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Sorry wrong date 2023 not 2020
Operating on Elon time?
Don't worry
to be fair 2020 was a really long year.....
Old habits die hard huh? :D
Only three years off. That increases your credibility.
For anyone wondering, SpaceX still don't plan on installing a flame trench. They've constructed giant steel plates for under the launch mount that will be water cooled to prevent the steel melting which should hold up significantly better. Next launch should be in 1-2 months but those are Elon's words so I can imagine we're looking at over 4 months atleast. If SpaceX manage to get the pad back into service in 2 months I'll be absolutely gobsmacked
Where can I see some pics of the plates?
He’s only tweeted about them. No pics yet
The damage no doubt looks much worse than it is. Mostly the concrete has been blasted away which will be reasonably quick to fix and needed to be dug up anyway to install the deluge system. I think realistically it will be more than 2 months to get all the work done, after all the GSE tanks have also been damaged.
The base mount foundation ring beam has been compromised - that will require a complete demolition and rebuild to replace it.
@@schrodingerscat1863 You can’t patch structural concrete. You have to dig it out and replace it.
The rebar has been ripped apart.
The position of those fuel tanks seems crazy. Very fortunate they weren't completely destroyed.
Makes me worried about using steel under the pad, What would molten steel flying towards the tanks do?
Actually...they might be destroyed from a functional perspective. The large dents might weaken the tank's integrity or interior linings.
The tanks have an outer shell. There should be no damage to the internal tank. They have access doors too.
May be a reason the law says the methane tanks have to be laying down instead of standing upright.
@@favesongslist you see what it did.
That was quite the concrete rich liftoff!
I'm a fan of spacex, but it's a bit unbelievable how no one predicted such damage starship's engines can cause. Flame diverter or water deluge system is super important to be built there
Elon tweeted: "It might be a bad idea"
Elon has both said the choice to not have a flame diverter may be a mistake (years ago) and that the deluge system is not yet completed (but they went anyway). Their data from static fires appeared to indicate they would be good, as it turn out that was not the case.. SpaceX is and remains to be a "push the button and see what happens" company though and so they wil l (probably very quickly) iterate and improve from here.
It would no doubt have been impossible to predict that the rocket exhaust would get under the concrete lifting it away. Modelling such extreme environments is often impossible because you never know all the possible failure modes up front. Concrete spalling was their main concern but this turned out to not be the ultimate mode of failure. This is why they do these tests to see what fails and how, make improvements then try again.
They did predict it. They said screw it and we will fix it later. Watch all the conferences and interviews. They knew it was not enough. Probably cheaper to let it get blasted away and then fix it later.
I believe they realized how bad it would be, but decided that in order to make the changes necessary, it would need to be ripped up anyway. You can only make so many modifications before you need a new model.
Thanks for the photos. Aerial assets make a huge impact on what we know about many things. They were willing to go with stage 0 as it to make the April launch window. Now they, and we, know.
They underestimated the force of the engines on the concrete. Going to have to make some big changes in Boca and Florida.
I think Florida is on hold till Texas launches are ok. expect Florida parts to be moves too Texas
@@jont4504 Florida on hold since NASA said they couldn't launch at 39A
i think the rocket dug the trench away from the tower and towards the ocean because the tower was obstructing the full and easy flow of exhaust gases. fluids always seek the easiest path.
That rocket is devastatingly powerful. We’re starting to hit that point in rocketry where new solutions are going to have to be found to combat this, because I highly doubt the traditional methods are gonna work on the Moon and beyond.
Indeed. Maybe a suboptimal solution would be to have the engines higher up, in aircraft like nacelles? Imagine a ring of nacelles on the top side of booster, protruding from the craft. Offcourse all sorts of other problem would be caused by this, like exhaust gases impinging on the side of the rocket but still, what if?
Well this definitely cleared the way for them to do the flame diverter. Lol Don't really got to do a whole lot of digging now. But it was definitely a site to see and honestly I've been waiting to get pictures to see what stage zero looks like
#mightaswelldoitnowtheholeisalreadydug.
@@goodgremlinmedia2757 And it was good to see how the engines might stand up to a Mars landing.
