Cold Start of the old Rolls-Royce Silver Spirit...
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- Hello and welcome back to Automotive Tales. Today we're taking a first look at our Rolls-Royce Silver Spirit and waking it from a 6 month slumber with a cold start, a very cold start.
So we're starting to get her up and running ready for Spring. We did this last year and only achieved one outing, but we're hoping 2021 we can get more use from the RR.
What you're looking at here is a very early, 1981, Rolls-Royce Silver Spirit, with the characteristic SZ chassis that ran under both the Rolls-Royce and Bentley brands from 1980 right through until the last of the Bentley Turbo RT models in 1999 - 19 years is a long time for any chassis to stay in production! She has the obligatory 6 and three quarter litre v8, with twin SU carbs and a 3 speed GM gearbox, now running full stainless steel exhaust pipes (as mild steel units were unavailable last spring when we needed to replace the exhaust for the MOT).
We're giving her a cold start to warm her through and check everything is in order, specifically the Citroen derived hydraulic suspension which worked a charm as you will see in the video
Check back for more updates on the Rolls-Royce as we have a few issues to address before the spring/summer season is upon us, and we'll do a bit about the trip we took the car on to Le Mans and the chaos that went with it!
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I was in England in 81, with the US Air Force. Saw a couple of these at a dealership in Oxford. They had yet to be imported into the US. The salesman was overjoyed to be able to show a yank these beauties even though there was no chance I would I would/could buy one. I still have the brochure. Friendly sales staff. Beautiful car. I remember the paint was incredible and looked a mile thick.
I wish I could say the same for the paint these days, but then I believe it has had a repaint at some point in its working life which was likely not done to Rolls-Royce's exacting standards. It looks good from 10ft though!
Love the old ROLLS-ROYCES and BENTLEYS as thy had so much more character and personally than the new ones , Very nice classic car.
Thank you! 🤗
instablaster...
That is best looking post-war body style. Much nicer than the current Phantom.
Have a look at a James Young bodied Silver Cloud.
Tick tick at cold start is the brake system building pressure. All my Shadows and Spurs do the same..
Best looking Roller ever made
Enjoyed the video, thanks for sharing! I wouldn't mind one of these, but I don't think I'd have the know-how to keep it running.
Beautiful motorcar.
Couldn't agree more! :)
Great cars, I recently sold our 86 spirit, she was a two owner car, 78k miles, I used her on my trips to London and it never let me down, the spots to look at are the rear spring hangers as they always rot through, and always check the hydraulic fluids, people have a habit of using the wrong fluids and it buggers up the system.
Unfortunately she had to go as two Rolls Royce cars do have a habit of emptying the wallet.........
Lovely video, great work
Russ
You're not wrong there Russ - the Duchess (as she is affectionately known here) is not a cheap date! We've a couple of episodes on the way about the annual MOT and minor repairs to keep her in top condition... empty my wallet certain feels. But, worth it for the experience of my specialist who continues to remind me I snagged a good car! Spring cups at the rear appear good and the hydraulic system has a clean bill of health for now (after some repairs in 2019 to cure the 'gangster lean' thanks to a failed self levelling valve mind you)
Glad you enjoyed the video! Lots more to come I hope! :)
@@automotivetales what a fabulous name for a lovely car like this old gal. Love it!
Call mine The Beast because it's huge though my work colleagues call it The Land Barge, after they've stopped moaning about it needing two parking spaces front to back.
looking forward to more !!
Thanks, I enjoyed it very much. Cheers from the Netherlands.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice buy. Looks like a very genuine car. A timeless classic.
Couldn't agree more!
Very nice interesting video. I would like more about this car if you can.
Perhaps a video about him using a can opener, would pique your interest?
Nothing beats the SHADOWS The best RRS ever made in my opinion.
You may well be right - although some see them as the first mass produced Rolls, making the brand accessible to more than just the super elite. That said, it was built with a level of craftsmanship I don’t think was seem again. It’s also a beautifully proportioned car… but was well out of my price range when I was browsing the car auction… the Spirit however wasn’t! 😃
That was jolly good 👍
I have an 81 silver spur getting that thing to come to life after sitting for months is a real chore
They really don’t like being left but always start back up once the float chambers are full again! 😃
Hi, my husband's friend has a 1988 EFI R-R Silver Spirit. He has just had all of the veneers on all 4 doors & the rear vanity mirrors redone by GDK Veneering in Crewe, Cheshire. Its run by Ged Gollins & he's done a superb job. Think he charges in the region of about 70 quid a piece.
