exactly what you will get. Doesn't mean I agree with him, because in mirror mirror kirk said the same thing to the other Spock..."waste of lives, resources that cannot endure". That's how empires end and the glory is only fleeting and temporary at best.
@@TheNerdForAllSeasons True and yet, nothing much remains of the Spartans at least in terms of buildings/ architecture or their empire because they were hyper specialized and even then had flaws which were exploited as skilled as they were.
It also shows how untrustworthy he is. One moment he wants to kill you, and the next if circumstances change he will change and want to be your friend. Arbitrary. Not reliable. That makes him more deadly and dangerous.
@@wadehampton5116 yeah, he did good. But there was a nuanced quality to Colicos's performance, the way he could show admiration for Kirk while still showing ruthlessness and a desire for glory, and his disdain for the Organians. "Fools! Will I have to kill them all?" And when Kirk says "Well, no one wants war" and he and and Kor exchange guilty looks. Perfection.
@@brianjlevine I can't disagree. I remember reading somewhere that they were considering having a semi-regular Klingon villain that would keep bumping into Kirk every now and again. Colicos would've been perfect.
@@wadehampton5116 i had read that they wanted him for Tribbles and Day of the Dove, but he had scheduling conflicts. Glad they brought him, Ansara and Campbell back for DS9.
Gene Rodenderry's question to a West that was still supporting of Vietnam War and of nuclear war if needed. People thought it over when the USSR fell, but it did not last much. Now the "Federation" has a lot of "bad enemies" again. Only maybe we really live in the Mirror Universe.
@@nosuchthing8 What in the world? I am guessing you are a liberal Demonrat that is okay with murdering unborn children and defend a women's right to get one, saying it is their right to murder their unborn children because it is their body and their choice..... but not okay with applying that same thought of "my body, my choice" when it comes to whether or not we want to inject ourselves with an unproven, untested substance, when there are other proven alternatives that work and are being suppressed. If you, your loved ones, and others in your life ARE vaccinated, then of what concern is it of yours if anyone else vaccinated anyway? You're protected, right?.... because you got the vaccine, right? You can't get the Chinees virus anymore and don't have to wear a mask anymore, right?..... because your vaccinated, right? ..... and if you still have to wear a mask and can still catch the Chinees flu after getting vaccinated, then what is the point of getting vaccinated? The adults that have chosen NOT to get the vaccine are adults that have made an adult decision to not get vaccinated and will have to live...... or die with with that choice..... and far as them spreading the Chinees flu to anyone else, well, who is they are spreading it to? They are spreading it to others that have also decided not get the vaccine.... Not people like you that have been vaccinated. As a side note here, why do I have to show papers to eat in a restaurant, but don't have to show papers to vote? Why is racist to ask for an I.D. to vote, but not racist to have to show an I.D. to get married, rent a hotel room, rent a car, buy a car, buy a house, board an airplane, open a bank account, to gain entrance into a 21 and over night club, to buy alcoholic beverages, to purchase a firearm, to get medical treatment, to get a job.....? .... but for some reason, it's not okay and racist to have to show I.D. to vote for president of the United States?
Kirk's realization at 1:59 on what horrors he was defending is one of my favorite moments in the series. That and Spock's reactions to Kirk and Kor's angry rants. We were still very much human in TOS.
It isn't often James T. Kirk is humbled. Much less when it happens by his own words. Credit to Shatner as well. For all the flack he sometimes gets for being an over actor and ham his best Kirk moments are often the ones where he is quiet and subdued, his expressions communicating far more about what the character is thinking than words ever could.
One my favorite DS9 episodes. Kor demonstrated the nobility, fearlessness, and bravery that defines Klingon culture at it's finest. He sacrificed his life for a greater good, the glory of a honorable death, and one that guaranteed the Dahar Master's rightful place in the Halls of Suto'vo'qor!
And thus begins one of the greatest arcs in the history of television and film. From this episode, to Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country, to TNG: Yesterday's Enterprise, and finally to the Dominion war in Deep Space 9, we see this prophesy come to fruition.
No, the final step was Daniels telling Archer on the Enterprise-J that by the time of the battle with the Sphere Builders the Klingons had become members of the Federation.
I feel the Dominion War really solidified the Federation/Klingon Empire alliance. Martok fought very closely with Worf and the Federation, then becomes Chancellor. It is one of my favorite space alliances, especially when outside forces see it as the biggest threat
Well these guys had no choice- two very powerful adversaries materialize onto their home, invade their system, and threaten to wage war on a planetary scale . They were right to interfere.
The Organians made it quite clear they wouldn’t interfere unless there was no other viable option. Lastly, the Organians didn’t act violently against anyone. Rather the only retaliation they took was to send the Feds and the Klingons packing.
The only thing I love more about this episode then how quickly the Klingon turns to the human, his sworn enemy, like, "C'mon, _we can take them,"_ is the fact that, in a room full of aliens, the one he likes most is the disguised human
@@blackflamefegari5756 That's part of it. The greatest fun of it is the Irony. Not even a few seconds Before that, Kor said they would Not be friends. Yet within a few minutes of that you can see him considering it.
“Captain… we can handle them. I have an army…” Love that moment. Without even thinking, Kor has taken a step towards fulfilling the prophecy of the Organians. It’s like, nature - whatever is Organic - finding a way.
@@psifla99 Even funnier still is by allying with the Federation the Klingons will constantly have people to battle because Starfleet is always finding another more powerful enemy. The Dominion, the Borg, the Fen Domar. It is a constant and often very honorable battles.
Martok served as a labourer 2345-2350 after passing the entrance exam to become an Officer but receiving the mark of Kor on his record. I'd say Martok was about 20 by then so he would have been born mid 2320's, 60 years after the Organian Peace Treaty.
This is why the original Star Trek was one of my favorites and the storyline behind some of the best Star Trek episodes this is one of the better episodes to thank you for putting us up here happy holidays everyone and a Happy New Year🎄🎉🎊
there are numerous episodes in every Star Trek series that politicians need to see. Another one that definitely applies to day is the "Past Tense" (DS9) two parter
One OF MY FAVORITES TOO!!!!!!!!!!! Thoughly enjoyed this clip!!!!!!!!!!!!! Within a hundred years peace and friendship!!!!!!!!!!!! Watching MR WORF on two shows BROUGHT THAT really home to ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What was so cool about this... you don't have to wait decades to see it unfold in TNG, DS9 etc.... once the Organians make their play, even threaten them both... Kor immediately wants to work with Kirk to take them down ;) In the minutes after the prophecy that they will one day be 'fast friends', you actually see it happening already... I loved that. My only regret is that as much I loved The Undiscovered Country... When Kirk confronted Spock on being volunteered to extend and olive branch to the Klingons... when Kirk said 'LET THEM DIE!'... they never called back to this episode. I'd have liked Spock to say 'Jim, remember the Organians, what they told us... we must seek peace with the Klingons'. It would be a great way to bring Kirk around, nothing else the movie would change, just one line that would have tied this all together nicely. I'd have to think that this experience made Kirk wiser... you see it when he realizes how pathetic his justification for war was. And, I think... Kor as well walked away from this a changed man...well, Klingon. Kor died buying time for Klingons to reach FEDERATION reinforcements being pursued by the Jem'Hadar. I like to think his experience on Organia guided him to that point.
