How to Use a Chinese Pipe Bender, Step-by-Step - Kevin Caron
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- From www.kevincaron.com - Artist Kevin Caron shows how to bend solid steel round, square or flat stock using what is called a Chinese Pipe Bender. He shows the variable size dies, explains how they work, then makes two different bends using 1/4" square steel stock. He shows how to set the dies, how the metal block works, and how to determine what kind of bend you will get. See more how-to videos at www.kevincaron.com
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High quality for a mom & pop production. Much better then others I've seen. Tks
Thank you Kevin. I've learned a great deal from your videos. Much appreciation!
Once again, as my hobbies expand, I hit the google to learn how to do something, and what returns - good ole' Kevin - showing exactly what I wanted to know. This Christmas break, I'm just going to binge watch all his videos like Neo learning Kung-Fu in The Matrix. Thanks again, Kevin!
What a nice comment to wake up to!!
Thank you for being a fan.
I bought this yesterday morning. Got it mounted to the concrete very securely, then started reading on how to put it together and use it via the instructions provided. Watched 2 or 3 TH-cam videos yesterday, while trying to stay awake doing so. Yes part of it was the intense heat we are having here in Southern Louisiana and mostly the (Yawn) videos. Started back again just now starting with yours. Bang it all clicked. Still sticky hot here, specially in the sun and it's not even noon yet. But you have done a great job telling, showing and videoing everything in a light comprehensive manner. Most of all saved me some time on 2 different types of custom U bolts I need. Great job. Thanks.
Happy to help. Thanks for watching and posting!
Thanks. Just bought the bench top model. Looking forward to trying it. Interesting how it drags the metal onto the die.
I have used mine for years manufacturing. Bending the rated max: 1/4X2 inch stock. Handle extended and I grunt on every one. For the sharpest bend (no round die) 90 degree bends around a 5/8" bolt (the included pin didn't hold up, so I use long 5/8grade 5 bolts). Oiling the pins and dies makes it smoother and easier. I have made lots of "U bolts" out of allthread rod, and even bend rebar sometimes. For larger diameter dies I have stubs of pipe that slip over the factory dies. Nice demo video!
That was neat to see demonstrated Kevin. Thanks for posting it! -Kevin S.
kevin your a good teacher ive had mine for a year and i havenot used it now i will try it out thanx man.
Thank you Kevin. I got one, without the manual. So before your video, I had no idea how it worked.
Had to figure it out myself as well. The manual is next to useless!
Very good demonstration on rolling the material around the die. The square block needs to be set back far enough so as to prevent binding which prevents the material from "rolling" around the die vs being pulled around the die.
I have the bench top model. Sometimes I weld the ends of three or four pieces together, bend them, cut the welded ends off and that way I have identical screw ups... Your 6minute and 53 seconds video gives more info than that crazy manual that came with it. Helps that your first language is English... Thanks guys!
great no nonsence approach video, was on the fence about buying one as I do alot of metal work and bending by hand, (never over my head though). Heading to harbor frieght for one, Thanks for a great video Kevin
Glad you liked it!
Really cool set up. My Dad and Grandpa are fabricators and have those cool tools. I plan to make metal corbels and Texas shape from rebar to place in my carport cement.. this looks like fun..
It is fun but be careful! It is a slippery slope that leads to more tool buying and learning great things like welding and painting! Your carport will quickly become a shop and the car will have to live outside! Thanks for watching and posting.
enjoyed watching that video kevin, thanks for posting it up.
This is actually really well done. The only thing I could complain about is the audio but at the same time I never couldn’t understand you. Great video.
Heck, I have a hard time understanding myself!
Awesome. I have one I bought on a closeout sale a few years ago. No real need but it was too cheap not to buy. So far I haven't used it. Now I have an idea how. Time to do some bending. Thanks!
Harbor Freight also has a scroller tool that makes dandy scrolls from 3/16x1" (or smaller) flat stock. Make little S scrolls for ornamental work. It plugs into the top of this bender and is made as an accessory for it. Cheap tool but quite handy.