I've heard good stuff about GDK - infact I've been watching them on social media for ages! I really need to get round to having the door tops off and getting that sorted as it will transform the car!
GDK are cheap but the results don't last long.
Of course if I had bought an "old" Rolls Royce (maybe a convertible Corniche) during the loock down I would have spent a lot of time bringing it to top condition! Congratulations on your purchase, fantastic car, Greetings from Italy
I would have loved to do this - sadly lock down was busier than ever with my work off TH-cam so my cars have been neglected somewhat! Hopefully this changes as we go into winter this year!
Very nice, I want one.
They aren’t as expensive as you’d expect! Get one bought!!
I really like what you did inside of the car! Very discrete. Like Admiral says you should check out the retro Blaupunkt radio. Would go great in there
Thanks! It was a good tinkering project and cost very little (other than time) to do - maybe I will upgrade to the Bremen in the future when I can afford to =D
It's alive!!!
Great video mate, new subscriber. I have a Jag/Rolls Royce/Bentley channel here too, cant wait to see your other vids, Beautiful Rolls, I loved my 81 Silver Spur.
Thanks Mitch! A Jag is missing from our fleet (although I did just find an old family photo with a MkX and an XJS, so it’s in the blood!) - will be sure to head over and check your channel out! 😃
Bought mine sight unseen from Mathewsons as well. Best car I ever had, new or used. Never let me down once from the moment it came off the low loader.
Should mention for the record that the descriptions videos and photos by Mathewsons were right on the money. And this wasn't the first Royce I bid for.
Have to say, they were a dream to deal with, and I think I was speaking with the famous Sarah Crabtree! Sadly she isn’t with Matthewsons anymore but she is working at Evoke Classics - go give them a look 😃
@@automotivetales Ah yes, the famous Crabbers. Remember her well from the TV show. Canny boiler that one, she'd be a great guest on a night out even without any prospect of "friends with benefits" benefits. (Not that I'd complain if said benefits came to pass but I'd have no expectations or illusions.)
@@automotivetales way ahead of you on that one. Have followed her there but not in the stalking sense of that🤣
There's a Harvey Bailey suspension kit for shadows and spirt spur cars
And the turbo R steering rack fits needs 1 adapter to hydraulic line
There's a weatherstripping update for the doors from a 99 spur
My car is usa fuel injected,I installed a 14v ignition box to the distributor dismissed the car it made it fast and Handel's well
I bet the exhaust note has a lovely Bach!
Keep her running she’s a beaut 👍🏻
We will... as you will see in the next episode in a few weeks... that is happening, she is back on the road now ready for clocking some miles after the measly few we achieved last year!
I have enjoyed your video's due to my interest in clasic cars, I have 3 bentley's and one of them is a T2 which I purchased recentley as a daily driver. My thinking to use a clasic car as a daily driver was based on the fact that most new cars are to firmly sprung and lack an option list that is not part of a packaged. Also my budget for a new car was about £40K and I reckon that in 3 years I will lose half of that so my T2 becomes a free car with an unknown value and although the fuel bill will be high there is no road tax and the insurance is cheap. With regard to the interior of your Rolls be very careful about touching up the leather as I also have a Jaguar 420G with which the previous owner had restored the leather (painted) and one stuck to it in warm weather, I had to have it fully retrimmed. Keep em coming.
I have a T2, the car every Silver Shadow aspires to be. That's what my Shadow II tells me anyway.
All leather is painted and the hides used on your Jaguar will have been all painted to achieve the coloured finish from Connolly. People later use all kind of crap to "improve" appearance but pretty much everything can be removed and a new colour system applied that in most cases will be superior to the original cellulose based material.
If you listen to the cranking you will hear one or more cylinders is low on compression. Might be worth checking.