All that time that passed since TOS and they still haven't become "fast friends" working together. What a missed opportunity! I did think Kirk should have made a great speech at his trial - previously he was known for great speeches, which I had seen just before this clip. Maybe they cut it, since they went straight to sentencing? Several cast members didn't like the racism expressed by the heroes at the table in ST VI. If Kirk was prejudiced against Klingons, why didn't the admiral bring him in on the plan? If they were going to set up whoever escorted the Chancellor to Earth, then why have Kirk be so inhospitable?
As Hatmanson mentioned, Kirk lost his only son to the Klingons, much closer to Star Trek VI than it was to this episode. The bite of that loss is what made Kirk bitter towards Klingons.
Organian: To wage war Captain? To Destroy life on a planetary scale? Is that what you're defending? Kirk: Well...u.. ah...um...I....hmm.. ok, you got me on that one.
You realize why this is coming up now right? Its basically the same argument that antivaxers make. We have seen millions of covid deaths on a planetary scale. And the anti vaxxers argue for millions more. Because of their right to not do a thing to stop the easily preventable disease.
@@wrlord you are just mad because you know I'm right. Millions of people will die. Just like in the show. And like Kirk and Kol all your arguments point to defending that outcome. No masking, no vaxxing, no social distancing. Anti vaxxers are covids best friend. Oh and if you still think it's a hoax the death rate in america is up. So its definitely without question an increase in deaths, and not reclassifying other deaths as covid. If you need a link, just ask. It's simple enough to find. But I will provide a link. I'm using a phone so please give me the exact question you want researched.
"I'm sorry Captain, but we could not permit you to harm yourselves". At least, I think that's how that notable line went. Anyway, one of my favorite episodes, with one of my favorite actors, John Abbott.
This episode also proves the old truism of "Peace through Strength." Not tyranny, but the intelligent use of strength. The Organians are Uber-Pacifists, but find they are forced to stop something tragic by a "soft use" of force using their great powers to prevent a near genocidal war. Like parents reigning in unruly children.
The Organians aren't pacifists, they actively intervene in the Klingon-Federation war, That's an aggressive move. They may not be killing anyone but they aren't pacifists.
@@alexanders1309 I would compare the US more to the Federation than the Klingon Empire. The Organians proved that meekness is not weakness. We secure freedoms, rights, equality (Liberty) through economic, military, political and cultural strength (morals, ethics, sound principles and a spiritual heritage).
@@45580677 I didnt realize that! I'll look for it next time I watch it. I read that the actor that played Kor died very shortly after filming this episode, so he definitely went out like a Klingon master!
I love how this episode can be seen as a tie-in for the movie The Undiscovered Country (Star Trek 6), which I could well have imagined with Kor in it as well (which would have meant all the Canadian acting royalty in one place). In fact, Kor is a lot like Chang in The Undiscovered Country in hindsight; both characters stress how similar they are to Kirk, how their respective mentalities are similar. I love how the actor playing Kor brings out the ambiguities of his character - he's by far not as bad a guy as some of the Klingons we later see on TOS - at any rate he seems to be much more straightforward than they certainly.
@@nickmitsialis Yes, I know he loved to chew scenery, and that he greatly enjoyed playing villains, which he found to be much more enjoyable, i.e. less boring, than "conventional leading men". That's something very refreshing as compared to today's tendency to see every villains as "just misunderstood", and to give them backstories to match.
The actor who played is none other than the lateJohn Colicos, who seems to have a knack for playing villians: Miklos Cassadine on the ABC soap opera General Hospital in the late 70s-early 80s and Baltar on the original '78 _Battlestar: Galactica._
Spock sums up this entire episode with that look after the Organian says to Kirk, "... to destroy life on a planetary scale. Is that what you're defending?" Roddenberry made most of these shows as morality plays and this one is near the top of the list on that score. That moment sums up all of human history in a moment.
I remember this scene vividly, though not the rest of the episode. Beautifully done. "They are as far above us as we are above the amoeba." I replayed that quote in my mind for decades.
If you truly believe that then you're already ready for the deception of the Antichrist. You'll notice in Revelation he comes riding a White Horse He is a counterfeit Christ he has a bowl with no arrows means he's using no military force Edition it goes on to say he destroys many by peace. You know people don't talk peace unless they're ready to back it up with war!
@@FedoReds88 when you're referring to the power of the force I get the impression you're referring to the kind of details in the Star Wars TIE aspect of things you know good vs Evil thing and I understand what you're saying. I think that you misunderstand that you have two competing forces here light and darkness good and bad God in the adversary trust me the ad the series going to appear as a man that wants peace reconciliation and for people to be productive live their lives and be provided for and it will sound very wonderful but it will be very bad. Remember the Antichrist destroys mini bike peace in any God bless you keep studying and greetings from the state of Kentucky.
@@FedoReds88 I don't know to what force-e referring I'm assuming it's a Star Wars type thing. But in real life there is one power and that comes from the Almighty I hope you have a wonderful Christmas enjoy time with your family just wanted to say God bless you and greetings from the state of Kentucky!
Thus begins the greatest arc in all of science fiction. Star Trek is about many things, and there are many story lines and plot threads, but the greatest of them all is the fulfillment of Ayelborne's words: Humans and Klingons will become fast friends, they will work together.
Ironically in the episode "A Taste of Armageddon", Kirk is the one acting like the Organians. He decides that war will cease between Eminiar 7 and another planet in the same system...and that's it. It's interesting to see the role reversal, even though Kirk's methods were more heavy-handed than the Organians.
I'm not sure that's the really the same thing. He made them consider peace by forcing actual war on them. They had been practicing something far worse. Wars actually END... their conflict was so organized and "clean" that it never did. The problem with this episode is that Kirk's real issue is never addressed/swept under the run by the Organians. No one wants war, maybe... but the result of this peace is that millions will live in slavery under the Klingons. Maybe some of them wanted to fight for freedom. But the Organians won't let them. Imagine if the Battle of Bull Run (in the Civil War) was about to break out. The war was fought for multiple reasons, but ultimately it boiled down to the North trying to end slavery and the South trying to preserve it. But as the war was about to commence... the Organians show up and say nope! A million people will die in this war, so you're going to make peace instead. So no one dies... but millions remain in slavery. And the conflict is never allowed to resolve, because a bunch of energy beings won't let it happen.
@@Swiftbow Some wars appear "good" at the time, but longer term? In the case of the American Civil War, an economic blockade may have worked as well. With no income from the sale of tobacco and cotton, the slave states would have rebelled, but it would have been they who needed to invade - a much more difficult task as Gettysburg showed. Would they be better today with less of a chip on their shoulder? Who knows.
