0:32 The "stop... woman" is so TRUEEE. I swear Barbara Wangui (the voice of Calypso) is making every ounce of my straightness fade away as soon as she opens her mouth. I LOVE HER SO MUCH TwT
@@arrowoffscript (it was a joke, however you read the word in ur head could be completely different from how me or anyone else reads it, I’m not actually saying anything meaningful here lol)
The way I interpret Odysseus telling Calypso he loves her, is that it's the same way you'd tell a friend or guardian that you love them. Love doesn't have to be associated with romantic feelings. In the song, Calypso wants Odysseus to love her as a partner, significant other, whatever you wanna call it, and that's why Odysseus says "but not in the way that you want me to", because while he may love her, it's a platonic love
Charybdis has always felt more like an animal so I think she wouldn’t be able to sing in the saga. Plus, how could she sing, it’s not like Scylla where her body has some human to it.
Interesting thing, she was Human, a Demi God daughter of Poseidon but, War started between Zeus and Poseidon who used Charybdis as a weapon of war. Charybdis was able to cause whirlpools and floods destroying entire islands. Zeus was pissed after the fight between the two brothers. Zeus had Charybdis turned into a monster. Hence why Poseidon hates going near Scylla's lair as it fills him with dread and guilt about his daughters fate.
Alot of ppl mentioning char not being able to speak...but even if she could she's busy breathing in to make the whirlpool. I mean...idk about you, but I find it reeeeally hard to sing when I'm actively drinking the ocean for the entire song
My take on "I love you" is this: 1: She tees him up for lying to her. She's begging him to lie to her, and he does - he doesn't love her. It would make no sense for Epic's Odysseus. 2: Odysseus has embraced the monster, but deep down, at his core, Odysseus is a good man. So, in his final moments on the island, to comfort a clearly distressed woman who is cursed to feel the way she does, he tells her what she wants to hear. He knows he'll never see her again, so rather than hurt her needlessly, he says what she has wanted him to say for the last 7 years.
I definitely can see it from both points for sure. I do believe in some way he does mildly care for her, like because he feels bad, like you mentioned just telling her what she wants to hear. But, I think Calypso doesn't understand the gravity of what she has done to Odysseus. You do make great points!
@@arrowoffscript Completely valid reading. I can see some part of him caring. Like recognising that in some ways she's just as trapped as he is and sympathising. I don't think Epic's version of Calypso recognises what she's done to Odysseus. Epic seems to be going with the version of her that's cursed to feel and do as she does, and if that's the case then she wouldn't know that she's in the wrong, and a curse is definitely something Odysseus could recognise in her.
@@arrowoffscript I think for what Epic is, and what it's intended to be (a musical on a stage) it's the right move. Assault scenes like that would not play well on a stage and just be super uncomfortable, but the nod and acknowledgement of what happened in the source material is super appreciated imo.
@alexeysimushov4971 I was about to say, the gods almost NEVER give definite reference to anything in the entire musical when talking to mortals, Hermes may not have SAID "yeah so in 3 days you're gonna run into this chick Charybdis, she's a real monster, but don't you worry, she'll be breathing in the whole time." but he DID say that danger would greet him with a smile and no matter what, just keep moving.
@@alexeysimushov4971 Hermes also said "When strangers lurk around the isle", so that part was most likely referencing the Suitors, as they're strangers to Ody, and also a danger to his family and home. Just look at Antinous.
@@arrowoffscript technically, she's a giant sea cucumber with a gaping maw and dozens of pointed teeth, that going off the animatics for the song for EPIC, cannot completely close, probably bc it has no lips.
Im kind of conflicted considering her first song was kind of predator vibes with how one of the first things she mentions was how she wants to jump into bed with him, and im a goddess so you cant do nothing lol. big oof.
@Insomnia-dr4fk it is one of the goals of Not Sorry For Loving You. To feel conflicted. I don't like Calypso as a character. But the songs are beautiful. What she did is terrible, and us feeling conflicted is totally okay. Because even she herself is conflicted, since she believed what she did was love, when really it wasn't.
odysseus summoned his own chorus!!! i feel like he awakened his 1/8 divinity, that plus he is de hermes grand grand son whos power is speed, and 600 strikes requires a lot of speed
@@fidonguyendo8847 his eyes were red in prior songs and like here, there is no hint in the musical towards the intervention of Ares in the music unlike Jorge has done before like using the instruments to clue us in on "Penelope" not actually being Penelope, lacking the instrument she was introduced with back in The Horse and The Infant, before the reveal it was a siren pretending to be Penelope in Different Beast.
