"when do you consider a console officially dead?" "Is that when the games are no longer being made for the system?" "Or if the system itself is no longer made?"
For many years, um, decades, I believed this may be the best Amiga track ever written. Then I learned about Hippel’s original. I still believe it’s one of the best but it has two fathers now :) Jogeir pretty much - masterfully - copied the original but he must deserve credit for not only rearranging it using higher quality samples but for adding the hypnotic arpeggio part at the end, which I love the most and the original didn’t have. Thank you Jochen and Jogeir for the melodies and the memories!
I've spoken to Jochen on two occasions regards this song. Initially at STNICCC in 2000 in Utrecht, he was totally unaware of Jogeir's cover - I think the main bone of contention at the time was that Jochen was totally uncredited in the Amiga FLT Fullmoon end part (which this tune is from), strange.. I met Jochen a few months back (December 2015) and again he brought this up..... seems Mad Max wasn't the only original composer that Jogeir 'borrowed' from!
Yep, J. is well known for such practices. Some suspect that they didn't care to give proper credits because they though it is obvious to everyone. But that caused some confusion later.
@@no9or9 considering how small the community was back then, it's actually not an unreasonable standpoint. Even though modern sensibilities of proper credit are quite different.
Not based on : it is almost a strict cover. Only a few new measures were added on the original (at 5:00), and the end is different. Arrangements and sounds are very close.
As for not crediting Hippel, bear in mind that Jogeir was the musician, not the programmer of the Fullmoon demo. It's conceivable that Jogeir told the programmers to include a credit in scrolltext or something, but the programmers forgot about it. Just speculation, though.
Jogeir is a musical genius!! I would love to know if he had any active social media. I haven’t been able to find any yet Edit: Welp, just read the comments... I guess he’s controversial. I wonder if his track Latenite is completely original? Because it’s one of my all time favorite tracks, and I’ve been obsessed with it lately.
Most of his tracks are original compositions - some (like this) are remixes. Remixing songs back in those days was really commonplace in the demo scene.
@@djmiketjg And the community of composers was so small at that point, everyone sort of knew each-other's songs, so that Jogeir didn't credit Jochen was likely not out of malice, but more a case of "Yeah, but...you all KNOW this song, right?"
not going to lie, i feel like geowizard has attempted to replicate this type of style in his videos. i hear a lot of similarities between jogeir's and his music!
Although the original version is beautiful in its own way, I must say I like Jogeir's version better. It's pity he didn't properly credit Jochen Hippel though :(
Jogeir is indeed talented, but has a history of not giving credit where credit is due. th-cam.com/video/0bzFbrufMyw/w-d-xo.html This is a Jochen Hippel tune. I was like "Reset the machine and rip this tune, and compare it to the original by Jochen Hippel. Then I was like, hmmm I can't rip this as I used to on the Amiga...
Oh my god learn to read the descriptions, or the comments... This is a remix/remake of the main theme of prehistoric tale. And it is mentioned in the description...
Rigor Master .Vivir Sin Vender rigor is mostly right... imo Jogier didnt do much but make the second solo boring and ruin the synth phasing, kind of a shame Hippel isnt getting all the credit. though it is infact a conversion which did take a little work by jogeir
MIND SINK GAMES I think totally the opposite - Jogeir's version actually has an end which Hippel's doesn't, and his second solo meanders in a dull way that Jogeir simply avoids by building down nicely.
This is a remix. Jogeir Liljedahl made a cover/remix of Jochen Hippel's original song from the Amiga. If you listen to both of them you can clearly hear they're using different samples and timings. I personally like Jochen's version a lot more than this, but it's still a remix in its own right.
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"when do you consider a console officially dead?"
"Is that when the games are no longer being made for the system?"
"Or if the system itself is no longer made?"
Never.
It's Jochens song, after all
Amiga will never be dead mate.
A console is only dead if every game becomes abandonware.
This song makes me wanna cry a little.
Me too, it's because time.
its a beautiful tune. theres no shame in shedding a tear to music like this
Coverop I know right... Makes me think of the past, remember my childhood.
Y tho? 🤨
@@thefemboyfamilyvlogs8837 The music has this vibe....like credits screen
In order to give credit where credit is due, Jochen Hippel's "A Prehistoric Tale (Main Theme)" certainly deserves a mention here...
Modern vintage gamer
The reason I love music from the Commodore/Amiga era...
Holy Snaps! I can’t believe my ears, what sound!! I’m blown away that I’ve not heard of this artist before. Thank you! 🙏
For many years, um, decades, I believed this may be the best Amiga track ever written. Then I learned about Hippel’s original. I still believe it’s one of the best but it has two fathers now :) Jogeir pretty much - masterfully - copied the original but he must deserve credit for not only rearranging it using higher quality samples but for adding the hypnotic arpeggio part at the end, which I love the most and the original didn’t have. Thank you Jochen and Jogeir for the melodies and the memories!
Jogeir - the musical genius of his time!