Ah, that was because I’d popped a spark plug out to check for spark which is why it started making the odd noise but we’ll spotted! 👍
I used to work on used cars in the U.S. If we had valve lifter noise the first thing we did was add a can of STP oil treatment. Not sure if it is made any more. It was a VERY thick honey type oil that would clear up tappet noise 99% of the time. Just be sure to have the engine running and the can of STP warm when adding it to the crankcase, otherwise it will take a long time to empty the can.
It's not lifter noise.
That oil level check is a common feature on a lot of British luxury vehicles. The Rover P4 had it and I suspect so did the older P3. In any case it's a great feature to have.
Isn't it just - I had never seen it before, why more cars didn't have it is beyond me. Now all cars have it but its buried in the menus of a nasty touch screen :(
I saw a black "X" reg Silver Spirit in a village where i work a few years ago in 2012 !!!
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It had a patch of welding on the o/s/r sill ... just below the passenger door !!!
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(i'm sure the wood trim on the woods was so similar to yours ?)
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The car was so "dog rough" and unkept compared with the other normal cars parked in the street !!!
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The car was still just ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING !!! ... (as it looked so ostentatious)
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i thought of the track "THE BEST THAT YOU CAN DO - CHRISTOPHER CROSS" (AUTHORS THEME) , from the same year of manufacture !!!
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thanks for reading
It’s amazing how they have a presence even when they are roughy around the edges! Mine is certainly no spring chicken but it gets a lot of appreciation when it’s out and about! 👍
@@automotivetales Thanks for the reply !!!
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Oh dear they are beautiful, beautiful cars !!!
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(im sure the wood capping were the same color ... lol .. odd)
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I remember driving only an Allegro Van Den Plas and even that was "hallucinogenic" seeing the fields and countryside from inside !!!
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The other vehicle is the Jaguar Series 3 !!!
( the V12 versions must be incredible )
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Each day i drive past a BMW garage and have to admit that i see no virtues in them whatsoever !! :-(
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(Yep the new AMG Mercedes "A" sports does 0-60 in 3.3 seconds and is the most advanced car in the world !!!
(you buy a gearbox and tourque converter that is epic)
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Ah that beaten up old Rolls on a crisp dark evening was "crazy" "obserd" but still gleamed with such a brilliant presence !!!
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And YES you were right about having a stressful job and just closing the door and driving home !!!
BIG SMILE thanks for reading mate
@@automotivetales Just watched a video featuring the NEW Rolls Royce !
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OH YES !!! (what machines) !!!!
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The features on them (AS STANDARD) are like the list of phobias
Sybil Fawlty told Mr Johnson that plagued Basil's mother !!!
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"""""" I REALLY DON'T KNOW ... VOMIT OVER HER BASIL SAYS """"""""
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i'd rather your car any day of the week !!!!!!
BIG SMILE !!!
So have you seen the new Balupunkt Bremen SQR46? Instead of the more retro stereo you have, this is something which completely mimics the style of the 'digital 80's look' and can often be hidden behind a fascia panel. Looks well in most german cars from the period too.
I have and they are beautiful aren't they. Sadly this mod was done on a budget, what budget there was has been thrown at the suspension and drive chain to keep those in working order. I'd love to upgrade in the future though! Might need to sell some of the cars first... or stop buying more at least!
for some reason many of these old Rolls have that cracking issue on the wood. i looked at a 1999 silver seraph that was 2x as bad as yours. just crazy to see. even the rear tray tables... utterly ruined. im sure the manual told people to put some sort of protective spray or wax on them i dunno.
It’s the temperature extremes - left out on really hot days or freezing overnight can do terrible things to what is effectively furniture. It’s all easily rectified with a good crafts person!
Curious if these get converted to running on Nat Gas or Propane before 2030 when EV becomes important? How quickly internal combustion mechanics will disappear remains open to speculation.
That’s a good question! I suspect the easiest solution will be Synthetic fuels as they shouldn’t involve any modifications to the vehicle itself. Check out the ‘Future of Motoring’ Podcast we did in January (also on TH-cam) if you want to learn more about the future for motor vehicles 👍
Have always LOVED the shape of this model Rolls, even more so than the previous series shape. The newer shapes IMHO are just PLAIN BUTT UGLY, out of proportion, visual eye sores. Despite the running and maintenance costs, have always dreamed of owning one.
