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I get the joke about Kayako's "cricket" noise, but I'd be remissed if I didn't point out that she was killed through violent strangulation so that noise is her death croak through destroyed vocal chords. Toshio's meowing is a bit more steeped in the culture where it implies he merged with the family's dead cat, but also ties into the thought that souls of lost children in Japan become stray cats.
If I remember correctly, he merged with the cat bc the father drowned him in the bathtub, and did the same to the cat right after, which explains it. And the bit about children becomming stray cats could also be a huge inspiration to the whole ordeal
I've never heard that lore of lost children becoming stray cats. Is it like a sweet kind of reincarnation idea? Or more of a morbid scary story to make stray cats invoke death and fear in people?
@@feathero3 I guess it depends from area to area. from what i have experienced, it is so people are not cruel to stray cats because they see them as lost children. that's why stray cats are so loved and cared for in some parts of japan.
@@СевернаяЗвезда-в9мthey were a big blob when the crashed into eachother. My theory is that they fully merged in yuri's body, since she was just down there.
It's Yuri's life force and soul that had the potential to trap the onryo, as he said, they were too strong , so instead they used her life force /energy as a conduit for their combined jaki (evil spirit) so that they could easily break the wards and free themselves.
Usually when a crossover battle is done the two opposing forces kind of contrast each other. The problem here is that Sadako and Kayako both fill a similar niche.
Can you imagine if Freddy vs Jason ended doing a fusion dance in the end? That would be messed up! Unless it was done on the sequel of Freddy vs Jason vs Ash that I'm not aware of.
My mum told me that she and my dad watched The Ring (the Western version) together one night. And after it had finished, the phone rang. Turns out it was my aunt wanting to talk to my dad. But it gave my mum the biggest fright. So whenever I think of The Ring, I always think of that story. But I don't blame her, I think I'd be freaked out too.
Can't be as bad as when one of my mom's friend screamed because there was a snake under her car...just mere moment after finishing watching Snakes on a Plane.
I think somebody was half listening to a wrestling match and when a commentator declared "They're going to settle this grudge in the ring!" a horrible little idea popped into their head
"Ohoho, man! You gotta make some noise for Tokyo's very own ring dominatrix! In the left corner, the spawn of a sea demon, the girl at the bottom of the well, and an opponent from Hell... SADAKOOOOOOOOOOOO! And in the right corner, a death croak can be more potent than a shout, and the wielder of an ancient grudge certainly makes a compelling case for this. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for... KAYAKOOOOOOOOOOO!"
idk why but the ending premise makes me chuckle "We'll get these two unstoppable demons to kill each other off to end their curs- wait what do you mean we made it worse?"
I was expecting there to be SOME kind of reaction to Sadako apparently just permanently killing Toshio given he's just gone after getting sucked into the TV. Like Kayako getting some kind of rage boost over her son and tearing Sadako apart for at least a little bit. Or at least have him appear in the new tape along with his new Double-Mom.
@@Lawrence_Talbot Let me actually answer your question here instead of just mocking you like the other person Nexpo and Wendigoon are both TH-camrs that fill similar niches. Nexpo is the only one I'm subscribed to and actively watch; he looks over real occurrences or analog horror (mostly) and analyzes them in his videos, to sum it up in a nutshell Meanwhile, Wendigoon does similar things. I believe has a few videos describing "icebergs" of things that most people consider creepy, but I've only seen a couple of his videos If you're curious, look them up. It'll take 10 seconds each to go to their channel and glance at their recent video titles, and it'll give you a much better sense of their content than my lackluster description
The perfect conclusion to this story would've been for The Priest to construct the well DIRECTLY outside Kayako's house as a final middle finger to the two onryos. Make Kayako watch the tape which would also lure Sadako into the house. They each would be a target to each other. Creating an Ouroboros loop of them killing one another till eternity. The well would be a last ditch effort so if they tried to pursue one of the girls, they would both jump into the well and be sealed there together. Duking it out in a lightless environment until some dumb teenager opens it a few years later for a sequel movie
Fun fact the reason grudge makes the croaking noise is because the husband snapped her neck and thats the last noise she was able to make before her death
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 While it’s not exactly a fun fact, I doubt it’s in a wiki trivia section because that’s literally part of the movie. I guess it’s only a fun fact or wiki trivia piece to people who have little to no knowledge of The Grudge.
Okay so the part with him tricking the three kids into coming into the house actually gives me a different vibe. I don't know if anyone else remembers but there was a Goosebumps story and episode where group of teenagers convinced another one to go into a haunted house so then he could join their Club. He supposedly stayed in there for a certain amount of time and then they went in to go get him to congratulate him for joining the club or whatever. Instead the ghost in the house actually reveals to them that that boy they forced into the house left forever ago, in exchange for his soul staying with him he promised that a group of souls would come in and he could have them. Now sure this turned out differently but it gives me the same vibe
That would work considering that concept was brought up in the Netflix series. That one guy theorized he "survived" to further spread the word of the curse to lure more potential victims to the house.
Honestly, the idea of making the two fight is a good idea, but the psychic should've just warded the house when Sadako entered. The best way to solve it would honestly have been to just play the video on a phone and show it to The Grudge. She'd be the target and the two would be locked in a fight forever. Then just ward the house and lock it and call it a day.
That solution would work only under the implication that the spirits can manifest at one place at a time. I was under the impression, that once the spirit latches onto you, you basically get a "copy" of them following you everywhere until they decide that your time is up. That's how I felt at least when watching the grudge movies, because Kayako would manifest herself at the same time to different victims on different locations. This would mean that they could do infinite battle at the house while also killing all their cursed victims around the globe at the same time, well Sayako at least since the video went viral online.
@@branospevak4098 yeah and in the grudge movies, wherever you die, which may not be at the cursed house, creates a new curse point from where kayako can curse you, basically spreading itself
@Brano Spevak Eh, you could say to fight Sada, Kaya has to absorb her copies to get a power boost. Since Sada is both a powerful psychic and half lovecraftian sea beast while Kaya was just a normal very upset woman
maybe the only way is to not let the curse come out of the house is to let those who are cursed to be in the house and be killed too. Else Sadako/Kayako could still hunt them down. Then only can they ward the house off, letting Kayako and Sadako fight each for eternity.
I was 13 yrs old when the first American remake of the Grudge came out in theaters and let me tell you Kayako's death rattle still puts me on edge to this day.
besides both sadako and kayako fighting, i will always remember this movie because of the psychic guy and his sidekick, blind girl with red drip. i think those two should have been in a whole different movie about themselves
The plot point of Natsumi uploading Sadako's video to the internet, in addition to the Sadako/Kayako fusion and new cursed video, makes me think they could easily make an 'End of the World'-style movie with the fused ghost. Think about it... SADAKAYA: ARMAGEDDON
I have such mixed feelings. Listen, I laughed to tears watching this. It's the most beautiful and perfect loophole abuse ever. Kayako is territorial af, Sadako has an exclusive claim on all kills. The moment Sadako enters the house to chase a target, Sadako herself becomes a target. It's like an ouroboros. They will be locked in combat eternally. But why on EARTH would you spoil that beautiful, magical solution trying to seal them? The problem solved itself! Just leave the house! You have created a perfect, self-contained kaiju battle with onryo! Don't mess with it! Neither one of them is going to come out of that the victor! Like, on the one hand the fused Lovecraftian superghost actually managed to look unsettling and that's super impressive to me. But on the other hand, I'm so upset because by just making them a single ghost the beauty of the loophole was ruined. All I wanted was shameless, unapologetic loophole abuse to go rampant forever. Proper loophole abuse is so rare in storytelling. They had it. They HAD it. The fused ghost just isn't as powerful by comparison. Disappointed. Exorcist performance went from a solid 10/10 for coming up with the idea to 4/10 because he botched the job himself. Coulda had it all, man. God damn it. Will not be recommending services to any of my haunted friends. Best he can do is a consultant position at this point.
@@ivanlugo8474 Depends on whether Sadako can herself be cursed by the house. Because if she can, the moment she entered she got a permanent target put on herself. No matter where else she goes, even if she tries to take out targets who never entered the house--Kayako is coming for her. You're not safe from Grudge ghosts if you step in the house then leave. House just defines where you can catch the curse, not where the curse can kill you. The only real complication I think would be if Kayako got other living targets who weren't also cursed by Sadako, she might be able to put Sadako duty on pause to kill them. Sort of like if you're getting homework assignments where one's an essay from hell but the others are quick and easy. All need to get done but maybe you can knock out small stuff before the worst bit. Antidote to the Grudge curse is literally to watch Sadako's movie and vice versa, but you only have so much time if you go into the house first.
