I grew up in northern Manitoba, Canada. We lived right next to a Y and just a short distance from the icehouse and roundhouse. (I'm an older woman). I remember watching the trains using the Y and playing in the icehouse. My mom and dad's people were all railroad folk. One family worked for Canadian Pacific (CP) and the other for Canadian National (CN). Lots of somewhat friendly arguments about which was the better one.
The reverse loop system is sort of what we often do in the Netherlands to turn trains around. Our network is quite densely packed with various railways that connect to make loops where trains can run around. It isn't common to see such movements but it has happened before when a multiple unit has a flat spot and has to be oriented in a certain direction for the wheels to be in the right direction at the works, or with a charter run where running in the same direction is preferred over having to switch end frequently.
Charlie, another superb video! This is a great explanation of a wye and how it works. I like the set, too, with the model of the Amtrak train and other railroad items. Beautifully edited and voiced. Thanks! Dan Page
In my state of Florida, Amtrak has a wye for the station stop at Tampa Union Station. They use the wye in Ybor City to reverse the moves into the station.
There’s an existing ‘balloon loop’ in McHenry, ND. It was used for a tourist rail ride for some time. But, I think it’s no longer running. If you go to google maps you can see it. That section of rail is no longer connected to any mainline.
Go to the theme park Dollywood and ride their steam train, the Dollywood Express, pulled by one of two ex-White Pass & Yukon 2-8-2’s to see reverse loops in action daily. And go to the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum to see a wye being used multiple times daily.
They park it on what was the lead track to Atlantic Steel. Years ago Amtrak would drop an engine and a sleeper or two from the south bound Crescent, then a day train from ATL to New Orleans, at Peachtree Station to await the northbound Crescent which then was scheduled to depart around 7:30 or 8:00 in the evening.
The quality of your videos is outstanding. Thank you. I had to laugh at your comment about Amtrak having to wait for CSX freights. Outside of the NE Corridor, Amtrak has to wait for everything the Class I RR throw at them. This is why the US will never, ever have good quality passenger RR service. If it were up to me, I would scrap all long distance Amtrak trains in favor of service like the NE corridor that would limit the duration of a run to 6 hours or less. Couple that with multiple trains per would be a big jump forward for rail transport. Oh, and also, passenger train priority over freight!
I've seen a video about a similar process for the Silver Star down in Tampa. As for balloon loops, I believe we have at least one in New Zealand. It's in the town of Woodville, and right next to the junction where the Wairarapa Line leaves the Napier line. One time I saw two steam locomotives get turned around on the balloon loop.
Does this work for all passenger trains that are not AMTRAK? I'm asking this because the Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority (MBTA) also has trains that go in one direction, but I don't know how they move leading locomotives from both ends.
Nice video! I watched this operation back in early January one morning when 19 had a Dash 8 second. You should consider making a trip up to Harriman, TN sometime and do a video on the wye up there. They turn entire BNSF coal trains on that wye to get them into the TVA Kingston Power Plant and to get the empties routed back to Chattanooga. I got lucky back in January and caught an empty train turning the wye.
I am looking forward to the ATL-> DAL service when it begins. CPKC is working right now to upgrade their tracks between Meridian MS and Marshal TX to support the train. Once that's done they just have to train the crews and sell tickets.
sometimes railroads use a loop as well. Find the Miami FL AMTRAC station on EARTH and you'll see a loop wraps around this station at the 'end of the line'
As a European, this all seems awfully convoluted, and the only reason I can see for such operation is that you want the consist layout to stay the same, and yet in Europe we are fine with the layout being flipped (so like first class goes from being at the front of the train to the rear). Will it really confuse Americans that much if the layout is flipped?
@@connieembury1 But density is more efficient. If the locos were back to back, you could use points to get to a parallel track, run round to the front of the train, and then use another set of points back to the original track, and be hooked back up in 5 minutes tops. This took what, half an hour at least? And that's not even talking about things like a DVT or top and tail.
@@mattevans4377 IIRC, Amtrak prefers to have engines facing the same way (elephant style) on its long-distance trains so that the 2nd engine is able to take the lead should the 1st one fail enroute. Having them back-to-back would render both engines useless as there are seldom any wyes nearby. OTOH, two engines elephant style are rarely used on shorter routes. Such services are usually solo-lead, two engines push-pull or push-pull with cab car.
@@RestrictedProceed Can they not do distributed power like the freight railroads, so if an engine fails, you can still drive the other one from the first cab. Would also save on crew costs.
@@mattevans4377 There can be situations where the 1st engine is incapable of physically leading the train, for example RXR collisions, broken windshield or control system failure.
