Season 4, Episode 8. "American Dream" is a classic!!! Ben's line, "In a polite society sir, you never call someone by their first name unless you are asked to." and ..."you sir are NOT a colleague of mine". Great stuff and well portrayed acting by both characters.
God I love Stone’s smile at the end- watching the smug, confident killer Swan finally realize he’d lost- and all that smugness washed away- at that moment, Swan realized he was done. Out of options - and afraid. Stone deserved to see that- his smile was well-earned. This was a GREAT episode- watching the smug, condescending, ‘superior’ Swan go down was quite satisfying for the viewer as well.
I was taught that when I was a kid. Refused to answer instructors if they called me by my last name without "Miss" in front of it or my name if I permitted it.
That is how to deal with a sociopath, 1. recognize their efforts/feelings (a lot of effort to be back where you started . even it is with a pinch of salt here) 2. put him in his place (not discussing terms of the deal with him) 3.explain to him why he is out of place (rules in society regarding of calling someone by first name) , 4.establish clear boundaries (we are not friends) , good show of psychological skills of stone here.
Yes. Ivanek is a wonderful actor. I think there are few actors of his caliber who could could capture Swan's smugness or narcissism. He has played a lot of 'suits', yet few actors have made the roles as distinctive as Ivanek. He won a well deserved Emmy for the series Damages.
"Phil Phil Phil... if you had just been satisfied with your acquittal, you could have walked away free and clear. But you just had to get greedy and come after me, didn't you? Well someone once said 'There is no Torrent worse than Greed'. Think about that for the next 25 years."
@@shannonrichardson5129 Ben never actually said that, but I'd like to imagine he would have. "Torrents of Greed" was the name of the episode where Ben faced off against mob-boss Frank Masucci. He lost, because he got greedy.
@@grf15 yes, totally agree. McCoy was too obsessed with winning, no matter the cost, or what he did to people. Ben Stone at least seemed to have a conscience, and a strong moral compass. I thought he had some great lines too!
Several of the Law & Order UK episodes, were redo's from the US series. I've watched seasons one and two of the UK's. Very interesting. Although I can't help but laugh at the wigs that are worn during the court scenes...😁💂😄
And for moms to give vague clues to identify the actors they recognize but don't know the names. "You know, the person in that one with the 2 guys that were cops in a car."
If Michael Moriarty stayed with Law & Order in time for the crossovers with Homicide: Life on the Street, he and Zeljko Ivanek (ADA Ed Danvers in Homicide) would have teamed up for the prosecution. It was Sam Waterston who teamed up with Ivanek instead in the crossover stories.
Guy struggles against the cops or bailiffs or whatever they are, and ... nothing happens. Guy woulda got a beat down, head to floor, bailiffs' knees digging into his back, "Stop resisting! ... Stop resisting! ..."
Philip Seymour Hoffman's first TV role (it may have been his first major credited role period) was 1991's "The Violence of Summer". It's fun to see actors early in their careers or before they became really big names on L&O, such as Samuel L. Jackson, playing a defense lawyer.
Actually in Iceland EVERYONE calls each other by their first name, right up to the president. Our current (2024, March) president is adressed as president Guðni (his first name).
I'd like to watch this episode from Season 4 but for some reason episodes from Seasons 3 to 15 are unavailable on You Tube. Seasons 1 and 2 and Seasons 16 to 20 are the only ones available for purchase on You Tube. When will all 20 seasons be available again?
That would be a Judges decision. If past legal involvement disqualified the Prosecutors, how would they be able to go after repeat offenders? Personal suits don't get to disqualify the DA's office.
@@pirobot668beta If the suit arose from Stone's actions in his official capacity then, as I understand it, it would not be grounds for recusal. If it were all someone would have to do is personally sue every DA and ADA preemptively.
It's always about personal preference. I thought McCoy skated too close to the line sometimes. There was one episode where I thought he was very disrespectful to Schiff. I had a problem with the character after that.