I think it was shown that Sadako is a much powerful curse than Kayako so they tried to seal them both instead. What they didn't account for is that both ghosts can possess a human being so they merged. I do like the idea that everytime Sadako emerges, Kayako is just there to get killed alongside the victim.
The wheeled in TV was actually a solid idea. They know from 2 previous experiences that Sadako makes her presence known to whoever just watched it; so their assumption would be that she would appear regardless of another negative energy being present.
The man who directed this movie is known for his strange style of horror. The eccentric characters, occultism, spiritualism, and the bizarre humor. If you have shudder I recommend Noroi The Curse. It is another film directed by him, I'd have to say it is the most "real" and creepiest found footage horror out there.
it isn't j-horror but i guess you could call it au-horror, which is lake mungo. it's a mockumentary "found footage" film that pulls off the story and visuals so well im fairly certain a good chunk of people believed it to be a true story. its not ram packed full of scares but the tension, atmosphere, acting and the feeling of stress and a general sense of dread makes it awesome
I think what I like about this movie is how much personality is in it. Everyone has these fun silly expressions, there’s a pair of psychics who are both hilarious in their tone and efforts, the villains are amazing of course.
You had to be in Asia when this movie was airing to truly understand how hilarious the ads for it were, the ring has always been a Horror classic for a while at that point and that this movie appeared out of nowhere. Trucks of huge Sadako popping out of the back, and many other weird Japanese styled ads made this a really fun topic at the time
Fun fact about abandoned houses like this. Apparently they're all over the place, and you can have them for "free" minus fees and taxes and all that of course. So technically you too can own a real grudge house for relatively little money. Watched another video about a guy that lives in an abandoned school in the mountains.
ohhh, i think i watched a video about that one long ago. he made it into a real cozy place, i think it's also the same guy who converted one of the rooms into a private café and it looked so nice. would be an ideal location to live in if it weren't the fact it was an abandoned school lmao
The shot of the two curses smashing into each other over the well is the shot of Denji and the katana devil clashing in the chainsaw man intro…..what a revelation that was
From my understanding, Kayako Pros: Has backup haunters Cons: Bound to house and house occupants Sadako Pros: Haunt can spread to anybody with sight Cons: Haunt is on a dead media form
Kayako is only bound to the house in that is the only place where you can be cursed, but she stalks you whenever you go. Leaving the house don't save you from being killed by her. In all the grudge movies you see her killing people in other places.
Kayako is absolutely not bound to the house. The initial curse is in the house. If you enter, kayako stalks you until she decides to kill you wherever you may be. At that point, the place where she kills you becomes a new cursed place, spreading itself with each death. And sadako, well people can copy the video and, like you saw here, it can be uploaded to the internet, basically spreading it everywhere.
So, Kayako isn’t just bound to the house and the videos have been put on multiple different mediums so Sadako is most definitely not on “dead media form.”
Kayako isn't bound to the house, that's just the way the curse takes you, once you go in, nothing can save you. In fact the curse is so strong it breaks time and space, you can even get cursed before entering the house if you're going to go in at some point in the future.
I remember being in japan when this movie was coming out and seeing the wierdest advertisment campaigns. I think my favorite one was a baseball game where both characters showed up and played.
I honestly kind of love the ending of them merging like that. It looked really stupid, but I love the concept bc they are very similar but still very distinct characters. And I love that it doesn't paint one as more powerful than the other, they're both equally as powerful and even stronger together
I think the reason why they changed it from 7 days to 2 days was due to Kayako herself being unbound by a time limit. When someone is cursed by Kayako, she can kill anyone at anytime anywhere, while Sadako usually has to wait for a week before she can take any lives. Because Kayako doesn’t have this limitation, she can take more souls at a faster pace and get stronger from this process than Sadako. Not only that, but her curse is also inescapable while Sadako’s is escapable, so Sadako’s only advantage against Kayako would be her telekinesis while Kayako has more advantages than her weaker opponent (Sadako could be empowered by the internet, but in the film, she didn’t have enough time to claim any souls before facing Kayako). In other words, Sadako was buffed while Kayako was nerfed.
@@thuropendragon7498 Canonically, in the Ringu franchise she has to wait 7 days after someone watches the tape until she can claim them. On the other hand, in the Ju-On franchise Kayako has no such limitations. She can kill you at any time. Taking these two things into consideration, Sadako has a clear weakness compared to Kayako. Hence why Sadako was obviously severely buffed while Kayako was obviously severely nerfed in "Sadako vs Kayako"..
Ah, interesting. My boyfriend and I were discussing the time change as well. We came to the conclusion that because they're both urban legends, they get twisted and changed over time. So we just figured that's where the change came from.
The scene where the main character make her friend watch the tape while she's on the phone is hilarious. I liked this one, it's a simple yet fun film made with a lot of respect for the originals.
Thank you for clarifying ‘passing the curse.’ They could have definitely created an endless loop of curse passing to avoid death. Imagine having to watch a shitty snuff film every 2 days lmfao
I always thought that the reason why people wind up watching the VHS tape despite the obvious danger is that they're compelled to watch the tape, paranormally forced to observe.
If anyone is at all curious, the reason Kayako croaks like that is it's supposed to be the sound of her trying to breathe after her husband broke her trachea (after slitting her throat, natch; never known the Japanese to leave a job half-finished)
@悪רשעEᴠɪʟDᴀʀᴛʜ¥ōᴋᴀiXشبح الشر كافر It would be simple. Find the tape, contain it somewhere, let Sadako finish off the last few people who watched it before the Foundation locked it up, and just make sure no copies made it online. If any did, dispatch a few MTFs, administer amnestics, delete the files and all copies from whatever systems they're on, then move on. She'd be effectively harmless at that point, except maybe to some poor D-class who might be forced to watch the tape. Kayako? That might be a little bit more difficult, but as long as nobody goes inside the house, they would be fine, so just put a bunch of guards, fences, and fortifications around it. The combination of the two? Dunno. Maybe a combination of both methods would work? The issue is that she's more like 096 than anything, so she'd be nearly impossible to completely contain, but as long as nobody views the tape, or enters the house, they would probably be okay, so maybe combining both methods would work. Then again, she might behave entirely differently, so who knows. They'd just throw more D-class at the problem until they figured something out.
I agree with your take on the Wesstern version of the tape. It's the one part on rewatch that feels like "film-student just watched Eraserhead for the first time" or something that Gabe from The Office (US) would make and kills the mood a bit.
They make reference to that in the film itself I think. Weirdly I would say that the better film to watch if you want a western take on Ring is Wes Craven's New Nightmare, which has a lot of suspiciously similar elements, even down to Freddie spreading his influence through VHS tapes and his lair being a hole in the ground filled with water, plus he's despatched by acting out a remake of the original film (paralleling creating a copy of the VHS in Ring).
The sound the grudge woman make is from her injuries while she was dying after being beaten. Her throat was injured to a point that was the only noise she can make. Her limbs was also so badly injured, thats why she is crawling down the stairs like that. I think in the original film when she was crawling down the stairs is like a play back of her trying to run away from her husband after he badly beats her.
I went on a Japanese horror binge 6 months back watching ringu and the original grudge and this was the climax I finished the binge on it was a hilarious treat its by no means as good as the originals but it's a fun time and I'd love to see the fused form in another movie where they fight other beings like the slit faced woman
I've always loved Toshio in the curse of the Grudge. He acts as his mother's lure. Even in this cursed afterlife, he loves his mother and will do anything for her. It's strangely sweet in a deeply twisted way.
That is a very sweet and non-asian way of perceiving it! Fun fact: In general Asian folklore around spirits (particularly of vengeance), they become consumed by their obsession and a mere shadow of the live version of themselves. It's more likely that the mother who died and is obviously the source of the "grudge" unintentionally (or intentionally) pulled her son into the curse with her due to the proximity of their deaths. Powerful emotions/energy are like whirlpools/black holes that suck in nearby spirits. Something as powerful as a grudge curse would likely enslave anything nearby to it as a victim to forever perpetuate the curse just as the spirits of those who die to the grudge continue to serve it in some way. ~ Former Shaman of my Southeast Asian Ethnic Nomadic Hill Tribe.
@@raggynolaHello Mr. Shaman. I recently watch the cursed video tape in the grudge house. The last shaman I spoke with suggested getting Sadako/kayako to merge with Mimiko, the one missed call curse. I did that, but now my phone won’t stop ringing all the time. And I’m seeing sleep paralysis demons when I’m not sleeping. Got any solutions? I’m really at my wits end here.
Honestly this should have ended the two spirit fighting in the house for eternity with the girls in constant fear of one of them winning to claim their promised
Sadako is more interesting and in theory more powerful, yet has a slightly more forgiving curse, and kayako is simple with less absurd power, but an unavoidable curse of infinite anger and pain through a violent death.
