I gotta say: "Mountain pass" makes up for a great vacation spot - nice ridge to climb on - abandoned mining facilities make a great historical sight - trees, fresh air - nice tiberium fields sparkling in the distance to look at What could you ask more?
I've been playing and enjoying C&C since 1995 and I don't 'get' it on anything close to your level. Your commentary gives me whole new layers to enjoy the game on. Me: oh, sold the barracks, got some dudes. You: so this isn't going to be an infantry hammerhead play. Love it.
Damn, these players were both incredible. Well played to these guys. Thanks for all of the hard work you're doing for the C&C community, this was super entertaining and it's awesome to see that so many other people are rooting for this franchise to make a come back!
huh, I remember this, I must've watched it at least twice already. Pretty old game (but a good one). Space should've used artillery hidden behind enough anti air, instead of feeding infantry to sonic cannons. Just two or three spectres would've done it, or maybe 4 beam cannons boosting an Obelisk to double its range - this latter can take out epic units so fast.
I don't even watch but I like the commentary as I play some games myself lol. I do sneak a peek when it sounds like something interesting is happening.
It's more expensive (and sometimes slower) to make an outpost, so it depends on the stage of the game and the experience level of the players. Good players know how to play with no radar for a short time while the MCV is on the move. It's just something you get used to.
Outposts are $1500 down the drain, and take valuable time to set up. It is technically safer, but it’s a waste of money for something that could be done for free
One of the changes in 1.02+ community patch. In my opinion they over did it. They wanted to change it to be more effective like the Rift Generator, but they did so clumsily and without care.
@@OneSybert yeah I agree, it looks very OP. They could have just increased the damage of the smaller beams if they wanted it similar to the rift generator. Or better yet, reduce the damage of the rift to be equal to the other super weapons.
@@pyrosauria7444 it's not damage, just speed. The original *ion cannon* couldn't hit anything which moved. could be tweaked and made a bit slower... but on the other hand it's a superweapon, expensive and takes forever to charge.
Was this video recorded pre-committment to the space intro in the 2v2 video? Edit: I think it was a mistake on Space's part not to get purifying flame and then running his purifiers in close and also often having his mantises out of position.
@@OneSybert yeah. Rush isn't a word that I should use there, but you get the point :) the truth is that one of the players got the "idea" little bit later, and executed it with success
You are 100% correct though. There's a couple of times where a player has gone for 3-4 flames in the late game, alternating them along opposite sides of the map, and gotten big damage done to enemy tech or infrastructure.
Kane's Wrath is great but epic units can make it so boringly cookie-cutter and by the numbers. It no longer becomes a game of manoeuvring and economic and production, out-witting your opponent etc it's all just around the epic unit and taking it out, yet when you do 1 minute later it gets replaced and the cycle repeats.
надо понять очевидное, ракетчики против вертолетов слабоваты, делать ставку на стационарные пво из-за уязвимостей по электростанциям тоже. у блекхендов ракетный танк явно слабоват, и его могут заменить только байки+багги. всегда идеальная страта против любых врагов это тех4+тех1+апгрейд в максимальном количестве - при условии что не сидят в аналке.
It's annoyed me for such a long time just how pathetic nods anti air is. Mantis do so much damage but their pathing is the most handicapped of any single unit in C&C history. For some reason the same tib core missiles only do half the damage when launched from base def. I wish balancing was a thing on this game
I’m not a pro player, but Nod AA always struck me as very powerful. You can see in this game that if it wasn’t for Masterleaf’s tight control of his Hammerheads he would have lost many, many more to the mantises. As for base defense, it’s already very powerful (specially AA) so I suppose it makes sense for Tib core missiles to do less damage when shot from SAMs
Nod AA is very powerful with splash, but their AA is usually very low health. Sam sites can be sniped individually Bikes, Stealth Tanks, Mantis are all low health and buggies and venoms can take a bit of damage, but not much. Where as AA batteries from GDI and plasma missile are both tankier.