"In a polite society you don't call someone by their first name..." Boi, what are you on about? I grew up in what I would consider a polite society, and we all know each other by our first names, unless our names match in which case we still use first names, but use the first letter of our last name to differentiate when necessary. I think the thing he refers to is "posh society," which I want nothing to do with.
I was taught,first name if asked,never just tge last name Never,otherwise use the person's title. I argued with teachers in grade school & wouldn't answer unless I was addressed w/"Miss " before my last name. Still do that today.
Season 4, Episode 8. "American Dream" is a classic!!! Ben's line, "In a polite society sir, you never call someone by their first name unless you are asked to." and ..."you sir are NOT a colleague of mine". Great stuff and well portrayed acting by both characters.
There are some wonderful lines in this episode.
I wonder whatever happened to polite society?
@@asnowballinhell Polite society died due to poor ratings.
I would have loved to see Ben and Jack work together.
That's one of my favorite Ben Stone Scenes!
God I love Stone’s smile at the end- watching the smug, confident killer Swan finally realize he’d lost- and all that smugness washed away- at that moment, Swan realized he was done. Out of options - and afraid. Stone deserved to see that- his smile was well-earned.
This was a GREAT episode- watching the smug, condescending, ‘superior’ Swan go down was quite satisfying for the viewer as well.
Jack McCoy had showmanship. Ben Stone had a less flashy but highly workman-like professional demeanor.
In a polite society sir you don't call people by their 1st name unless they ask you too. An all time great quote.
I was taught that when I was a kid. Refused to answer instructors if they called me by my last name without "Miss" in front of it or my name if I permitted it.
@@kayequinn7146Is it not perhaps different when a superior, like an instructor, does it? 🤔
My favorite episode. One of the most memorable villains in the show's history and arguably Michael Moriarity's best performance.
Anytime I see this actor,I'm reminded of this episode. Excellent work all around
That is how to deal with a sociopath,
1. recognize their efforts/feelings (a lot of effort to be back where you started . even it is with a pinch of salt here) 2. put him in his place (not discussing terms of the deal with him)
3.explain to him why he is out of place (rules in society regarding of calling someone by first name) , 4.establish clear boundaries (we are not friends) , good show of psychological skills of stone here.
Zeljko Ivanek is a terrific actor. He can play a good guy or a bad guy tremendously well.
I enjoyed him in "In Bruges", where he was an obnoxious minor character.
He killed it as Ed Danvers!
Yes. Ivanek is a wonderful actor. I think there are few actors of his caliber who could could capture Swan's smugness or narcissism. He has played a lot of 'suits', yet few actors have made the roles as distinctive as Ivanek. He won a well deserved Emmy for the series Damages.
He was awesome as Governor Devlin on Oz.
also had a great guest spot on House. The guy attracts.
When Ben Stone calls you “sir”, you pretty much better get the priest for your Last Rites.
So 👍
"Phil Phil Phil... if you had just been satisfied with your acquittal, you could have walked away free and clear. But you just had to get greedy and come after me, didn't you? Well someone once said 'There is no Torrent worse than Greed'. Think about that for the next 25 years."
what episode is that?
@@shannonrichardson5129 Ben never actually said that, but I'd like to imagine he would have. "Torrents of Greed" was the name of the episode where Ben faced off against mob-boss Frank Masucci. He lost, because he got greedy.
Torrents of Greed,one of my favorite(2-part) episodes.
Great episode: I love the look on Ben's face when Swann says to him "I spent the last 8 years earning the right to call you whatever the hell I want!"
Never understood how Ben Stone barely moves his mouth but gets a whole paragraph out 1:23
Michael Moriarty is a pretty good singer, in addition to being a fine actor and a brilliant pianist
Ben Stone was a great character, I love how he stood for what’s right and stuck to his moral values
I never noticed this until you, and others, mentioned this. One thing is certain Ben Stone was one tough prosecutor. He was always my favorite.
