Clapped out Ford IDI Diesel Doesn't Start - Can We Save This Heap?
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- This old 7.3 IDI diesel won't run. Lets save it from the parts cannon.
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Be sure to tell me it's a 7.3. I love reading that...
I was so confused when you said it was a 6.9idi I was thinking my whole life was a lie.😂
Sorry
Hey, at least you realized it.
@@BearCat459 I said the same thing, and then he said turboed, and i was like what? and then the googles sorted me out right good. Now i want one..
Looks like a boat anchor to me...
Wow a definite gasp when you opened the door to reveal no floor!
That just reminded me of every GM 72-73 product I drove in the early 80's. Flintstone mobiles called them.
@@papasatitagin LMAO, good one
@@papasatitagin yes, I remember laying in the rear floor of my mom's friends car as a kid and feeling it sag... I later learned that's because the floor was gone!!! We had so many rotted out cars, and rode in so many.
I also used to think those "rusty Jones" stickers were put on rusty cars by workshops or someone! It was just that common.
That lil round mirror is so the driver can admire his remaining rocker whilst driving....
Your videos constantly reinforce the difference between a parts replacer and a mechanic. Stay healthy.
I went through the various stages of parts replacer before I could properly call myself a mechanic. At least when you learn things the hard way, you don't forget. :D
@@randr10 Learning to work with what you have is how you become a mechanic, not a great one though mind you lol. Being broke teaches you a lot
@@CharredSteak Yup. One of the first "repairs" I did on my first car was bypassing the leaking heater core with some 1/2" galvanized pipe fittings my father had laying around the shop. That was fun driving it the rest of that winter. I later realized all I had to do was loop one back into itself. 🤣
I came here to watch a mechanic, I didn't expect top tier necromancy.
I had a couple of customers like that. The don't understand how or why ANYTHING works. Unfortunately the have a box of tools and relentlessly use them to destroy everything they touch. Eventually they ask for help and steadfastly refuse to learn anything from my explanations of the actual problem.
Best I saw was a car that wouldn't start. Owner put two scrapyard engines in it before allowing me to replace the ignition coil.
Well done Wes for sticking in there!
The parts he put into it were worth more than the whole thing 🤣
That is what I am thinking. Just the injectors alone. Huge parts cannon with no results.
What are you talking about? Zip Ties & Bias Plies says she is Mint! 😂🥃
The fuel in the tank is worth more than the whole thing!
@@WatchWesWork You sir are awesome sauce. Not many if any mechanics would touch that vehicle. That you got something that jacked up to run AND drive is a minor miracle. That you did so with hardly any parts is unbelievable. My wife wonders why I bought and proudly wear a WWW t-shirt......Its stuff like this. Thank you.
@@WatchWesWork The fuel is the problem. That is what makes is hazardous material waste here in Germany. But with our inspections I doubt it would ever have gotten that far before being condemned as no longer radworthy. you showed on the first go around at least three issues that would have condemned the thing each on their own. some possibly fixable, others not so much (well, sure fixable, but by no means in any economical way around here. for some repairs like body work the labor costs are insane, although I absolute agree that the guys doing the stuff earn what they do for what and how they do it, especially around structural parts.)
Did anyone else find themselves screaming “f*ckin’ loyal!!” When it fired up?
For a split second I thought it was slave lake herself. Lol
She’s one sassy rig fer sure
MMMIIINNNTTTTTTT! 👌
How much sauce .... all of it ... what are ya stunned
As always Wes, you put out a great repair video with a K.I.S.S approach. I so enjoy your content, with no weird or annoying tricks to get viewer. Thank you for just giving content that is about repairs and how you got there.
KEEP UP THE PAITIONED GOOD WORK 👍 👏 👌 🙌 😉!
The parts cannon he threw at the fuel system makes sense, in that he knew the problem was with the fuel system not sending fuel to the engine. The problem is that the fuel sending issue was electrical not mechanical. Maybe he should have guessed that from the ground strap, but he probably also thought he eliminated that possibility with replacing “various fuses”.