@@MrVanhovey NOT... I think they're gonna have to use elevated engines for landings, on the Moon AND on Mars. The stuff you see in movies is pure scifi. This problem will never go away until we invent the repulsor lift.
They unfortunately can't dig down that deep - they're not all that far up above the water table, making underground trenches a hassle. It's the reason why LC-39A and 39B at Cape Canaveral are built up on man-made hills; rather than digging down to build a trench, which would be flooded and have all sorts of other problems, instead they built up.
@@raptor2265 oh okay That makes more sense. Well then it's definitely going to be interesting to see what they do. Cuz clearly what is going on now doesn't seem like it's going to work. The damage that has been posted it looks pretty bad clearly the tank farm is way too close
Mind blowing damage! Stage 0 is wrecked! Mistakes were made!
the side of the olm away from the tower took more foundation damage earlier. was trying to dig a flame trench. the damaged engines in the outer ring are all located over olm legs. debris bounced off the legs and up skirt into engines
That's exactly the same conclusion I came to as well, watching the launch on the SpaceX feed you could clearly see huge chunks of heavy debris being launched halfway back up the rocket before it even left the pad. It's a bummer because there's a decent chance the rocket could've made it all the way if not for the half baked launch platform.
Great video Mauricio. You really work hard. I admire that a lot. 👍
No surprise it would make such a mess. I don't know what they were thinking. The launch mount needs to be at least double the height above the concrete to have any chance.
Consider that they are looking for simpler launch pad solutions than what government space programs consider standard... Radically simpler. And these thrust numbers are going where nobody has gone before, we should note. So results from physics simulation may have quite large an error for the unusual conditions. They go and test, first principles.
Test to destruction is a thing. Before a destructive test, engineers think that the piece will get destroyed. Can't rule out that that's exactly what most of them were thinking.
Double teh hight isn't nearly enough to get the pad out of the high pressure exhasut... its hard to tell how long it is because its nearly invisible but its much longer than double the hight of the current launch mount. In any case they just need a pad base that can take the heat and that is all... they don't need a full deep diverter or deluge system.
@@Wingnut353 the deluge system parts are already at starbase and were installed during the construction of the Cape tower.
If you look at the launch mount first time, without knowing what happened, you couldnt tell if the rocket cleared the pad or exploded at liftoff LOL
Amazing footage, fascinating stuff.
Huh?
What???
If it exploded at liftoff, the entire launch complex would be gone. When the soviet N-1 exploded, it completely obliterated the launch complex, and only about 1/4 of the fuel actually combusted. Starship is FAR larger than the N1, so it would have been akin to a low-yield tactical nuke going off.
i really dont know why they didnt build a flame diverter to begin with. They knew this one is more powerful than the saturn 5, and that launchpad had one, they could have gotten some data to see what damage if at all that caused back then. they should have known this will happen, i think this was an unnecessary destruction of infrastructure.
They can't fit a flame diverter that close to the water table
Edit: But yes, they could have raised everything when they started construction but they didn't have Raptor power levels nor engine count back then
You guys are a crucial piece of the puzzle for all of us. Thank you so much.
3rd world countries don't have the monies for flame trench. It was always going to be a once off. The exhaust flames turned out to be two times more dangerous (and longer) than the rocket itself!
Note to designers: The launch pad is not rapidly reusable.
Conclusion: Starship Program Achilles Heel identified - in anatomically and metaphorically congruous location.
General Personal Observations:
1. I was surprised that the concrete shrapnel munition that was created didn’t shred the tank farm.
2. It never pays to try to save money on your foundations or damage mitigation/protection systems.
3. In this case it likely contributed to heavy adjacent infrastructure and, who knows, maybe ship damage during liftoff.
4. It definitely already has damaged the schedule for running the other rapidly prototyped horses already chomping at their bits in the barn.
That is the thing though... the launch pad itself is a stage, and you need to stop thinking otherwise, there will be a bunch of them and after they are designed they won't be changed too drastically because of certification reasons and this is the time to do crazy stuff with stage zero...