It was very interesting to see but why not just attach a locomotive at the front and one at the back, with cabs facing outwards? Much more efficient that way.
There is one more that you for got to mention and that is run around the train like Strasburg railroad does do the run around the train at Paradise Pa and Strasburg Pa
Believe it or not i rode a train around the lower revising loop of Grand Central Station NYC.had to hold my fingers in my ears while going around that as a tight loop
Has it never occurred to American railway companies to put the second power unit on the back end of the train, facing the other way, like European trains? That way it can go both ways without all this extra time and track to change directions. Amtrak seems so backward compared to European transit systems. Even their carriage consists often don't match in design.
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The legend back at it.
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@@DV_Graph1cs That's my spot, child, you know this. 😂
@@LocoPro why do you say child When he Is a Grown Man mister Nathan
@@DTRProductions.Destin is not a grown man.
@@LocoPro then why did you said child
Thank you for breaking this maneuver down in a clear and concise manner. Excellent production!
Southern railway 8202 will be running this spring v12 productions.
I grew up in northern Manitoba, Canada. We lived right next to a Y and just a short distance from the icehouse and roundhouse. (I'm an older woman). I remember watching the trains using the Y and playing in the icehouse. My mom and dad's people were all railroad folk. One family worked for Canadian Pacific (CP) and the other for Canadian National (CN). Lots of somewhat friendly arguments about which was the better one.
That's pretty cool
1. Locomotive(s) at both ends
2. A wye
3. A turntable (only for a locomotive)
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Even though this is something I'm familiar with, you do such a good job telling the story, as always. Great work!
Thanks!
Cool, THANKS, Ron
The reverse loop system is sort of what we often do in the Netherlands to turn trains around. Our network is quite densely packed with various railways that connect to make loops where trains can run around. It isn't common to see such movements but it has happened before when a multiple unit has a flat spot and has to be oriented in a certain direction for the wheels to be in the right direction at the works, or with a charter run where running in the same direction is preferred over having to switch end frequently.
Charlie, another superb video! This is a great explanation of a wye and how it works. I like the set, too, with the model of the Amtrak train and other railroad items. Beautifully edited and voiced. Thanks! Dan Page
Thank you Dan!
Definitely love these videos!! Another winner.
Thanks!
In my state of Florida, Amtrak has a wye for the station stop at Tampa Union Station. They use the wye in Ybor City to reverse the moves into the station.
There’s an existing ‘balloon loop’ in McHenry, ND. It was used for a tourist rail ride for some time. But, I think it’s no longer running. If you go to google maps you can see it. That section of rail is no longer connected to any mainline.
Go to the theme park Dollywood and ride their steam train, the Dollywood Express, pulled by one of two ex-White Pass & Yukon 2-8-2’s to see reverse loops in action daily. And go to the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum to see a wye being used multiple times daily.
I almost forgot about the wye at TVRM! I experienced that in the cab of 4501!
The nyc city hall station for the 6 line is an example of a balloon loop
They park it on what was the lead track to Atlantic Steel. Years ago Amtrak would drop an engine and a sleeper or two from the south bound Crescent, then a day train from ATL to New Orleans, at Peachtree Station to await the northbound Crescent which then was scheduled to depart around 7:30 or 8:00 in the evening.
Nice video. Love it!
The quality of your videos is outstanding. Thank you. I had to laugh at your comment about Amtrak having to wait for CSX freights. Outside of the NE Corridor, Amtrak has to wait for everything the Class I RR throw at them. This is why the US will never, ever have good quality passenger RR service. If it were up to me, I would scrap all long distance Amtrak trains in favor of service like the NE corridor that would limit the duration of a run to 6 hours or less. Couple that with multiple trains per would be a big jump forward for rail transport. Oh, and also, passenger train priority over freight!
Amtrak does this in St. Louis and Kansas City because they have to get Turned Around somehow. 😬👍🙏
I've seen a video about a similar process for the Silver Star down in Tampa. As for balloon loops, I believe we have at least one in New Zealand. It's in the town of Woodville, and right next to the junction where the Wairarapa Line leaves the Napier line. One time I saw two steam locomotives get turned around on the balloon loop.
Great video V12
Does this work for all passenger trains that are not AMTRAK? I'm asking this because the Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority (MBTA) also has trains that go in one direction, but I don't know how they move leading locomotives from both ends.
I think it would work for other passenger trains.
I had to do a presentation on east Palestine and used your video for evidence and got an A!
Thanks you:)
Can you make a video on the rebuild of NS 1067?
I'll look into it.
