It starts at Rig Veda, 6.52.3 and go on. You can hear the eco of the previous verse. They probably started chanting before our friend started recording. The suktam is actually better without the first two angry vengeful verses anyway. 🤣 You can hear at 0:49: indro nediṣṭham avasāgamiṣṭhaḥ sarasvatī sindhubhiḥ pinvamānā | parjanyo na oṣadhībhir mayobhur agniḥ suśaṃsaḥ suhavaḥ piteva || 6.52.6 || Soon it mentions uShas, sarasvati, sindhus (as generic rivers), parjanyo (rain, son of dyaus), parvata (mountains) e dhruva (which seems to mean imovable) and the pitaraH (ancestors, "fathers").
wish we know what these mantras really wanted to communicate. can't be just the literal mention of rivers and mountains in such elaborate fashion (hundreds of thousands of verses)! what if LLMs can decode the vedic sanskrit.
@@chandermatrubhutam2384 I'm so glad that you came back for my answer! If you can, try to understand Gayatri. That should be enough for a lifetime. But you are right. Sometimes, it bores me to death. Rig Veda's enumerating style is hard to our modern mind. But we can also say that they didn't know any better. How to express spirituality and sacredness without enumeration? In need, you call the gods! When you are fortunate and happy, you praise them with sacrifices! Keeping them in your mind will bring you joy, wellness and prosperity. Remember how the little fish is protected by Manu. The fish grows and grows untill not even the ocean is enough. It turns out to be Brahma! So... you have to let it grow on you 😊 My guess is that the rishis saw meaning where we might not today. The upanishadas came later to summarize to the more logical and less metaphorical mind the deeper meaning of the verses. Most of them are compilations. I will make an effort to test my translation of the verses, but I can say this... You might remember that parjanya is the son of prithivi with dyaus. In other words, the rain is how the sky shows love towards mother earth. As fire is love of prithivi towards dyaus. From the sky river, comes the earth river. From the river itself, comes life. The cicle goes on. See how the Chandogya Up. explains it. एषां भूतानां पृथिवी रसः पृथिव्या अपो रसः । अपामोषधयो रस ओषधीनां पुरुषो रसः पुरुषस्य वाग्रसो वाच ऋग्रस ऋचः साम रसः साम्न उद्गीथो रसः ॥ १\.१\.२॥ ēṣāṁ bhūtānāṁ pr̥thivī rasaḥ pr̥thivyā apo rasaḥ . apāmoṣadhayo rasa oṣadhīnāṁ puruṣo rasaḥ puruṣasya vāgraso vāca r̥grasa r̥caḥ sāma rasaḥ sāmna udgītho rasaḥ || 1.1.2 || "The essence _[rasa]_ of all beings is the earth, the essence of the earth is water, the essence of water [is] plants, the essence of plants [is] man, the essence of man [is] speech, the essence of speech is the Rig [the verse], the essence of the Rig is the chant [sAma], the essence of the chant is the udgItha [Om]." Plus, Sarasvati was such an important river goddess to Hindus Valley Civilization! The herds grew, they had food! Then economy, cities, literature! Then, she died!!! It is such a trauma in the dawn of hindus civilization that it caused Yajur veda to shatter in two versions, and nowadays we have the desert of Thar beyond Bharat, in Paquistan. Also, China is trying from half a centiry to take Tibet, where Mount Kailash is. Imagine that a lot yoga's past is now out of Indias reach! You might find dramatic, but Sarasvati's death still hurts my heart (which matters), 4 thousand years later. Fortunately, we still have Ganga, Indus and so many more.
Danger! Attempting translation... indro nediṣṭham avasāgamiṣṭhaḥ sarasvatī sindhubhiḥ pinvamānā | parjanyo na oṣadhībhir mayobhur agniḥ suśaṃsaḥ suhavaḥ piteva || 6.52.6 || "Indra, unsurmountable, comes down swiftly, drank as a river by Sarasvati, As Parjanya [comes, bringing] the nourishing fire [Agni] of herbs, like a loved and adored father." Or, in my own language (pt-br) "Indra, insuperável, desce rapidamente, a ser sorvido por Sarasvati, toda rio, Ele-Chuva [Parjanya] [desce, provendo] o prazeroso fogo [Agni] das ervas medicinais, como um pai amado e adorado."