Garry Forbes he really was a great character, and I love that SVU did a episode about him and they closed the chapter on the life of Ben Stone
@@grf15 yes, totally agree. McCoy was too obsessed with winning, no matter the cost, or what he did to people. Ben Stone at least seemed to have a conscience, and a strong moral compass. I thought he had some great lines too!
Zelyjo ivanec is highly underrated.
Moriarty had such a handle on the role, masterful.
Always preferred him & his character to McCoy
I loved this episode. He really put Ben through the wringer.
This was one of the most slick and narcissistic criminals in the show's history. It was later remade into one of the *_Law and Order: UK_* episodes.
yes with Iain Glen I believe.
Several of the Law & Order UK episodes, were redo's from the US series. I've watched seasons one and two of the UK's. Very interesting. Although I can't help but laugh at the wigs that are worn during the court scenes...😁💂😄
@Lizzie Allen ~ 😁😁😁...
I have to wonder. Precedent plays such a huge role in American jurisprudence. Is it the same in British courts?
@@gawainethefirst , actually, yes. They have another name for it, but yes.
“I can call you whatever the hell I want..”
Stone: Oh really?
I wish Ben Stone had stuck around for more Law and Order series
his characters son peter stone carries on the legacy in svu.
@@swastikausa It wasn't the same
well they both have an edge but i agreee with you ben was the best ada ever.
great actor! but prolly very difficult to work with.
Christine Crites
Why do you say that?
Funny thing about being polite... When Ben addressed you as 'Sir', you were about to get severely schooled.
I personally think that nobody said "Sir" as good as Ben.
Soft spoken but he could deliver the best 👌 one-twwo punch.
This is the ultimate show for dads. Amazing how many well known celebrities show up on it. 😂
And for moms to give vague clues to identify the actors they recognize but don't know the names. "You know, the person in that one with the 2 guys that were cops in a car."
Not a dad but my favourite thing is when an actor plays a cop then comes back and plays a crook, or vice versa, in a later episode.
Just here to say I say I like Pumpkin. You got a good latte recipe?
This episode- I’ll never forget it. This was the final scene, and oh the satisfaction!
I always knew who he was, but I never knew his name. But I'm so glad I now, what a terrific actor: Zeljko Ivanek.
he played a proecutor in homicide and the governer in oz. watch him in mass appeal with jack lemmon.
He was also one of the main villains André Drazen on the first season of 24.
@@stevezelaznik5872 I never really got past the first four hours of 24.
He won an Emmy for his role in Damages.
This was one of Ben Stone’s best case. Wish he was in Law and Order for this generation...
If Michael Moriarty stayed with Law & Order in time for the crossovers with Homicide: Life on the Street, he and Zeljko Ivanek (ADA Ed Danvers in Homicide) would have teamed up for the prosecution. It was Sam Waterston who teamed up with Ivanek instead in the crossover stories.
Ben Stone was the BEST!
Funny thing is I just finished watching this episode and now it’s on my recommendations
If I'm not mistaken, I believe he
(the man in handcuffs), was the DA in the
*Homicide: Life On The Street* series that was filmed in Baltimore...
Yup🙂
Ed Danvers
@@seanmurray5575 ~ That was his character name correct?
@@mikaylabansie9512 ~ 👍🙂
States Attorney Danvers
Oh, boy! I love seeing these clips. This was one terrific episode.
Aint this the guy who took hostages on House MD?
Yes, and he played an intellectually disabled man in The X-Files masterfully. Incredibly actor.
This was one of my favourite earlier episodes stone was a bad ass, this guy just talked to damn much
zeljko ivanek coming with the creep factor since I wasn't even born yet.
It was odd seeing him as a "good guy" in Donnie Brasco.
1:53 Ben Stone 👍👍👍
Guy struggles against the cops or bailiffs or whatever they are, and ... nothing happens. Guy woulda got a beat down, head to floor, bailiffs' knees digging into his back, "Stop resisting! ... Stop resisting! ..."