Seats look good from the video
Just saw your video. Very interesting! I am kind of relieved (I probably shouldn't) to hear the engine tapping noise... I've got a 1978 Silver Shadow 2 which does it so much at cold start, it almost sounds like a diesel engine. When the engine reaches temperature, the tapping noise eventually gets much lower but never entirely disappears. Not long ago I realized that last time it had the engine oil changed, they put 10W30 instead of 10W40, I wonder if that makes it worse. I am not too comfortable with the idea of having to open the engine to change a tappet or two, the cost of the entire operation really seems excessive to me...
They do tap a lot and the thicker oil might help keep it quiet down - they are (as I understand) derived from aero engines where they are designed to run for long periods of time so tend to be a little rough when they are cold until they are warmed through. As long as the noise goes away once its warmed through I wouldn't be worried. the suspension pumps are noisy too from a cold start so worth bearing that in mind.
@@automotivetales I suggest you don't give advice on topics you know nothing about. The V8 engine has nothing to do with aviation and should run well from cold. There is no suspension pumps although the rearmost one feeds the rear suspension in addition to the brakes. The pumps should not be excessively noisy from cold, just a light tapping when building pressure and then silence.
@@byteme9718 sorry - what qualifies you to be so knowledgeable?
@@automotivetales A long background working on these within the official network, being sent around the world to do work local dealers were unable to and owning a Silver Shadow II, T2 (far better) a Spirit and a Brooklands. As you may guess, I do all of the work myself. One of my long term roles was working for the world's only authorised coachbuilder where I also gained considerable experience of trim and wood restoration.
Is there anything else you'd like to know?
@@byteme9718 yeah, where are your videos about these cars? If you’ve got so much knowledge to use yo snipe at creators on here, put your knowledge where your keyboard is and get in front of a camera and make some informative content rather than criticising other people. Then maybe comment with ‘you misunderstand- see my video here that explains’ rather than just saying I don’t know shit - let me know how you get on 👍
Good grief: "A bit of wear on the valve train"? No oil pressure. But fun stuff.
It’s not that low for the 6.75ltr engine - and they are robust units, but this specific car has had a hard life having been a funeral car, lots of low speed, stop start and possibly shoe string maintenance so it’s by no means perfect, but it’s very useable! 😃
Oh God I've got a. 1983
It's completely redone with many mods buts it's been in storage since 2013
I've had 2 shadows and a cloud scene
I drove the shadows very lot
The sprit has been a wonderful car.
Watch my video Of rolls drive.
Money Pit cars ~I use to own a Camargue~1987, it was my grandfather's. Drove it about five years but got rid of it because would get mechanic bills of 5,000 or higher! And was the biggest gas guzzler ever ~It would fill-up with 200 dollars a week! NOW THE NEW ONES ARE UGLY GANGSTER LOOKING 🦀🤪
Yep, our other SZ car just cost £3050 for its last MOT, but it is such a lovey place to be - it’s an expensive luxury and quite opulent but I don’t have any other vices so I stick with it 🙂
Watch out for carbon monoxide when letting it run in the garage, even with the bay open. It has no cat !!
Hai, I am an independent classic and specialist cars trader based in the Republic of Ireland and also in possesion of a very similar 1982 Rolls-Royce Silver Spirit that I acquired in 2018 from Belfast, Northern Ireland, so it's also a U.K. car first registered by some lady in Birmingham. I am looking forward to getting the bodywork and mechanicals done on it, but just can't seem to find a legitimate business that could sincerely undertake this project.
A moderator of the Rolls-Royce and Bentley owners' club did suggest that the U.K. would be the best bet for it. Please advise if, what, where and roughly what could it cost.
I really like the noise of the L410 V8 and would like to try and explore some more noise and unrestricted horses out of the 6.75 litre unit.