@@Junuman1 in a sense, you could prevent your death from the video by making others watching it or you know, just don't watch the damn video in the first place. While Ju on (Kayako), if you stepped into the house kayako and his son were killed, voluntarily or forced to, you will die regardless. If you interact in anyway to people that have entered the house despite you yourself never even go near the house, you will die. If somehow you still not dead, the curse planning to use you to spread more of it influence and then you die. Basically, in ju on, you will die no matter what and not before you being tortured by the haunting. Did I tell you, Ju-on also involved time loop and travel shit?
@@planbrent I agree that Sadako is stronger, but Kayako isn’t too far behind her because Kayako can just pull you into an infinite void no matter where you are. So it’s not too much less of an absurdity lol
Good to know you got over your fear of Sadako lol. My older sister is 37 and still terrified, you can't even mention Sadako around her because it freaks her out so much.
I've heard a lot about Sadako before, but never Kayako before (at least not by name). Being introduced to Kayako through this video, holy shit Kayako is scary! The way she moves combined with the clicking of her bones and the horrific vocal noises she makes of someone constantly on the verge of death as they desperately try to shout out for help/breathe... From how you described Kayako and how Kayako's son acted as a ghost, I thought I knew what to expect; boy was I wrong! Also, in the context of the review, because Kayako didn't show up that much, she was so much more terrifying than Sadako. With Sadako, after a while you sort of get used to her paranormal activities. The way she appears, the hair she leaves behind, etc. (being familiar with Sadako myself likely played a factor too). With Kayako, she's properly introduced so late into the film, it's hard to get used to how she acts. I need to watch/read the Ju-on films at some point. I'll make sure to go in expecting less aggression from Kayako and her son. Overall, this was an awesome video. 👍
Honestly can't recommend the grudge enough. Both ghosts are expertly crafted both as monsters and characters. Kayako was beaten into a pulp. Her legs broken and finally her neck snapped. Hence why she's covered in blood, crawls instead of walks and she makes that constant gurgling sound. Her son on the other hand was drowned along side the family cat so his skin is a sick blue and he meows to announce his presence. He's also not a vengeful spirit (atleast not compared to kayako) and in the first movie its a twist reveal kinda that he's dead because unlike his mother he can return to his human form and talk/act mostly normal.
I strongly recommend the original Japanese Ju-On (Grudge) movies for more on Kayako. The American remake wasn't so bad, it was better than the remake of Ring, but the originals were way better.
@zaltain the shade I'll make sure to watch the movie series when I get the chance, I'm super intrigued to see more of Kayako and her son, even if they might give me nightmares. Holy shit. O_O It goes without saying, but damn, that's beyond brutal. The context makes her even more terrifying, it's horrifying to think about; especially when you wonder about what she's trying to say, only to end up as gurgling. Is it a cry for help? Is it cries of pain? Is it anger-fueled curses? Goddamn, poor Kayako... Oh damn, I never would've guessed the son was drowned. Although, I admit, I didn't realize his skin was a sick blue, I thought it was grayish (given its sick blue, makes sense why I mistook it for gray). To think Kayako's son and the family cat died from such means... And ooooohhhhhhhh, I see, that's really interesting. The crossover movie gave me the impression he was a vengeful spirit on the same/similar level to Kayako given he took part in the killing.
@@EvilRobotSteve Yee, my plan is to watch the original Japanese movies, and maybe the American remake(s) after watching all the originals. It feels more appropriate to watch the originals first before the remake imo.
@@protocol72 well the son does become more violent as the series countiued but in the original I don't think he actually kills anyone. Fair warning this could be seen as a spoilor but in the first movie the set up is a new family move into kayako's house and once they're settled they fined a strange boy. The boy doesn't talk much but does introduce himself as toshio. The majority of the movie toshio is just kinda this weird kid who doesn't talk much and just appears around the house randomly. It isn't until kayako starts actively hunting the couple that toshio reveals his true form as a ghost as again a kind of mini twist in the movie. (Side note it's been awhile so I might not be remembering this 100% accurately but this is roughly how I remember the first movie)
Your reaction to Ring was my reaction the The Grudge. I saw it when I was 13, I think? Loved it but damn, I'm 29 now and still have nightmares about Kayako sometimes... Ju-On is my favourite horror franchise of all time.
Maybe a weird compliment, but I love your voice/the way you narrate your videos. It makes everything you talk about even more interesting :) you're my favorite youtuber rn!
19:13 Was happy that Koji Shiraishi got another excuse to bring out a rockstar psychic type character into another movie. He had one in the second entry of a what one could argue was a trilogy of Occult 2009, Cult 2013, and A Record Of Sweet Murder 2014, two parts interstellar/interdimensional holy war where Earth is just a random rock that was drawn into a proxy war and one part heartwarming(?) side story within the same universe. People pretty much only know him as either the Noroi guy if they're into found footage horror or Grotesque guy if they're into torture prawn horror, but his whole body of work is a very wild ride of humor, body horror, cursed spaghetti, demonetizable assault, celebrities, and analogue cameras. The only director in the world that would ever write out a script and then film a story about an elder god becoming a pop star.
I love the Ju-On movies. They get more and more ridiculous as they go up on numbers. I remember one where it ends implying that the whole city is now part of Kayako's curse. Because in the movies, when you get cursed by Kayako and die, the place where you die becomes a new curse from where she can get you. So she killed so many people that the entire town is a giant curse. There's also one where an actress goes into the house for a film or whatever, and she gets cursed. But oh no, she's pregnant! And Kayako has possessed her unborn child. In the end, the woman gives birth and Kayako is reborn as a human child. The movie ends with child Kayako pushing her mother from some stairs killing her. They even dress and makeup the child to look like a young Kayako, it's pretty creepy for how dumb it is
Only a horror movie sequel could come up with something that insane and ridiculous. Gotta admit though, that's an interesting concept for horror. I have to wonder how that would end up working. Like, did she exchange her ghostly powers for a second chance at life, or does she still have them? What happened to *her* kid? Is he stuck as a ghost while his mom runs off, alive again? And does she even use that opportunity to have another chance at life? So many questions. Again, only a horror movie sequel could come up with something like that.
2:04 Child's Play did that to me. Not only did I have a doll that looked exactly like Chucky when the movie came out, that my friend ended up stabbing with pens and throwing out the 6th floor window in order to make me feel better, but I had one of those Mickey Mouse dealies that you could pop a cassette in his belly and he would sing you songs. My grandma gave it to me and I adored it...until Chucky came out. I was so terrified of it that I made my mother bury it in the closet until we moved out
Thanks for summarizing this movie cause I didn’t wanna waste time watching it 😂😂😂. For anyone wondering, you can watch it in shudder. I also realized this is probably where Phasmophobia the game got their idea for one of the appearances for the ghost. It looks like sadako, but crawls and makes the clicking noises as it does. 😂
Bruh, "this fucked my shit up" and turning the TV around at night made me laugh so much. I can relate, but it was with the movie CandyMan. The house where I grew up had a mirror above the toilet, I remember going to toilet and pissing at a diagonal angle so I wouldn't have to look at the mirror while I took a piss at night lol
Hey man not sure if you read comments but ive been loving your videos! I legit download all of them to watch on my phone in the trainride to my girlfriend. You legit make the most boring part of my weekends a million times more enjoyable thank you for the amazing content!
Before I knew of the original I watched the excellent American remake of The Ring when it first came out when I was a teenager. It scared the hell out of me, especially the part in the beginning when the mother recalls how she found her daughter deceased in the closet, saying “I saw her face” and then the movie cuts to the closet door opening and showing the girl with her black and blue and twisted face. Those 3 seconds of the film gave me nightmares for real.
I remember seeing the Grudge for the first time at Ft.Bragg in 04. I was 18 and had just finished infantry school and Airborne school. I was in a theater filled with guys who had either just gotten home from a rotation or were preparing to deploy, more than one of us said “Nope.” And walked out 😂
I'll never forget watching a stream of this movie years ago where they replaced the exorcism scene's dialogue with Harry Potter spells in the subtitles.
As a Graduate Student - I can actually tell you that it’s not inaccurate that you’ll find Tenured Professors that actually do specialize in urban legends, myths, folklore, etc. Like - if anything, this is probably one of the most accurate representations of a Tenured Professor ever!
Tangible not at all, it would be convoluted, as these usually are, to have them meet lol. But... the fans can't help but wonder, and yet this doesn't satisfy either fandom.