Poor old girl been round the track a few times! She's asking for one more chance, bless her! :)
Seen a lot of farm mechanics ruin as much as they fix. I worked a job out in Western Kansas 11yrs ago and a coworker's 1997 Z71 quit on him. The only shop out in that area works on agricultural equipment. They claimed they put a fuel pump in it when they really only changed a fuse. Well it didn't last and they towed it back 3 times trying to fix it. We went home for a weekend and I brought tools back. We pulled his bed off in a motel parking lot and found the wiring to the sending unit melted all the way down inside the tank. We had to replace the whole unit and I had to rewire all the burnt up wires on the frame rail. He drove that truck another 4yrs without a problem but it cost him another $300 in parts on top of the $400 that shop robbed him.
That truck is a work of art. May she run forever!
It's all about commitment to the ones we love!
Those aren't whiskey dings; they're battle damage. Someone is out there working, and making a living in this war wagon. Bless them and more power to them. Thanks Wes; nice video.
Amen. The parts purchased may be more then the truck is worth but a whole lot less than a replacement truck. This one lives to work another day.
@@andreaechevarria6725 That thing will literally fold in half before the IDI stops running. That is, unless ole Peg gets ahold of it. Even then, maybe still.
The piece on passenger side first injector is for timing so it can be a critical component for longevity but here deleting it wouldn't cause much of an issue other than awkward behavior on that front cylinder. Two glow plugs under the turbo I use a 10mm deep with a swivel and an extension, penetrating oil, hammer the extension a few times, and they usually spin right up and out. Just did mine last month.
I thought it was used with a transducer to use a timing light
@@aterack833 I've personally never heard that but you may not be wrong. Also wanted to reply since it was stated all the glow plugs were replaced but not the injectors, I also was able to get both rear injectors out without removing the turbo. Easily one of the most convenient engines to work on, I vote Wes gets a fleet of IDI's and Powerstrokes.
The only purpose that part serves is to attach a tach n time to set pump timing. If it is not there you just use the clamp in the kit to put on the line directly
Wes, you and SMA have ruined me for other mechanics' channels. You and Eric O. always make a vehicle better than what you were given, beyond just installing new parts. I really appreciate that, and I hope to find a mechanic who treats my vehicles as you do.
This one was a veritable blockbuster for entertainment value. Thanks for the laughs, Wes!
You are a master at Bubba mitigation and minimal cost successful repairs (there is nothing more permanent than a successful temporary repair).
Bubba mitigation is always good on Cars, Guns, and political jokes.
It’s true folks! Wes can get ANYTHING started!
Long time watcher, first-time commenter.
So far one of my favorite videos. As a motorcycle mechanic (in Houston so I don't deal with rust) I too get the clapped-out rides. DIYers often times load the parts cannon after a 30-second youtube video. Nothing against youtube videos, I use them too and have learned a LOT from you and SMA and others, but I think the DIYers sometimes watch either not enough, or too much Scotty Kilmer so they aren't truly educated on the problem. By the way, IDK how you could watch him long enough to get banned.
As type this, the cameo you did on Hamiltonville Farm video plays in the background. That's the info DIYers need! Including an explanation of the good and bad, such as your explanation of cylinder wash.
Anyway, where I was going with this was, some of my customers scoff at the price and sometimes feel like they've done most of the work. I haven't been able to find a way to delicately break it to them they've actually made it harder so it took me longer to check out what was done to hone in on the original problem. And they are paying for my experience, tools, and time... the winning personality is free :) Being as motorcycles are toys in most cases, people scoff.
Again great job. Keep it cheeky sarcasm!
Kilmer was probably too drunk to notice Wes' comments, right up to the point where he banned Wes.
If kilmer banned Wes it was to keep him from stealing his viewers. This channel is much better than kilmers
I swear, after seeing what you and Eric O. have to wrench on for a living, and what most of our Northern brethren (Mustie1, Mortske, Junkyard Digs, the boys at Cold War Motors, et al) wrench on for fun, I'll never again complain too loudly about what passes for rust down here in the South. We surely get clapped-out junk (especially in GA which has no state inspection), but I've never encountered anything with a rocker delete package like that. . . And, hey, International engines don't leak; they just mark their territory.