@@DrMikeAtOtago In that case, an economic blockade without secession was/is Unconstitutional. Regardless, sanctions of that sort rarely seem to work long term historically. Iran and North Korea are great examples. Additionally, in your example, there is STILL a war. So I fail to see a large difference. The South wasn't going to capitulate until THEY were invaded in either scenario. Would you have advocated merely blockading Hitler and Imperial Japan?
@@Swiftbow The slave states did secede, so that's a mote point. Economic sanctions can work - South Africa being the prime example. As to Germany and Japan, probably not as they had built huge military forces for the obvious purpose of expansion. As you no doubt know, Japan attacked because of economic sanctions by the US. Nonetheless, war is something to be avoided and alternatives must always be considered. The US should be acutely aware of this after wasting lives and money on Iraq, Afghanistan, and "The War on Drugs".
This is what happens when you have a good writer and good actors who were classically trained in a very poignant, emotional, and personal for some viewers, during the Cold War and a year before the peak of the Vietnam War. To truly appreciate this episode you have to know your history.
This clip(And this episode) had me thinking about a Star Trek novel written back in the 1970s called "Spock Must Die". In it, The Klingons develope a force field that traps the Organians on their homeworld. The Klingons then launch a suprise attack on The Federation. The Enterprise, meanwhile, is exploring uncharted space BEHIND the Klingon Empire. Kirk initially plans to use the Enterprise to cause as much damage to the Empire by attacking from their position. However, Spock developes a way to convert a transporter into a long range tachyon transporter in order to send someone to Organia to find out whats wrong. But when the tachyon transporter beams hits the Klingon force field, two Spocks are created; one of them good, the other evil and both of them logical. Its been forty years so thats all I remember but it was a good, non canon novel.
@@dalemcilwain In two (2) different episodes. He was such a great actor and one of my "Star Trek" favorites. He also played a good villain as "Baltar" in the original "Battlestar Galactica."
@@southtexasprepper1837 John Colicos got his flowers on DS9.in 3 episodes, one a 2 parter. Kor went out in a blaze of glory in the final season in DS9.
This was so well written and acted. Amazing how they make both sides look so petty, barbaric and childish. Just superb writing. One of the best episodes along with “Mirror Mirror”.
You gotta admire both the fact that Kirk wasn't presented as the grown-up in this scene, and that he was visibly back-tracking over his emotions and beliefs to what the Organians were saying and TRYING to grow up and live up to the Federation's ideals. He'd go through the same trial twenty-some years later at Khitomer.
The movie studios have found the "formula" that brings in the bucks at the box office. From now on any movie by any major studio will be pretty much the same. It's the same reason that all pop music sounds so similar. It's the money formula. The lowest common denominator that makes the money.
As I write this, Bill Shatner is just a few hours away from going into space in a rocket!! I wonder what he would have said back then if someone told him he would do that at age 90!
One thing I always found odd about Star Trek - the likes of the Klingon Empire, Federation, Romulan Empire, etc, are supposed to be the major powers in the Alpha Quadrant. Yet every other episode there's some advanced aliens or other that can pluck them like a chicken.
Humanoid powers. They are the most powerful at their scale of being. Just like how countries like the US or China or Russia or (insert preferred country here) are the great powers of our time, but they can all still be taken down by an organism at a different scale (like COVID-19)
"The mear presence of beings like yourselves is intensely painfully to us". Now that line got me.....those are the kind of ETs I wanna meet...Spoke "Facinating, Pure Energy, Pure Thought"......obviously the organians are as far above us on the evolutionary scale as we are above the amoeba these writers were inspired...
How dare the Orgainians! Trying to meddle in the affairs of the UFP and the Klingon Empire! Just think about the historic sagas that would have been written as Kirk and Kor faced each other in Glorious Battle! I'm joking, of course. I've loved this episode and this scene in particular since I was a little boy. Kirk and Kor are scolded like children that cannot stop misbehaving without parental intervention. Good stuff!!!
@Daniel Appleton I agree with the Ascended comparison but , unfortunately I've never watched Babylon 5. I've seen every episode of every series of Trek, excluding STD. It's suprising that I've never watched Babylon 5. Was it also a Roddenberry creation? Also, did Walter Koing play a villain at some point in the series?
@@XX-sp3tt I believe that your assessment is quite accurate. It would have been painful for the Orgainians with the residual negative energy lingering in their home. Had they not put a halt to the violence , they would have held themselves partially responsible.
Felt like how in 'Interstellar' Cooper finds himself inside a Tessaract, build by future highly evolved human consciousness of 'Pure Energy' Bulk beings! 🍷
John Colicos (Kor)) has that wonderful ability to make Being the Bad Guy look like So Much Fun! He did it again with Battlestar Galactica. Who is like him now?
Too bad it has not been referenced in ST-DS9. Kor, Kan and Kolos appear together in one episode dedicated to them (Blood Oath I think). Love Spock’s face in this scene btw!
So many things in TOS never appeared or referenced again. Not only the numerous species that were every bit as powerful as a Q, but technologies and techniques that would have been so useful 100 years later. Like using the Slingshot Maneuver to tick time back and fix problems ("Tomorrow is Yesterday" and Star Trek IV the Voyage Home), or setting ship's phasers to stun to knock out a bunch of people on the surface ("A Piece of the Action")
A great episode. I wish the world leaders at the U.N. would watch this. They might actually learn something. Humanity must evolve and grow up. We are infants.
The Organians knew Praxis was going to explode. They loved their math predictions. Doesn't always work though. They certainly didn't expect first contact with humans and klingons so quick.
I loved Star Wars as a kid when other kids brought up Star Trek I immediately shut it down and lean towards Star Wars, I was just a naive kids who never even watched an episode of it. Now i understand why is such a profound series. So many episodes make you think about your own beliefs and ideas and you become almost philosophical about it. The idea of a living organism being pure energy and consciousness send me on a roller coaster of questioning but even since ancient civilization always say the the body is just a vessel and I’m thinking how much our brain activity, emotions and reactions effects how our lives are developed and how it would be if humans detached that from their brain so it can only be energy(thoughts) and conscious produced. I’m thinking to much 😂 but I love Star Trek and will recommend it to anybody even after 50 years later
For me in childhood, Star Trek came before Star Wars. I could enjoy both for equally good reasons. Especially how they have both influenced so much from Battlestar Galactica to The Expanse.
The first three Star Wars were entertaining enough. When I first experienced Star Trek as a child in the 60's it was not all that to me. It was only in reruns in the 70's that I could appreciate the often profound message delivered in a rather hokey but earnest way that I could begin to understand & embrace pretty much all of it. Between the two Star Trek is much more relatable to me. Live long & prosper.
Welcome aboard. Something we Trekkies have known for decades.
Not me I would always be around youngsters who like Star Trek.
Indeed. This is one of my favorite episodes. @@freddyfurrah3789
Spock has virtually no lines in this scene but as Kirk rambles on trying to justify the war, his facial expressions say everything. Nimoy was was an amazing actor.
silently saying the whole time "He has a logical point captain".
but why was spok wearing womens fuzzy boots 👢
War is never justified?
