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- Making and testing a liquid film cooled 2 liter bottle whoosh rocket. With a very simple design using compressed air and isopropyl alcohol, it extends the burn time substantially.
Channels mentioned:
Integza- / integza
Sam Rogers- / samrogers
SmarterEveryDay- / smartereveryday
The Woosh Rocket only uses:
-2 liter bottle
-3D printed nozzle(I don’t release files I find particularly dangerous)
-¼ in brass tee fitting
Fuel system
-¼ in vinyl tubing ~2 or 3 feet
-¼ in barbed hose fitting to ¼ in npt male adapter
-aquarium pump
Air system
-air compressor and hose
-¼ in quick connect fitting
-check valves
-various adapters for solenoid
Electronics
-½ in solenoid valve
-bbq igniter + AA battery
-relay and other control panel components
-3mm bolts + alligator clips + bunches of wires
Music:
Sage -Slenderbeats
New Day- Patrick Patrikios - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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I had a vortexgasm watching this video
don't vortex in your pants Integza
That is such a wierd thing to say, pls stop
Seeing you in the comments gives me the same feeling as finding my name spelt right on a mug In a gift shop
Great recommendation. Thanks.
Integza you should do more tomato skits in your videos!
Have you thought about a double-walled chamber? A bottle in a bottle, with the fuel circulating between them to cool the inner chamber. Either way, this is super interesting and I can't wait to see what you do with it!
Or some kind of balloon on the outside of the bottle & pressure in fuel between them, it is probably easier to fit them inside each others in that way. Good idea :)
There is a guy on youtube making rockets engines with this idea but the issue is to have a regular and even flow (otherwise you will have hot spots which lead to failure or just unefficient cooling). For me, the best way to do so is to make spirals of fuel tubing around the combustion chamber and the nozzle. But in this case it would be easier and more efficient (in therm of cooling) to make a smaller rocket engine in my opinion. Of course doing it with metal instead of plastic would be still better, a good exemple is Integza.
@@misterx-pf6nl I was watching something recently where they were showing how the liquid rockets circulate the fuel around the bell to prevent hot spots while vaporizing the fuel, maybe Veritasium on 3D printed rockets.
I thought of that too!
If using water doesn't count as cheating, circulating water between the chamber would be my way to go.
I wonder if you kept the incoming coolant/fuel separated from the outgoing exhaust for longer by extending the cap further into the bottle neck if there wouldn't be quite so much fuel being expelled, and therefore more fuel cooling the bottle. if you went far enough into the bottle then it could double as a fuel reservoir when you invert it.
I was led here by such channels as integza and dollar store thor. When I saw you taping a plastic bottle, I knew that I hadn't been misled.
Is Dollar Store Thor = Kyle Hill or am I unaware of some science you tuber out there?
@@Sciencish yup!
I love these rocket videos so much. I dunno what it is about rockets that makes my little brain light up with joy, but seeing that flame front travel down the bottle always gets me.
It might not be feasible, but an external water film could help with cooling. The biggest issue would be getting it to actually film up, but cleaning the exterior of the bottle thoroughly and adding a wetting agent should help. As for how you'd deliver the water, I guess the same sort of spinny thing, but that's designed for the exterior.
Maybe dry ice could be added to the IPA through a reservoir to make thermal conductivity of the bottle's walls less of an issues.
That idea is surprisingly genius! Something like that would solve many issues.
However, if the flames of the combustion chamber make contact with the bottle, it'd still melt, I think.
My science teacher has 9.5 fingers because of woosh bottles. Glad to see you are being safe about them
That venturi effect at the top is definitely causing the failure reversing the flow of the cooling film back up and out.
How about submerging the bottle in water up to the neck. you would have to deal with bouncy but that would dissipate all the heat and any unforeseen fires would be instantly snuffed.
It might still deform from the inside though with the flame directly on the unprotected plastic unless your meaning using both the film cooling on the inside with the water bath on the outside then it might decrease most of the deformations
@@johnathandolencic4360 Water has a very high heat capacity, you'd be surprised. Fun party trick, add some water to a balloon and blow it up. hold a lighter under the balloon where the water is. It won't pop. The water can absorb the heat so fast, the surface of the balloon won't melt. I would expect the same phenomenon to happen with the bottle.