Very informative video, thanks Kevin!
Thank you, have you been to my website yet? Lots to see over there also.
I have been playing with the stick welder again. Still learning....
Just picked up a HF bender at a garage sale, this video helps, thanks
Handy little machine and it takes a lot of abuse with no problems.
Nice video Keven. Thanks for the demo. I am jealous of your shop., very nice and neat
+doomedalready
Thank you! takes a lot of work but I am real happy with where I work/play everyday!
Probably one is the best personalities on TH-cam!
Now you got me blushing! Thank you for watching and posting.
@@KevincaronSculpture my work does keep me busy, but did I miss the video where we meet the woman behind the voice “Hey Kevin, whatch ya doing?”
Thanks for the video Kevin !
I've had one of these benders for 20+ years and never used it !
I think it's time for me to get some scrap steel out and play with it ?
I find myself using it more often then not...
decent honest review, i like it
Been playing with that myself. Want to turn some pipe dies on the lathe and give that a try. So much playing/learning to do....
Is not a pipe bender is a rod bender
You got me on that one!
The office manager is in charge of the videos. I will have a word with her....
Any videos of you using that beast of a mill drill in the back there?
Good video, one idea I've found on a few occasions the metal wouldn't get grabbed by the moving die I clamp a vise grip very tight on the edge sticking out to catch on the die and it'll drag the metal with through. It works well with thicker material that's been heated.
Great tip! Thanks for sharing...
If you place the block in the swing arm instead of the stationary frame, the stock will follow it right through without slipping. The original Hossfeld bender that all these compact things are clones of, came with two blocks. Much bigger though! Hossfeld videos can give you some really good ideas for bend setups!
thank you Sir,you are very helpfull
Perfect information I needed.
Glad it was helpful!
I am really trying to figure out how to effectively measure my bends before bending with this. It is becoming very hard to get an accurate inside to inside dimension and figure out where to place my material to get a certain dimension with my harbor frieght compact bender. Thanks for the vid on how to use!
Thank you for watching and posting.
Thank's Kevin.
Thank you Kevin! Just picked one up at a yard sale $40. Hopefully no more hammer vice game!
Hey Kevin, big fan of your videos! I found one of these old benders in my dads garage and it's missing the square block. Any chance you or someone can measure it for me and I can make my own? Would hate to buy a whole unit just because of one missing part. Keep up the killer work!!!
Grizzly industrial sells them for $4 each. Part number PH3183010. It’s off of their H3183 bender, which is the same machine. Grizzly is a great source for a lot of the Chinese machinery. They sell the same stuff as HF and Northern Tool (albeit held to a higher quality standard) but they stock all the parts for anything they sell. Can’t say that about HF! Grizzly is also a great supplier of mini lathe and mill parts.
Hi. I've enjoyed watching your videos. Thank you very much for taking the time and effort to produce these great videos for us. Can you bend circles or ovals with this tool, such as the oblong master links used in chain slings?
Yes you can. Just don't go too thick with the stock.
@KevincaronSculpture does this work for ½ rebar?
Good video! Thanks!
its a Hossfeld pipe and tube bender but can be used for a lot of different applications
looks good,thanks
awesome video thanks ....may have to get one of those.. if you were trying to make a complete circle out of that stock , but small ...like a ring for a finger ...could you do it ?
+Art Silk
Only goes down to about 1 inch. Might have to make your own die to go smaller....
Cool. I have one and also got the scroll attachment. Takes some fiddling and lots of mistakes. Since there's so much leverage, watch your fingers!
Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching!
Hi kevin. Finally a video giving insight into this bender I got. Thanks. I have a little problem. I'm bending 3/8 steel rod to make hairpin legs and notice that at the bend it is not perfectly symmetrically. No one would probably notice it if not looked at closely. Have you had this problem? I'm wondering if maybe preheating the metal would help to get a perfect bend
Does this work for ½ rebar?