Us notherners refer to things like the rocker delete as weight reduction. Improves MPG to help offset the lost MPG from our vehicles idling in our driveways until they create some heat so we don't freeze our gonads off for the first few miles
if you go up north, the rocker and cab corner delete is really common. hell, GM and ford trucks will come pre-rusted right from the dealership lot! Also, wheel wells, they just go away.
Somewhat akin to motorcycles. If they didn’t leak..meant you were in trouble..,you were out of oil. Lol
@@chubbysumo2230 what do you need rocker panels for anyways? I got rid of my wife's old impala when the side skirt got ripped off from a trip to the ditch, I went to put it back on and realized there was absolutely nothing left to attach it to 😅
Years ago an 86 cougar turbo sat in the parking lot where I worked. Everybody said it's just no good. Had to move it from its spot. Got a skinny tech to slide into it. Hooked up a battery. It started sparking furiously from the engine end of the braided ground cable to the firewall. It was belching black smoke and barely running. Shut it off tightened the loose ground cable. Restarted. Smooth as a kitten. Boss got in and test drove it. Ran like a new car. Customer came to pick it up. Then the wrecking yard tow truck arrived.
Hmm. Saved by the bell I guess!
Some take a high milage 7.3 and sleeve it down to a 6.9. Not completely sure why, but they do.
Wes spends the better part of his time sorting out all the owners fixes and can still find a reason to smile. Wes I think you do more for our trade than you know. Your great trouble shooting skills and strong ethics as well as being a down to earth family man makes your channel a must see. I'm retired now, but I absolutely look forward to watching you make repairs and just being you.
I'm am with you on taking the approach of starting from scratch, otherwise if everything the owner says is right he should have fixed it himself. Good video Wes.
This truck reminds me of every shop I’ve ever worked ats plow truck. No floor. Brake lines have been done a thousand times. Ratchet strapped gas tank. What a gem. Great video!
Bald tires, muffler laying in the box, blower motor doesn’t work, bumper delete, etc. Yeah I’ve driven a few of those!
After what a just seen, your placing a lot of faith in that customer to properly install the glow plug override switch 😂
The old guys in the local cafe must have figured they had you this time. I don’t know if they can find a worse wreck for you to fix but they will try for sure.
Two bottles of Lucas and she'll be mint 👌
Just bought an 84 f-250 with a 6.9 idi. It’s been sitting out in a forest for 20 years. Found out it was full or water cause the hood wasn’t all the way down, and the motor was locked up tight. Decided to pull it and replace with another 6.9. After pulling two motors found out the second motor was also locked up. Just finished a top end rebuild and she’s ready to go in.
I love the laugh every time Wes gets an engine running.
You're a good mechanic. Enjoy watching your videos. Good sense of humor.
Have you ever considered partnering with evaporust to hold an event where you fill up a pool and drive one of these old rusty trucks right into it?
IT will be all at the bottom of the pool 😂😂
It will Evapo-rate…..I’ll see myself out.
Why bother with Evaporust, just put it in a crusher and save time.
No door dinger! What a great blessing, they always try to get in my head when I'm trying to think through a problem. Tinnitus is bad enough by itself.
I once ran my old 84 f250 with a 6.9 dry of oil so bad once that it didn’t register on the dipstick. God knows how long it ran like that. It took 5 quarts to get her full again. She now has a blown head gasket, bad vacuum lines and no glowplugs but she still runs
As long as the truck starts, drive, and stops when I want it to, I'd take this truck any day over any brand new truck. I've got a '72 F-250 that is pretty pieced together this this, but it's still a great truck.
"a bad ground cable to the engine block"
translation" the rust that was connecting the rust to the other rust fell apart.
I still have one of the none turbo 7.3 IDIS . With over 1.2 million miles on it only thing changed on engine is front and rear main seals water pump and starter . Has been parked for 11 years need to go try it some time. These were even better than the first turbo one's were.
