Hey, I remember that Armored Firefly guy. He also argues the same thing, saying that AF can be used as a regular meatshield on Hunter's Map 4 due to his Behemoth Slayer boost. He stopped after I told him that Ramen Cat can reach the same level of durability with few boosts.
@@Flont40 that's what I'm saying! Eraser starts to fall off for me late game Manic Eraser is still amazing though, speed and bulk is fantastic for the price
@@Terrified_Dartanyan Even Manic Eraser faulters in endgame in my experiences his hp is just barely not high enough to survive multiple hits. I still use Manic Eraser mainly on base hit stages as his low damage is still an insane stall, but on other stages I prefer a specialist meatshield (usually Ramen) + rock. (If I need a third meatshield then a 75c meatshield or Jiangshi suffices.)
0:48 I think you already answered your own question there. Gigavolta while strong, already has non uber competition in Seafarer who usually gets the job done. Bazi's biggest non uber competition on the otherhand are Chill cat and Miter Saw Cat, two great units that Bazi hilariously outclass. 2:05 I think another reason why Poseidon is underrated by a good chunk of the community (I've seen more praise for him than people underrating him which is cool ig) is the fact that people see him as a CC unit instead of a damage dealer. Why should I invest in Poseidon when he's mainly a CC unit? Well with investment he actually becomes a fantastic mid-ranged rusher that can burst huge amounts of damage (savage blow rng sucks though, but if your strategy relies on savage blow rng then you should probably do a different strategy lmao), but yeah another thing that puts Poseidon as underrated for a lot of people is just getting it into their heads that Poseidon can be an actually good damage dealer. 5:05 it's a meme from when XSkull said Daliasan was outclassed by Sanzo (with that take aging well) so people just use it on any unit with a cc to meme around. I do agree that it has honestly been run into the ground at this point. Also the main problem with Sorcates is that he's a unit you get in endgame really. If he was a midgame or even lategame obtained unit I think more people would rate him higher, but even if people say they don't take Sorcates being endgame into account he's still ranked around D tier from what I see when I feel he's mid C tier. 6:11 TRUE! He's still a broken anti-traitless, but now his general usage has started getting powercrept and he has a non rare- gacha alternative in Hitman. He's still an extremely powerful unit to have and a top 10 midgame unit, but overall I'd say he's knocked out of top 10. 7:25 I think the recent push of Cameraman being an overrated unit (literally every hot take thread has that one person saying camera is overrated) come from the game being more rush centralized, especially midgame where Courier just wins for you. Why use Cameraman when Courier wins the stage three times as fast for you? I think a lot of Camera's value nowadays comes from actually 3 and 4 star UL where Courier is not as powerful and Camera's stackability is your best option against hard pushing stages that don't have M.Ost in them. Still a top 10 unit to me due to this niche, but I'd rank Slapsticks above her overall for general use. 9:44 The main problem with Catman for me is that his stats are just a bit too lackluster. With his trait targetting he's outclassed by the high tier generalists like Ragnarok, Amaterasu, and Gao. He just needs a bit more attack to move up to A tier.
Regarding X is outclassed by Sanzo. I believe this actually started when Sanzo cat first got his true form, as suddenly, EVERY CC Uber that targets angels or floating was at risk of losing relevancy, or even their spot in the meta. And unfortunately, there were more than a few notable victims at the time, mainly Joyful Nurse Cat and God-Emperor Megidora, once considered great generalists, now considered underwhelming (Awakened Ururun definitely nailed down their coffins though)
@@noneofyourbusiness5167I'm more of a new generation battle cats player (started almost two years ago), but nice to know that. I did notice that more people starting saying "outclassed by sanzo xd" once XSkull said Daliasan was outclassed by Sanzo though so.
I agree with the camera point. I find his speed helpful for his stackability as it allows him to clump easier. Especially on Zombie stages. It helps a lot when holy blast isn't up so a zory or smt unburrows or even returns from the dead and immediately the 5 camera's that were moving towards the front line start putting dmg on it, knocking it back or even finishing it. Something I've noticed from farming Mega Mooth lmao
I've actually found gigavolta more helpful than bazibastra (actually not biased this time) here's why. I already find aliens very easy, but when an alien pushes very hard I find gigavolta more helpful, because gigavolta freezes causing dasli to actually be able to hit the alien. Also since I always use luminalia and dasli against aliens bazibastra can rarely get hits.
@@therealgigavolta The only alien that I can think of that can be an actually strong pusher is Nimoy Bore, and Gigavolta naturally just performs better than Bazibastra, especially when there are other traits to worry about.
Oh yeah, I forgot I waffled about courier in this. I don't disagree with your point on the behemoths though as it is basically everyone's thoughts. the stages suck and are really repetitive at times and it is basically his fault entirely. But I think everyone has talked to death on the behemoth issue by now haha Also as a biased volta fan I do honestly find some value in running baby volta and bora true form bora instead of a one or the other mindset. I wish people considered the elemental pixies baby forms more often as they feel super useful and it works great with volta as now you get stackable freeze.
Hey thanks for including me in the video! I talked about how catman is underrated at 9:45 , but I ment to say he was not talked about as much as he deserves
Nameless Eyewalts is one of the funnest ubers dealing 33000 per hit at level 40 and with his powerful wave he can one-shot aku doge just like slime cat
People sometimes don't acknowledge that masked grandmaster is actually a decent wave unit, he is mostly used for 4* UL or sol peons but he can do some serious damage if he can land his hits.
I'd go as far to say he's a good unit. His cooldown and wave really allow him to shine on certain UL stages like metal mixed stages where he can use metals as a stepping stone, or can be used as a way to snipe Loris.
Definitely underrated unit. Whenever there’s a stage using inamusha, I just use masked grandmaster and inamusha might as well not exist in that stage. It is hilarious
Idk if this is a hot take, but Infernal Tower 41-50 is not fun, just incredibly frustrating. (Floor 46 deserves to be sent to the deepest parts of the Aku Realms.)