It's splash damage is wonderful, but when you take into consideration that it's so easily destroyed I find that it simply can't hold a candle to the GDI AA batteries with the tungsten shells upgrade. Those things melt everything. I will say however I love the spread you can get in terms of area coverage that the NOD Sam sites deliver. And the fact that the missiles once fired will hit their mark regardless of range. I'm very far from a good player to be honest so I can only go by feel. I just feel in terms of money spent, NODs base AA is just not delivering. What could possibly balance this is, say if an enemy unit is in range of a single pod, then all the pods can target and fire upon that enemy unit, that might boost them up too much however, but just a thought.
Since the GDI and Scrin AA are tankier could it make sense to slightly beef up NODs AA health? Or reduce cost by say 5%? I don't think any updates are coming from Devs anymore lol, but we're just tossing around ideas. Everytime I watch these I get so inspired to try out some of these strategies myself
"One Vision, One Purpose!"
KAIN AKBAR!!!
Wheres Kane!?!
"Peace Through Power!"
The technology of peace!
Kane lives in Death!
I gotta say: "Mountain pass" makes up for a great vacation spot
- nice ridge to climb on
- abandoned mining facilities make a great historical sight
- trees, fresh air
- nice tiberium fields sparkling in the distance to look at
What could you ask more?
Not being obliterated in a turf war while you're doing this wonderful day out?
Would be fantastic until the Black Hand and Zocom show up to Duke it out and you end up caught in the middle.
Not dying from the Tiberium infection and/or radiation? The stuff can get airborne.
MARV assembly complete
I mean i really enjoyed tiberian sun fauna and flora. Those green sorta palm trees will be a nice addition
the rocket pods on the redeemer have surprisingly long range, pretty damn good!
I've been playing and enjoying C&C since 1995 and I don't 'get' it on anything close to your level. Your commentary gives me whole new layers to enjoy the game on. Me: oh, sold the barracks, got some dudes. You: so this isn't going to be an infantry hammerhead play. Love it.
Damn, these players were both incredible. Well played to these guys. Thanks for all of the hard work you're doing for the C&C community, this was super entertaining and it's awesome to see that so many other people are rooting for this franchise to make a come back!
huh, I remember this, I must've watched it at least twice already. Pretty old game (but a good one). Space should've used artillery hidden behind enough anti air, instead of feeding infantry to sonic cannons. Just two or three spectres would've done it, or maybe 4 beam cannons boosting an Obelisk to double its range - this latter can take out epic units so fast.
Ive been waiting for a match up like this! thanks for delivering!
Man.. with the games you've been casting lately, I'm gonna have to get a nail insurance :o
This is exactly what I've been waiting for
That was a good game. That first ion cannon was perfect
I don't even watch but I like the commentary as I play some games myself lol. I do sneak a peek when it sounds like something interesting is happening.
That was an awesome game!
18:16 Counter-measures used too early.
Second game a tower/oil rig have insane value in low eco moments recently.
If you can't take don't forget to kill.
Your videos made me download C&C on pc, used to play it on console back in the days
Holiday sales are a good time to get C&C on either Steam or Origin.
@@OneSybert yup got it for 8€ or something although I have some issues downloading maps
Didnt I already see this? Oh wait, must have been the ML own cast :D
Great match.
how do i join this type of stuff ?
Games against Bikerush is always one sided, but games from literally anyone else is a rollercoaster
Okay, question. Wouldn’t it be safer to just create an outpost rather than move the base, where the radar goes out?
It's more expensive (and sometimes slower) to make an outpost, so it depends on the stage of the game and the experience level of the players. Good players know how to play with no radar for a short time while the MCV is on the move. It's just something you get used to.
Outposts are $1500 down the drain, and take valuable time to set up. It is technically safer, but it’s a waste of money for something that could be done for free
Insane game
Here we gooooooo
Wait, ZOCOM don't have railgun upgrade don't they?
correct, no rail guns for Zoc.
SPACE!!!
Was that an instant Ion Cannon?
Basically.
@@OneSybert Is that like a mod or something?
One of the changes in 1.02+ community patch.
In my opinion they over did it. They wanted to change it to be more effective like the Rift Generator, but they did so clumsily and without care.
@@OneSybert yeah I agree, it looks very OP. They could have just increased the damage of the smaller beams if they wanted it similar to the rift generator.
Or better yet, reduce the damage of the rift to be equal to the other super weapons.