They really built a monster, but it was massive oversight to not make sufficient mitigation; they don't call controlled explosion for no reason, and it was obivous from the mere seconds test that kept destroying the pad
It is by purpose, to learn for takeoff from Moon or Mars.
@@EverydayRoadster that doesn't make sense, as from moon or mars, only the upper stage will take off and land which only has three raptor engines and can't be compared to the super heavy.
@@EverydayRoadster The moon ship is designed differently because the regolith is a nightmare that you don't want to wake up, and mars is very much just a dream, so if they get there safely by that time this ship will already be absolute probably in more ways than you can imagine
@@EverydayRoadster The Lunar variant isn’t going to use Raptors to land or take off from the moon. It’s going to use a ring of thrusters near the nose.
I think they will have to build a flame diverter for this. It is amazing the power of the booster engines, but I also think they were expecting this to happen so they could plan accordingly. The next lift off will be one to watch.
Yeah if they can build a flame diverter on on Earth, why cant they build one on Mars?
They're going to have to raise the pad and Mechazilla. If you dig more than 10 feet below the concrete you hit water.
Their plan is a water cooled steel plate and water deluge system. We'll see how badly that breaks next launch. I'm just amazed that they nearly got into orbit with a half broken rocket. That is the real historical moment honestly.
@@sam23696 Lol that doesn't sound like a great plan. Yeah that is seriously amazing.
@@sam23696 Well unfortunately they didn't really get close to orbit if you check the vehicle velocity and altitude.
Those sea launches are looking more attractive now….😮
was like Giant Pressure Washer but with fire
B7 be like - if i am going down i am taking everyone with me.
This is why you need a Flame Deflector !!!
No Flame Deflector, Flame Deflector's are for sissies!
Thank you, Mauricio! 🙏🙏
The damage is huge in more ways than one. Not only will the pad need to be stronger and higher, the tower itself will possibly be required to be higher. Then if the tower is higher it might need to be wider to increase strength.
Solutions with plating and deluge, won't we consider those first?
There's plenty of ways to strengthen the foundation, first of all. The picture clearly shows that only the connecting beams contained rebar. The rest of the surface was just plates that flew away. Quite obvious that you could add rebar everywhere. Pour it in one piece. Add thickness.
@@u1zha I'm looking at the concrete sections of slab that were blown away. I think they are a couple/few feet thick. This controlled explosion is incredibly strong.
I'm no engineer but I'd think deflectors will be required, and with deflectors requires more height. I hope you're right with your easier solution.
@@chet3louisiana558 There are many ways to solve this problem you could dig in flame tubes as ICBM's use or just a flame ramp maybe enough.
I can't wait to hear from Zack, I sure hope he's okay. I can tell this really got to him. If you read this Zack, love ya man, keep your head up!
It appears once the blast pierced the concrete under the OLM there was only soft sand underneath allowing a whole section of the pavement to be lifted away nearly 100 feet away from the center of the blast (1:38).
Yeah, I was a bit surprised it wasn't a thick monolithic pour. Pavement flying has quite an obvious solution, pour the slab in one piece. With rebar. And more thickness.
Wow! As soon as the concrete under the rocket melted, the hot exhaust got under the concrete slabs and blew them away like confetti in a hurricane.
Yeah, I was a bit surprised it wasn't a thick monolithic pour. Slabs flying has quite an obvious solution, pour the foundation in one piece. With rebar. And more thickness.
They think it cracked, not melted. You can see by the lack damage to the steel that temps was not that high.
@@MrWolfstar8
Concur
Starhopper still standing, the indestructible! They should move it in a museum eventually!
I think a launchpad made out of thick steel plates could actually work. Concrete is too brittle of a material and will crumble into pieces under extreme vibrations. Steel on the other hand is very ductile and heat resistant, thats why the rebar and metal structures are still there
and if it has water behind it... it won't overheat during the few seconds it needs to withstand the rockets heat.
Molten metal everywhere, yay says brother hydrogen
Thanks RGV for getting up there so quickly. Waiting anxiously for more pics...
thank you for this view of the works. Quite something to see the power of 33 raptors at work. Keep up the good work and look forward to the next video as well, your shows are so informational to watch.
I think we're gonna need a bigger boat.