I would like to add my 5 cents to this Infernal Tower bosses are a downgrade on Haveanly Tower bosses A slow battle forcing you to stay focused is what makes a hard challenge good, most of the Infernal Tower bosses are just fast pace rush rush rush type of stages which I find to be very underwhelming, being forced to focus on a battle for a long time gives you a form of accomplishment because once you win such a long and hard battle it feel like you've done something others couldn't, Infernal bosses do the exact opposite, fast pace battles are very braindead and easy to learn which I don't think is what original intent behind Haveanly bosses was, it doesn't give the same form of accomplishment but rather a feeling of beating another stage
I’m just gonna say that Hermit Cat was the best boss I’ve ever fought, I am a very rage-y person and almost EVERY hard stage has pissed me off one way or another especially some UL Stages like THE ENTIRETY of Diversity Alkalinity. But I don’t remember raging once in floor 30, whenever I lost I didn’t rage at some enemy like every other hard stage, I just checked my loadout and tried again and beating it was The best feeling I felt playing battle cats next to beating Idi, which was also an amazing rage free stage
9:16 Interesting that they should make that comparison because if you look up their stats, they're almost the exact same unit with diferent targeting. In fact, except for speed, Muu actually has higher stats and abilities in almost every category. Higher hp, higher dps, and wave shield. Although, the difference in stats is actually extremely small, hence why they're basically the same unit.
I feel like seed tracking collab banners is the best use for tracking, waste less resources whether your goal is collection or grabbing the rare few good/great units
@@pizzacat1400 Not using ubers isn't my point? It's just that people might not have the ubers to deal with it If you need three units (one of them being a frail rusher that costs 4500 lmao) to deal with one enemy you need to rework your strategy
Treasures are annoying, they help with parts of the game by buffing your cats, base, cat workers ext and nerf different enemy types but they are just so annoying to get that new players don’t have them and stop playing because it’s too hard to beat stages
@@GrindyVineI can relate to this one time I was missing a SINGULAR anti stared alien treasure from cotc 3 and I was unknowingly fighting ul stared aliens with double the stats than they should’ve had
For me, I'm stuck on Lost Sailors. I now have to go on a detour to finish all of COTC 3 just to beat that stage because of 1000% MesoCosmoCyclone spam. I even have Catman, Mekako, and Saki. Put that all together with a healer and a seafarer and I still fail. After that, I still have to beat an Oldhorn.@@Zegiomio
My hot take? The community values Generalists way too much. Generalists are really cool, but having a generalist that works in many situations will never be as good as having a handful of specialists that you can swap out for each stage. A generalist will almost never perform as good as multiple specialists. That's the whole reason why there are so many unique ubers. Plus, it's more fun to design loadouts around a stage than to have a single loadout that is applicable to most stages. I should know, I have one single lineup that can beat like 80-90% of all non-restriction stages, and it just kinda made the game boring.
@pandaangry1267 Same. I usually use them as a base to copy to another empty slot so I can then modify it to fit the stage better. Once you get so many units, it's kinda hard to remember what units you have, so I just keep them there to remind myself what strong units I have against certain traits.
@pandaangry1267 Ikr? Thermae is honestly my go top anti zombie, he's just so good. I used Rei for a time, but not as much recently in favor of other anti floating like 6th Angel and Saber simply because I'm not a huge fan of her having insane resist instead of insane damage, but regardless, they're still really good as an anti floating. I just got Juvens this last Merc colab, and he has immediately become one of my favorite anti angels. As for other of my fav specialists, I've been having a really fun time with Tigerclaw and 9th angel recently. Also, even though this isn't technically and uber, and this borderlines on generalist, Nanaho is a serious life saver for metal. Ultimate Windy is also fun, but I mostly just use her to mess around since she's so unbelievably broken.
@pandaangry1267 I just think 6th angel is fun to use. I don't care that he's slow or anything, his attack is so cool and his area coverage is ridiculous. On a floating stage, it's so cool to seem him start charging his attack from the back and then hit the entire field of enemies doing like 200k damage or something, 800k if all his surges land, plus slowing the entire field. I'm not saying he's better than REI, I'm just saying I personally have more fun using 6th Angel than REI.
I think we value generalists more because many dificult stages have more than two enemy traits in them so a generalist will be able to perform better than a specialist in those stages and also the top 4 ubers are generalists. Also generalists have more consistent performance than specialists.
Balrog, Mitama and Dark Kasli destroy oppinions about the new content that is being added each update. Yes, I am looking to u, Eieixd and 7+random japanese letters. Those ubers absolutely disintegrate entire stages, and I cant tell if an enemy is annoying or not, because they simply stop existing. I'm a Dark Kasli user, though being around late SoL. I wish more youtubers took the example of this channel or more that play the stage uberless, or at least, with some balanced ubers as alternatives options.
I don't have Balrog or Mitama, but I do have the Kasli trio... but gonna be honest, I don't use them much anymore unless its the dojo or stages I just want to get done and over with (Mainly Barons). More fun to play with the other units or the new UF units :3
Hot take (already mentioned but i'll elaborate): seed tracking is more fun than rolling randomly. I personally find it more fun working for the tickets and xp to get a uber instead of randomly rolling just to be disappointed
This. Why should I develop a gambling addiction to get a unit I want when I can just finesse my way into obtaining it? I'm still paying a cost of cat food and rare tickets to get them, anyway, and I'd rather that investment go into units that I don't have/can benefit from instead of getting 20 Papalugas.