@@frankcabanski9409 Not when there can be compromise.
@@frankcabanski9409 never justified in starting a war,
Both as the Klingon Kor, and Battlestar Galactica's Count Baltar, John Calicos was a true sci-fi gem
Quinn The Hybrid Human/Mothern Alien Invader from 1980s TV. Series War of The Worlds.
"One term of Tricky Dick was Enough, Two would have been Impossible!"
I agree completely.
He was someone you could both hate and grudingly like at the same time.
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Colicos was a brilliant actor, small screen, film, or stage. Canadian like Shatner, the two had performed on stage together.
@@danieldickson8591 after Star trek and Galactica, I found him on a day time soap opera. Same quality, but a bit of a come down I thought.
I never connected the 2 characters with the same actor. Thanks for pointing that out. Now that I see it,i can't unsee it.😋
I always loved how DS9 brought together Kor, Kang, and Koloth. It was such a great call back to TOS.
Yeah, they really embraced TOS more than other Trek shows. Sometimes a bit too much, as with the Mirror Universe.
@@brianjlevine I was happy to see the mirror verse come back. I had hoped to see a tng crossover to mirror verse. An evil Picard would have been as Kor said glorious.
@@2bituser569 it almost got silly with the Ferengi episode. Kind of lost the ruthless aspect.
But yeah, a TNG episode might have been interesting, with a swaggering, lusty Picard. Patrick Stewart would have enjoyed it.
@@2bituser569 Try reading Star Trek "Dark Mirror"
@@jimhuffman9434 I have read it. I have the hardback.
Kirk: Well, nobody wants war.
Kor: wtf?
humans : nobody wants war unless they do! :P
meaning unless the hand is forced there won't be war.
@@robinchwan Oh, that's not true, though. Humans are hypocrites in that fashion. They don't want war...unless happens.
Steven Kies Rambo says bring it on I am war!💪🤠
@@roguishpaladin Unless it's assured that we'll be victorious....I mean.. We have no other choice.
Kor: Ah, Human men. Warriors they say. But you like your war and your women the same as you like your Gagh! Cold and lifeless!
"A shame, Captain. It would have been GLORIOUS."
Gotta love Klingons.
I see his POV upto a point. The glory of battle itself was his creed and call to duty/honour as childish as this episode made it out to be. Replace the klingons with Spartans and that is exactly what you will get. Doesn't mean I agree with him, because in mirror mirror kirk said the same thing to the other Spock..."waste of lives, resources that cannot endure". That's how empires end and the glory is only fleeting and temporary at best.
@z1az285
Watched The 300 a few months ago. I remarked that the Spartans reminded me of the Klingons quite a bit.
@@tomdonahoe3539 Kinda. They're basically Space Mongols. Klingons would never be as disciplined as the Spartans were.
@@TheNerdForAllSeasons True and yet, nothing much remains of the Spartans at least in terms of buildings/ architecture or their empire because they were hyper specialized and even then had flaws which were exploited as skilled as they were.
that actor is all in ! It would have been GLORIOUS. 8)
Kor says never to being friends with the federation. sixty seconds later. "Captain it's a trick we can handle them. I have an army"
"Maxim 29. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less."
It also shows how untrustworthy he is. One moment he wants to kill you, and the next if circumstances change he will change and want to be your friend. Arbitrary. Not reliable. That makes him more deadly and dangerous.
That's not being a friend, that's being a pragmatist.
@@danieldickson8591 Exactly Besides, he was not happy unless at war. So, war against the Organians, then against the Federation.
@@NihongoGuy I know some humans like that…
You can see the look on Kirk's face when he starts getting it. Shat does a beautiful job at conveying Kirk's chagrin when he sees the light.
Yes. It's very clearly a "Whoops, did I really say that??" expression.
John Colicos...setting the standard for all Klingon actors to follow. Just brilliant.
Yes, Baltar from Battlestar Galactica 1978!
Although, William Campbell was pretty awesome.
@@wadehampton5116 yeah, he did good. But there was a nuanced quality to Colicos's performance, the way he could show admiration for Kirk while still showing ruthlessness and a desire for glory, and his disdain for the Organians.
"Fools! Will I have to kill them all?"
And when Kirk says "Well, no one wants war" and he and and Kor exchange guilty looks. Perfection.
@@brianjlevine I can't disagree. I remember reading somewhere that they were considering having a semi-regular Klingon villain that would keep bumping into Kirk every now and again. Colicos would've been perfect.
@@wadehampton5116 i had read that they wanted him for Tribbles and Day of the Dove, but he had scheduling conflicts. Glad they brought him, Ansara and Campbell back for DS9.
The look on Kirk's face, when the Organian asks him "Is that what you are defending"? - PRICELESS
Followed by an even more interesting look on Spock's face which speaks volumes.
CLASSIC
Gene Rodenderry's question to a West that was still supporting of Vietnam War and of nuclear war if needed. People thought it over when the USSR fell, but it did not last much. Now the "Federation" has a lot of "bad enemies" again. Only maybe we really live in the Mirror Universe.
It's like the people that defend the right to spread covid. And kill millions.
@@nosuchthing8 What in the world?
I am guessing you are a liberal Demonrat that is okay with murdering unborn children and defend a women's right to get one, saying it is their right to murder their unborn children because it is their body and their choice..... but not okay with applying that same thought of "my body, my choice" when it comes to whether or not we want to inject ourselves with an unproven, untested substance, when there are other proven alternatives that work and are being suppressed.
If you, your loved ones, and others in your life ARE vaccinated, then of what concern is it of yours if anyone else vaccinated anyway? You're protected, right?.... because you got the vaccine, right? You can't get the Chinees virus anymore and don't have to wear a mask anymore, right?..... because your vaccinated, right?
..... and if you still have to wear a mask and can still catch the Chinees flu after getting vaccinated, then what is the point of getting vaccinated?
The adults that have chosen NOT to get the vaccine are adults that have made an adult decision to not get vaccinated and will have to live...... or die with with that choice..... and far as them spreading the Chinees flu to anyone else, well, who is they are spreading it to? They are spreading it to others that have also decided not get the vaccine.... Not people like you that have been vaccinated.
As a side note here, why do I have to show papers to eat in a restaurant, but don't have to show papers to vote?
Why is racist to ask for an I.D. to vote, but not racist to have to show an I.D. to get married, rent a hotel room, rent a car, buy a car, buy a house, board an airplane, open a bank account, to gain entrance into a 21 and over night club, to buy alcoholic beverages, to purchase a firearm, to get medical treatment, to get a job.....?
.... but for some reason, it's not okay and racist to have to show I.D. to vote for president of the United States?
Kirk's realization at 1:59 on what horrors he was defending is one of my favorite moments in the series. That and Spock's reactions to Kirk and Kor's angry rants. We were still very much human in TOS.
PerpetualGM totally. That was the face of someone realizing they were defending the indefensible.
I know, I love the look on Spock's face as Kirk realizes the truth. Spock is like, "he's got you there Jimbo" lol.