My cab was rotted like that I simply swapped cabs with a southern truck and I welded all new floor pans in the old one prepped it and rino lined the entire bottom side of the cab. It's on another truck and no rust issues after 7 years in salt and snow! The frame I sandblasted and painted it and sealed the frame up did the axles. Every bolt or nut I put axle grease and spray the used oil from oil changes under the truck and Frame inside the fenders and flares bottom of cab and never had anymore rust issues!
The 6.9 and 7.3 idi engines were one of the best ever made almost everything you did to get it running you could have done on the side of the road, if you know what to keep in your toolbox. I have every tool you could think to need in my toolbox for my 7.3. My 89 is the toughest old truck I've ever had.
I have both a 92 and a 96. 10 mpg with a 5 speed vs 16 mpg with an automatic. BUT. When it comes to the difference in the way they are engineered? I hate the Powerstroke and love that IDI. The one drawback is when they went from v-belts to serpentine in 92 I think? They made the pulleys and belt width to thin. It throws belts. My girlfriend bought it new in 92 and says it threw the belt almost right after she bought it. But I love it's simplicity. I broke a glowplug tip off in it. Left the key on rolling up power windows. More than once. I was able to vacuum the tip out the injector hole while looking down the glowplug hole whith a $200 boroscope. Lots of oil helps pry the mushroomed tip out I've found. An IDI head has insert swirl pre-chambers. Ether will loosen them. They start moving around. Use your block heater and glowplugs as much as you can. I like Wes's manual switch idea.
These engines have pretty high compression to start with, 21.5 ratio, more than the 17 or so for direct injection diesels.
Lol, not sure what "spec" is supposed to be, but it's pretty obvious that this one isn't anywhere near that value anymore. But, to be fair, once Wes had things on the surface straightened up, it did start in pretty short order, so I guess it's not too bad...
It appears that this one is a factor turbo and they had 17 to 1 compression.
@@madskillsgaming4745 This is not a Powerstroke. Powerstrokes arfe 17:1, and this is aftermarket turbo.
this guys just never misses with these thumbnails. Keep it up!!
Pup looks cold , Illinois and cold is a given. Get him a bed to sit on he will be happy then. Great day to you all.
PEG would be proud! Lol
Minnnnnnnnnnt!👌
Fu*kin loyal!
Nice job, Wes. We know he replaced the glow plugs...we can tell by the threads.
LOL!
That's a farm truck all day. My cousins had 2 Ford F100's that they drove around on the farm and worked on themselves. When the radiator went bad, they hooked it up to giant jug of water and coolant and if it got too hot, they drove it into the creek.
Wes I love your reactions haha 😂 great to watch. I enjoy seeing what crap 💩 box you will work on next
Well done Wes, that's one sweet ride but how can you sleep at night after giving back a perfect truck except for a working door dinger?
Even though that truck cosmetically is shot it starts way to nice to junk and seems like it’s still worth while to keep it going.
Perfect farm truck
Nah, that truck is done dude. It ain't gonna last another year especially with how it's been repaired
i have a 1993 in the same condition. I still love it. 4sp woth od. original label on the visor said to shift into od at 42mph. She will pull.
The sound the aeronose doors make when shutting is one I can never forget.
I started laughing about 5 seconds in.... then you opened the drivers door! I'm crying now.
"Structural Floor Mats"
Me too ,I thought too this was some kind of impossible resurrection or joke ,admire you Wes for determination !
The forensic skills with this one are strong, they are. Great job. Yes.. Cylinder wash.. lack of lube... Excellent. You must be signed up for every schematic provider...this side of the Rockies. I was looking for the circuit for the shut-off solenoid/valve. I was waiting for it to fire up and run-away... but, NO... You was too tricky for that nonsense. You sir...are a wizard.
Love the older diesel content. Inspirational
Whenever I see a 30 amp fuse on a 20 amp circuit, or similar, I die a little more on the inside.
Nice video Wes. Never agree to work on that truck ever again. I'm surprised the brake lines weren't cross threaded.
Manual controlled glow plus, IMO are teh BEST!
My old '82 Chevy that was converted from gas to diesel had manual control for it's glow plugs. Them electronic thingies DON'T know how to do anything, EXCEPT what they're programmed to do. With manual activation I'm able to Keep em light just a wee bit longer as we crank on out a cold start!