Seed tracking is fine, but hacking aint. Like, whats the purpose of playing if youre just gonna hack. With seed tracking, you actually have a goal to reach instead
seed tracking is what made me actually enjoy the game. The feeling of wasting a month to grind tickets and cf for nothing at all fucking sucks and knowing you are working towards some big goal makes grinding fun
Catyphoon (and me) after seeing and hearing the 7:16 line(s): bro, did you get temporary blindness when looking at Catyphoons' chance? sure, it's higher crit chance AND attack frequency, but it's almost the same thing and situation... as a Power Saw owner, I am outraged as I do find myself using them quite often (no I don't own the TF (haven't beaten Musashi yet, stuck on Zamelle and Brollow spam stage for now even) but still) edited-in add-on: consider this MY hot take
I don’t know if these are hot takes, but here they are: Omens have absolutely no reason to be the hardest Baron stage, since Baron stages were intended to be late game stuff and without ubers they easily remain late game, since there are barely any non-uber counters to them. But for some reason PONOS decided to make it the hardest. Aku Bear Cat can be called one of the worst egg units in game. Fighting off Aku peons doesn’t require too much, and outside of peons Aku Bear simply lacks the range to harm anything. You also get him as one of the last eggs.
omen probably being the hardest is probably because they are aku-themed, and it was the latest trait (not sub-trait) edition to the game, and akus being generally appearing in late game stages, so they made them harder than the other gauntlets. I don't have aku bear so I can't say much, but people say it's a good counter to aku gory
I mean Omens give an extra three base materials so PONOS is somewhat aware Omens is harder than the other barons (ever since Jetpack made Horrorpotamus 10x easier). Fallen Bear Cat was your best option against Aku Gory so people valued it based on it being the best Aku Gory counter. Then true form Uril came along and no one talks about Fallen Bear Cat lmao.
@@Flont40 to be honest even against Aku Gory it’s not effective. Due to extreme pushing power it has, any cat with higher range will be far more effective. Even Cameraman is a great example. Can Can literally does everything even better.
@@Чешуйчатый-д9мI mean Fallen Bear Cat came one version after Cone cat so Aku Gory's pushing power was already halted a bit due to cone cat which allowed Fallen Bear Cat to get free hits in my experience. Still with Cone cat it meant Can Can was just a slightly worse Aku Gory counter that countered literally everything else on the stage so I will agree with you there. True form Uril was just the burial for Fallen Bear Cat into irrelevancy while before it was slightly relevant.
My hottake: ALL ubers suck at level 1. It's better off to get them when you get early game to keep them at lvl 1, (specifically ch 1-3 EOC) by the time you get to ITF chapter 1, you wanna start upgrading the ubers for the first boss you encounter.
Cyberpunk is not very good, i only ever use him on infernal/heavenly tower floor 31. He is only useable if you have absolutely no good longe ranged ubers or you want to waste 90 years of your life cyberstacking which isn’t even that broken or gamechanging
hello, Darktanyan user here. at 6:09 I have to disagree, yes, Hitman is smol darktanyan basically, but I'd rather use Darkt than him most of the time. I like having a rusher that doesn't just die to the first pebble thrown at him, Darktanyan can take quite a beating and that Strenghten is nasty for general usage, I also HATE stacking units because it takes more time to clear a stage and one mistake and your stack goes to shit (Starred UL players can probably agree with me when cyberstacking). Is Darkt as good as he was on release? No, there's so much traitless powercreep, Hitman is still monstrous and Cop Cat is very very good, Darkt fell off but he didn't fall off a cliff like Dart did.
hi im the guy who wrote that take darkt is still an incredible unit, but i think compared to his very peaks he fell off pretty hard. yeah sure dart is worse, but dart never had the peaks that darkt had. also, current endgame stages are very hostile to darkt, as someone who has a level 50 darkt myself i dont find myself using him much anymore in the later endgame levels.
Also, miter saw cat completely counters wan wan. He can tank many hits from him, abuse his high kb count with high dps, and he shreds those metal crocs. He is built for that stage.
HEAVY uber carrying (having half or more of your lineup as Ubers) is incredibly good in late game. Units like lasvoss, balrog, dark phono, izanagi and even units which you wouldn’t expect such as kasli the scourge can synergise together extremely well to the point where the only other units you need in your lineup are a few meatshields like manic eraser jiangshi and cameraman. It’s such an effective strategy that I’ve seen JP TH-camrs beating 3 star UL with 6 slots
I think Markiquad kind of underrated C.A.T. a bit in his explanation (mainly about the range in which C.A.T. is supposed to be a mini Yukimura bursting huge amounts of damage against black then dying.), but yeah as a C.A.T. enjoyer Pizza is better overall. Just use them both lol.
Lasvoss is incredibly underwhelming to actually use. You can get maybe one good attack off with it, and if it isn't a savage blow, congrats on wasting $5400 that could have been spent on more consistent damage dealers. Disposable damage units are fine, but Lasvoss is way too overpriced for what it can do.
it's a gimmicky unit, it tends to do that. It can do absolutely nothing and waste your cash or you can send it to obliterate the boss. Therefore you gotta time your summon of lasvoss to maximise his potential.
Lasvoss is a "we ball" unit. What makes him really great in my opinion is his research combo with Killer cat and Li'l Nyandam. The research combo makes you try out Lasvoss in stages you never would and usually (at least for me) he'll just kind of delete the stage for you. He's not a top 10 unit like I see some people say, but him essentially being a lottery that just sometimes allow you to win the stage makes me put him as the second best dynamite for me.
Lasvoss generally is underwhelming but one good hit can change the entire level. Kappy kawano and kappy Jr were RIGHT at my base and if it hadn’t been a savage blow hit lasvoss did I would’ve been FINISHED. Lasvoss absolutely is a hail marry strategy but it can ABSOLUTELY clutch. In fact he’s also clutched it for me on floor 49 IT where he landed a strengthened savage blow on yulalala
Hot take: Tigerclaw is the best anti-zombie. I think like this because of its insane damage output. At level 49, it deals over 400k damage with all treasures. At level 51 with max attack up talent it has over 50k dps and it deals over 500k damage, capable of taking out any enemy with 8 hits maximum. When i say this, people always go like: "Thermae is better." "Why?" "Because it freezes for one second and has omnistrike." Firstly, that freeze is shit. Secondly, omnistrike is almost always useless unless it is forward. When was the last time you saw omnistrike(backwards) actually hit an enemy? Thanks for reading.
Tiger claw has no health and such a long attack rate that he’s likely to be knockbacked constantly before attacking. Thermae has cool attack plus strong meaning more health and freeze which actually helps because that freeze could get weed whacker into lord gravey and permanently freeze. Tiger claw just takes way too long to attack and has piss poor health and knockback. I’d rather use sarukani or Thermae because sarukani is tankier, has more range, has less knockbacks, and Thermae is tankier, has less knockbacks, freezes so weedwhacker could potentially freeze lord gravey, and has omnistrike which takes care of zombies who burrowed
@@steelpump100 Tigerclaw has 130k health bruv what u talking about. Plus he has dodge talent which makes it more stable and it also means it can take out bosses by itself with enough luck.