Wow! They're going to be rebuilding that for a WHILE!
Depends if the piling is damaged. Otherwise I think they can get it redone stronger (more monolithic? more rebar?) in quite a short time, just like after the static fire damage.
It mostly takes time to assemble the thick rebar mats before pouring the concrete. Much of that work can be done off to the side while excavators contour the base layers.
Brilliant photography and feedback , thank you
Stuart in Ireland ☘️
Guaranteed excitement delivered.
Frankly, the starship for me will become the safest rocket in the world once the flame deflector and the water deluge are operational, you saw the launch pad in what a disastrous state, the concrete and iron armor plates flew with the starship it was the apocalypse in bocachica, and the starship as if nothing had happened took off to overtake MaxQ, it made a right and left loops, the structure held, it made several loops, before being destroyed, another rocket would have exploded on stage zero, bravo spaceX, good job.
Nice views, thanks a lot ! I'm still amazed at how much cement was just blown away like cardboard. Seeing big chunks of cement that must weigh a ton flying up in the air was absolutely insane, part of me is glad I wasn't able to make it down in time for this launch, having sand rain down on me isn't something I actually want and from what I hear that was a thing.
I'm more amazed that they built that wonderful beast of a rocket and missed this disaster of a pad system .I guess only wishing for "no trench required" is not enough .Now what they have is a mixed bad .. a good rocket but a disastruous base when Musk wanted to get rid of that booster to test the next one . Anyway good job .
Thank you RGV....
Great vid
I appreciate that parting shot of Hopper
Some elements in the design worked well and others did not. I suggest they (SpaceX) will be focusing on what worked and build on those design ideas and will avoid the elements that did not work so well, or will mitigate or will redesign to strengthen them. The trolls that just offer "they didn't design it right" offer no original thoughts and their idea of innovation is to do it just like it was done 50+ years ago. If they were commenting on the automotive industry they would be advocating that we all drive model T's because to try anything else would be too risky. Mauricio, thanks for the pics and thanks for flying and trying to get shots in between clouds!
BEST COMMENT on this vide, honestly every person on here that is negavite and no real solutions and just puts the whole team of engineers down is honestly for real, disgusting to see and like i love how you give the best comment on here and like that is what everyone should be thinking.
This is simply amazing. I can't imagine that that is under 2000 tons of concrete and infill shot up to hundreds of meters away.
Thank you RGV 😊
A lot of excellent data that will contribute to a successful landing pad build on Mars !
Thank fur the before and after. Really pots it into perspective.
I always bought the suggestion that they couldn't dig trenches due to swamp-like soil conditions, which is true to a degree, just like at Cape Canaveral. Having said that, looking at the deep hole under the mount, they might be able to dig out trenches in several directions to help direct the energy from this monster. I'm not convinced that a deluge only approach will cut it, so I'm very interested in how they proceed.
I'm not sure what they were thinking. Any simulation of this launch would have told them that the exhaust gases would destroy the pad.
Same here, I feel a flame diverter of some kind is needed because I feel if they go for a deluge only it will end the same way
@@HunterAtheist I saw something from Elon, maybe a tweet, that he thought the pad survived pretty well during the recent static fire, and he and the team thought the pad should hold up to ONE launch...lol. That was an unfortunate miscalculation.
@@catbertz We all know Elon is an investor, not an inventor or and engineer. He comes up with ideas and people listen. People that know better, but go along with him because he has power to end their careers if they don't listen. Space X could do a lot better with different leadership, imo.
@@HunterAtheist Be careful, statements like that are considered the highest degree of heresy in these circles
Thank you for this view. Considering what just took place, the damage could have been a whole lot worse. Star hopper, the immortal, at the end….. priceless!
Well, it looks like the Starship launch pad at Cape Canaveral will have to be redesigned big time.
My thoughts exactly.
Excellent coverage! Going forward, I'm wondering what the SpaceX community will decide to do in re-building the launch pad structures. Yes, the Starship could have exploded just prior to lift-off which would have made this present damage look like a picnic. Sadly, I would give the rest of 2023 for SpaceX to re-build the Boca Chica launch facility.
Thanks. These pictures were enlightening as to How not to layout and build a launching facility.