Thank you . you are realy a good teatcher i wish you make some stick welding vids about tips and tricks please
Yes, you can make a 9 inch dia. bend with this machine. You will have to do it in sections. You can't do it in one bend. You will have to bend a little and reposition your metal and bend some more. The biggest die for this machine is 3 inch.
I want to see where you put the pin when bending over your head and what caliber, I mean size pin you use.
I was thinking of getting one of these from Northern Tool next month. I want to Ben a hinge st different angles. Square, rectangle, triangle and circle. Would this work for that?
I did it by hand, with rebar earlier. It worked. But, not sure the angles are perfect.
I think with a little practice this will work just fine for that..
I have noticed that! You have to really careful about the spring back. I just set up the travel stop and make sure I bump against it every time.
Just one of the joys of playing with metal.....
Like butter!! No problems at all...
Once you make some pipe forming dies on the lathe from bar offcuts you will be surprised at how good a job it makes of bending pipe and tubing. I have bent some 3/4" schedule 40 pipe in mine with great results. No reason to think it won't bend bigger but just not had the need yet!
Keep looking at that and trying to get the time... I do have to get it done someday..
Kevin Caron, Artist I totally understand! For me, I tacked their manufacture onto the end of similar jobs. I had my blanks chopped up on saw when cutting and then in a box by lathe to get faced and drilled when doing similar. The grooves were roughed out on a mandrel with two at a time on it. I ground up my profile tools on cutter/grinder and kept them with other bits by the lathe. One evening I got done early and managed to profile most of them in an hour or so.
Now thinking that maybe I should of made more as swaps! I did common copper pipe sizes and think a one inch set next.
Nancy only looks curiosity thanks
hey Andrew, do you mind sending me a pic of some of your round and square dies you've made on the lathe? I can give you my email or phone number if needed. thanks!
Christian Keith no worries,will sort out some. Where you based? Anybody who shares our common passion welcome to workshop anytime. Kettle always on and biscuits are in the tin. Sorting some hydraulic rams for some farm machines at present, interesting job,bit of turning,bending and welding.
I have been trying to do something about that.. Either make the parts or find them so I can do pipe.. Just been busy.....
Is not pipe bender is rod bender
It's a great little tool for doing the quick and dirty work. Use the heck out of mine..
Can you do a volute with this tool?
Hi Kevin, thanks for the explanation. These are for sale on eBay over here in germany. Can you tell me if the bender does 90 ° bends or only "rounded" edges? I'm working with flat bar most of the time
it does come with a 90 attachment. Don't use it too often..
Kevin Caron, Artist Thanks!
Hi Kevin great vid but can you bend a spoon or forks for rings and bangles ? Can you gradually feed it with these items so it’s a complet circle? Any chance you could do one to see as I don’t want to buy one if it can’t be done , looking more at the bench bender . Thank you
It will only go down to about 2 inches is diameter and you will probably have to close up the last little bit by hand.
Kevin Caron, Artist Thankyou for speedy reply looks good and sturdy compared to jewellers ring benders that’s usually for softer silver and gold and way to expensive just to bend something so hopefully I’ve come across something more practical on cheaper metals where I need a bit of force and to speed up on items I’m making 👍
I would love to know if this will bend #5 rebar(15 mm) (or #3 even, 10 mm) Great vid as usual Kevin!
It will probably do 15 mm but you won't want to do too many of them. I can bend railroad spikes (about 17mm) cold with this and a 3 foot cheater bar. The top of the post it is mounted on twists when I do.
@@KevincaronSculpture Exactly the info I was after, thanks!!
Thanks again for another great tutorial. I know the specs say it will bend 5/8 round steel stock. But do you think it could actually do 3/4? Thanks for sharing, liked it.
I have bent railroad spikes in this machine. I am sure you can do 3/4 stock with it as well.