Hi! New sub here! Also im not sure if you reacted to troy, cyclops, ocean, circe, underworld, thunder and wisdom? If so? Im not sure if you mind to say official facts i know? Edit: you should watch jorge's live stream and it has official animatics that related to the story
i dont say this with ill intent but since you talk so much i think it would be a better choice (next time maybe) to either lower the songs' volume dramatically or maybe start pausing. i can barely hear your commentary, and it sucks since thats what we're here for :/
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the silence after Ody says "Because I had one goal in mind" because his men are no longer there to sing "get back to our home land" 💀
@@TroubledFerretzz Legit!!! Like omg
"FUCK YOU POSEIDON I WAS HAVING A MOMENT" - probably exactly what odesseus thought too
Literally my favorite reaction moment of her video 😆
when posieden said get in the water and ody be like "posieden why you know i'm to shy "
@@arifdanial9905 Poseidon whyyy you know I'm too shy and terrifiieeeddd
@@arrowoffscript Poseidon: "I do not care, get in the water or imma drown your whole damn island."
"F*** YOU POSEIDON, I WAS HAVING A MOMENT!" All of us basically 😂
@blueteller legit he pulled a Zeus
@@arrowoffscript Indeed they're brothers lol
0:32 The "stop... woman" is so TRUEEE. I swear Barbara Wangui (the voice of Calypso) is making every ounce of my straightness fade away as soon as she opens her mouth. I LOVE HER SO MUCH TwT
@@kukkiboshi lol, her voice is so lovely
"WHATS WRONG WITH APOLLO?!"
* me awkwardly looking sideways to the pile of dead lovers *
"hm...."
@@dustyroo666 lol true-
@@arrowoffscript and also i think at the time the sun god was actually the sun titan/god helios and not apollo at the time.
@valestara at that current time yes. It would have been. Apollo did exist as a God, but no one associated him completely as God of the Sun
I love hearing everybody's different mispronunciations of "Charybdis" lmao
@@ravrin_plays_zelda I have learned it's "Kuh-rib-dus"
It’s clearly pronounced “Charybdis”
@israelnoble7614 I don't speak Greek and the Ch is a K in Charybdis' name
@@arrowoffscript (it was a joke, however you read the word in ur head could be completely different from how me or anyone else reads it, I’m not actually saying anything meaningful here lol)
@israelnoble7614 oooooooh, gods I'm sorry for taking it the wrong way
The way I interpret Odysseus telling Calypso he loves her, is that it's the same way you'd tell a friend or guardian that you love them. Love doesn't have to be associated with romantic feelings. In the song, Calypso wants Odysseus to love her as a partner, significant other, whatever you wanna call it, and that's why Odysseus says "but not in the way that you want me to", because while he may love her, it's a platonic love
@@undeadyoutubing5268 very very true. And an interesting interpretation. Definitely makes you think about the type of person Odysseus is for sure
Charybdis has always felt more like an animal so I think she wouldn’t be able to sing in the saga. Plus, how could she sing, it’s not like Scylla where her body has some human to it.
Interesting thing, she was Human, a Demi God daughter of Poseidon but, War started between Zeus and Poseidon who used Charybdis as a weapon of war. Charybdis was able to cause whirlpools and floods destroying entire islands. Zeus was pissed after the fight between the two brothers. Zeus had Charybdis turned into a monster.
Hence why Poseidon hates going near Scylla's lair as it fills him with dread and guilt about his daughters fate.
@@josephlaeng394 yes, I realised that after looked at her lol
3:10 EPIC is the only fandom where someone is exited that a guitar is playing and everyone understand why
@@theladsgaming605 that is so true. I love Jorge's use of Classical, Acoustic and Electric to show sides of Odysseus
Alot of ppl mentioning char not being able to speak...but even if she could she's busy breathing in to make the whirlpool. I mean...idk about you, but I find it reeeeally hard to sing when I'm actively drinking the ocean for the entire song
@@dunningkrugerfxs5848 that's true. The girl is swallowing water. Very true
@@arrowoffscriptWell, you *could* hear her roaring in the background.
@philipliao4006 I suppose so lol
The slow realization of what Ody was doing to Poseidon...
@@stomper8056 legit! I was so shocked after I saw the animatic
7:49 that's because every other female villain has a brain Charybdis is a giant sea worm.
@@steelefold9639 whaaaat I had no idea.
@@arrowoffscript 😐😎
If you get a chance, I highly recommend watching the livestream on Jorge’s channel that he did yesterday. The visuals to the musical was INSANE
Has Official animatics (ig) ofc
@@30092nana I did after editing this lol
Ody using the trident for over a minute and all of us were just cheering on Ody....
@ YUPPPP
@@TroubledFerretzz me personally.. i was just sitting there, jaw dropped to the floor for that whole minute
That Hermes laugh was truly like 1% too much let's all be real hahaha
My take on "I love you" is this:
1: She tees him up for lying to her. She's begging him to lie to her, and he does - he doesn't love her. It would make no sense for Epic's Odysseus.
2: Odysseus has embraced the monster, but deep down, at his core, Odysseus is a good man. So, in his final moments on the island, to comfort a clearly distressed woman who is cursed to feel the way she does, he tells her what she wants to hear. He knows he'll never see her again, so rather than hurt her needlessly, he says what she has wanted him to say for the last 7 years.
I definitely can see it from both points for sure. I do believe in some way he does mildly care for her, like because he feels bad, like you mentioned just telling her what she wants to hear. But, I think Calypso doesn't understand the gravity of what she has done to Odysseus.