It’s testing facility. They’re expecting things not to work and to break. Losing the tower would have been a major disaster, but the launch mount itself isn’t nearly as hard to fix.
Right. Testing the machine(rocket). Finding out what works or doesn't work.
Disregard for years of rocketry experience is ludicrous. Building a proper launch/testing mount with flame trench should've been done from the get go.
@@grogman1911 sigh, more midwit crap. Stage zero is the most expensive part of Starship and they’re trying to reduce costs.
SpaceX got the worlds only low cost reusable rocket working by testing the shit out of lower cost solutions to the issues involved.
They’re doing the same with starship. Flame trenches are extremely expensive. If you can build a launch facility without one there’s a large cost savings.
Sure it’s costly to test new designs but testing such designs is how you ultimately reduce costs. Otherwise you just end up launch rockets like SLS, a rocket so costly that it can only be flown once every 2 years.
@@MrWolfstar8 Sure, proper planning, engineering and construction would've alleviated this issue for stage zero. Instead, just ignore good engineering recommendations and delay the whole shooting match.
He is damn lucky that there wasn't a bleve.
Awesome, thanks for sharing! Can't wait for tomorrow's live stream for more pictures :)
To say SpaceX completely underestimated the forces during liftoff is an understatement. On the other hand, the launch essentially "dug" the flame trench that needs to be designed for the pad. A lot of rethinking about Stage 0 to be had.
All that hard work ripped apart in seconds by the raptors.
33x 🦾
Clever girls!
Thank you! Wow, the pad sure took a beating, along with everything else. Amazing in all their engineering expertise they thought they didnt need to put in a flame diverter or deluge system for the worlds most powerful rocket. Probably will now!
Replace the word "they" with one guys name. He doesn't design the rockets, but he does interfere with things like the normal flame management Space X Engineers would have had in place if they were allowed to.
The next attempt will be an array of parallel rectangular pipes welded into a flat matt. Water cooled and covering a new concrete base.
This is unbelievable the damage done by Starship, glad I got to see it one week before the devastation!
Can't wait to see the next flyover of the launch site with better pictures.
You hear the numbers, about the power on each engine, and the number of them running at once, but it does not prepare you for the amazing power that is really coming out!
It may be said it is a wonder the rocket managed to escape this inferno of smoke and dust and concrete blocks ejecting hundred meters into the sky and that it didn't blow up with the whole launchpad installation and the tankfarm.
In my mind it was the mother of all stress tests. Jesus.
@@officialspaceefrain It wasn't. It was sheer luck that the rocket didn't fall back down on the ramp and ruin the whole site. And next time, it might... fingers crossed.
@Antares2 that's probably why the rocket crabbed sideways right after launch. If something did happen, it wouldn't fall directly onto the OLM
guess they are testing Starships rigidity plus, functionality.
@@Antares2 Whatever. Just because your screen name'd rocket had a turbopump failure and did it on the Orb-3 mission does not mean it is sheer luck that everyone else's rockets don't do the same.... 3 Falcon9 flights since 2012 have had an engine prematurely fail during ascent and all the primary missions were accomplished. Starship lost 3 engines by 12 seconds into flight probably due to debris, and 2 more engines thereafter. Lost 5 engines total and it still delivered the 2nd stage to its intended separation point.
I would not doubt that the FAA accident review board pulls SpaceX launch licence to ensure launch pad flame diverters are installed with water deluge is included before any future flights leave that pad.
why dont you just shut it honestly there people
It literally removed entire slabs of concrete. Holy shit!
its really amazing any rocket engines were working after that. truly incredible. also, this would not be an issue with ocean based launches im guessing.
The launch pad exploding on you wouldn't be an issue, but many other issues would crop up. Mainly the issue is fuelly the rocket. Not easy to refill a tank farm out in the ocean. Would need to perfect the technology to created methane from air and water before that could be viable.
Ocean based launches might direct the enormous sound into the water and permanently deafen or kill sea life. The offshore stage 0 design should deflect the noise generally upwards. Along with concentric air bubble curtains to decouple the energy.