7:58 das me thanks 3:37 Ganglion is a unit that sounds better than he actually is his stats conflict with each other, on one hand you have high hp(250k against targets), medium range and long foreswing(2.8 secs) but on the other hand 40 speed and all the animation into backswing. He tries to be a midrange tank and a rusher but most times you only want one or the other. I still thinks he's a good unit because his raw stats especially against his targets are really high.
My hot take: With the amount of hits ramen can take I consider him a light tanker because for me a meat shield is something with low cost and cooldown and dies in 1 to 2 hits, and especially because of his high cost and cooldown for a meatshield. I also don’t like the idea of bringing a research combo to every stage to use him so I treat him as such.
Here's my hot take: Vilger's usage is nonexistent in mid-game outside of cheating heart? as the enemies get stronger,have bigger magnifs and have more abilities
Hot take time: Grideon (is that how you say his name?) and nymph cat are REALLY underlooked cats, they are really good against akus which can be annoying sometimes, and not to mention they can have the same if not more power than an anti aku Uber if used correctly.
Hot Take: I'm kind of glad we don't get the underground labyrinth anymore since it is honestly not fun. The unit loss is *very* random, the levels are quite boring, and it has an end boss that no one except collectors and lucky endgame players will ever see... If it weren't for the facts that it pops up less than The Towers and you get so many Dark Catseyes from it, I'm pretty sure most people would ignore it.
To be fair. The event is kinda made for endgame, and I doubt it is really a big deal as long as it wont eat up event schedule for other events (like I can get other events are more hype, but we keep getting Legend Quest without any changes as well pretty often).
Isn't quite a hot take more of a hope for a future update, I would love if we could have talent orbs for all NP talents like speed up, recovery speed, cost down etc. I feel like it would add more decision making for what talent orbs a unit gets. This probably won't happen for years considering we don't have traitless orbs yet and there are not that many talented units yet.
nah you adding another layer of farming. If these talent orbs were to be farmed from gauntlet, it would cuz there's already 5 drops you can get, and then you still need to merge them. Adding more you make farming for a specific orb harder. So for this to be implemented, there needs to be another orb farming stage
The inherent problem with a traitless gauntlet is that there aren’t even enough units that both target traitless AND have talents. Unless they start giving more no-gacha units talents, our only options for strong vs traitless non-Uber are brainwashed dark and police cat. Massive damage to traitless? Non-existent outside of epicfest Ubers and hitman. Resist? Dogu and dark garu. That’s all. Defense and attack up orbs though are cool because you can slap those on basically anything Edit: upon slightly further inspection, there do seem to be a few other units with resist/strong vs traitless. However, these options are quite limited not only in their numbers but also the use of putting an orb on them. Why would you put a strong vs traitless orb on neo driller cat when defense up is the better option by a mile? Resist up on tourist is cool but when’s the last time you used tourist? Jagando has no true form yet. Perhaps future true forms and talents will give us the units needed to even use these orbs… One unit I could see benefitting from resist up orb is Haniwa. His effective stats, even at level 50, are underwhelming for a specialist meatshield. The orb could be a solid way to mitigate that fact, but I still feel like he would be outclassed by research combos + brainwashed eraser. Against behemoth traitless though he cooks.
Hot take: Courier ruined a chunk of the game, ESPECIALLY SoL and UL. Need a strategy? Just use courier. Having trouble on a difficult stage? Courier can do that for you. Hot take 2: make more vigler variants thanks
I know im a bit late, but i do have 3 things 1: octo does not fuck over waves as most people believe(especially in the later game) that title fully deserves to units like Gneneko and *maybe* talented onmyoji or whatever its TF is called 2. Musashi as a unit is not bad (just look at HMS princess) 3. Most specialized ubers (excluding fest's) are of the same tier, if not worse than, legend rares of the same niche
yooo that's me anyways, i agree with your opinion now that i have almost all good ubers (aside from izanagi but that's a legend ofc), collecting using seed tracking is very fun
Hot Take: Behemoth Culling in general is not as bad as people say, there are some units that certainly outrange/make courier cat not attack like the folivorean, the crab and rangmaster. The only thing they need to do is just to remove or at least make it so that you can play 3 times instead of once. And the empress excavation stages aren't that bad either, they are certainly a great way to get some pretty strong cats (hitman, cactus, etc) and some stages can also be fun like the cumullus gallus' 1st stage.
I had a giant reply chain about my hot take, and while i was a bit upset that it didn't make it in, it also makes sense as to why it didn't, ill do my best to sum it up here but apologies in advance Cat machine is a very underrated tank and is better than kai in most aspects
@@Andy_ShunRed I was stuck on procrastinator parade for so long, but i think false resurrection is the hardest sol stage. I just did it in 4 crown and even with hitman and other power creep units the doge base is still so annoying and I always forget about the assassin bears
hot take if part 5 ever exists: Ubers aren’t worth it if you don’t have all (or most) of the super rares and regular rares. Sure, they’re strong, but only in their niche, while rares and super rares can usually work in most environments.
I think people are too focused on crowd control and forget that a nuker or dps unit can kill enemies faster and that an enemy doesn’t need to be crowd controlled if it is dead.