I gotta say, that cricket joke proper made me shut myself laughing, I died mid game to just stop and take a breather, your commentary is honestly top notch
Ok so, after sadakaya is born and there's new version of the cursed tape to go with it, does the old version still take effect or is it obsolete now that there is a new version? Since natsumi uploaded the old version and was watched/downloaded, therefore cursing thousand of people, would they still die now that there is a new version? I demand a sequel to answer this burning question
Now all that's left is Robocop vs Terminator and we'll be in crossover heaven, or hell depending if they take influence from the new Robocop and Terminator movies
My daughter and I watched this movie a few years ago as part of 31 Days of Halloween. Neither of us really understood what was going on, but the movie definitely gave us a lot of laughs.
Dude...when you mentioned Yakuza, you should definitely make videos about the Yakuza games. Youve grown so much from mocking bullshido to actually great essay videos!
I remember watching every single commercial promoting this on NipponTV & morning nippon shows. Hilarious stuff! They did baseball, that UFC like stare down, fast foods etc...
im suprised that you can put so much in information so well delivered in so few time. Just well made. This video is funny but also held in a serious way. good one
The way they ran and slammed into each other was goofy, but having them merge, or rather one subsume the other, is kind of a cool concept because it's reminiscent of the ancient curse ritual of kodoku (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodoku) whereby power is concentrated into a single being.
When I saw The Ring for the first time as a kid , I knew absolutely nothing about it. I distinctly remember the closest scene gave me a nightmare only once lol.
Y'know, the funniest thing to me is that they didn't exactly think this through. I mean, if you're both cursed, clearly at least one of you will die if one of the Curses wins. I mean, I guess they realized it later on, but what did they expect? ..... Jesus, I didn't expect the curses to MERGE. What does this mean!? How do the curses work now? Do you have to watch the tape in the house now? How do you get cursed? ... Is this what homeworld thinks of fusion?
I think the noise that the grudge mother makes is supposed to be a death rattle. When you die, the last breath can often sound like that clicking noise. Just a guess😅
Always thought the scene where keizo gets cut in half when sadako and kayako merge was stupid, it's a blink and you'll miss it scene, at night and no one acknowledges it. Just felt unceremonious and unfair that he got that end during that integral moment. Would've liked to see him live a bit longer? Atlest long enough to see the two onryo's merge.
It's also terrible how the woman claims keizo is the only one to stop the curse BUT HE JUST ENDS UP MAKING IT WORSE. literally no different to the professor, atlest keizo knows some Dr strange esc hand gestures to buy the victim some extra time but that's all he can do. Buy extra time. Still a cool movie but ugh. Keizo just feels like a wasted character. The nerve of the girl trash talking the professor when keizo also cannot stop the curse, just *huh???*
MY favorite subgenre of crossovers is "Some crazy bastard thinks the best way to deal with the two title characters is to just get them to fucking fight." It's so absurd and I wish more movies did this.
I'm sorry but this movie is hilarious it has some kind of accidental comedic timing that had me in tears. I don't know how they managed to turn two of the most terrifying ghosts in cinema into slapstick but its something I didn't know I needed.
Its kinda complicated. Firstly the ju-on kills anyone who comes into the house, regardless of who they are. Kayako kills Kobioshi in teh first film whose the man she is in love with that promps her husband to kill her. This creates the curse. The curse can use the spirits of its victims as kind of a lure, especially Toshio who is the most seen spirt other tha nKayako
I think Suzuka has to watch the tape as well to get rid of the potential risk of Kayako going for her first. In the Grudge movies, Kayako isn’t restrained to the house once her victims are cursed. If Sadako immediately intervenes once Yuri is inside the house but Kayako is busy with Suzuka outside of the house, then the plan falls apart. By also cursing Suzuka with the tape, it guarantees that Sadako has to intervene once Kayako gets involved, no matter who she decides to go for first. I haven’t seen Ju-On in ages though and it could be that whoever is in the house gets priority, so I might be wrong there.
The first time I saw the Ring was very memorable for me. 😊 I was watching it at my friends house with her and, accompanied with the fact it was after midnight, after the first viewing of the video tape, the phone rang and we screamed like the little girls we were. 😂 The timing was brilliant.
2:08 TotallypointlessTv believing a girl will come out of his television to kill him, turns his TV against the wall. Me when I was younger and watched this movie "sweet, I'll finally have a girl in my bedroom!"
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Chad move.
I get the joke about Kayako's "cricket" noise, but I'd be remissed if I didn't point out that she was killed through violent strangulation so that noise is her death croak through destroyed vocal chords. Toshio's meowing is a bit more steeped in the culture where it implies he merged with the family's dead cat, but also ties into the thought that souls of lost children in Japan become stray cats.
If I remember correctly, he merged with the cat bc the father drowned him in the bathtub, and did the same to the cat right after, which explains it. And the bit about children becomming stray cats could also be a huge inspiration to the whole ordeal
I've never heard that lore of lost children becoming stray cats. Is it like a sweet kind of reincarnation idea? Or more of a morbid scary story to make stray cats invoke death and fear in people?
I thought the cricket noise was from breaking her neck
@@feathero3 I guess it depends from area to area. from what i have experienced, it is so people are not cruel to stray cats because they see them as lost children. that's why stray cats are so loved and cared for in some parts of japan.
@@VisualBunny anything that makes people treat cats well/better is all good by me 👍🏻
i think the worst part about the ending is that yuri doesnt get to sacrifice herself. instead the combined spirits use her as their vessel.
Really ? I thougt they just merged only by themselves
@@СевернаяЗвезда-в9мthey were a big blob when the crashed into eachother. My theory is that they fully merged in yuri's body, since she was just down there.
It's Yuri's life force and soul that had the potential to trap the onryo, as he said, they were too strong , so instead they used her life force /energy as a conduit for their combined jaki (evil spirit) so that they could easily break the wards and free themselves.
Usually when a crossover battle is done the two opposing forces kind of contrast each other. The problem here is that Sadako and Kayako both fill a similar niche.
Can you imagine if Freddy vs Jason ended doing a fusion dance in the end? That would be messed up! Unless it was done on the sequel of Freddy vs Jason vs Ash that I'm not aware of.
They're both onryo so they would probably be fighting for eternity.
I don't think that's the main problem with the movie.
that would make them fight more like to rival lions over a kill also with ghosts it was a bad idea from start Golden silkworm effect
My students, this man wise words speak, if you dont listen to him than only your ignorance you shall keep.
My mum told me that she and my dad watched The Ring (the Western version) together one night. And after it had finished, the phone rang. Turns out it was my aunt wanting to talk to my dad. But it gave my mum the biggest fright. So whenever I think of The Ring, I always think of that story. But I don't blame her, I think I'd be freaked out too.
lol.
at least your anut had a sense of humour
Same I think I would be freaked out as well.
@@aliceramdom.sanut either its a nut or anus.
The idea that someone found the Western version scary is far more frightening.
Can't be as bad as when one of my mom's friend screamed because there was a snake under her car...just mere moment after finishing watching Snakes on a Plane.
I think somebody was half listening to a wrestling match and when a commentator declared "They're going to settle this grudge in the ring!" a horrible little idea popped into their head
It literally originated as an aprils fools joke, seriously
Oh.. no😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lol
"Ohoho, man! You gotta make some noise for Tokyo's very own ring dominatrix! In the left corner, the spawn of a sea demon, the girl at the bottom of the well, and an opponent from Hell... SADAKOOOOOOOOOOOO! And in the right corner, a death croak can be more potent than a shout, and the wielder of an ancient grudge certainly makes a compelling case for this. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for... KAYAKOOOOOOOOOOO!"
HAHAHA- Imagine that happened, I could totally see it.
Honestly, the best thing about this was Kayako, Sadako and Toshio all showing up at a baseball game to promote the movie.
Yoo the actress/actor really did that?
Thats dope
@@zimk99 I can totally see Miss Fuji do it, she has a heck of a sense of humor and baseball is crazy popular in Japan
@@claudijatzandrapova3347It wasn't Takako Fuji that played Kayako in this movie
idk why but the ending premise makes me chuckle
"We'll get these two unstoppable demons to kill each other off to end their curs- wait what do you mean we made it worse?"
Kadako and Sadako learned the power of "Friendship". 🥰
KASADAKO
@@Ramsey276one SAYAKO is better
"Are we to be two immortals locked in an epic battle until Judgement Day and trumpets sound?" - "Or we could fuse"
"Well at least the tape was destroyed so it's still confined to the house"
Suzuka, who doesn't know about the upload: "yeah :)"
I was expecting there to be SOME kind of reaction to Sadako apparently just permanently killing Toshio given he's just gone after getting sucked into the TV. Like Kayako getting some kind of rage boost over her son and tearing Sadako apart for at least a little bit. Or at least have him appear in the new tape along with his new Double-Mom.