@@merlinmagnus873 Or, same kind of experiment, boil water in a plasic cup on a fire. Its seems pretty magical seeing it in person.
try an air diffuser that spins so that the flame doesn't get time to heat one place unevenly. if done in a specific way you may get a flame tornado effect in the bottle
"I'll Try Spinning, That's a Good Trick!" ~Anakin Skywalker
Damn, your previous video helped us to get a "good" on a project on our university of applied science, but this one would be good enough for a complete gradiate internship. These video's are the diamonds on yt for mechanical engineering 😁
You're* 🤓
That hawk screeching was the coolest part of the video... nature beats engineering every day.
kind of an insulting comment tbh...
Thanks for the link to the "smarter every day" channel, it's cool you help them out getting some exposure!
Gotta help the little guys ya know
I used a model rocket engine to power a mini turbo pump. Pumped together kerosene and red fuming nitric acid; for about 3 seconds lol. I think it only made it as long as it took to spool up enough pressure to, well, disassemble itself lol. I was nowhere near it because I was pretty sure it was going to happen. Probably the coolest project I've done in years. I'll have a video up soon enough.
What if you went lower on the air pressure rather than higher? I really think that is killing your way of cooling because it is just throwing the majority of your cooling out the nozzle
And increase fuel flow so itll have a thicker film
Yeah, I would think that a higher reliability would be more important than a higher thrust. once you have reliability and non-melting down for multiple seconds, that's when i'd move to higher thrust.
how amount a smaller inner bottle too? to provide some sort of cooling sleeve
I love how you run straight towards danger in the name of science. It's a no wonder integza made a post about this video. You're in good company.
Fantastic work! Super inspiring, I spent a little time on whoosh rockets too.
Turning your rocket upsidedown, and having the coolant flow the same direction as the exhaust is definitely going to help. I imagine the problem is preventing too much fuel from being lost in the exhaust flow. You could 3D print a collar inside the bottle throat which collects and recycles the non vaporized film coolant back around the loop. Almost a reverse of your existing system.
Totally looking forward to seeing your progress!!
I think what might help with your air injection issue is if you watch TechIngredients' video on hybrid nozzles, you should basically get a fogger nozzle to distribute the air smoothly around the whole inside of the bottle. More evenly diffuse airflow would help prevent airflow "hotspots" on the sides of the bottle that would cause dry-out conditions. As a bonus, the metal fogger nozzles won't catch fire like your saran wrap does lol.
As far as inverting the bottle, you could probably take advantage of the 5 little stumpy nubs on the bottom of the bottle and put 5 little pintle injectors in them to flood the sides of the bottle with alcohol. You'd have a huge excess of fuel coming out the nozzle that way, but you might be able to take advantage of your swirly injector nozzle thing to inject more air to try and take advantage of that.
Makes one appreciate even more rocket scientists. It is quite hard to make rocket engines.
I love the idea of simplyfying a rocket engine to the absolute basic principles, including the actively cooled walls.
My suggestion for improving the cooling film would be a stronger pump, like PC coolant pumps with flow rates of up to 600 L/h.
With a small enough ring nozzle, the alcohol should spread out more evenly and much faster. It's own inertia prevents further disruption by the combistion gases.
Otherwise, the idea of turning the engine and coolant flow 180° is not to far from the cooling methodes of older rocket motors.
The bigger specimens burned a fuel rich mixture on the nozzles closest to the chamber wall. This would creat a kind of isolating non flammable gas layer between the flame and the chamber wall.
You should put two bottles together making the rocket double walled and fill the space between the walls with alcohol to eliminate dry spots and spraying fuel out of the nozzle
Love the way you are thinkering about problems...
It kind of looked like the direction of input of the diffused air was pointing at the side and that may have caused the damage to the side of the bottle
First of all, great video! It’s really informative!
A quick suggestion:
Real rocket nozzles often tend to circulate the fuel on the outer wall of the nozzles. You could cut a pipe in half and wrap it around the bottle so that the open half faces the bottle and the closed half faces the outside. Circulating fuel through this pipe would then help cool the walls of the bottle. You could then circulate the pipe back to the base of the bottle to reuse the fuel.
PS: Cooling the fuel would also help!