Just amazes me that some States don’t have vehicle inspections. Alas, hopefully this wreck is only used on a farm, etc. Either way.. another demonstration of your talents and patience, Wes!
inspections is just a ridiculous money maker for the state. I say no more. He said this vehicle will be trailered off the property and back to its job as a farm truck.
That's actually clean compared to some of the trucks here in the upper peninsula of Michigan lol. Seen some the bed is about to bounce off, the cab is held on by luck and the front clip is holding on by wires.
i do so enjoy seeing you work on those ford idi engines helps me remember why i don't work on them
Wow Wes,
Hope you don’t have any liability for helping put this truck back on the road.
Your very patient for sorting thru all the problems this vehicle has.
Enjoy your videos very much.
Best regards from across the river in Iowa.
I've heard a lot of people say they hate Ford. I grew up in a Chevy household... i just bought a 91 7.3idi 4x4... it seems to hate reverse... but im hoping I haven't made a mistake 😄
Last year I started my Kubota tractor, pushed the idle to 1100 and walked away to let it warm up. It died after a couple of minutes and I discovered the fuel filter had water in it, enough to suck a bit up to the fuel pump. After draining the water and replacing the filter, I was having a heck of a time getting the pump to prime. I gave it a quick shot of ether and tried again. I thought for sure I put a hole in a piston based on the noises I heard. It was horrendous. Some engines don't like ether. I charged the battery and never squirted that stuff in there again. Runs fine now.
Amazing what those old Mid West farmers will do to keep a vehicle "down on the farm"...God bless them!
I really like the hydraulic quick disconnects on the heater hose
Trick I learned working on old diesels in Alaska.....if you run a propane torch (not TOO high) in the intake to heat the air while crabking, even if it's super cold it will preheat enough to start. Did this on a few old Cat generators and even a buddy's 6.2 diesel. Just needs to get cylinder temp over 400 (with whatever compression you got) and she'll go. Those rings are SHOT though with that much blow-by, he'll she might even have a cracked piston. Hope you can save her though.
Wouldn't have thought it was going to run. LOL
But your summation seems spot on.
Damn those i.d.i's sound good. The west coast mirrors are the cherry on the top for this rig.
I would love to own this thing. would make a great daily driver!
And that list of replacement parts totaling up to more than the vehicle is worth is exactly why I take my car to a professional to have it serviced.
As Peg Leg would say... "Ya Don't Nee Dat" you know Safety Belts, Raditors, and Brakes. 🤣🤣🤣
Fun Video... Keep up the good work
I love the sound if the starter when that thing is cranking!
Wes acts like he want's nothing to do with this truck. Like he don't even want it in his shop. I got news for you Wes we can see through all that. Your eye's light up when your tinkering with one of these old Ford's. You love it and you know it.
I won't complain about the British M.O.T. yearly test ever again! I like to know that the bloke herding a couple of tons of steel coming at me head on (give or take) on a wet, twisty A road at night has brakes, windscreen wipers & tread on his tyres!
Great video though Wes. I could smell the diesel from across the Atlantic! 😃
This truck is on the wrong TH-cam channel. Should have been on Adventures Made from Scratch! Great job getting it running.
I had to gulp when I saw that truck. I have a 1994 f250 7.3 IDI also runs so well I just spent 6 K in removing every single dent and scratch, bumpers grill headlights lights door handles paint and outside trim. Now it looks as near to brand new as it can look. I just wish I knew more about mechanical repairs on it. I know it's about as basic as a turbo diesel can get as far as diesel engines can get and fortunately it has always run awesome, except recently I was driving home and it just shut off as if I was running out of fuel. I pulled over and cranked and cranked and it fired up but about 2 blocks later it did the same thing. Plenty of fuel, and a new fuel filter. I have been doing other work on it and has been so hot here (Florida) that I had it idling in the driveway for the AC. It never misses a beat for hours. Just seemed that running at speed on the street is when that happened. Does that sound like a fuel pump going out? Those engines have mechanical pumps and I have no idea how old it is. The truck has 190 K. The truck has been well taken care of under the hood ( I bought it several years ago). When those fuel pumps go is it all of a sudden, or can it be a progressive (here and there failure) I love the truck as it looks new now but am a bit scared to go a distance without knowing what might happen. I wish I. I know I'm asking a question that may have many possibilities, but it runs like a dream otherwise. I wish there were more 7.3 IDI turbo videos. After seeing the condition of the truck you featured I've fallen in love with mine all over again. Thanks for sharing that video with us.