You're right, he's just.. forgotten from the plot after that hahah
You're right, he is just forgotten from the plot after that.
If you think about it, he was technically sucked into the tape that Kayako destroyed. She accidently crushed her kid.
Didn't Toshio appeared at the end behind the blind kid?
@@sarahfortune7760 he did. And I don't get that. The kid was the one person in the movie who wasn't cursed.
“It looks like something Nexpo or Wendigoon would spend an hour analyzing” absolutely SENT me because of the accuracy
sent you where?
What’s Nexpo or Wendigoon?
@@Lawrence_Talbot Let me actually answer your question here instead of just mocking you like the other person
Nexpo and Wendigoon are both TH-camrs that fill similar niches. Nexpo is the only one I'm subscribed to and actively watch; he looks over real occurrences or analog horror (mostly) and analyzes them in his videos, to sum it up in a nutshell
Meanwhile, Wendigoon does similar things. I believe has a few videos describing "icebergs" of things that most people consider creepy, but I've only seen a couple of his videos
If you're curious, look them up. It'll take 10 seconds each to go to their channel and glance at their recent video titles, and it'll give you a much better sense of their content than my lackluster description
@@Accurate_Vision Thanks for providing an actual answer. I'll take your advice and look em up.
@@frds_skce Good answer
The perfect conclusion to this story would've been for The Priest to construct the well DIRECTLY outside Kayako's house as a final middle finger to the two onryos. Make Kayako watch the tape which would also lure Sadako into the house. They each would be a target to each other. Creating an Ouroboros loop of them killing one another till eternity. The well would be a last ditch effort so if they tried to pursue one of the girls, they would both jump into the well and be sealed there together. Duking it out in a lightless environment until some dumb teenager opens it a few years later for a sequel movie
Sadako's well *is* in the backyard of Kayako's house in this movie.
Talk about taking liberties..
@@Stigmatix666 I don't think that was Sadako's well, it was just a random well outside the house. Still quite convenient though.
Fun fact the reason grudge makes the croaking noise is because the husband snapped her neck and thats the last noise she was able to make before her death
wow that is fun
“fun fact” ie i copy and pasted something from the wiki trivia section
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 While it’s not exactly a fun fact, I doubt it’s in a wiki trivia section because that’s literally part of the movie. I guess it’s only a fun fact or wiki trivia piece to people who have little to no knowledge of The Grudge.
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 lol its not but sure ig
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 also fun fact ideally means a quick set of information given to you or persons
Okay so the part with him tricking the three kids into coming into the house actually gives me a different vibe. I don't know if anyone else remembers but there was a Goosebumps story and episode where group of teenagers convinced another one to go into a haunted house so then he could join their Club. He supposedly stayed in there for a certain amount of time and then they went in to go get him to congratulate him for joining the club or whatever. Instead the ghost in the house actually reveals to them that that boy they forced into the house left forever ago, in exchange for his soul staying with him he promised that a group of souls would come in and he could have them. Now sure this turned out differently but it gives me the same vibe
I remember that episode
@@theend-nz6vsme too
The house of no return
That would work considering that concept was brought up in the Netflix series. That one guy theorized he "survived" to further spread the word of the curse to lure more potential victims to the house.
Loved that one always loved the ending
Honestly, the idea of making the two fight is a good idea, but the psychic should've just warded the house when Sadako entered. The best way to solve it would honestly have been to just play the video on a phone and show it to The Grudge. She'd be the target and the two would be locked in a fight forever. Then just ward the house and lock it and call it a day.
That solution would work only under the implication that the spirits can manifest at one place at a time. I was under the impression, that once the spirit latches onto you, you basically get a "copy" of them following you everywhere until they decide that your time is up. That's how I felt at least when watching the grudge movies, because Kayako would manifest herself at the same time to different victims on different locations. This would mean that they could do infinite battle at the house while also killing all their cursed victims around the globe at the same time, well Sayako at least since the video went viral online.
@@branospevak4098 yeah and in the grudge movies, wherever you die, which may not be at the cursed house, creates a new curse point from where kayako can curse you, basically spreading itself
@Brano Spevak Eh, you could say to fight Sada, Kaya has to absorb her copies to get a power boost. Since Sada is both a powerful psychic and half lovecraftian sea beast while Kaya was just a normal very upset woman
maybe the only way is to not let the curse come out of the house is to let those who are cursed to be in the house and be killed too. Else Sadako/Kayako could still hunt them down. Then only can they ward the house off, letting Kayako and Sadako fight each for eternity.
@@ryuno2097 The house is actually insignificant as the Ju-On sequels continue.
Fun fact: The scene with the characters jumping into the well was used as a reference for a bit in the Chainsaw Man opening.
Yes
I knew I remembered seeing that somewhere else! 😆
I’ve been trying to figure out all the movies “Chainsaw mans” opening references. Another one figured out.😄
@@SkepticalShelbyattack of the killer tomatoes is another referenced
Have a list of the ones you figured out lol cause now I'm interested after noticing this one
Not only did the spirits merge but I'm pretty sure they took the face of Yuri.
I was 13 yrs old when the first American remake of the Grudge came out in theaters and let me tell you Kayako's death rattle still puts me on edge to this day.
Same! Watched it when I was like 10 and that death rattle scared the shit out of me 😂 even had dreams of it
besides both sadako and kayako fighting, i will always remember this movie because of the psychic guy and his sidekick, blind girl with red drip. i think those two should have been in a whole different movie about themselves
hell make them the protags of a whole series of films!
Psychic guy and the red girl kinda reminded me of Mob Psycho, lmao
@@sarafontanini7051I can imagine an anime series where they're paranormal investigator and exorcist duo.
'Drip', zoomer, get in the house.
@@daviddavidson6289 oy bozo you wanna pick a fight on the internet pick on someone your own size. That ghost kid seems small enough for you
The plot point of Natsumi uploading Sadako's video to the internet, in addition to the Sadako/Kayako fusion and new cursed video, makes me think they could easily make an 'End of the World'-style movie with the fused ghost. Think about it...
SADAKAYA: ARMAGEDDON
I have such mixed feelings.
Listen, I laughed to tears watching this. It's the most beautiful and perfect loophole abuse ever. Kayako is territorial af, Sadako has an exclusive claim on all kills. The moment Sadako enters the house to chase a target, Sadako herself becomes a target. It's like an ouroboros. They will be locked in combat eternally.
But why on EARTH would you spoil that beautiful, magical solution trying to seal them? The problem solved itself! Just leave the house! You have created a perfect, self-contained kaiju battle with onryo! Don't mess with it! Neither one of them is going to come out of that the victor!
Like, on the one hand the fused Lovecraftian superghost actually managed to look unsettling and that's super impressive to me. But on the other hand, I'm so upset because by just making them a single ghost the beauty of the loophole was ruined.
All I wanted was shameless, unapologetic loophole abuse to go rampant forever. Proper loophole abuse is so rare in storytelling. They had it. They HAD it.
The fused ghost just isn't as powerful by comparison. Disappointed.
Exorcist performance went from a solid 10/10 for coming up with the idea to 4/10 because he botched the job himself. Coulda had it all, man. God damn it. Will not be recommending services to any of my haunted friends. Best he can do is a consultant position at this point.
Could Sadako stop fighting with the Grudge when its victims die of other causes, making the loophole not eternal?
@@ivanlugo8474 Depends on whether Sadako can herself be cursed by the house. Because if she can, the moment she entered she got a permanent target put on herself. No matter where else she goes, even if she tries to take out targets who never entered the house--Kayako is coming for her. You're not safe from Grudge ghosts if you step in the house then leave. House just defines where you can catch the curse, not where the curse can kill you.
The only real complication I think would be if Kayako got other living targets who weren't also cursed by Sadako, she might be able to put Sadako duty on pause to kill them. Sort of like if you're getting homework assignments where one's an essay from hell but the others are quick and easy. All need to get done but maybe you can knock out small stuff before the worst bit. Antidote to the Grudge curse is literally to watch Sadako's movie and vice versa, but you only have so much time if you go into the house first.
@@janedoe885 Man... And with the internet bit, kayako's house would become literaly a place of salvation
I think it was shown that Sadako is a much powerful curse than Kayako so they tried to seal them both instead. What they didn't account for is that both ghosts can possess a human being so they merged. I do like the idea that everytime Sadako emerges, Kayako is just there to get killed alongside the victim.
yeah having them merge feels like a forced "Horror movie bad ending"
The wheeled in TV was actually a solid idea. They know from 2 previous experiences that Sadako makes her presence known to whoever just watched it; so their assumption would be that she would appear regardless of another negative energy being present.