I haven't as yet had any bodywork done on the Rolls (or the as yet un-disclosed SZ car) but the chap I use is Duane at Starmans in Market Bosworth in the UK. He has a bodyshop he uses that recently did a Camargue which came back looking astonishing! As for the nouse, I know Flying Spares (also in Market Bosworth) keep stock of a stainless exhuast system which is quite nice for these engines. They are close to standard so not boomy or loud, but release a little more noise. Mine was a bit 'raspy' once first installed but now its bedded in (ie it has a nice layer of carbon deposit on the inside surface) it waffles nicely.
The steering wheel is on the wrong side ?
I prefer to see it as the 'right' side... not the left side... hehe
Horrible sounding when cold. Ticky-tick-tock, but might have been the audio set up.. Nice interior though. Garage kept, for sure. Loved the well insulated bonnet/hood.
They are surprisingly noisy when cold - so as one of the other comments pointed out, that ticking is not the tappets but actually the pump for the hydraulic suspension and brake assist and it does go away as the car warms through and the suspension rises. Having it out in the warm weather we’ve just had, it’s quiet and tap free 😀
U need a new fuel pump & starter plus alternators😮
Start is fine... the alternator did turn out to be toast - we ended up replacing it in 2022 and it seems to be rock solid now, even with ligths, wipers, radio, and phone charger all on so hopefully thats one job off the list. Fuel pump hasn't given me any issues aside being a little noisy.
That is the loudest most rough sounding roller ever! That would petrify me
It’s not SO bad, once the choke knocks off and the idle speed drops off, and now the stainless pipes have bedded in, it’s quite quiet. 🙂
have you registered her as a classic ?
For insurance yes, but road tax not yet, it does depend on when the build date is and I suspect it just misses the cut for 2021... 2022 however will be a road tax free year hopefully!
@@automotivetales 40 year classics are ulez free in london ... 1981 silver spirit or 1979 mb 450 se .. which one would you choose ?
Tough choice!! I think the perversion of driving a 6.75ltr v8 ULEZ free tickles me the most! I expect I need to do this before we go back to Hampton Court Palace in September as that is inside the ULEZ zone now I think!
That garage is soo small for that boat😢
indeed - luckily it lives in a much more appropriate garage now!
Absolutely fascinating yawn, yawn, yawn. 🥱
This is a car
Yes, yes it is 👍
you got a noisy lifter there
it really does sound like that but its actually the accumulator pump for hte brakes / suspension hydraulics. I've had it checked out by Rolls Yoda and its correct - its silky smooth once its warmed up :)
@@automotivetales Still not normal. Noisy brake pumps were a common complaint on early cars. They also suffered from seizing and rapid mineral oil use due to outsourcing of machining.
British engineering....😢 is the gm motors....
WTF are you in about, the crap transmisson in these cars. They's have been so much better with a Torqueflite.
Can i have your BIG VOLVO BADGE thats on the wall?...........for free
for a decent donation to a suitable charity maybe! If you have some great car stories you want to share on camera - come to the studio and take it back with you ;)
That engine does not sound healthy ,,, bad tappat noise ,,,stststatatatat !
That’s generally the pump for the hydraulic pump and does go quiet once the car has warmed through and self levelled - it’s super quiet to drive around with no tapping noises at all. These engines are actually quiet agricultural on cold start which seems common from others I’ve seen
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It sounds terrible
they sound very tappy when they are cold but its less valve train, more the hydraulic pump - once its warmed through they are super quiet and waffle nicely with the stainless exhaust!
@@automotivetales
In a perfect world maybe but your RR is definitely knackered you even said “ it’s been running more than enough now “ and switched it off 😂
It might be tired but it zipped me down to Le Mans and back in summer with no major issues… so I’d say it’s just fine 😃
It was 100% british built Rolls Royce original engine not based on crappy American engines in any way. Please dp your homework before commenting on Rolls Royce, particularly classics. Best to delete the channel if you can't get things right or it's just misinformation which TH-cam bans channels for.
Thanks for the feedback. I’ll take 3 years of work off line because I got a fact wrong. I do hope you are perfect in everything you do. What Rolls-Royce do you drive and what engine does it have and what are its origins?
@automotivetales I drive a 1975 Rolls Royce Silver Shadow and have done so for a very long time. I also know RRs inside out and have done so for most of my life. You definitely need to delete and read a bit, then come back. I don't criticise unless I can back it up. Bye bye 👋