Jochen Hippel
I've spoken to Jochen on two occasions regards this song. Initially at STNICCC in 2000 in Utrecht, he was totally unaware of Jogeir's cover - I think the main bone of contention at the time was that Jochen was totally uncredited in the Amiga FLT Fullmoon end part (which this tune is from), strange.. I met Jochen a few months back (December 2015) and again he brought this up..... seems Mad Max wasn't the only original composer that Jogeir 'borrowed' from!
Yep, J. is well known for such practices. Some suspect that they didn't care to give proper credits because they though it is obvious to everyone. But that caused some confusion later.
and what a fullmoon it was.. epic demo
@@allan.n.7227 Heatbeat track is great.
@@no9or9 considering how small the community was back then, it's actually not an unreasonable standpoint. Even though modern sensibilities of proper credit are quite different.
Nice :D Prehistoric Tale for the Amiga System ^^
Yeah... old good times ! :-)
@tugglehoffe Ah, I wasn't aware of this! I'll edit the video description to include this information. Thanks for the heads up!
I like both versions :)
Wait, I recognized the 2:50 part from a c64 chiptune, it's so familiar but I can't remember the name (in the c64 reference), anyone know?
+George Taylor Hey.. It sounds a lot like the Parallax theme... it that what youre thinking of? The part at 2:50 and the melody starting around 3:20.
+George Taylor I think it's definitely Parallax.. listen to the bit here at 4:00 and go listen to the Parallax Theme around 7:48.
You're right! How could I not remember the Parallax theme, I love that song also. Thanks :)
REAL SHIT 💯
Not based on : it is almost a strict cover. Only a few new measures were added on the original (at 5:00), and the end is different. Arrangements and sounds are very close.
Mister Liljedahl still kicks major ass
more a master of remixes
Only the Amiga makes it possible, brilliant song
Gates of Skeldal never dies.
Cry the little nearly there
02:50 What I was waiting for...
Sounds like this should be a song in the gameboy advance version of tron 2.0 killer app
good stuff! keep it up jasper!
PLEASE don't use interpolation on amiga music!
whew
😎
Pretty much an exact copy of Jochen's fantastic original, which is of course fine as long as credit is given :)
The original: th-cam.com/video/0bzFbrufMyw/w-d-xo.html
As for not crediting Hippel, bear in mind that Jogeir was the musician, not the programmer of the Fullmoon demo. It's conceivable that Jogeir told the programmers to include a credit in scrolltext or something, but the programmers forgot about it. Just speculation, though.
How come you didn't credit him under his full name?
Jogeir is a musical genius!! I would love to know if he had any active social media. I haven’t been able to find any yet
Edit: Welp, just read the comments... I guess he’s controversial. I wonder if his track Latenite is completely original? Because it’s one of my all time favorite tracks, and I’ve been obsessed with it lately.
Most of his tracks are original compositions - some (like this) are remixes. Remixing songs back in those days was really commonplace in the demo scene.
@@djmiketjg And the community of composers was so small at that point, everyone sort of knew each-other's songs, so that Jogeir didn't credit Jochen was likely not out of malice, but more a case of "Yeah, but...you all KNOW this song, right?"
not going to lie, i feel like geowizard has attempted to replicate this type of style in his videos. i hear a lot of similarities between jogeir's and his music!
Although the original version is beautiful in its own way, I must say I like Jogeir's version better. It's pity he didn't properly credit Jochen Hippel though :(
Jogeir is indeed talented, but has a history of not giving credit where credit is due. th-cam.com/video/0bzFbrufMyw/w-d-xo.html
This is a Jochen Hippel tune.
I was like "Reset the machine and rip this tune, and compare it to the original by Jochen Hippel. Then I was like, hmmm I can't rip this as I used to on the Amiga...
SORRY!
This song is NOT from Jogeir Liljedahl, but from Jochen Hippel, from the AMIGA game "A Prehistoric Tale".
Please correct that!
Oh my god learn to read the descriptions, or the comments...
This is a remix/remake of the main theme of prehistoric tale. And it is mentioned in the description...
Hunubul1
Sorry again, but it is not a remake, neither a remix, neither a song based on the Jochen Hippel one.
It is just the work of J. Hippel.
Rigor Master .Vivir Sin Vender rigor is mostly right... imo Jogier didnt do much but make the second solo boring and ruin the synth phasing, kind of a shame Hippel isnt getting all the credit. though it is infact a conversion which did take a little work by jogeir
MIND SINK GAMES I think totally the opposite - Jogeir's version actually has an end which Hippel's doesn't, and his second solo meanders in a dull way that Jogeir simply avoids by building down nicely.
This is a remix. Jogeir Liljedahl made a cover/remix of Jochen Hippel's original song from the Amiga. If you listen to both of them you can clearly hear they're using different samples and timings. I personally like Jochen's version a lot more than this, but it's still a remix in its own right.
Comparison of Jochen Hippel's original to Jogeir's version: th-cam.com/video/ICOsvQEJLbo/w-d-xo.html
the raw mod file sounds better
Not Good :/
This sounds fucking disgusting. Turn the interpolation off
Perfect song for commiting suicide... Full of ending feelings, of a hopeful sadness and deep sorrow.