Yah but in the 1998 Ringu we know teens who watched the tape died in car crash. Sadako wasn’t even there. So she dot. Always need to be present lol
The man who directed this movie is known for his strange style of horror. The eccentric characters, occultism, spiritualism, and the bizarre humor. If you have shudder I recommend Noroi The Curse. It is another film directed by him, I'd have to say it is the most "real" and creepiest found footage horror out there.
Noroi is a classic, a must watch for any fan of j-horror or found footage
it isn't j-horror but i guess you could call it au-horror, which is lake mungo. it's a mockumentary "found footage" film that pulls off the story and visuals so well im fairly certain a good chunk of people believed it to be a true story. its not ram packed full of scares but the tension, atmosphere, acting and the feeling of stress and a general sense of dread makes it awesome
@@evansutcliffe1099 Lake Mungo fucked me up!
Koji Shiraishi is awesome. If you like Noroi check out Occult. TERRIBLE SFX but still great imo.
@@TheAngryPothead I saw it and really enjoyed it. And yeah that portal scene was laughably bad but other than that it was a very unnerving movie!
I think what I like about this movie is how much personality is in it. Everyone has these fun silly expressions, there’s a pair of psychics who are both hilarious in their tone and efforts, the villains are amazing of course.
You had to be in Asia when this movie was airing to truly understand how hilarious the ads for it were, the ring has always been a Horror classic for a while at that point and that this movie appeared out of nowhere. Trucks of huge Sadako popping out of the back, and many other weird Japanese styled ads made this a really fun topic at the time
Fun fact about abandoned houses like this. Apparently they're all over the place, and you can have them for "free" minus fees and taxes and all that of course. So technically you too can own a real grudge house for relatively little money. Watched another video about a guy that lives in an abandoned school in the mountains.
ohhh, i think i watched a video about that one long ago. he made it into a real cozy place, i think it's also the same guy who converted one of the rooms into a private café and it looked so nice. would be an ideal location to live in if it weren't the fact it was an abandoned school lmao
The way the psychic tried to fix the curse is literally the same way Patrick from Spongebob tried to fix the giant paint bubble.
"I don't think this curse can get much bigger!"
"NONSENSE!"
@@baylaust lol
@@courier665”2 giant paint bubbles!”😂
The shot of the two curses smashing into each other over the well is the shot of Denji and the katana devil clashing in the chainsaw man intro…..what a revelation that was
From my understanding,
Kayako
Pros: Has backup haunters
Cons: Bound to house and house occupants
Sadako
Pros: Haunt can spread to anybody with sight
Cons: Haunt is on a dead media form
Kayako is only bound to the house in that is the only place where you can be cursed, but she stalks you whenever you go.
Leaving the house don't save you from being killed by her.
In all the grudge movies you see her killing people in other places.
Kayako is absolutely not bound to the house. The initial curse is in the house. If you enter, kayako stalks you until she decides to kill you wherever you may be. At that point, the place where she kills you becomes a new cursed place, spreading itself with each death.
And sadako, well people can copy the video and, like you saw here, it can be uploaded to the internet, basically spreading it everywhere.
The ring books go detail it more how she moves over to VR too
So, Kayako isn’t just bound to the house and the videos have been put on multiple different mediums so Sadako is most definitely not on “dead media form.”
Kayako isn't bound to the house, that's just the way the curse takes you, once you go in, nothing can save you. In fact the curse is so strong it breaks time and space, you can even get cursed before entering the house if you're going to go in at some point in the future.
I remember being in japan when this movie was coming out and seeing the wierdest advertisment campaigns. I think my favorite one was a baseball game where both characters showed up and played.
I'm sad I missed the maid cafe they did.
I hear that at least one soapland did a cosplay special, but I can't corroborate that one.
I honestly kind of love the ending of them merging like that. It looked really stupid, but I love the concept bc they are very similar but still very distinct characters. And I love that it doesn't paint one as more powerful than the other, they're both equally as powerful and even stronger together
I swear this dude can't make a bad video, this shit is always tight as fuck. Keep going bro, let's bring some good content back on youtube.
You’re tight asf
@@artheaux666 gay
@@bigas3837 what he say
I think the reason why they changed it from 7 days to 2 days was due to Kayako herself being unbound by a time limit. When someone is cursed by Kayako, she can kill anyone at anytime anywhere, while Sadako usually has to wait for a week before she can take any lives. Because Kayako doesn’t have this limitation, she can take more souls at a faster pace and get stronger from this process than Sadako. Not only that, but her curse is also inescapable while Sadako’s is escapable, so Sadako’s only advantage against Kayako would be her telekinesis while Kayako has more advantages than her weaker opponent (Sadako could be empowered by the internet, but in the film, she didn’t have enough time to claim any souls before facing Kayako). In other words, Sadako was buffed while Kayako was nerfed.
Correct
What is Sadako's weakness?
@@thuropendragon7498 Canonically, in the Ringu franchise she has to wait 7 days after someone watches the tape until she can claim them.
On the other hand, in the Ju-On franchise Kayako has no such limitations. She can kill you at any time.
Taking these two things into consideration, Sadako has a clear weakness compared to Kayako. Hence why Sadako was obviously severely buffed while Kayako was obviously severely nerfed in "Sadako vs Kayako"..
Ah, interesting. My boyfriend and I were discussing the time change as well. We came to the conclusion that because they're both urban legends, they get twisted and changed over time. So we just figured that's where the change came from.
@@seleniebeanie I see that, but no. It's in order to make Sadako appear stronger than usual..
The scene where the main character make her friend watch the tape while she's on the phone is hilarious.
I liked this one, it's a simple yet fun film made with a lot of respect for the originals.
Thank you for clarifying ‘passing the curse.’ They could have definitely created an endless loop of curse passing to avoid death. Imagine having to watch a shitty snuff film every 2 days lmfao
Imagine your friend just forgets to watch it one day and you wake up in the after life. bruh I would the new grudge ghost.
I always thought that the reason why people wind up watching the VHS tape despite the obvious danger is that they're compelled to watch the tape, paranormally forced to observe.
Unless you get a text I guess :p
If anyone is at all curious, the reason Kayako croaks like that is it's supposed to be the sound of her trying to breathe after her husband broke her trachea (after slitting her throat, natch; never known the Japanese to leave a job half-finished)
He slit her throat
I actually liked the idea behind this. Using a curse to combat a curse. With proper execution I could see that being a really good plot.
Damn, that fusion might be able to solo all of Dragonball. It deserves its own movie
Until Goku power creep I'm telling you that show shouldn't even introduce new villains lmao
SCP Foundation needs to do something about Sayako/Kadako
@悪רשעEᴠɪʟDᴀʀᴛʜ¥ōᴋᴀiXشبح الشر كافر It would be simple.
Find the tape, contain it somewhere, let Sadako finish off the last few people who watched it before the Foundation locked it up, and just make sure no copies made it online. If any did, dispatch a few MTFs, administer amnestics, delete the files and all copies from whatever systems they're on, then move on. She'd be effectively harmless at that point, except maybe to some poor D-class who might be forced to watch the tape.
Kayako? That might be a little bit more difficult, but as long as nobody goes inside the house, they would be fine, so just put a bunch of guards, fences, and fortifications around it.
The combination of the two? Dunno. Maybe a combination of both methods would work? The issue is that she's more like 096 than anything, so she'd be nearly impossible to completely contain, but as long as nobody views the tape, or enters the house, they would probably be okay, so maybe combining both methods would work. Then again, she might behave entirely differently, so who knows. They'd just throw more D-class at the problem until they figured something out.
The guy from Ghostwire Tokyo solos
Aizen solo ez diff
I agree with your take on the Wesstern version of the tape. It's the one part on rewatch that feels like "film-student just watched Eraserhead for the first time" or something that Gabe from The Office (US) would make and kills the mood a bit.
They make reference to that in the film itself I think.
Weirdly I would say that the better film to watch if you want a western take on Ring is Wes Craven's New Nightmare, which has a lot of suspiciously similar elements, even down to Freddie spreading his influence through VHS tapes and his lair being a hole in the ground filled with water, plus he's despatched by acting out a remake of the original film (paralleling creating a copy of the VHS in Ring).
Keep it up with the totally pointless content, makes my day every time!
The sound the grudge woman make is from her injuries while she was dying after being beaten. Her throat was injured to a point that was the only noise she can make. Her limbs was also so badly injured, thats why she is crawling down the stairs like that. I think in the original film when she was crawling down the stairs is like a play back of her trying to run away from her husband after he badly beats her.
Gotta love when Pointless not only covers horror themed media, but also gets a few wise-cracks in too.