Nice video! I watched this operation back in early January one morning when 19 had a Dash 8 second. You should consider making a trip up to Harriman, TN sometime and do a video on the wye up there. They turn entire BNSF coal trains on that wye to get them into the TVA Kingston Power Plant and to get the empties routed back to Chattanooga. I got lucky back in January and caught an empty train turning the wye.
Didn't know about that! I'll look into going up there.
Years ago the RF&P had a wye and a loop
Charlie looks like @MilesinTransit's Dad. Nice work as always, man.
Hey, Amtrak uses that wine method every day when they service Tampa. 0:26
Love this channel, thank you please show us more.
I am looking forward to the ATL-> DAL service when it begins. CPKC is working right now to upgrade their tracks between Meridian MS and Marshal TX to support the train. Once that's done they just have to train the crews and sell tickets.
The Amtrak here actually ends here and turns around every single tirp twice per day. There is a Y about 3/4 of a mile from the station that it uses.
sometimes railroads use a loop as well. Find the Miami FL AMTRAC station on EARTH and you'll see a loop wraps around this station at the 'end of the line'
Great video! In the diagram, the legs of the wyee need to be long enough for the train to clear the switch.
You're right! I ran out of paper!
As a European, this all seems awfully convoluted, and the only reason I can see for such operation is that you want the consist layout to stay the same, and yet in Europe we are fine with the layout being flipped (so like first class goes from being at the front of the train to the rear). Will it really confuse Americans that much if the layout is flipped?
Lots more space in North America so we have lots of room for Y's.
@@connieembury1 But density is more efficient. If the locos were back to back, you could use points to get to a parallel track, run round to the front of the train, and then use another set of points back to the original track, and be hooked back up in 5 minutes tops. This took what, half an hour at least?
And that's not even talking about things like a DVT or top and tail.
@@mattevans4377 IIRC, Amtrak prefers to have engines facing the same way (elephant style) on its long-distance trains so that the 2nd engine is able to take the lead should the 1st one fail enroute. Having them back-to-back would render both engines useless as there are seldom any wyes nearby. OTOH, two engines elephant style are rarely used on shorter routes. Such services are usually solo-lead, two engines push-pull or push-pull with cab car.
@@RestrictedProceed Can they not do distributed power like the freight railroads, so if an engine fails, you can still drive the other one from the first cab. Would also save on crew costs.
@@mattevans4377 There can be situations where the 1st engine is incapable of physically leading the train, for example RXR collisions, broken windshield or control system failure.
V12 Productions did you hear about the rail Crossing incident in Ringgold Georgia just a few days ago
I did. Where the excavator was hit?
Yes
When it was involved in the collision with csx 777 ,03
It was very interesting to see but why not just attach a locomotive at the front and one at the back, with cabs facing outwards? Much more efficient that way.
I believe Amtrak coaches have seats that face in one direction. If you run the train in reverse, all of the passengers would be facing backwards.
@@frzstat Lol, what a dumb idea. :D
i understand of the concept of y, however to save time wastage seems more prudent running loco at both ends
If you look up Cayce south carlona train collision amtrak locomotive 47 was leading amtrak 91 after ace4 locomotive I don't remember the number
There is one more that you for got to mention and that is run around the train like Strasburg railroad does do the run around the train at Paradise Pa and Strasburg Pa
What channel do you listen to the train radio
A little bit of Music City Star action!
That was a epic horn show from amtrak train 19
Great video! I also stand in the back of my pick up sometimes and shoot over the fence! And I know that glass filled parking lot lol.
Haha nice!
0:44 omg NS 8105
Maybe like a dirt race car? Full throttle and turn hard right!
nice HO scale model you have there looks like a p42
Doesn’t Tampa have one for Amtrak?
Believe it or not i rode a train around the lower revising loop of Grand Central Station NYC.had to hold my fingers in my ears while going around that as a tight loop
Amtrak uses a balloon track in Miami.
Do a cab ride of a Norfolk southern et44c4 locomotive and do a horn show
Miami has a reverse loop.
Great depiction Brother 😊🙏🇺🇸👌
Thanks 👍
I didn't know trains make 3 point turns.
Stay clear of NS….
This 3 maneuver doesnt seem very efficient. Would it not be cheaper for Amtrak to have control cars instead?
Why !
Has it never occurred to American railway companies to put the second power unit on the back end of the train, facing the other way, like European trains? That way it can go both ways without all this extra time and track to change directions. Amtrak seems so backward compared to European transit systems. Even their carriage consists often don't match in design.
Q:How do you turn a train around. A: VERY SLOWLY
Nice
Impressive
Or running around the train
Amtrak bulding on bridge no Amtrak sine in front small parking lot what the
Have you see a mma train
Love your videos. Keep them coming.
More to come!