@MrHoppers002 Yup. I can't stand how Kirk gets reduced to a skirt-chaser. He's so much more than that--for one thing, he's not afraid to apologize.
It isn't often James T. Kirk is humbled. Much less when it happens by his own words. Credit to Shatner as well. For all the flack he sometimes gets for being an over actor and ham his best Kirk moments are often the ones where he is quiet and subdued, his expressions communicating far more about what the character is thinking than words ever could.
@@FJF1085 Yep. It's a classic moment.
Props to Kor that he immediately goes from "we'll never work with the Federation!" To "yo Kirk if we team up we can take these organian jerks down!"
Kirk: "Obviously the Organians aren't going to let us fight."
Kor: "A shame, Captain. It would have been glorious."
John Colicos was absolutely fantastic as Kor. Here and in DS 8.
@@speeddemon0117 It's "Deep Space Nine."
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
This version of Kor is very practical.
Kor says "never!" but actually lived to see it on DS9.
Is it just me, or did the Dahar Master look like he had had some “work done” in between?
One my favorite DS9 episodes. Kor demonstrated the nobility, fearlessness, and bravery that defines Klingon culture at it's finest. He sacrificed his life for a greater good, the glory of a honorable death, and one that guaranteed the Dahar Master's rightful place in the Halls of Suto'vo'qor!
@@trapperjohn6089 Had to. No ridges here, but ridges in DS9? Nice work for that space plastic surgeon....
@@JBSauce They explain the lack of ridges in TOS in the star trek enterprise series.
@@Cognaxance is that like klingon walhalla?
John Colicos is greatly missed...he was awesome...🚀
And thus begins one of the greatest arcs in the history of television and film. From this episode, to Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country, to TNG: Yesterday's Enterprise, and finally to the Dominion war in Deep Space 9, we see this prophesy come to fruition.
No, the final step was Daniels telling Archer on the Enterprise-J that by the time of the battle with the Sphere Builders the Klingons had become members of the Federation.
I feel the Dominion War really solidified the Federation/Klingon Empire alliance. Martok fought very closely with Worf and the Federation, then becomes Chancellor. It is one of my favorite space alliances, especially when outside forces see it as the biggest threat
@@DooMestAnd then STO ruined that at launch because they wanted factional tension.
This makes me think of an bender line from futurama:
"The world must learn of our peacefull ways..... by force!"
I will make an assault on technology worthy of being chronicled in an Anthem by RUSH.
Well these guys had no choice- two very powerful adversaries materialize onto their home, invade their system, and threaten to wage war on a planetary scale . They were right to interfere.
The Organians made it quite clear they wouldn’t interfere unless there was no other viable option.
Lastly, the Organians didn’t act violently against anyone. Rather the only retaliation they took was to send the Feds and the Klingons packing.
The organians may be pure energy but Bender is 40% energy *bang bang*
Yes, like the U.S., and allies did to Hitler...oh wait.
The only thing I love more about this episode then how quickly the Klingon turns to the human, his sworn enemy, like, "C'mon, _we can take them,"_ is the fact that, in a room full of aliens, the one he likes most is the disguised human
I think it’s because it’s an enemy he knows and, on some level, respects
@@blackflamefegari5756 That's part of it.
The greatest fun of it is the Irony.
Not even a few seconds Before that, Kor said they would Not be friends.
Yet within a few minutes of that you can see him considering it.
“Captain… we can handle them. I have an army…”
Love that moment. Without even thinking, Kor has taken a step towards fulfilling the prophecy of the Organians. It’s like, nature - whatever is Organic - finding a way.
@@psifla99 Even funnier still is by allying with the Federation the Klingons will constantly have people to battle because Starfleet is always finding another more powerful enemy. The Dominion, the Borg, the Fen Domar. It is a constant and often very honorable battles.
@@SiXiamthe Cardassians, the romulans, the breen
Pure energy! The Information Society made this scene even more famous!
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Also McCoy's "It's worked so far but we're not out yet."
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2:04 I love the way Kor looks at Kirk when he says "No one wants war''. A true Klingon through and through.
He's clearly thinking: "Seriously?!?! WTF is wrong with you?"
Somewhere on Qo'nos, young Martok awaits an answer on his request to be an enlisted officer...
Uridien 1 :/
Martok wasnt even born during this scene. This scene is nearly 100 years before the Dominion war
Martok served as a labourer 2345-2350 after passing the entrance exam to become an Officer but receiving the mark of Kor on his record. I'd say Martok was about 20 by then so he would have been born mid 2320's, 60 years after the Organian Peace Treaty.
@MrHoppers002 yeah, it's clear he is older than Sisko but not by much, Sisko was born 2332 so even 10 years older 2322 still points to correct aging.
I love that line "...it would have been glorious..."
It's fun to see the expression on Spock's face when Kirk gets slapped around a little by the Organians.
Kirk deserved it
Spock gets it way sooner than everyone else, per usual.
Yup
"It would have been glorious" Klingon logic in a nutshell.
Here we see a hint of the honor, glory, and warrior code of the tng era.
This is why the original Star Trek was one of my favorites and the storyline behind some of the best Star Trek episodes this is one of the better episodes to thank you for putting us up here happy holidays everyone and a Happy New Year🎄🎉🎊
Klingon attitude, not logic.
It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it. ~Robert E. Lee
captcorajus As a retired veteran, I completely understand and agree with his “glorious” comment.
Somebody get Kirk to sickbay, because that Organian layed a big burn on him.
I love how quick Kor is willing to partner with Kirk to bum charge the Orgarians.
If you want enemies to make peace one of the best ways is to give both of them an even bigger enemy.
And in that instant proving the very point the Organians made about the future which Kor rejected.
@@LordZontar A future Dahar Master Kor lived to see and realize that humans are the best allies Klingon's could have.
@@Rensune - it's kind of what's needed in politics now, come to think of it.
@@ThamiumOne Short of a Literal Alien invasion, I can't think of one that would work.
Strange how the sound of the Organians transforming sounds just like a hand phaser on overload.
If we could only have these guys show up now to save the EARTH
Or even save us from all the bad Star Trek we've been getting recently.
I can see that Spock likes these aliens.
Because they harbor the same sort of logic as Vulcans.
Bromance through logic. Touche!
a lot of politicians never saw this episode
there are numerous episodes in every Star Trek series that politicians need to see. Another one that definitely applies to day is the "Past Tense" (DS9) two parter
@Isaac Graham Absolutely. As Bashir said, we've forgotten how to care
One of my top fave TOS episodes
My favourite.
One OF MY FAVORITES TOO!!!!!!!!!!! Thoughly enjoyed this clip!!!!!!!!!!!!! Within a hundred years peace and friendship!!!!!!!!!!!! Watching MR WORF on two shows BROUGHT THAT really home to ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes. This reminds me if the people that refuse to a thing to stop millions of deaths. From covid.
yes it's the best
The Q Continuum sneak-cameo'ed in all sorts of places long before Picard. Trelane and ... this.
Kirk: Well no one wants war.
Kor: Hold my blood wine.