As someone who got the two confused a lot, them combining is just what I thought they were coming to “reality” and I love it
I went on a Japanese horror binge 6 months back watching ringu and the original grudge and this was the climax I finished the binge on it was a hilarious treat its by no means as good as the originals but it's a fun time and I'd love to see the fused form in another movie where they fight other beings like the slit faced woman
If I could say anything to your child self . It would be” she can push the tv around “
Say what you will about Freddy versus Jason but that scene where Jason comes out of the cornfield on fire will always have a place in my heart
It was half dumb half awesome lol I loved when they were killing teens and even their real world fight but the dream fight was almost too much
I've always loved Toshio in the curse of the Grudge. He acts as his mother's lure. Even in this cursed afterlife, he loves his mother and will do anything for her. It's strangely sweet in a deeply twisted way.
That is a very sweet and non-asian way of perceiving it!
Fun fact: In general Asian folklore around spirits (particularly of vengeance), they become consumed by their obsession and a mere shadow of the live version of themselves. It's more likely that the mother who died and is obviously the source of the "grudge" unintentionally (or intentionally) pulled her son into the curse with her due to the proximity of their deaths. Powerful emotions/energy are like whirlpools/black holes that suck in nearby spirits. Something as powerful as a grudge curse would likely enslave anything nearby to it as a victim to forever perpetuate the curse just as the spirits of those who die to the grudge continue to serve it in some way.
~ Former Shaman of my Southeast Asian Ethnic Nomadic Hill Tribe.
@@raggynolaHello Mr. Shaman. I recently watch the cursed video tape in the grudge house. The last shaman I spoke with suggested getting Sadako/kayako to merge with Mimiko, the one missed call curse. I did that, but now my phone won’t stop ringing all the time. And I’m seeing sleep paralysis demons when I’m not sleeping.
Got any solutions? I’m really at my wits end here.
The absolute gigachadness of the exorcist is killing me
Honestly this should have ended the two spirit fighting in the house for eternity with the girls in constant fear of one of them winning to claim their promised
Sadako is more interesting and in theory more powerful, yet has a slightly more forgiving curse, and kayako is simple with less absurd power, but an unavoidable curse of infinite anger and pain through a violent death.
More forgiving…..how?
@@Junuman1 in the first ringu films lore, you could avoid death by showing someone else the tape, in a sense a more forgiving curse comparatively
@@Junuman1 in a sense, you could prevent your death from the video by making others watching it or you know, just don't watch the damn video in the first place.
While Ju on (Kayako), if you stepped into the house kayako and his son were killed, voluntarily or forced to, you will die regardless. If you interact in anyway to people that have entered the house despite you yourself never even go near the house, you will die.
If somehow you still not dead, the curse planning to use you to spread more of it influence and then you die. Basically, in ju on, you will die no matter what and not before you being tortured by the haunting.
Did I tell you, Ju-on also involved time loop and travel shit?
@@planbrent I agree that Sadako is stronger, but Kayako isn’t too far behind her because Kayako can just pull you into an infinite void no matter where you are. So it’s not too much less of an absurdity lol
cool story bro
Good to know you got over your fear of Sadako lol. My older sister is 37 and still terrified, you can't even mention Sadako around her because it freaks her out so much.
Lol
I've heard a lot about Sadako before, but never Kayako before (at least not by name). Being introduced to Kayako through this video, holy shit Kayako is scary! The way she moves combined with the clicking of her bones and the horrific vocal noises she makes of someone constantly on the verge of death as they desperately try to shout out for help/breathe... From how you described Kayako and how Kayako's son acted as a ghost, I thought I knew what to expect; boy was I wrong!
Also, in the context of the review, because Kayako didn't show up that much, she was so much more terrifying than Sadako. With Sadako, after a while you sort of get used to her paranormal activities. The way she appears, the hair she leaves behind, etc. (being familiar with Sadako myself likely played a factor too). With Kayako, she's properly introduced so late into the film, it's hard to get used to how she acts.
I need to watch/read the Ju-on films at some point. I'll make sure to go in expecting less aggression from Kayako and her son. Overall, this was an awesome video. 👍
Honestly can't recommend the grudge enough. Both ghosts are expertly crafted both as monsters and characters.
Kayako was beaten into a pulp. Her legs broken and finally her neck snapped. Hence why she's covered in blood, crawls instead of walks and she makes that constant gurgling sound.
Her son on the other hand was drowned along side the family cat so his skin is a sick blue and he meows to announce his presence. He's also not a vengeful spirit (atleast not compared to kayako) and in the first movie its a twist reveal kinda that he's dead because unlike his mother he can return to his human form and talk/act mostly normal.
I strongly recommend the original Japanese Ju-On (Grudge) movies for more on Kayako. The American remake wasn't so bad, it was better than the remake of Ring, but the originals were way better.
@zaltain the shade I'll make sure to watch the movie series when I get the chance, I'm super intrigued to see more of Kayako and her son, even if they might give me nightmares.
Holy shit. O_O It goes without saying, but damn, that's beyond brutal. The context makes her even more terrifying, it's horrifying to think about; especially when you wonder about what she's trying to say, only to end up as gurgling. Is it a cry for help? Is it cries of pain? Is it anger-fueled curses? Goddamn, poor Kayako...
Oh damn, I never would've guessed the son was drowned. Although, I admit, I didn't realize his skin was a sick blue, I thought it was grayish (given its sick blue, makes sense why I mistook it for gray). To think Kayako's son and the family cat died from such means... And ooooohhhhhhhh, I see, that's really interesting. The crossover movie gave me the impression he was a vengeful spirit on the same/similar level to Kayako given he took part in the killing.
@@EvilRobotSteve Yee, my plan is to watch the original Japanese movies, and maybe the American remake(s) after watching all the originals. It feels more appropriate to watch the originals first before the remake imo.
@@protocol72 well the son does become more violent as the series countiued but in the original I don't think he actually kills anyone.
Fair warning this could be seen as a spoilor but in the first movie the set up is a new family move into kayako's house and once they're settled they fined a strange boy. The boy doesn't talk much but does introduce himself as toshio. The majority of the movie toshio is just kinda this weird kid who doesn't talk much and just appears around the house randomly. It isn't until kayako starts actively hunting the couple that toshio reveals his true form as a ghost as again a kind of mini twist in the movie. (Side note it's been awhile so I might not be remembering this 100% accurately but this is roughly how I remember the first movie)
Your reaction to Ring was my reaction the The Grudge. I saw it when I was 13, I think? Loved it but damn, I'm 29 now and still have nightmares about Kayako sometimes... Ju-On is my favourite horror franchise of all time.
Maybe a weird compliment, but I love your voice/the way you narrate your videos. It makes everything you talk about even more interesting :) you're my favorite youtuber rn!
I know he'll appreciate this comment not weird at all!
19:13 Was happy that Koji Shiraishi got another excuse to bring out a rockstar psychic type character into another movie. He had one in the second entry of a what one could argue was a trilogy of Occult 2009, Cult 2013, and A Record Of Sweet Murder 2014, two parts interstellar/interdimensional holy war where Earth is just a random rock that was drawn into a proxy war and one part heartwarming(?) side story within the same universe.
People pretty much only know him as either the Noroi guy if they're into found footage horror or Grotesque guy if they're into torture prawn horror, but his whole body of work is a very wild ride of humor, body horror, cursed spaghetti, demonetizable assault, celebrities, and analogue cameras. The only director in the world that would ever write out a script and then film a story about an elder god becoming a pop star.
Omg he made noroi???
I love the Ju-On movies. They get more and more ridiculous as they go up on numbers. I remember one where it ends implying that the whole city is now part of Kayako's curse. Because in the movies, when you get cursed by Kayako and die, the place where you die becomes a new curse from where she can get you. So she killed so many people that the entire town is a giant curse.
There's also one where an actress goes into the house for a film or whatever, and she gets cursed. But oh no, she's pregnant! And Kayako has possessed her unborn child. In the end, the woman gives birth and Kayako is reborn as a human child. The movie ends with child Kayako pushing her mother from some stairs killing her. They even dress and makeup the child to look like a young Kayako, it's pretty creepy for how dumb it is
Only a horror movie sequel could come up with something that insane and ridiculous.
Gotta admit though, that's an interesting concept for horror.
I have to wonder how that would end up working. Like, did she exchange her ghostly powers for a second chance at life, or does she still have them? What happened to *her* kid? Is he stuck as a ghost while his mom runs off, alive again? And does she even use that opportunity to have another chance at life?
So many questions. Again, only a horror movie sequel could come up with something like that.