@@pyrosauria7444 it's not damage, just speed. The original *ion cannon* couldn't hit anything which moved. could be tweaked and made a bit slower... but on the other hand it's a superweapon, expensive and takes forever to charge.
Epic Match
Did they buff the ion cannon? It's so fast
Yes they adjusted the ion canon timing so it's more effective against armies like the Rift Generator.
It's awesome 😎😍😍😍
25:36 close call to the nuke
Was this video recorded pre-committment to the space intro in the 2v2 video?
Edit: I think it was a mistake on Space's part not to get purifying flame and then running his purifiers in close and also often having his mantises out of position.
Yes, I think. I'm not 100% sure but I think this game sat around unedited for a little while.
Fun fact: Sonic Emitters can actually shoot outside of their targeting radius as long as the target is at the edge of it.
I think if something is outside the range you can force fire on the ground at the max range and splash it as well.
@@OneSybert Yep, that's how you do it.
Imagine a flame tank rush around 20 minute mark
"Rush"
@@OneSybert yeah. Rush isn't a word that I should use there, but you get the point :) the truth is that one of the players got the "idea" little bit later, and executed it with success
You are 100% correct though. There's a couple of times where a player has gone for 3-4 flames in the late game, alternating them along opposite sides of the map, and gotten big damage done to enemy tech or infrastructure.
Bullets and sonic waves VS lasers and flame
ZOCOM no Juggernaut is a dealbreaker for me
Raider Hammerheads very expensive
Atleast if BH replaced standard issue nod pajama rpg dudes with black hand members.
Tim Curry: SPACE!!!
holy shit , masterleaf finally beated space
gg
Kane's Wrath is great but epic units can make it so boringly cookie-cutter and by the numbers. It no longer becomes a game of manoeuvring and economic and production, out-witting your opponent etc it's all just around the epic unit and taking it out, yet when you do 1 minute later it gets replaced and the cycle repeats.
Specters literally would have won that game for 5pace
надо понять очевидное, ракетчики против вертолетов слабоваты, делать ставку на стационарные пво из-за уязвимостей по электростанциям тоже. у блекхендов ракетный танк явно слабоват, и его могут заменить только байки+багги. всегда идеальная страта против любых врагов это тех4+тех1+апгрейд в максимальном количестве - при условии что не сидят в аналке.
спейс сделал всё чтобы проиграть. в начале тупой раш 1 огнеметным танком, тупой спам пехоты, отсутствие байков и артиллерии
I think this has been the first time I’ve seen Masterleaf win lol
You must be new then.
It's annoyed me for such a long time just how pathetic nods anti air is. Mantis do so much damage but their pathing is the most handicapped of any single unit in C&C history. For some reason the same tib core missiles only do half the damage when launched from base def. I wish balancing was a thing on this game
I’m not a pro player, but Nod AA always struck me as very powerful. You can see in this game that if it wasn’t for Masterleaf’s tight control of his Hammerheads he would have lost many, many more to the mantises. As for base defense, it’s already very powerful (specially AA) so I suppose it makes sense for Tib core missiles to do less damage when shot from SAMs
Nod AA is very powerful with splash, but their AA is usually very low health. Sam sites can be sniped individually Bikes, Stealth Tanks, Mantis are all low health and buggies and venoms can take a bit of damage, but not much. Where as AA batteries from GDI and plasma missile are both tankier.
It's splash damage is wonderful, but when you take into consideration that it's so easily destroyed I find that it simply can't hold a candle to the GDI AA batteries with the tungsten shells upgrade. Those things melt everything.
I will say however I love the spread you can get in terms of area coverage that the NOD Sam sites deliver. And the fact that the missiles once fired will hit their mark regardless of range.
I'm very far from a good player to be honest so I can only go by feel. I just feel in terms of money spent, NODs base AA is just not delivering.
What could possibly balance this is, say if an enemy unit is in range of a single pod, then all the pods can target and fire upon that enemy unit, that might boost them up too much however, but just a thought.
Since the GDI and Scrin AA are tankier could it make sense to slightly beef up NODs AA health? Or reduce cost by say 5%?
I don't think any updates are coming from Devs anymore lol, but we're just tossing around ideas.
Everytime I watch these I get so inspired to try out some of these strategies myself
Rockets are overkilling i think.
Space好弱