It starts at Rig Veda, 6.52.3 and go on. You can hear the eco of the previous verse. They probably started chanting before our friend started recording. The suktam is actually better without the first two angry vengeful verses anyway. 🤣 You can hear at 0:49:
indro nediṣṭham avasāgamiṣṭhaḥ sarasvatī sindhubhiḥ pinvamānā | parjanyo na oṣadhībhir mayobhur agniḥ suśaṃsaḥ suhavaḥ piteva || 6.52.6 ||
Soon it mentions uShas, sarasvati, sindhus (as generic rivers), parjanyo (rain, son of dyaus), parvata (mountains) e dhruva (which seems to mean imovable) and the pitaraH (ancestors, "fathers").
thank you!
wish we know what these mantras really wanted to communicate. can't be just the literal mention of rivers and mountains in such elaborate fashion (hundreds of thousands of verses)! what if LLMs can decode the vedic sanskrit.
@@chandermatrubhutam2384 I'm so glad that you came back for my answer!
If you can, try to understand Gayatri. That should be enough for a lifetime.
But you are right. Sometimes, it bores me to death.
Rig Veda's enumerating style is hard to our modern mind. But we can also say that they didn't know any better. How to express spirituality and sacredness without enumeration? In need, you call the gods! When you are fortunate and happy, you praise them with sacrifices! Keeping them in your mind will bring you joy, wellness and prosperity.
Remember how the little fish is protected by Manu. The fish grows and grows untill not even the ocean is enough. It turns out to be Brahma! So... you have to let it grow on you 😊
My guess is that the rishis saw meaning where we might not today. The upanishadas came later to summarize to the more logical and less metaphorical mind the deeper meaning of the verses. Most of them are compilations.
I will make an effort to test my translation of the verses, but I can say this... You might remember that parjanya is the son of prithivi with dyaus. In other words, the rain is how the sky shows love towards mother earth. As fire is love of prithivi towards dyaus. From the sky river, comes the earth river.
From the river itself, comes life. The cicle goes on. See how the Chandogya Up. explains it.
एषां भूतानां पृथिवी रसः पृथिव्या अपो रसः ।
अपामोषधयो रस ओषधीनां पुरुषो रसः
पुरुषस्य वाग्रसो वाच ऋग्रस ऋचः साम रसः
साम्न उद्गीथो रसः ॥ १\.१\.२॥
ēṣāṁ bhūtānāṁ pr̥thivī rasaḥ pr̥thivyā apo rasaḥ .
apāmoṣadhayo rasa oṣadhīnāṁ puruṣo rasaḥ
puruṣasya vāgraso vāca r̥grasa r̥caḥ sāma rasaḥ
sāmna udgītho rasaḥ || 1.1.2 ||
"The essence _[rasa]_ of all beings is the earth, the essence of the earth is water, the essence of water [is] plants, the essence of plants [is] man, the essence of man [is] speech, the essence of speech is the Rig [the verse], the essence of the Rig is the chant [sAma], the essence of the chant is the udgItha [Om]."
Plus, Sarasvati was such an important river goddess to Hindus Valley Civilization! The herds grew, they had food! Then economy, cities, literature! Then, she died!!! It is such a trauma in the dawn of hindus civilization that it caused Yajur veda to shatter in two versions, and nowadays we have the desert of Thar beyond Bharat, in Paquistan.
Also, China is trying from half a centiry to take Tibet, where Mount Kailash is. Imagine that a lot yoga's past is now out of Indias reach!
You might find dramatic, but Sarasvati's death still hurts my heart (which matters), 4 thousand years later. Fortunately, we still have Ganga, Indus and so many more.
Danger! Attempting translation...
indro nediṣṭham avasāgamiṣṭhaḥ sarasvatī sindhubhiḥ pinvamānā | parjanyo na oṣadhībhir mayobhur agniḥ suśaṃsaḥ suhavaḥ piteva || 6.52.6 ||
"Indra, unsurmountable, comes down swiftly, drank as a river by Sarasvati,
As Parjanya [comes, bringing] the nourishing fire [Agni] of herbs, like a loved and adored father."
Or, in my own language (pt-br)
"Indra, insuperável, desce rapidamente, a ser sorvido por Sarasvati, toda rio,
Ele-Chuva [Parjanya] [desce, provendo] o prazeroso fogo [Agni] das ervas medicinais, como um pai amado e adorado."
So beautiful, which mandalam is this ?
it is mandalam 6, hymn 52. please, see my full comment.
yobrahmaanam vidhadhaathi poorvam ane saanthi manthram ye vedhamaa leka ye upanshad lonidho chepthaaraa. guruvugaru.