Liquid butane + IPA cooling would be really cool. Also would eliminate the need for a pump. Probably just a little bit more dangerous though.
Potentially an improved fuel injector could spin the fuel out towards the walls with clever 3D printed geometry, especially if it's ceramic what fancy ppl like Integsa use. Ceramic could make it go more faster and melt less which could be cool.
Not all liquid fuel rockets are cryogenic. RP1 (kerosene) is kept quite close to ambient temperature.
@@martindinner3621 Oh! Thanks a lot for the correction!
Two things come to mind,
1. Put aquarium pumps in series or parallel to increase flow and/or pressure depending on needs.
2. Look for the most common points of failure on the bottle (by the video it seems to be where the curve on the neck is sharpest and the sides closest to the air inlet) and add additional fuel-spiny-inlet-thingys to compensate.
sorry for bad English
Nice! That was a fun expansion of the woosh rockets, and I’m excited to see you flip it upside down in the future for a potentially longer burn time. Great video as always!
This seems like a bomb with extra steps
You should put a shield around the oxygen inlet to try and mitigate the side blow outs you get. Try and direct it more towards the nozzle instead.
I just had an idea: A water rocket, but the pressure is provided by combustion exhaust. This would reduce the need for a heavy tank to hold pressured air.
You could try adding a CO2 inlet and button into these projects so when something goes wrong, you can quickly not only turn off fuel and oxidizer, but also extinguish any remaining combustion.
Amazing how much you can do with (comparedly) simple methods !
For the next experiment (assuming you're going to flip the orientation of the bottle) what if you combined two bottles by cutting the bottoms off, & nesting one inside the other (bonding with glue/epoxy) , so that you have double-thickness for the body of the combustion chamber and two necks, one at the top and one at the bottom. Because of the shape, that configuration would lend itself better to the film cooling, as it's more curved, with fewer sharp angles and cavities.
Just an idea.
Awesome video definitely looking forward to more.
I think printing a new nozzle with an extended tube inside the neck of the bottles so that the pressurized flow’s exit path is further away from the path of the isopropyl alcohol. Minimize the interaction between high velocity flow and the walls being cooled.
The tricky bit would be making the tube as thin walled as possible to minimize throat restriction.
Keep exploring this, it's super interesting!
Really cool video! Can't wait to see what's next!
It looks like the bottle is trying to become the perfect shape
I just discovered this channel a few days ago and now I'm enjoying the rocket science contents
Pre-shrunk the bottle with hot water to thicken the walls and put the preshrunk on inside a none shrunk bottle might help also
Your hella cool videos really help me out, so I hope this comment helps ya back.
So, you want to continue these rockets, and you want to work on something mechanical?
Try thinking about what parts of a rocket engine depend on mechanics. Better yet, something experimental or something weird and irrelevant that use mechanics!
-What setting would change how the rocket behaves? If the rocket is moving in a normal or abnormal way, what does it do to the rocket?
-Are there better ways to ignite this rocket?
-What else can you spin? (spinning makes everything work better)
-Is there a way you can apply this cooling system to where doesn't depend on where gravity is?
All great experiments that I'd love to try. Think mechanical, lol.
Woah this worked way better than i thought it would! Great stuff!
WOW! I was always wondering how to make the woosh rockets burn longer and you did it! I am really impressed and fascinated, I hope you will continue this series and maybe add a parts diagram for the rocket because I really want to build one! Thank you for this great video!
That was awesome, thanks for sharing!
Such amazing content. Last pick to TH-cam famous. Love it!
adding a check valve might help a little and they're easy to 3d print
Absolutely amazing, you motivated me to make my own vortex rocket engine
This is cool AF it served as a great proof of concept can't wait to see what you do with it next also good to see you telling of the danger of these angry little sods I damn near burnt half my hand playing with these bad boys when I was a kid
my suggestion would be to take a page from nasa and use tubing coiled around the outside. if you can get it right you can use the cooling coil to heat your iso to its vaporization point then inject it into your combustion chamber for optimal combustion.
if you want to continue with your current version then lower the psi of the air to the point where you are no longer loosing fuel, remember that the forces of gasses leaving will need to be accounted for.
"I will never financially recover from this."