Spock's 'well he's got you there, Jim' look at 2:01 is priceless
2:05 Kirk: "No one wants war." Klingon: "Well, actually..."
One of my favorite lines from TOS at 2:38 "Yes, please leave us. The mere presence of beings like yourselves is intensely painful to us"
an introvert's code if there ever was one.
I feel the same as the Organians.
@@majorhemroidSo do I.
What was so cool about this... you don't have to wait decades to see it unfold in TNG, DS9 etc.... once the Organians make their play, even threaten them both... Kor immediately wants to work with Kirk to take them down ;) In the minutes after the prophecy that they will one day be 'fast friends', you actually see it happening already... I loved that.
My only regret is that as much I loved The Undiscovered Country... When Kirk confronted Spock on being volunteered to extend and olive branch to the Klingons... when Kirk said 'LET THEM DIE!'... they never called back to this episode. I'd have liked Spock to say 'Jim, remember the Organians, what they told us... we must seek peace with the Klingons'. It would be a great way to bring Kirk around, nothing else the movie would change, just one line that would have tied this all together nicely.
I'd have to think that this experience made Kirk wiser... you see it when he realizes how pathetic his justification for war was. And, I think... Kor as well walked away from this a changed man...well, Klingon. Kor died buying time for Klingons to reach FEDERATION reinforcements being pursued by the Jem'Hadar. I like to think his experience on Organia guided him to that point.
All that time that passed since TOS and they still haven't become "fast friends" working together. What a missed opportunity! I did think Kirk should have made a great speech at his trial - previously he was known for great speeches, which I had seen just before this clip. Maybe they cut it, since they went straight to sentencing?
Several cast members didn't like the racism expressed by the heroes at the table in ST VI. If Kirk was prejudiced against Klingons, why didn't the admiral bring him in on the plan? If they were going to set up whoever escorted the Chancellor to Earth, then why have Kirk be so inhospitable?
@@sandal_thong8631 Because only Nixon could go to China.
Kirk never quite got over the death of his son by the Klingons.
I don’t know I think Spock can do better for the logical and moral reasons for peace than a prophecy forced upon them.
As Hatmanson mentioned, Kirk lost his only son to the Klingons, much closer to Star Trek VI than it was to this episode. The bite of that loss is what made Kirk bitter towards Klingons.
Organian: To wage war Captain? To Destroy life on a planetary scale? Is that what you're defending?
Kirk: Well...u.. ah...um...I....hmm.. ok, you got me on that one.
You realize why this is coming up now right? Its basically the same argument that antivaxers make. We have seen millions of covid deaths on a planetary scale. And the anti vaxxers argue for millions more. Because of their right to not do a thing to stop the easily preventable disease.
@@nosuchthing8 You really are clueless.
@@wrlord you are just mad because you know I'm right.
Millions of people will die. Just like in the show. And like Kirk and Kol all your arguments point to defending that outcome.
No masking, no vaxxing, no social distancing.
Anti vaxxers are covids best friend.
Oh and if you still think it's a hoax the death rate in america is up. So its definitely without question an increase in deaths, and not reclassifying other deaths as covid.
If you need a link, just ask. It's simple enough to find. But I will provide a link.
I'm using a phone so please give me the exact question you want researched.
@@wrlord Right-wing lol.
"I'm sorry Captain, but we could not permit you to harm yourselves". At least, I think that's how that notable line went. Anyway, one of my favorite episodes, with one of my favorite actors, John Abbott.
One of the greatest scenes in all Trek.
I gotta agree
This episode also proves the old truism of "Peace through Strength." Not tyranny, but the intelligent use of strength. The Organians are Uber-Pacifists, but find they are forced to stop something tragic by a "soft use" of force using their great powers to prevent a near genocidal war. Like parents reigning in unruly children.
The Organians aren't pacifists, they actively intervene in the Klingon-Federation war, That's an aggressive move. They may not be killing anyone but they aren't pacifists.
We need the Organians here now, to restrain our home grow Klingon (US) empire, while we still have a world left.
@@alexanders1309 Mankind, the space gods aren’t coming to save you. You are on your own.
@@alexanders1309 I would compare the US more to the Federation than the Klingon Empire. The Organians proved that meekness is not weakness. We secure freedoms, rights, equality (Liberty) through economic, military, political and cultural strength (morals, ethics, sound principles and a spiritual heritage).
@@alexanders1309 true. Um, our 𝘩𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘤𝘪𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦
then MUST be the equivalence to the Organians solution!
I love how DS9 brought back Kor and gave him one of the best guest star character arcs in the series. Only Garak surpassed Kor's arc.
You did notice the Organian actor was in the final episode of Kor as Martok aide I think they were there and Kor knew it as full circle
@@45580677 I didnt realize that! I'll look for it next time I watch it. I read that the actor that played Kor died very shortly after filming this episode, so he definitely went out like a Klingon master!
@@hagamapama Yeah Martok aide looks just like him as remember when he said Kor name son of and then the way he said it hit me
@@hagamapama Yup
Mikos Casidine.
Everyone has their "favorite episode". I rarely see this one mentioned. It is by far my favorite.
This is great science fiction. Pure and simple. Not the boring plotlines of so many subsequent series.
The way that the 2nd Organian said "Most Disgusting" and the second instance "You must leave!"... He had contempt for Kor and Kirk!
I love how this episode can be seen as a tie-in for the movie The Undiscovered Country (Star Trek 6), which I could well have imagined with Kor in it as well (which would have meant all the Canadian acting royalty in one place). In fact, Kor is a lot like Chang in The Undiscovered Country in hindsight; both characters stress how similar they are to Kirk, how their respective mentalities are similar. I love how the actor playing Kor brings out the ambiguities of his character - he's by far not as bad a guy as some of the Klingons we later see on TOS - at any rate he seems to be much more straightforward than they certainly.
I forgot Colicos was Canadian, too! The scenery chewing would have been...glorious.
@@nickmitsialis Yes, I know he loved to chew scenery, and that he greatly enjoyed playing villains, which he found to be much more enjoyable, i.e. less boring, than "conventional leading men". That's something very refreshing as compared to today's tendency to see every villains as "just misunderstood", and to give them backstories to match.
You DO realize this show is a tie in to the pandemic right?
@@nosuchthing8 In which way - I'd be really interested to know that...
The actor who played is none other than the lateJohn Colicos, who seems to have a knack for playing villians: Miklos Cassadine on the ABC soap opera General Hospital in the late 70s-early 80s and Baltar on the original '78 _Battlestar: Galactica._
Spock sums up this entire episode with that look after the Organian says to Kirk, "... to destroy life on a planetary scale. Is that what you're defending?"
Roddenberry made most of these shows as morality plays and this one is near the top of the list on that score. That moment sums up all of human history in a moment.
I remember this scene vividly, though not the rest of the episode. Beautifully done. "They are as far above us as we are above the amoeba." I replayed that quote in my mind for decades.
God I love this show. Never tire of it. : )
My Number #1 Episode
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Now we know where they got the clip of him saying “Pure energy” for that song.