I think Oni Landshaker Kozuchimaru is a great Angel/Traitless rusher, And i get its damage is only 22K at level 40 and around 66-72K against the target traits, and if you can time it against things such as R. Ost, Henry, Rain D. And Camelle, It can do incredible work even against higher mags, and its angel coverage is also quite good, being able to wipe both Gabriel AND HHippoe, And deal good damage against Sunfish Jones, Chickful A. Angelic gory, And in a similar case as R. Ost, Sleipnir, I think the people don’t like them much is because of its juggling weakness, but its first form is essentially an Anti-Traitless and Angel BTrain, And even in it’s current 2nd form, It have only about a 60 second cooldown
- Hot take, I guess. I think Ultralan Pasalan is underrated. Hit attack cycle and kit is just right to make enemy stays on their place without perma-slowing/perma-freezing the enemies. He's a super long ranged, consistent unit that can halt enemies (usually rushers; with 1 KB, specifically) from further pushes into the base without make the enemy pushes to much to the back (obviously with the help of other crowd control like slow debuffer). I uses him on Old Horn spam stages and Heavenly Tower 31, to make a few example. There's no other unit (afaik) with 100% knockback and 100% freeze other than Ultralan Pasalan (all traits except metal), Awakened Doron (only relic), and Ultima Galaxy Cosmo (angel & floating), and Ultralan have the best attack frequency among them. He's the most consistent unit for this niche. - IDK if this is hot take or not but to make C grade orb and D grade orb having the same NP value upon exchanged is criminal. Raises it. Make C grade equal to 2 NP or something. I hope somebody can give a visual estimation if C grade orb raises to 2 NP (idk if B grade orb or above should be raised as well) and how it affect Ponos's sales like how player spend their energies/leadership, and how it affect gacha sales or something. - I actually like Muu being the slowest unit with great stat in the game. I sometimes uses Muu so my unit is strong enough to defeat enemies but won't reach enemy's base before I upgrade my wallet to the max. Sure, it was a dang long battle but I win the stage. Usually happened on MegaMooth baron stages. I won't use this strat if my team is strong enough to defeat enemy without max wallet or rushes it but this is still viable if I don't have/not want to spend rich cat. Also great unit to have on battles near our base. I do hope Muu TF/UF/Talents at least will have base destroyer (and perhaps savage blow so higher chances to deal huge first damage to enemy's base) so the time it reach enemy's base its worth it. I hope there's at least one more uber rare unit with 1 speed lol. - I agree that cat combo is somewhat under-appreciated. Not relevant most of the time but when it used, it's game changer. Makes the whole play different. Maybe it'll be cool if there's more end-game cat combo with UF as its needed unit, like L or XL ones. It definitely will encourage players to aim for dark cateyes more.
I have 2 hot takes. Babel is actually a good anti-floating and anti-red tanker, he's very underrated, cause some people doesn't watch his potential, just people using the "use Roe and Octopus to tank" statement is annoying. Yeah, he has a high cost and cooldown, but there tankers like Gamereon which he also has a long cooldown and a slightly high cost for a tanker and he's good. Both Legend and Uber that I mentioned are both mid-ranged tankers. "X Is outclassed by Pizza" statement is very annoying, cause every anti-black nuker Uber that releases, people always compare them with Pizza Cat, which Is a Super Rare. Comparing a Uber with a Super Rare or Rare is not a good idea. I'm not saying that Pizza Cat is bad, but the point is that he's too good, which makes people say that "Pizza is better" statement which is tiring and cringey in my opinion.
when there's a unit that's more accessible (pizza cat), people are gonna compare to that unit. That's why massive damage against black cats are always compared to pizza, because he's the standard, and should be on par his level. That's why like wyvern gets compared to him, he's an uber right? And he's also a Collab unit. Thus he's more difficult to obtain and boost due to being uber compared to being a lower rarity and I'm his stat department he falls shorter than pizza cat. But someone like yukimura is still good due to fulfilling a different role than pizza cat being a rusher rather than a stackable offense
@@Azmie11 But just becuase a unit is accesible like Pizza Cat is good, it's not always better than a Massive Damage anti-black Uber, becuase it's basically not knowing the potential of an Uber. And Pizza Cat has his flaws, like his short range and has a slow speed, which many Massive Damage anti-black Ubers are faster than Pizza Cat, but you can Pizza Cat together than the anti-black Uber in question.
@@abraham-kun4144I agree with you to a certain extent, but Pizza having all the general traits you need to beat blacks (high damage and some sort of range mainly) so early on makes it so anti black ubers are way less desirable than something like anti alien or anti aku uber. People compare anti red ubers to Courier all the time. I see people devalue Gigavolta due to Seafarer's existence. When being an uber you have higher expectations thus you're compared to the best non uber picks of a certain trait. If you don't provide anything those units can't, then people will devalue you since there's way easier units to obtain.
@@abraham-kun4144the thing about pizza is role and enemy type. What you said is correct and that’s the reason why something like yuki is not outclassed by pizza, because they have different roles. But nuckers are a different thing apart, the range difference is not that important when they basically outrange the same enemies like the case with wyvern. I agree that completely overlooking a unit just because of pizza is not a very good argument(specially with some ranged black enemies like le noir or the black duck), but it’s not completely without a reason like with sanzo.
I do love the saw cat take but the only way he is good mid game (after cotc) is if you use a epic seed, which can be used on much greater units. Still a good unit but sucks that it takes such an investment for a super rare that is underwhelming outside if his anti alien field
Dark phono is the BEST generalist in the game; he is extremely well rounded with good stats in every department excluding health (although his health is arguably not that bad for his role), and has the 3 most relevant immunities in late game (surge, curse and wave). Unlike Dasli and Phono, he doesn’t completely submit to certain enemies and effects (surge immune for Dasli and loris/traitless enemies for phono), making him a much more stable form of damage. As well as this, he can consistently crowd control the frontline and backline, bringing everything to a halt for a brief period. His mini-surges may not do a lot of damage, but it can extend his CC uptime, and the fact they deal less damage can actually end up being a good thing if you’re fighting an enemy like mega baa-baa who has high damage and surge reflect
Dphono is just kind of a jack of all trades unit which I guess makes him the best generalist in the game. What puts him below Dasli, Izanagi and Phono for me is that Dphono has no particular thing that pushes him over the edge like Dasli or Izanagi (Dasli's juggling surge + curse and Izanagi's pierce). He's a broken "honest" uber. (honest as in no particular trait he has that allows him to just dunk on certain stages and instead being fantastic nearly everywhere.)
Hot take: crazed cat and eraser are bad stages because they don’t really show you what the unit is. You fight a super tanky and high damage boss, and you get a meatshield. I love manic island, because you fight an enemy that gets sent out often who has good stats, and that’s what you get.