Out of boredom quite a while ago I built something similar that might be kind of a fun experiment for you! I took a 24 oz can of monster energy and threaded an air nozzle into the bottom. I cut a hole just big enough for the cap of the can to fit into at the bottom of the can on the side. I then used safety wire to hang the cap upsidedown about a half an inch below the mouthpiece on the inside of the can and put a small amount of isopropyl alcohol in it. You then ignite that small amount of isopropyl in the cap and put the compressed air to it and end up with massive flames shooting feet out the top of the can until all the isopropyl burns up.
Yup I'm enjoying it
Wauuu! 🔝🔝 I'm impressed how you fixed the problem with the pump. I would like to see a second video about this, looks too challenging to make it work. Nice video!
loved everything here, especially the hawks :)
AAAAAAAAAWwesome man!! cant wait to see what you n integza come up with "TOGETHER"
Awesome video! Quick idea I had that may help is to switch over to a gear or diaphragm pump. Those kind of pumps actually self-prime and produce quite substantial amounts of pressure. That may improve the issue with the reverse flow from the back pressure inside the combustion chamber. you can find small gear or diaphragm pumps on eBay for about $20 which can produce ~110PSI (or more) on the output with decent flow, too. they are commonly used for RVs showers & faucets.
I've seen plenty of diaphragm pumps on ebay, but can you show me an example of a $20 gear pump?
@@spaceminions Totally, key word 'small' though ;)
Lookup 'ZC-A210' on eBay. Its a ~18$ small plastic gear pump. It generates (relatively) decent pressure and flow, while withstanding ~90C temps. I actually use it on a water-cooled 26cc 4-stroke engine I converted from a weedeater. It pumps the coolant through the engine & radiator to keep temps under control quite well.
Hope that helps :)
@@nickldominator Thanks, I found it. It says it can only suck about 1 meter height; do you think that sounds about right, or is that probably just the height it can self-prime?
@@spaceminions That sounds about right for the self-priming. It could probably do a good bit more than that if it was already primed.
interesting please continue to make videos similar to this
Nozzle pointing down, double walled chamber, just my two cents, pretty much just commenting for the alogrithm cause this is FIRE and i want more of it!!!!
Again great video! If you turn the bottle upside down you could use water as a cooling fluid. As its flowing down, it protects the walls from melting and in the end it safes the nozzle from burning of.
The fuel then has to be injected.
The water and the fuel have to go into the bottle at a greater pressure than the combustion pressure.
Therefor you could use two resovoirs with one for water and the other one for fuel.
These resovoirs are then pressurized with air. The pressure there has to be a little bit higher than the combustion pressure.
I'm curious what would happen if you just immersed the entire bottle in a tub of water, and did a normal run of it.
If you tried injecting the alcohol slightly below the neck (I know adding holes adds weaknesses but bear with me), the jet speed will be much lower at the point of entry and hopefully less alcohol would be carried out in the exhaust, giving better cooling. You'd probably have to inject it at an angle so that it spirals and wets the bottle better. Maybe add an afterburner for the exhaust as well? Anyway, another great video!
Sweet!
Maybe you can cut the top off another bottle and bottom off another and stick the two tapered parts together so the top and bottom have a narrow section that would be easier to coat the sides with a flowing fluid?
I hope that makes any sense at all.
Have you been looking at my notebook?
@@Sciencish Maybe a little bird…. Err…. Hawk gave me the idea.
The return of the king
I love this video!
I love your videos!
You should have your fuel draining down the sides in the same direction as the burn direction.
What if in your nozzle you have a pool around the edge to catch the liquid (with the bottle upside down), you can angle it slightly to funnel it into the exit hole, that way the liquid that comes down the sides, flows into the little pool and the pressure in the bottle pushes the liquid into the pipe. If the wall of the pool is high enough it won't interfere with the jet stream going through the nozzle in the middle. Clever wall design should also allow you to make the pool the right shape of "air pocket" to push the jet stream towards the nozzle without slowing it to a standstill. Lemme know if this doesn't make sense.
very cool video man
Good teacher will use this as an example bad ones will use this for a whole class
Can't wait next part 😁
Squarospike looks like an exhaust fan
Check valves are nice also lol
They’re on there, just didn’t mention it
@@Sciencish nice I'm about to have a 3d 100 watt fiber laser to play with trying to come up with something fun to do with it... greatly enjoy your videos thank you.
this is beautiful bro...