Thanks, I knew I could count on a quick response from you. Great channel!
very cool vid, having a blast with the oxy acetylene, would this work with square tube/
seems it's missing the ridge, would it just crush it or bend it? thanks
No, will not work with square tubing with these dies.. You need to get the right dies online first..
thanks
Kevin Caron, Artist actually it does a decent job of bending 1/2 in sq tube over 3 die
On your second bend you couldn't this because the metal needed to move as it rolled around but you can keep the metal from moving buy putting vise grip pliers on the end at the hold block. I bent some loops made from hot roll half inch,( about forty which were about 2 1/2" width,) to weld to large, heavy bead plates at work for the purpose of picking them up with a hoist. I made them out of hot rolled half inch. I cut each piece of rod around 10 inches I think and with a little trial and error on a few pieces I found the point where I needed to mark all the pieces to clamp the vise-grips. This allowed each piece to remain at the hold block so I could get repeatability and once bent the ends would come out even
***** I didn't mean hot as in heating the metal. You could heat the steel on larger pieces for easier work-ability but I mean hot roll steel which is basically mild steel that has the black coating on it. Hot roll comes in many sizes and styles like most angle iron and many flat stock come in hot roll and the edges are rounded. Cold roll steel is usually shiny without the black coating on it and the edges are usually sharp corners with no rounded edges and cold roll will machine much better than hot roll as well as it is an I would say "gummy" steel when machining, you know the qualities like tensile and such,. Hot roll is the cheapest you can buy for general fab work and welding but if using a small welder, I mean one that doesn't get very hot it always best to grind the black coating away because it may not get great penetration and burn in well. A "hot" stick welder will burn it in well though although a small mig may not.
awesome shed
Thanks for watching!
Love that bow saw on the wall.
+Best Services You are the first to notice it! Found it in an antique store on Cape Cod...
+Kevin Caron, Artist Very nice - BTW, you were very helpful taking my call a couple weeks ago about Everlast welders. I now have the 255EXT and water cooler and will be tackling the cart build as my first project. Thanks for the help.
Hope you told them you talked to me.. I do make a living selling the machines..
Mitchell, I need to make a 9 inch diameter bend for a shepards hook, 1/2 rd stock. Is that pssible on this machine? Thanks
Can you bend round rod? Like 3/8 cold rolled steel?
He did say solid stock, but thanks for reiterating. Now if only there is an easy way to bend a pipe without collapsing it, My search on youtube continues.
Just a observation. You could get the formers and slides to bend pipe in there so the description technically isn't wrong. Just not set up for bending pipes as it is.
Just got one great 👍 video
Great to hear!
Sure, come to my website and look under videos-milling machine.. several for you see...
Yes, just go slow and keep the stock straight.
What??
I ask if it were possible make a nine inch radius bend with this machine.
Thanks
Bought one today . Dyin to use it but gotta set anchors in the floor. First.
I have used the heck out of this tool. Still going strong .
Hey Kevin, do they make tubing dies for this bender?
I have seen them online. But not at Harbor Fright
Kevin Caron, Artist - I will have to look around and see if I can find some. I think they would be useful
@@KevincaronSculpture any links to the dies? I know this is a old thread.
Save space: Weld a trailer receiver hitch under your bench.. Weld or bolt various tools to a plate under which you have 2" stock welded... Slide it into receiver when needed.. I have lots of tools under my bench that simply slide int receiver hitch...
Great idea!! Have to look at that for my shop.
I did the same thing with my welding table. I have six 2" receivers at various places under the table top. I have bench grinders, vises, table top extensions, even an overhead light mount that I use. I also built a "storage tree" which holds them all when I'm not using them on the table. The hard part was removing the weld seam from inside the receiver stock. I did that with a broach.
yeah buddy...and you can use that base for several other applications!
Would this bend 3/4" Round Bar Aluminum, Stainless Steel and Brass well?
Ok, thank you
Can you make roll cage bends with this?
Not strong enough to do that wall thickness. You need a hydrophilic bender for that.
you could drive shaft loops for drag racing .