People always get extremely heated when i say this: imo, izanagi is better than balrog. Yes i know balrog has the highest dps in the game, but on units like balrog dps rarely matters. You count the value u get from a balrog by the number of hits u get off him, due to the short range. Because of that, i usually get wayy more value off of izanagi compared to balrog, even while considering balrog's cheaper cost and shorter cd. Balrog usually only get one or two meaningful hits and maybe a strengthen hit if lucky, due to his meatshield level range and single target. Izanagi on the other hand, has sustainable range as well as summon to keep him alive better, and multihit that hit further to mitigate single target and hit hit past peons. This leads him to landing like 10+ meaningful hits. Finally, the biggest reason why i think izanagi is better is that he can reach the backlines with balrog's strenthened dmg. This completely breaks at least 40% of stages in the game, and another 40% hes still op in just by killing frontliners. Only 20% if stages does izanagi actually struggle. With that being said, i dont think balrog is bad at all, i think hes def top tier, just not as super versatile as ppl make him out to be. Ik he can pull off crazy stuff like solo kawano and melt frontline threats, but that stuff is very situational and i find a lot of stages he struggles at. Overall, balrog amd izanagi can both pull off super impressive stuff, but izanagi works in more stages.
Actually just spitting facts. Izanagi is better than Balrog, but he still doesn't replace what Balrog offers. Izanagi just deletes half of UL for you with minimal effort while Balrog requires you to dedicate half your lineup to make him almost as versatile as Izanagi.
Tbh Balrog's true strength lies in his dumb extremely short cooldown combined with the stats he has already (tbolt + wave/surge unit is often enough (commonly brought stuff) and he makes most advents and boss stages a joke). Izanagi cannot be stacked as a conjure unit, and not that that matters too much, his range still is well within firing range of alot of enemies and it isnt always easy to keep him around. Izanagi is jacked af still, and I dont even like Balrog in particular, but that is just how I see it.
@@casualkris4806 I agree and as I said Izanagi does not put Balrog out of top 5 imo. He's just better due to his insane pierce and midrange allowing him to destroy any stage that isn't just backliner galore with no stepping stone. Izanagi can solo 3* Belated Priest with just him and Riceball which is a feat only shared by Dasli.
@@Flont40 wow the first person that agrees with me. That's exactly what im saying. Balrog pulls off crazy stuff tgat izanagi never could, but izanagi can also do crazy stuff tgat balrog never could, and hes more versatile overall
@@casualkris4806 there's a reason why i said 'sustainable range". He def gets outranged by a good deal of enemies, and hes nowhere near as safe do use as a 450+ range backliner, but his range is enough to keep him out of the 100-200 range death zone, and he can also tank enemies that outranges him. Balrog is right in that hell hole dps zone in the front lines, meaning its impossible to sustain him in most situations. Ur just gonna pray that he lasts long enough to land a good hit, and thats the extent of the value ur getting. Sure tbolt helps him last longer and wave/surges help him hit whats important, but izanagi needs none of that while also being sustainable.
Hot take: Legeluga is really underrated. He has similar speed, damage, range, HP, TBA and DPS like Lil valk, but people just use valk but not Legeluga. Very underrated unit I think.
hot take: hades is one of the best and most underrated early game ubers in the game:(Tldr: big short range wall with chip damage that destroyes early game) he has an insane around 450000 hp at level 30 tanking almost anything in early game along with 250 range which allows him to soak up damage from enemies kepping them to a halt. For context, rock cat has some where around 330000 hp. He also has a fair 7k dps which isn't good for tank at that range but it is still good to chip down and clear some peons. I've gotten many good early game ubers and even a legend rare but none of them affected my progression as much as hades. He's not goot to point where he breaks early game but is still a really powerful uber
Outside of rushing stages and ms sign strats, keeping Warlock and Pierre on their first form for the Base destroyer ability isn't worth it. If you can hold the enemy base in range for time enough for the attack, you would've won anyways.
People saying Sanzo outclasses Socrates is crazy cuz from my experience Socrates seems to out perform Sanzo in almost all aspects and it's not that close.
Hot take: True form Mecha bun isn't bad when you get him in UL. A majority of the relics in early UL are rather bulky with somewhat low damage aside from sir rel. His usefullness drops however after UL-12 Depths of my heart. He would need talents in order to be viable in the current relic meta, like more HP, faster speed, more damage etc. Also, i prefer early ZL to early UL and early SOL, I liked that the game mixed things up after UL by not going for UL2 but instead more along the lines of early SOL with older advent bosses, cyclones, and monthly enemies. I wished post socrates the game would throw in the tier 2 advent bosses and the rest of the cylones and keep the sage subtype exclusive to bosses.
People aren't going to like this, they haven't before, but Manic Eraser is not the best meatshield, normal Eraser is. Two reasons: One normal Eraser is more tight, if he’s your only/main meatshield there aren't gaps for enemies to slip through. Two: once you have total level Eraser higher than Manic by around 20, the health difference is non-existent. Yes that can be a lot to have a total 50 level Eraser compared to a level 30 M. eraser, but the amount of XP to level M. Eraser is insane, when cat ticket farming is easy, (the things are given out like candy) and should be getting done anyway. Yes M. Eraser is good, but only a second best.
Id say the main reason why people prefer Manic Eraser is how it can more easily edge out a niche as many of the top meatshields like Ramen/Shigong/some others tend to be on the slower end. But I know both Erasers still manage to stay relevant throughout the whole game.
@casualkris4806 true, often I'll go with both to eventually have a more solid defense but also get there fast enough in the long term, I'm just sick of hearing people blind.y say M. Eraser, but you definitely make a good point.