Honestly, I wish I had a brain to be able to come up with these ideas
I recommend using carbon fiber polypropylene for your prints. I've been using that and carbon fiber PETG to build small fuel tanks for my little rocket project I've been working on. The CF polypropylene is harder to print but the layer adhesion is amazing, its very easy to make them hold pressure printing them on my prusa. I've had my CF poly tanks hold up to 400 psi with no leaks at all! CF Poly also has better temp resistance.
Hey that approach to cooling is also done on other internal combustion engines by spraying more fuel than cann be bunned so if you use 2 oxygen supply locations one at the bottom spraying in the fuel grating a oversaturated spray that coats the walls and the pressure will pusch the alcohol along side the wall (adding a small percentage of water to the fuel could also help for the droplets to reach the walls) and a second that air supply near the throat to burn of the excess fuel because all the fuel spray is making the shock diamonds invisible
To me it looks like the main reason for failure was likely the liquid cooling was halted largely once the air pressure was added
Use a thin fabric liner for the bottle. This will act as a wick and allow transpiration cooling of the wall. If the fabric is thin enough, it will be transparent when wet, so we can still see the flame.
Yess Finally ,upload again !!!
Water cooled outside combustion chamber would be interesting to test.
Ever thought about ceramics? You can use those ceramic coatings on the internal surface. Would need a couple dozen coats but might work. Or a simple tempered glass bottle? One of those that don't break even when smashed
this channel is going places
Ok, here's a low tech tip that just might work. Attach a garden hose to your rocket, so the water cools it from the outside. Not sure if you know, but you can boil water in a bottle/plastic container in an open fire.
I have an idea
You should ad a thing that is like a petico pipe at the nozel to prevent the top from heat exposure
You deserve a happy algorythm :)
Metal mesh will absorb some heat before hitting the plastic bottle wall
I think you should work some kind of vortex or diffuser so the combustion doesn't go strait towards the bottle walls.
Love your videos
Wow, you're ending up at a hybrid rocket
Pretty clever...
this is amazingggg
babe, wake up new scienceish video dropped
Great channel
We back???!!! Let's gooooooooooo
Yeah, I mean it’s only been… 4 months, sheesh, surprised any or you are still here haha
I would take out the vortex flow put a lip on the fule intake so it’s harder for exaust to inter and lower the oxidizer pipe so most of the eaxust goes up not out and down
Super cool ❤
So hear me out. Put a bottle inside a slightly bigger bottle run the fuel in from the top and in the space between the two bottles. The interior bottle can be the combustion chamber, the outside bottle will keep the fuel in contact with the outside of the inner combustion chamber to provide cooling. Maybe the heat of combustion chamber could vaporize the fuel enough to pressurize the whole system then you would only need one fuel input 🤔
Very interesting
To me it looks like you need a better nozzle for the air outlet. The pressure is high even with that metal mesh and it was creating dry spot and rupturing the bottle on the same line.
You should make a block In part of the bottle so the exhaust gasses dont go below the air inlet and then melt the bottle.
I wonder if you could go full on Linus Tech tips and water cool the whole thing? Just get bottles that are close to fitting in one another or like get a 3 liter soda bottle to fit around your 2 liter bottles and just cut it in half and tape it back together to get the 2 liter insider the 3 liter bottle and pump water through that gap the whole time! I think it would even take longer without a pump because the walls would start off much cooler and with much more thermal mass backing them up.
I'm thinking the issue is you are not getting a laminar flow from your cooling stream. This is likely due to the inconsistent surface caused by 3D printing is likely causing coolant gaps that caused the burnouts. I would suggest trying the same STL on a resin printer and see if you can get a whole 4 seconds of life expectancy. lol One day after I finish school I'd like to start a channel similar to Destin's. I am actually finishing my BS in aerospace engineering at the same school he is pursuing his Ph.D. Our lives took very different paths as we are fairly close in age.
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Started to love it
“I can guarantee….
probably”
- this guy 2021
And I definitely might stand by that
try lining it with silicone spray too. Even better if you can find something that's transparent but not in infrared.