Thank you so much, RGV! 🚀
Well this pretty much proves everyone right that has been saying for years that they need a flame diverter. Elon is saying 2 months till next flight... but this is gonna take longer than that to get this all repaired.
so what? your not working there? who cares what you say honestly, they will change and adapt like they do, so shut your negativity man you have a negative life
Thing thing that I love. Is that they tried to make it strong and was ready to make a flame diverter in case of this exact out come. Always planning ahead of the hurdles. That's why they sent it like no other. SpaceX employees=Legends.
Isn't that like putting the cart before the horse though ? A suck it and see approach has its benefits but if you are going to Mars you can't do that with a 6 month + trip out there. I know they like to do things differently but 70 years of previous civil engineering expertise during space rocketry should have had more consideration in hindsight.
Those concentric cracks out towards the main tower are a concern as things settle down for that structure also. They will need to do stability tests on that as well. We can only see what is happening on the surface of course, it will take time to test and check the sub-surface condition, especially so as this is just the first of many from that position.
It might be wise to completely start over from a new positon if they have enough space to do it.
Well on the bright side the new flame diverter trench is partially dug out.
Holy crap, @2:30 the dent in one of the tanks at the tank farm is humongous!
Impresionante Mauricio me estoy recuperando😮
WOW! Did not know those huge concrete blocks got uprooted and blown away. They can't have that.
Yeah, I was a bit surprised it wasn't a thick monolithic pour. Blocks flying has quite an obvious solution, pour the slab in one piece. With rebar. And more thickness.
The concrete will need expansion/contraction joints, and those seams will need telescoping bars that hold the sections together. Nothing new, but scaled up to withstand Super-heavy.
[If you want to omit seams, hold a monolithic slab together with post tensioned cables.]
OLM is officially painted into corner. Or build a mound - a really big one with a built in flame diverter pointing away from the tank farm and mechazilla. And then put the OLM on top of the mound. Easy peezy.
The orbital launch table and tower look surprisingly well, they just need to figure out the concrete and ground part which I have no doubt they're well capable of doing, I'm optimistic
They announced that a water cooled heavy steal shield is going to be put over the concrete along with a water deluge system.
@@schrodingerscat1863 I know, they already had solutions even before the test flight, now they have even more data on how those insanely powerful engines affect Stage 0. Something hard to simulate other than actually launching the rocket
The amount of flying concrete, I wonder how much damage there is on the tank farm.
You could see spray of concrete falling into the sea during takeoff, crazy! Awesome, but crazy :D
Excellent shots.
Minimum delay to next launch at least 6 months . More, if they change approach to Stage 0.
Thank you! Great shots despite difficult conditions.
this is a really good idea, History recorded!!
Let's pay our respects for all the cameras that were on that no-longer-placed railing next to Star Hopper.
F
Thanks M.
Thank you for your tireless work!
There should be a "love" button for what you do for us rocket faithful.
As they say, you learn from your mistakes….this will take many months. Also, not sure if FAA or EPA will grant them a license as per previous protocol or will demand much stricter requirements
We should all appreciate how lucky we got. The pair of engines that cut out were away from the tower side making it lean that way on lift off. If it did that starting translation toward the tower and just touched it, it would have opened the tank like it was made of tissue paper and the whole thing would have fell right there on top of the QD, Worst case scenario.
Or the translation was part of the flight plan and im just talking about nothing lol
but i thought your explanation of why it should try to come straight up out of the pad was a very well founded.
Do we recall how deep those main legs go into the ground? 60 feet or something?
Thank you for your service!
Great Job !👍 Thank You for the best picures I've seen👀so far !!!!! 👍
One way or another they're getting a flame diverter... ;)
Amazing they got off the pad given the debris; a lot learnt and excitement was delivered. Thank you SpaceX / Elon.
OK boys, clean that up, get ready! Boss said next in one hour!
Thanks for this, the before and after images are impressive!
break stuff... create solution... break more stuff... create more solutions... no failures, only progress.
Starhopper: YEEAAHHHH THAT WAS AWESOMEEEE!!! DO IT AGAINNNN!!!!