I am sure I would be an awesome "before" model.......
But I will take it as a complement anyway......
Do you think that item is able to bender a number 4 steel bar (12.7mm or 1/2") in an angle of 150 degrees?
Just barely. With a 4 foot cheater bar. I can do railroad spikes but it takes a lot of force.
Thanks Kevin, your opinion was very helpful.
I have another question, How much money cost the metal lathe like you have on the back on your workshop?
Cant see the bender. Ad is in the way??
Could you bend electrical conduit with this?
No, wrong dies. Need a pipe or tubing bender instead of a stock bender
Nice Lathe..... South Bend?
Sheldon.
do they sell dies to bend round stock on these benders?
Not that I am aware of.
The included dies work great on round, square or flat stock. I’ve made hundreds, if not thousands of round stock bends on them.
How large of tubing can that bender take?
It is not for pipe; this machine is for flat stock up to 2.5 inch wide. The name on the video is wrong.
I think the correct name is "Norfolk universal bender" They were made by a company called J.Abbey engineering of Watton Norfolk UK for many years, I think they are now long gone. The design was picked up and used by intermediate technology publications ltd. in the late 60's or early 70's I have a copy dated 1973. They made it into a unit and design that could be fabricated by blacksmiths in third world countries and published a booklet with plans and how to use it to make wheels for an Ox cart.
will this work with light weight pipe like top rail pipe sir? thanks for any more information
+iwantosavemoney Not with the flat dies that come with it.. You will need a different set for pipe
+Kevin Caron, Artist thank you for your reply sir am trying to bend top rail thin pipe any suggestions would be greatly appreciated sir
Look for a pipe roller instead.. Might be just what you need...
It's not mostly for solid stock. It's only for.
What about hollow pipes? Will it bend it without kinking?
Not with the dies that come with the bender. Calling this a "pipe bender" is incorrect. It is a stock bender. You can get or make pipe dies for this but you won't bend anything bigger than about 1.5 inch diameter.
@@KevincaronSculpture o
Do you know how to bend 1 inch copper pipe?
Sorry, I have never had to do that.
I bought one a few weeks ago and it's been in the corner of my shop mocking me. I guess it's time to bite the bullet and start experimenting.
It's a great tool when you get used to it!
My Harbor freight bender was so poorly made that two of my long pins we the wrong diameter and don't fit through the roller or dies. Also, one of the 3/8th mounting bolt was missing.
Must have been made on a Friday!
@@KevincaronSculpture On Friday, in China, on the third shift. By 9-year-olds.
Can you bend rebar with this machine.
Thanks
Yes you can! I have bent 1/4 inch with this machine.
@@KevincaronSculpture thank you
how much euros cost it?
Will this bend rebar?
Up to about 3/4 inch with no problems.
Can u bend smaller tube in that?
Not with the dies that come with the machine. It is a "stock" bender, not a pipe bender.
@@KevincaronSculpture i seen somone using wheel guides for barns and gates to roll it around. Im gunna try that out
Why are they called pipe benders,when it seems you can only bender solid stock.
I bought one of these years ago to bend tubing,(never got around to using it),which in my mind was pipe(same thing) and now it would appear i need to go buy something different.
Don't know how that name got stuck on this machine.. It is a stock bender. You can buy a set of dies for it to bend pipe on the internet...
cool
I bought one of those from Baileigh for $250. It turned out to be the same Chinese one they sell at Harbor Freight for $90. I was so mad, I thought I was buying an American Made one.
WOW Kevin, What a great shop you have. What type of tubing bender for a diy guy like me would you suggest making???
See my wind mill projects on captain lee youtube
Thanks for all your advice and tips. and for your wife for making little questions.
Much better than an American pipe bender.
I have one just like it, great tool for the money...
Hey lets see voice do some metal work and you run the camera;-)
Where can I buy Chinese pipe?
+Beardly I think it's all Chinese now!