2:04 Child's Play did that to me. Not only did I have a doll that looked exactly like Chucky when the movie came out, that my friend ended up stabbing with pens and throwing out the 6th floor window in order to make me feel better, but I had one of those Mickey Mouse dealies that you could pop a cassette in his belly and he would sing you songs. My grandma gave it to me and I adored it...until Chucky came out. I was so terrified of it that I made my mother bury it in the closet until we moved out
The DBZ fusion ending made me nearly piss myself from laughing when I first saw it. It made the entire movie worth it imo.
Thanks for summarizing this movie cause I didn’t wanna waste time watching it 😂😂😂. For anyone wondering, you can watch it in shudder. I also realized this is probably where Phasmophobia the game got their idea for one of the appearances for the ghost. It looks like sadako, but crawls and makes the clicking noises as it does. 😂
Bruh, "this fucked my shit up" and turning the TV around at night made me laugh so much. I can relate, but it was with the movie CandyMan. The house where I grew up had a mirror above the toilet, I remember going to toilet and pissing at a diagonal angle so I wouldn't have to look at the mirror while I took a piss at night lol
The reason for the voice crackle was because her neck was broken by the husband.
Hey man not sure if you read comments but ive been loving your videos! I legit download all of them to watch on my phone in the trainride to my girlfriend. You legit make the most boring part of my weekends a million times more enjoyable thank you for the amazing content!
Before I knew of the original I watched the excellent American remake of The Ring when it first came out when I was a teenager. It scared the hell out of me, especially the part in the beginning when the mother recalls how she found her daughter deceased in the closet, saying “I saw her face” and then the movie cuts to the closet door opening and showing the girl with her black and blue and twisted face. Those 3 seconds of the film gave me nightmares for real.
I remember seeing the Grudge for the first time at Ft.Bragg in 04. I was 18 and had just finished infantry school and Airborne school. I was in a theater filled with guys who had either just gotten home from a rotation or were preparing to deploy, more than one of us said “Nope.” And walked out 😂
In a strange way it was more respectful than any of their own sequels.
I'll never forget watching a stream of this movie years ago where they replaced the exorcism scene's dialogue with Harry Potter spells in the subtitles.
Avada Kedavra, Flipendo, Crucio, Imperio, Reducto, Stupefy, Expecto Patronum, Expelliarmus, Expulso, Confrigo
As a Graduate Student - I can actually tell you that it’s not inaccurate that you’ll find Tenured Professors that actually do specialize in urban legends, myths, folklore, etc.
Like - if anything, this is probably one of the most accurate representations of a Tenured Professor ever!
honestly, we all know that both ghosts from each series don't have the capacity to go head to head in an actual tangible battle.
Tangible not at all, it would be convoluted, as these usually are, to have them meet lol. But... the fans can't help but wonder, and yet this doesn't satisfy either fandom.
I gotta say, that cricket joke proper made me shut myself laughing, I died mid game to just stop and take a breather, your commentary is honestly top notch
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The Fusion-Ha! at the end is perfect 💀
Ok so, after sadakaya is born and there's new version of the cursed tape to go with it, does the old version still take effect or is it obsolete now that there is a new version?
Since natsumi uploaded the old version and was watched/downloaded, therefore cursing thousand of people, would they still die now that there is a new version?
I demand a sequel to answer this burning question
not to mention the house curse got eaten XD because of the merge! LOL
Now all that's left is Robocop vs Terminator and we'll be in crossover heaven, or hell depending if they take influence from the new Robocop and Terminator movies
Terminator would OBLITERATE Robocop
Oh my dear Lord, this was my old phone ringtone! It cracked me up so much lmao 7:06
My daughter and I watched this movie a few years ago as part of 31 Days of Halloween. Neither of us really understood what was going on, but the movie definitely gave us a lot of laughs.
I'd be terrified if I witnessed these two merge.
Dude...when you mentioned Yakuza, you should definitely make videos about the Yakuza games. Youve grown so much from mocking bullshido to actually great essay videos!
I remember watching every single commercial promoting this on NipponTV & morning nippon shows.
Hilarious stuff! They did baseball, that UFC like stare down, fast foods etc...
Spreading Sadako's curse all over the net is a bad move. Perverts immune to her powers will only use this opportunity to capture her tho.
im suprised that you can put so much in information so well delivered in so few time. Just well made. This video is funny but also held in a serious way. good one
I feel like the boy would be alot scarier if he made literally any noise besides a cat noise
TH-cam recommended me one of your silent hill videos and since then I've been on a binge ride through your content
The way they ran and slammed into each other was goofy, but having them merge, or rather one subsume the other, is kind of a cool concept because it's reminiscent of the ancient curse ritual of kodoku (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodoku) whereby power is concentrated into a single being.
When I saw The Ring for the first time as a kid , I knew absolutely nothing about it. I distinctly remember the closest scene gave me a nightmare only once lol.
Didn’t even know this existed. We need grudge vs King Kong now!
King Kong is transported to Japan and in his escape attempt he steps on the Grudge's house... let the shinanigans begin!!
Y'know, the funniest thing to me is that they didn't exactly think this through. I mean, if you're both cursed, clearly at least one of you will die if one of the Curses wins.
I mean, I guess they realized it later on, but what did they expect?
..... Jesus, I didn't expect the curses to MERGE. What does this mean!? How do the curses work now? Do you have to watch the tape in the house now? How do you get cursed?
... Is this what homeworld thinks of fusion?
I think the noise that the grudge mother makes is supposed to be a death rattle. When you die, the last breath can often sound like that clicking noise. Just a guess😅
its actually because her voice chord is broken due to her husband broke her neck through violent strangulation
Always thought the scene where keizo gets cut in half when sadako and kayako merge was stupid, it's a blink and you'll miss it scene, at night and no one acknowledges it. Just felt unceremonious and unfair that he got that end during that integral moment. Would've liked to see him live a bit longer? Atlest long enough to see the two onryo's merge.
It's also terrible how the woman claims keizo is the only one to stop the curse BUT HE JUST ENDS UP MAKING IT WORSE. literally no different to the professor, atlest keizo knows some Dr strange esc hand gestures to buy the victim some extra time but that's all he can do. Buy extra time. Still a cool movie but ugh. Keizo just feels like a wasted character.
The nerve of the girl trash talking the professor when keizo also cannot stop the curse, just *huh???*
23:52 i didnt know he killed. I thought he just made noises lmao
me too, i thought he just told his mother where the victims were or something
MY favorite subgenre of crossovers is "Some crazy bastard thinks the best way to deal with the two title characters is to just get them to fucking fight." It's so absurd and I wish more movies did this.
I'm sorry but this movie is hilarious it has some kind of accidental comedic timing that had me in tears. I don't know how they managed to turn two of the most terrifying ghosts in cinema into slapstick but its something I didn't know I needed.
“A man got smashed into a SpongeBob character” made me crack up. Great stuff as always!!!
So since they’re now fused... does that mean we can only get cursed watching the tape while being in the house?
Man's here asking the important questions 😂
Nah. It's just a non-canon spin-off
Kayako murdering kids seems like a bit of opposite effect if she wants "revenge" for her kid dying.
Its kinda complicated. Firstly the ju-on kills anyone who comes into the house, regardless of who they are. Kayako kills Kobioshi in teh first film whose the man she is in love with that promps her husband to kill her. This creates the curse. The curse can use the spirits of its victims as kind of a lure, especially Toshio who is the most seen spirt other tha nKayako
I think Suzuka has to watch the tape as well to get rid of the potential risk of Kayako going for her first. In the Grudge movies, Kayako isn’t restrained to the house once her victims are cursed. If Sadako immediately intervenes once Yuri is inside the house but Kayako is busy with Suzuka outside of the house, then the plan falls apart. By also cursing Suzuka with the tape, it guarantees that Sadako has to intervene once Kayako gets involved, no matter who she decides to go for first.
I haven’t seen Ju-On in ages though and it could be that whoever is in the house gets priority, so I might be wrong there.
23:19 😂😂😂😂😂 the cat noise and face is funny
The first time I saw the Ring was very memorable for me. 😊 I was watching it at my friends house with her and, accompanied with the fact it was after midnight, after the first viewing of the video tape, the phone rang and we screamed like the little girls we were. 😂 The timing was brilliant.
28:20 Oh hey, its that scene referenced in the chainsaw man anime intro
That headbutt literally made me spit out my water I laughed so hard 😭🤣
Something about that noise the grudge made used to terrify me as a kid. It made me think of Hachishakusama… which I don’t even wanna get into.
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TotallypointlessTv believing a girl will come out of his television to kill him, turns his TV against the wall.
Me when I was younger and watched this movie "sweet, I'll finally have a girl in my bedroom!"
Down bad
@@KurtIsFat Sadako crawls out of television.
Me: "At least I won't die a virgin."