The launch mount shielding really did its job and then some
Yea. They aren't launching in even a couple of months. They might have to totally rebuild the OLM with that kind of damage to the pillars. Frankly I'm surprised a company with as many intelligent engineers working for them as SpaceX couldn't anticipate the untenable damage that the equivalent of setting off thousands of pounds of TNT every second continuously focused at the same spot of the ground would do.
Not "rebuild" - complete redesign.
Probably a lot of hubris there. No matter what, physics puts you in place.
@@cabc74 Undoubtedly, a couple of engineers have been sent home over this because they advocated so strongly that it would all be OK!
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 I'm guessing you never cross Elon Musk if you want to keep your job.
@@randyschreiner7807 Only if you're incompetent.
Totally incredible, the power that was unleashed !!! Looks like the "2 weeks" thing needs to be upgraded to "2 months" 😂 but seriously......I got a shopvac an a buffer if they wanna borrow them...!
Dude that is some serious damage, we won't see a starship launch for quite some time now possibly even for a half a year. They really need to make some sort of flame diverter or came up with some new solution. I don't think water cooled steel pads will do the trick on a long run.
Love the Scarface type music 🎶!
My only real worry is the state of the concrete of the legs below ground level. That part has no steel tube covering it.
If it is too damaged this could take a year to replace - to remove bad concrete and pouring new and waiting for it to cure (but I hope it can be repaired).
All else can be cleaned up and repaired. The water tanks too (they were never filled with insulating material like the LOX and LN2 tanks. I think that is why they folded that way. Hopefully they can replace the shells without having to replace the inner tank(s). Building new shells could take 2 months.
Another question is - can the legs, even in the perfect condition, take lateral loads due to the OLM table as it is now without the lateral beams. Or have they fractured and damaged the whole thing all the way up to the table.
@@queazocotal Good question, the engineering analysis might be a worst case, or the table might not be level anymore, I think there might be some more bad news coming.
@@bernieschiff5919 i just love how people bad mouth companies that try something and get some things wrong its like you either support there journey or you get off the train and dont come back simple as that
@@bernieschiff5919 i don't think it was even level to start with
You could remove those 2 legs and put a beam span instead that would give you the room for a full flame diverter. There are plenty of different ways to go ahead.
I am still cracking up over Musk saying they will fly in a month or two. Like no man, this is gonna take the rest of the year. See you in 2024.
Slab of concrete on top of the high pressure (Helium?) tanks in the tank farm. Hope they can vent that tank remotely. Also spotted a few loose pipes behind the tank-farm berm. Looks like EVERYTHING is going to need a few months of repair work.
Excellent test of worst case scenario. And still the mighty beast launched and stubbornly held together with horrendous shocks beneath, flame outs, hydraulics destruction, MaxQ, and all that tumbling. The forces on the booster structure and the ship must have been monumental. Through all that, especially the tumbling, they maintained their structural integrity and alignment. That is one TOUGH rocket. Fantastic engineering.
It seems to me that damage sustained to the booster on the launch mount between light-up and release harmed vital parts of the engine control mechanics. This led to failure of some engines, the hydraulic gimballing control, and who knows what else. With impairment of thrust and gimballing control, the multiple failures cascaded which led to the tumbling. Power or control wiring to the ship release clamps also failed.
My feeling, on the day shortly after watching replays, was that if the damage to the booster on the launch mount hadn't occurred then the flight might have gone off perfectly. Judging from comments on various channels it seems more and more people are likewise coming to this view. (I'm not claiming any special insight).
My intuition tells me that when SpaceX get the launch mount right then Starship and its booster are going to be a roaring success. (pun intended). Elon didn't seem at all fazed.
I think that in this launch the Starship system has proved itself.
SpaceX can physically see and investigate the maximum damage from the world's most powerful rocket to the launch pad. This is excellent baseline data.
A modified launch mount that protects the engine bay and mechanical vitals will see a successful mission. My guess is about July/August. Go SpaceX.
That tumbling is how they planned to separate the stages. No springs, just centripetal yeet.
Anyone else thinking this is more than 2 months worth of work to fix?
2023 no more
excellent footage. thx. now whats the word i'm looking for? Oh yeah, FusterCluck...
Thank you so much for making this video!