Replace the pump they're cheap.
Goddamn they may not make much power but the idle sound of an old IDI gets me grinning every time
Back on the road earning its keep!!!! Starts better than a 2022!!
I know it's cold outside, but there should be a salvage yard around there that has an old 7.3 with better injectors in it. maybe check all the injectors you have then go and either find some used injectors or buy some new ones, depending how much money you want to waste on it. Anything you spend will be a waste on it.
I've got a 84 Chevrolet c10 with a 6.2 diesel and it's got a ton of blow by but the thing still runs quite well .
So glad we have MOT's in the UK to keep crap like this off the road.
What a pile of junk! I love it!
I was disappointed when I couldn't find the Ford-style starter relay on my 2012 F150. I was surprised to find one on my 2019 Harley.
EDIT: It actually doesn't sound too bad. I'd drive that thing everywhere.
thats an awesome old truck that has probably made him thousands of dollars and kept from walking in subzero weather for forty years. all it needs is some cutting and riveting now that you know what was wrong with it. old trucks are so great. compared to what theyre charging for a new one, costs per mile that thing is a steal if you can get it to run and pull/haul/push a few more years.
I have the same motor, with the exact same problems. A few notes - apparently, the IDI just naturally has blowby like that because of its high compression, even from factory. The GP relay cycles if even one is bad, so if they didn't replace the ones under the turbo, that'll be why. I wish I had 1/10th of the diagnostic skills you have dude or my truck would've already been running
I don't even how to comment on this one... Why would anyone put so much money into that of what's left of a vehicle? Great Video Wes! I learn a lot and fell out of my chair laughing.
I had a laugh when you said the customer didnt want to do the to GP's under the turbo. I feel his pain. I managed to do those ones on my 1994 with a bunch of 1/4" socket extensions and a 1/4" knuckle. The knuckle was at a 90 degree angle and was a fight the entire time. I have a 1988 now that I toy with that I'm having problems getting to start after sitting for a month.
billy bob and his 3 mates have had a go after several; bottles of moonshine well done wes
These IDI's won't start just on ether. I've tried starting mine with ether not knowing it was'nt getting power to fuel shutoff solenoid. No go. Needs diesel and ether. Try to keep the stock glow plug system, it uses a special 6v relay. Works best to use motorcraft glow plugs. These engines can be very cold blooded. Thanks for the video Wes.
when i worked in the diesel shop we used WD-40 instead of ether. ether is so dry... but WD-40 has some lube type stuff and is still flammable and your diesel wont become an ether baby...
12:20 damn reliable engine, you let off the fuel and it's still trying to start!
it overheated, lifted the heads due to fan clutch failure, and lost compression, got some coolant in the cylinders and worn rings. probably a bent rod or two from all the ether seen it tons of times with 6.9's and 7.3's
I love your comments and this " Success no maybe result" was a good one Keep up the work Wes and have a nice day to your all
The CLIFF was your best suggestion Wes. lol
That fan clutch has had it also! So many missing parts! Should be condemned. Needs a cab also!
Liquid tape and Heat shrink, I like. Considering used truck prices now, that truck could get a full restoration still make a profit selling it.
ole peg would have that IDI singing right along into town for a fresh pack of PC light.
Best thing you can tell the owner is that he has a little bit of time that would be best spent shopping for a different pickup
Definitely a well used Illinois truck if I've ever seen one
She's battle ready!
I'm just happy someone else in this world works on junk besides me!😁
When I saw that blow by, I said nope... then with enough ether and cranking younproved it could get warm enough to seat those rings.
I don’t know much about international, but I understand diesel.
Very detailed "Postmortem", my votes for the cliff...