Indeed, this is where The Information Society got their sample.
I was thinking the same thing.
That's what I was thinking... That's what was on my mind.
Well, yes, but actually, no. While Information Society wanted the clip, they got Nimoy to say the line over the phone.
Subtitles can be funny -
"you mean ice cream for war" was the text when the Klingon said, " you've been asking for war." 😂
Possibly the best single scene in all of Star Trek !
From a universe mythos standpoint, I agree, but from a pure acting and story standpoint, nothing tops the end of 'City On The Edge Of Forever"
The look on Spock's face tells you the truth of this matter.
This was easily one of my favorite episodes from Season 1...
This scene is nothing short of great. Arguably the greatest scene not only in Star Trek but in any science fiction show or film.
Roddenberry thought there should never be war in Star Trek so this was devised.
What sane human being can blame him for imagining such a future?
@@XX-sp3tt War is natural. When there's no right answer, might makes right.
@@XX-sp3tt A STD fan who loves seeing strong young adults shoot lasers at enemies.
@@cleanerben9636 that doesn't mean we can't hope to avoid it.
If no one works to avoid war it will certainly come around
@@Joesolo13 you can't avoid the inevitable. You must embrace it!
In so many ways... Ahead of its time. Thanks Gene.
Good luck to 'Jim' as he makes for that final frontier....
Right on
2:02 Spock's look clearly says "He has a point"
0:51 - love the subtitle errors! 'You mean ice cream for a war' - sounds like a good justification. How dare you threaten our ice cream!
Dammit...we need some Organians here on Earth...bring them here, by force if necessary!!!
Oh, wait...
If you truly believe that then you're already ready for the deception of the Antichrist. You'll notice in Revelation he comes riding a White Horse He is a counterfeit Christ he has a bowl with no arrows means he's using no military force Edition it goes on to say he destroys many by peace. You know people don't talk peace unless they're ready to back it up with war!
@@eric777100763 dude, why are you here???
@@eric777100763 the power of the Antichrist is nothing compared to the power of the Force.
@@FedoReds88 when you're referring to the power of the force I get the impression you're referring to the kind of details in the Star Wars TIE aspect of things you know good vs Evil thing and I understand what you're saying. I think that you misunderstand that you have two competing forces here light and darkness good and bad God in the adversary trust me the ad the series going to appear as a man that wants peace reconciliation and for people to be productive live their lives and be provided for and it will sound very wonderful but it will be very bad. Remember the Antichrist destroys mini bike peace in any God bless you keep studying and greetings from the state of Kentucky.
@@FedoReds88 I don't know to what force-e referring I'm assuming it's a Star Wars type thing. But in real life there is one power and that comes from the Almighty I hope you have a wonderful Christmas enjoy time with your family just wanted to say God bless you and greetings from the state of Kentucky!
"Captain, it's a trick. We can handle them; I have an army..."
How telling is that statement?
Thus begins the greatest arc in all of science fiction. Star Trek is about many things, and there are many story lines and plot threads, but the greatest of them all is the fulfillment of Ayelborne's words: Humans and Klingons will become fast friends, they will work together.
"The two of you will be friends in the future"
Kor, "NEVER!"
The Vorta standing in the background smiling.
Weyoun, his grin wide
@@williamrosen3179 Kirk and Kang , in the Time Trap
Ironically in the episode "A Taste of Armageddon", Kirk is the one acting like the Organians. He decides that war will cease between Eminiar 7 and another planet in the same system...and that's it. It's interesting to see the role reversal, even though Kirk's methods were more heavy-handed than the Organians.
I'm not sure that's the really the same thing. He made them consider peace by forcing actual war on them. They had been practicing something far worse. Wars actually END... their conflict was so organized and "clean" that it never did.
The problem with this episode is that Kirk's real issue is never addressed/swept under the run by the Organians. No one wants war, maybe... but the result of this peace is that millions will live in slavery under the Klingons. Maybe some of them wanted to fight for freedom. But the Organians won't let them.
Imagine if the Battle of Bull Run (in the Civil War) was about to break out. The war was fought for multiple reasons, but ultimately it boiled down to the North trying to end slavery and the South trying to preserve it. But as the war was about to commence... the Organians show up and say nope! A million people will die in this war, so you're going to make peace instead. So no one dies... but millions remain in slavery. And the conflict is never allowed to resolve, because a bunch of energy beings won't let it happen.
Perhaps, he learned.
@@Swiftbow Some wars appear "good" at the time, but longer term? In the case of the American Civil War, an economic blockade may have worked as well. With no income from the sale of tobacco and cotton, the slave states would have rebelled, but it would have been they who needed to invade - a much more difficult task as Gettysburg showed. Would they be better today with less of a chip on their shoulder? Who knows.
@@DrMikeAtOtago In that case, an economic blockade without secession was/is Unconstitutional. Regardless, sanctions of that sort rarely seem to work long term historically. Iran and North Korea are great examples.
Additionally, in your example, there is STILL a war. So I fail to see a large difference. The South wasn't going to capitulate until THEY were invaded in either scenario.
Would you have advocated merely blockading Hitler and Imperial Japan?
@@Swiftbow The slave states did secede, so that's a mote point. Economic sanctions can work - South Africa being the prime example. As to Germany and Japan, probably not as they had built huge military forces for the obvious purpose of expansion. As you no doubt know, Japan attacked because of economic sanctions by the US. Nonetheless, war is something to be avoided and alternatives must always be considered. The US should be acutely aware of this after wasting lives and money on Iraq, Afghanistan, and "The War on Drugs".
This is what happens when you have a good writer and good actors who were classically trained in a very poignant, emotional, and personal for some viewers, during the Cold War and a year before the peak of the Vietnam War.
To truly appreciate this episode you have to know your history.
You know it's going to be a great episode when Kor shows up. In fact, I believe this was the character's very first appearance.
This is his only appearance on TOS. Then 3 appearances on DS9 30 some years later.
Thank you for posting this great scene.
This is my number one favorite episode of the whole series. The Organians were what humanity should strive to be - Pure beings of energy and peace.
I think Kor was one of my all-time favorite Klingons. He was pretty cool.
This clip(And this episode) had me thinking about a Star Trek novel written back in the 1970s called "Spock Must Die". In it, The Klingons develope a force field that traps the Organians on their homeworld. The Klingons then launch a suprise attack on The Federation. The Enterprise, meanwhile, is exploring uncharted space BEHIND the Klingon Empire. Kirk initially plans to use the Enterprise to cause as much damage to the Empire by attacking from their position. However, Spock developes a way to convert a transporter into a long range tachyon transporter in order to send someone to Organia to find out whats wrong. But when the tachyon transporter beams hits the Klingon force field, two Spocks are created; one of them good, the other evil and both of them logical.
Its been forty years so thats all I remember but it was a good, non canon novel.
Indeed. And Scotty complained about the lack of pockets in the standard uniform.
That was, in fact, the very first Star Trek novel.
This is a recurring theme throughout Star Trek- comming in contact with highly evolved entities. Wonder how they cope with each other.