Hot take cat god is good like REALLY good like being able to knock back anything pushing them to their base allowing your units to hit them with area attacks or kill their base and before you say it he doesn’t deal good damage so just don’t evolve him and use the gold fruit on Lassvos
lol the "catman is underrated" tweet is funny to me because by no means is he underrated. It's a good unit that has gotten praise from many people in the community lol. people just be sayin shit
Hot Takes (That will never get in the video because I don't have Twitter) Infernal Tower from Floor 41 - 46 is so unfun, a comment a few comment below mines said the same thing, it's a literal war zone, that level with the Wicked Cat is a literal torture device, the point of the towers are to test your skill, these are just the average infuriating UL levels. Kasli > Dasli, the fact she can kb metals can invent some new metal stage cheese methods in the future, curse only works with relics, etc. And dasli is only good for her DPS, Kasli has less than this but she has an ability that can be used to some extent, and I swear, Mizli Syndrome gets deleted end game, it barely exists, cope, get over it. I can probably eat these words in the future, but Sage Enemies are easy, no threat at all, yes Socrates is a hard boss, but the new LeMur can be easily trivialized and the new Dober can be demolished by C.A.T and Supercat if there's ever a 4-star, 1-star - 3-star are just Yukimura/Pizza Cat playgrounds, for me however, my beloved Keiji can surely deal with it🥰🥰🥰🥰
During the endgame Farmboy cat can be better than Sanzo cat due to his 50% chance to slow angels for 4 seconds* [4.8 seconds with all anti angel treasures] compared to sanzo cat's 20% chance to slow angels with 4-4.8 seconds. Plus his 350 range,4kb and higher health makes him more likely to last longer but Farmboy cat does have his issues mainly he has single target and a longer cooldown than Sanzo cat
Agreed, the St Dober matchup for Farmboy is insane, having a near guaranteed slow and having more range which allows for juliet cats to have a better chance at freezing St Dober (the most common way to deal with St Dober). Also outranging Winged Pigge is always nice. The only stage where I'd say Sanzo's angel target is really good is Palcaccio Waters where the swarms of angelic gories alongside bores is too much for even Ramen to deal with.
Idk if this is a hot take but the gap between wphono and dphono heavily exaggerated. wphono excels better at most trait targets except traitless in damage. However dphono is better in cases where crowd control or a higher hp unit is more valuable. There are many situations in 3 star UL where dphono tanks a hit where wphono does not on top of many situations where wphono's offence isn't enough by itself. Also with relic and aku not having treasures their damage is not that different in late UL stages. While wphono also has his own advantages like 100 extra range dphono is not at all significantly worse than it's uberfest counterpart and I would even argue they are both equal as someone who has them both at lvl 50.
Dalsli is overrated, I never even use her as her blind spot is kinda big for her range and she really isn’t fun to use in end game like lasvoss or balrog
@PolInKenexel she’s only good in early-mid game to carry people who aren’t good but when you do get good and have to do zero legends and starred uncanny legends units like balrog and dphono are so much better
Because Ponos... Sort of ? Knows how strong freeze is (they still didnt learn with Bomber) and so Necro is mostly strong in numbers, but Sanzo already works even when you summon less of them unlike the slightly riskier to use Necro. So, whenever you can stack, Necro > Sanzo. But Sanzo is much more budget friendly (also targets angel and reliably hits groups, wave talent also only works reliably in groups)
Hot take. Zombies are worse than metal . Zombies are stronger and could borrow to base and heavenly tower and infernal tower zombies stage are hard because the boosted zombies doing more than 40k damage.l.
I use Yamii constantly for wave stages, its good, though I will opt for Octo for more Floating heavy stuff. Witchy Neneko is technically better than Yam due to her deploy cost, but harder to get because she's seasonal.
I think we can all agree that Uril being the best legend has been a freezing cold take ever since his tf dropped
Best kasli honestly
Might be debateable but honestly not that surprising of a take to have
Fun fact Uril can beat stages with just cone that, dasli, kasli, akukasli + cons lose to
Hot Take: Courier is pretty strong
Basically dasli, but people won’t dunk on you for uber carrying.
Hey, I remember that Armored Firefly guy. He also argues the same thing, saying that AF can be used as a regular meatshield on Hunter's Map 4 due to his Behemoth Slayer boost. He stopped after I told him that Ramen Cat can reach the same level of durability with few boosts.
gotta love ramen cat boosting so high it out generalizes above specialist meatshields
What's your opinion about Eraser vs Ramen (late game)? The more I advanced the less I brought Eraser to my lineups, Ramen performed better to me
@@Terrified_DartanyanHow boosted is your Ramen?
I'd say a boosted Ramen is flat out better especially if you can slot in research combos.
@@Flont40 that's what I'm saying! Eraser starts to fall off for me late game
Manic Eraser is still amazing though, speed and bulk is fantastic for the price
@@Terrified_Dartanyan Even Manic Eraser faulters in endgame in my experiences his hp is just barely not high enough to survive multiple hits. I still use Manic Eraser mainly on base hit stages as his low damage is still an insane stall, but on other stages I prefer a specialist meatshield (usually Ramen) + rock. (If I need a third meatshield then a 75c meatshield or Jiangshi suffices.)
Hot take: this video is outclassed by Sanzo.
YES
@@XskullDrSkull XSkull gets it.
0:48 I think you already answered your own question there.
Gigavolta while strong, already has non uber competition in Seafarer who usually gets the job done.
Bazi's biggest non uber competition on the otherhand are Chill cat and Miter Saw Cat, two great units that Bazi hilariously outclass.
2:05 I think another reason why Poseidon is underrated by a good chunk of the community (I've seen more praise for him than people underrating him which is cool ig) is the fact that people see him as a CC unit instead of a damage dealer. Why should I invest in Poseidon when he's mainly a CC unit? Well with investment he actually becomes a fantastic mid-ranged rusher that can burst huge amounts of damage (savage blow rng sucks though, but if your strategy relies on savage blow rng then you should probably do a different strategy lmao), but yeah another thing that puts Poseidon as underrated for a lot of people is just getting it into their heads that Poseidon can be an actually good damage dealer.
5:05 it's a meme from when XSkull said Daliasan was outclassed by Sanzo (with that take aging well) so people just use it on any unit with a cc to meme around. I do agree that it has honestly been run into the ground at this point. Also the main problem with Sorcates is that he's a unit you get in endgame really. If he was a midgame or even lategame obtained unit I think more people would rate him higher, but even if people say they don't take Sorcates being endgame into account he's still ranked around D tier from what I see when I feel he's mid C tier.