You do make great points!
@@arrowoffscript Completely valid reading. I can see some part of him caring. Like recognising that in some ways she's just as trapped as he is and sympathising. I don't think Epic's version of Calypso recognises what she's done to Odysseus. Epic seems to be going with the version of her that's cursed to feel and do as she does, and if that's the case then she wouldn't know that she's in the wrong, and a curse is definitely something Odysseus could recognise in her.
@GodBear97 I mean Jorge did mention they'd only nod to what Calypso did and what Penelope goes through. But that's a choice, which is fine honestly
@@arrowoffscript I think for what Epic is, and what it's intended to be (a musical on a stage) it's the right move. Assault scenes like that would not play well on a stage and just be super uncomfortable, but the nod and acknowledgement of what happened in the source material is super appreciated imo.
@GodBear97 I mean Jorge never specifically said for on Stage. Just because of all the visuals required. But I do understand what you're getting at
"You must be who Hermes mentioned"
>mentioned Charybdis 0 times
@@akihikosakurai4013 legit lol 😆
@@arrowoffscript "when danger greets with a smile"
@alexeysimushov4971 I was about to say, the gods almost NEVER give definite reference to anything in the entire musical when talking to mortals, Hermes may not have SAID "yeah so in 3 days you're gonna run into this chick Charybdis, she's a real monster, but don't you worry, she'll be breathing in the whole time." but he DID say that danger would greet him with a smile and no matter what, just keep moving.
@otaca1317 it's so true like. They are acting like the Oracles lol
@@alexeysimushov4971 Hermes also said "When strangers lurk around the isle", so that part was most likely referencing the Suitors, as they're strangers to Ody, and also a danger to his family and home. Just look at Antinous.
THE WHIRLPOOL OF EMOTIONS 😭💀
@@sweet_piiano quite literally
so charybdis is a giant, non humanoid sea creature, meaning she, unfortunately, doesn't have a voice.
@@alexmoore8441 lol, I noticed. I looked her up and uh called her a huge Sea Cucumber
@@arrowoffscript technically, she's a giant sea cucumber with a gaping maw and dozens of pointed teeth, that going off the animatics for the song for EPIC, cannot completely close, probably bc it has no lips.
1:21 the sun god at this time was Hileos, not apollo he was still just the god of music and archery.
Charybdis is pretty much like the aquatic cousin of the sand worm from dune so it doesn't really have a voice
@akihikosakurai4013 thats so true. I remember I looked her up, and called her a giant Sea Cucumber
13:10 ody going super saiyan
@@akihikosakurai4013 he is having his anime moment
thanks for the reaction :DD
Im kind of conflicted considering her first song was kind of predator vibes with how one of the first things she mentions was how she wants to jump into bed with him, and im a goddess so you cant do nothing lol. big oof.
@Insomnia-dr4fk it is one of the goals of Not Sorry For Loving You. To feel conflicted.
I don't like Calypso as a character. But the songs are beautiful. What she did is terrible, and us feeling conflicted is totally okay. Because even she herself is conflicted, since she believed what she did was love, when really it wasn't.
Loved this reaction!
@@hawaiianshaymin thank you!
odysseus summoned his own chorus!!! i feel like he awakened his 1/8 divinity, that plus he is de hermes grand grand son whos power is speed, and 600 strikes requires a lot of speed
@@adriel8498 wait I didn't know that!?!? That's sick omg
His eyes were red, maybe Ares helps him too😅?
@@fidonguyendo8847 his eyes were red in prior songs and like here, there is no hint in the musical towards the intervention of Ares in the music unlike Jorge has done before like using the instruments to clue us in on "Penelope" not actually being Penelope, lacking the instrument she was introduced with back in The Horse and The Infant, before the reveal it was a siren pretending to be Penelope in Different Beast.
Nice reaction!
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Hi! New sub here! Also im not sure if you reacted to troy, cyclops, ocean, circe, underworld, thunder and wisdom? If so? Im not sure if you mind to say official facts i know?
Edit: you should watch jorge's live stream and it has official animatics that related to the story
@@ProtoX2011 I've been listening to the sagas since the first one released. So it would be hard to do a pure reaction to it
@arrowre_acts tbh if you watch the latest live, youll get it why vengeance is dark due to the official animatics tbh
If you do want I can do like "semi reactions" to them tho!
@arrowre_acts maybe but its your choice not mine
@ProtoX2011 I wouldn't mind lol
Did pay attention through half of it. Yeesh.
@@madhatter6063 I was actually, I was searching the lyrics up to actually properly know what was going on.
Charybdis is a giant eel like monster so no you wont hear it sing
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Not you literally talking about the music side of everything- the time signatures, the strumming patterns, etc🫶🏻🫶🏻
Not but fr though you should watch the animatics!! They added so much to the story!!
i dont say this with ill intent but since you talk so much i think it would be a better choice (next time maybe) to either lower the songs' volume dramatically or maybe start pausing. i can barely hear your commentary, and it sucks since thats what we're here for :/
@@sockpop no, thank you. I'll keep that in mind next time