John Colicos always played a great villain.
He came back on Deep Space Nine as Kor 30 years later.
@@dalemcilwain In two (2) different episodes. He was such a great actor and one of my "Star Trek" favorites. He also played a good villain as "Baltar" in the original "Battlestar Galactica."
@@southtexasprepper1837 John Colicos got his flowers on DS9.in 3 episodes, one a 2 parter. Kor went out in a blaze of glory in the final season in DS9.
@@dalemcilwain I stand corrected. Thanks.
@@southtexasprepper1837 If you didn't watch DS9? You are in for a treat.
This is why Boltar went over to the Cylons - the Organians prevented him from taking over the Alpha quadrant.
Cylons? Are you talking about Star Trek, or Battlestar Galactica?
@@wdd3141 I always loved how Colicos played both characters so well. Good bad guy. Good reference.
This was so well written and acted.
Amazing how they make both sides look so petty, barbaric and childish.
Just superb writing.
One of the best episodes along with “Mirror Mirror”.
Pure energy. So this is the episode that song from the 80’s took that from.
Information Society - "What's On Your Mind (Pure Energy)"
Fantastic song from a great album.
You gotta admire both the fact that Kirk wasn't presented as the grown-up in this scene, and that he was visibly back-tracking over his emotions and beliefs to what the Organians were saying and TRYING to grow up and live up to the Federation's ideals. He'd go through the same trial twenty-some years later at Khitomer.
It's Baltar.
By your command.
Balter was awesome as well as Lucifer portrayed by Jonathan Harris, another sci-fi legend.
One of the best scenes in the entire TOS.
And years later the Information Society would use Spock’s “pure energy” for a hit song
I always wondered which episode that came from. And now I know. I want know what you're thinking . . . . . .
_I wanna know... What you're thinking... 🎶_
I always thought it was from an interview Nimoy did with ET regarding Star Trek III. He says Spock could come back as "pure energy"
They also used Kirk saying "It is useless to resist us" from the episode Mirror, Mirror
Why can't the new Star Treks today be more like this?
Because, as flawed as they may have been, we're not like the creators of that show, today.
Because producers and writers today are PC idiots
The movie studios have found the "formula" that brings in the bucks at the box office. From now on any movie by any major studio will be pretty much the same. It's the same reason that all pop music sounds so similar. It's the money formula. The lowest common denominator that makes the money.
@@theophilusthistle1988 What are you talking about? Gene Roddenberry was as PC as you can get... Trek has always been PC...
@@AhsokaTanoTheWhite Gene Roddenberry was a classical liberal, not a PC communist.
As I write this, Bill Shatner is just a few hours away from going into space in a rocket!! I wonder what he would have said back then if someone told him he would do that at age 90!
2:01 Spock facial expression: "Good point, he got you there Captain"
I do so love seeing Baltar as a Klingon!
Not to mention, Quinn, from War of the Worlds.
One thing I always found odd about Star Trek - the likes of the Klingon Empire, Federation, Romulan Empire, etc, are supposed to be the major powers in the Alpha Quadrant. Yet every other episode there's some advanced aliens or other that can pluck them like a chicken.
Humanoid powers. They are the most powerful at their scale of being. Just like how countries like the US or China or Russia or (insert preferred country here) are the great powers of our time, but they can all still be taken down by an organism at a different scale (like COVID-19)
The best episode, ever!!!!
"The mear presence of beings like yourselves is intensely painfully to us". Now that line got me.....those are the kind of ETs I wanna meet...Spoke "Facinating, Pure Energy, Pure Thought"......obviously the organians are as far above us on the evolutionary scale as we are above the amoeba these writers were inspired...
Yeah, but they don't want to meet us.
amoebas everywhere are holding up their single cell signs and chanting in protest.
Thier crys go unheard in thier petredish
BioCellular Lives Matter?
@@kamxam1384 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾🤣😉😊😁
We're pure energy, somebody trapped us in these meat suits!
LeAnn Winter “Luminous beings are we! Not this crude flesh!”
Yoga in Empire Strikes Back
Anthony Cruz crude matter
@@hiltondriver5054 Thank you, dear stranger!!
Not meat suits. Encounter suits.
How dare the Orgainians! Trying to meddle in the affairs of the UFP and the Klingon Empire! Just think about the historic sagas that would have been written as Kirk and Kor faced each other in Glorious Battle! I'm joking, of course. I've loved this episode and this scene in particular since I was a little boy. Kirk and Kor are scolded like children that cannot stop misbehaving without parental intervention. Good stuff!!!
Even the Q don't mess with the Orgainians
@@samuelatwood9924 I'm fairly sure that the shenanigans of the Q are intolerable by Orgainian standards.
@Daniel Appleton I agree with the Ascended comparison but , unfortunately I've never watched Babylon 5. I've seen every episode of every series of Trek, excluding STD. It's suprising that I've never watched Babylon 5. Was it also a Roddenberry creation? Also, did Walter Koing play a villain at some point in the series?
I imagine the Orgainians were ticked off at the idea of a blood bath happening on their front doorstep.
@@XX-sp3tt I believe that your assessment is quite accurate. It would have been painful for the Orgainians with the residual negative energy lingering in their home. Had they not put a halt to the violence , they would have held themselves partially responsible.
I like the closeups of Kor and Kirk raging about their right to battle, interspersed with spook's 'Really captain?' look. We need the Organians now.
Kor: "We can take them, captain, we have an army!"
Kirk: "We have a Hulk..."
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Felt like how in 'Interstellar' Cooper finds himself inside a Tessaract, build by future highly evolved human consciousness of 'Pure Energy' Bulk beings! 🍷
Q: "What Right do you have?"
A: "Power"
John Colicos (Kor)) has that wonderful ability to make Being the Bad Guy look like So Much Fun! He did it again with Battlestar Galactica. Who is like him now?
The band Information Society and the song What's On Your Mind used Spocks "Pure Energy " quote from this clip.
Too bad it has not been referenced in ST-DS9. Kor, Kan and Kolos appear together in one episode dedicated to them (Blood Oath I think). Love Spock’s face in this scene btw!
Kor was in a few episodes of DS9
So many things in TOS never appeared or referenced again. Not only the numerous species that were every bit as powerful as a Q, but technologies and techniques that would have been so useful 100 years later. Like using the Slingshot Maneuver to tick time back and fix problems ("Tomorrow is Yesterday" and Star Trek IV the Voyage Home), or setting ship's phasers to stun to knock out a bunch of people on the surface ("A Piece of the Action")
Minor correction, 2nd Klingon in your note was spelled Kang. Otherwise correc .
Kor, Kang, & Koloth.
A great episode. I wish the world leaders at the U.N. would watch this. They might actually learn something. Humanity must evolve and grow up. We are infants.
The Organians knew Praxis was going to explode. They loved their math predictions. Doesn't always work though. They certainly didn't expect first contact with humans and klingons so quick.
William shatner is a great man and a good actor the original Star Trek is a great series I like it better than the second series.