Agreed. My guess is that Ben Stone waved them off.
I can't wait for episode 17 lots of great scenes from that episode
Let us play hardball by Mr. Stone. Boom!
It would've been neat to have seen him as a judge and an appellant judge on both regular and SVU.
Stone cold.
So many actors started on Law & Order
mr ivanek was already well established.
I think someone said everyone in New York who could act got a part in Law & Order - even Madonna’s baby daddy was a regular on the show.
Philip Seymour Hoffman's first TV role (it may have been his first major credited role period) was 1991's "The Violence of Summer". It's fun to see actors early in their careers or before they became really big names on L&O, such as Samuel L. Jackson, playing a defense lawyer.
Zeljko Ivanek with Hair?
What Sorcery is This?
Actually in Iceland EVERYONE calls each other by their first name, right up to the president. Our current (2024, March) president is adressed as president Guðni (his first name).
Exactly...we don't know you...Thanks Mr.wright
Best Law and Order episode
Yeah...and when he calls you "Sir," you know he's POed.
It's Russell from Madam Secretary!
Ben Stone is the only person to get a conviction for Governor Devlin lol
my mind immediately goes to mr. sulu, in the chris pine's startrek movie. "don't test me....you'll lose...."
I'd like to watch this episode from Season 4 but for some reason episodes from Seasons 3 to 15 are unavailable on You Tube. Seasons 1 and 2 and Seasons 16 to 20 are the only ones available for purchase on You Tube. When will all 20 seasons be available again?
Wouldn't Ben Stone have to recuse himself from the case since the defendant had sued him personally to the tune of $10 million dollars?
That would be a Judges decision.
If past legal involvement disqualified the Prosecutors, how would they be able to go after repeat offenders?
Personal suits don't get to disqualify the DA's office.
@@pirobot668beta If the suit arose from Stone's actions in his official capacity then, as I understand it, it would not be grounds for recusal. If it were all someone would have to do is personally sue every DA and ADA preemptively.
A favorite!! 😍
Hey Cordell, why don't you just push him in? You can always say it was me
He's been playing creepy bad guys in a lot of shows, hasn't he?
This man is StoanCold
Liked him better as Ed Danvers
Anyone notice the finger at 0:45 ?
The timing lines up, to a tee.
back in the day when law and order has a soul and Ben Stone
Even Angela Lansbury
It’s Ed Danvers!!!!
Who???
Mic drop!
Holy cow! That Phil doesn’t sound like a Phil anymore! He sounds more like a Felicia! BYE!
good ppl who wouldnt have a thing to do with what you portray brian to be,....
Make your clips longer
LOTS of them on this channel are about 10 minutes. You must not be paying attention.
Well said but he is going to get you
Was he the Governor in Oz?
IM NOT DAVE KUNKEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stone is better then Mccoy
I say equal....
He’s equal
It's always about personal preference. I thought McCoy skated too close to the line sometimes. There was one episode where I thought he was very disrespectful to Schiff. I had a problem with the character after that.
Great script writing, ……sir in politely society, you don’t call people by the first name, unless they ask you.
Ugh, I hate they had his character die to introduce his son on SVU
yeah. could've had him visit from Chicago Law and just end up staying because Jack asked him
First
"In a polite society you don't call someone by their first name..." Boi, what are you on about? I grew up in what I would consider a polite society, and we all know each other by our first names, unless our names match in which case we still use first names, but use the first letter of our last name to differentiate when necessary.
I think the thing he refers to is "posh society," which I want nothing to do with.
"unless they are asked to" do you have selective hearing loss,???? Lol
I was taught,first name if asked,never just tge last name Never,otherwise use the person's title. I argued with teachers in grade school & wouldn't answer unless I was addressed w/"Miss " before my last name. Still do that today.
There's a big difference between polite and informal.
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