6:11 TRUE! He's still a broken anti-traitless, but now his general usage has started getting powercrept and he has a non rare- gacha alternative in Hitman. He's still an extremely powerful unit to have and a top 10 midgame unit, but overall I'd say he's knocked out of top 10.
7:25 I think the recent push of Cameraman being an overrated unit (literally every hot take thread has that one person saying camera is overrated) come from the game being more rush centralized, especially midgame where Courier just wins for you. Why use Cameraman when Courier wins the stage three times as fast for you? I think a lot of Camera's value nowadays comes from actually 3 and 4 star UL where Courier is not as powerful and Camera's stackability is your best option against hard pushing stages that don't have M.Ost in them. Still a top 10 unit to me due to this niche, but I'd rank Slapsticks above her overall for general use.
9:44 The main problem with Catman for me is that his stats are just a bit too lackluster. With his trait targetting he's outclassed by the high tier generalists like Ragnarok, Amaterasu, and Gao. He just needs a bit more attack to move up to A tier.
Regarding X is outclassed by Sanzo. I believe this actually started when Sanzo cat first got his true form, as suddenly, EVERY CC Uber that targets angels or floating was at risk of losing relevancy, or even their spot in the meta. And unfortunately, there were more than a few notable victims at the time, mainly Joyful Nurse Cat and God-Emperor Megidora, once considered great generalists, now considered underwhelming (Awakened Ururun definitely nailed down their coffins though)
@@noneofyourbusiness5167I'm more of a new generation battle cats player (started almost two years ago), but nice to know that.
I did notice that more people starting saying "outclassed by sanzo xd" once XSkull said Daliasan was outclassed by Sanzo though so.
I agree with the camera point. I find his speed helpful for his stackability as it allows him to clump easier. Especially on Zombie stages. It helps a lot when holy blast isn't up so a zory or smt unburrows or even returns from the dead and immediately the 5 camera's that were moving towards the front line start putting dmg on it, knocking it back or even finishing it. Something I've noticed from farming Mega Mooth lmao
I've actually found gigavolta more helpful than bazibastra (actually not biased this time) here's why. I already find aliens very easy, but when an alien pushes very hard I find gigavolta more helpful, because gigavolta freezes causing dasli to actually be able to hit the alien. Also since I always use luminalia and dasli against aliens bazibastra can rarely get hits.
@@therealgigavolta The only alien that I can think of that can be an actually strong pusher is Nimoy Bore, and Gigavolta naturally just performs better than Bazibastra, especially when there are other traits to worry about.
Oh yeah, I forgot I waffled about courier in this.
I don't disagree with your point on the behemoths though as it is basically everyone's thoughts. the stages suck and are really repetitive at times and it is basically his fault entirely. But I think everyone has talked to death on the behemoth issue by now haha
Also as a biased volta fan I do honestly find some value in running baby volta and bora true form bora instead of a one or the other mindset. I wish people considered the elemental pixies baby forms more often as they feel super useful and it works great with volta as now you get stackable freeze.
Hey thanks for including me in the video! I talked about how catman is underrated at 9:45 , but I ment to say he was not talked about as much as he deserves
Nameless Eyewalts is one of the funnest ubers dealing 33000 per hit at level 40 and with his powerful wave he can one-shot aku doge just like slime cat
Also he can easily take out a fallen bear
He’s definitely one of the more powerful collab ubers with true form
Gotta love it when a salvage blow wave caught fallenbear of shield
@@sonnguyenviet3490 fr tho also today I got 5 savage blows in a row and he destroyed the stage
@@iker9095 yes
People sometimes don't acknowledge that masked grandmaster is actually a decent wave unit, he is mostly used for 4* UL or sol peons but he can do some serious damage if he can land his hits.
I'd go as far to say he's a good unit.
His cooldown and wave really allow him to shine on certain UL stages like metal mixed stages where he can use metals as a stepping stone, or can be used as a way to snipe Loris.
He is great in my opinion for being like a jelly but weaker and more hits
Definitely underrated unit. Whenever there’s a stage using inamusha, I just use masked grandmaster and inamusha might as well not exist in that stage. It is hilarious
Idk if this is a hot take, but Infernal Tower 41-50 is not fun, just incredibly frustrating. (Floor 46 deserves to be sent to the deepest parts of the Aku Realms.)
I had to do it before starting ul... it was NOT fun (especially f 44 cuz no cutter cat)
If you're done with UL it's a snoozefest and if you're not then floor 49 is incredibly frustrating
Infernal tower is really weird because there are some floors that are easier and some that are harder than the heavenly tower floors
infernal 44 and 41 is so much harder then the rest of the tower they are so bad at balancing it
Man the 2 ackeys on floor 41 were pure evil
I would like to add my 5 cents to this
Infernal Tower bosses are a downgrade on Haveanly Tower bosses
A slow battle forcing you to stay focused is what makes a hard challenge good, most of the Infernal Tower bosses are just fast pace rush rush rush type of stages which I find to be very underwhelming, being forced to focus on a battle for a long time gives you a form of accomplishment because once you win such a long and hard battle it feel like you've done something others couldn't, Infernal bosses do the exact opposite, fast pace battles are very braindead and easy to learn which I don't think is what original intent behind Haveanly bosses was, it doesn't give the same form of accomplishment but rather a feeling of beating another stage
Thats one hell of a freezing cold take
I’m just gonna say that Hermit Cat was the best boss I’ve ever fought, I am a very rage-y person and almost EVERY hard stage has pissed me off one way or another especially some UL Stages like THE ENTIRETY of Diversity Alkalinity. But I don’t remember raging once in floor 30, whenever I lost I didn’t rage at some enemy like every other hard stage, I just checked my loadout and tried again and beating it was The best feeling I felt playing battle cats next to beating Idi, which was also an amazing rage free stage
9:16
Interesting that they should make that comparison because if you look up their stats, they're almost the exact same unit with diferent targeting. In fact, except for speed, Muu actually has higher stats and abilities in almost every category. Higher hp, higher dps, and wave shield. Although, the difference in stats is actually extremely small, hence why they're basically the same unit.
Not even surprised my essay with separate tweets didn't got through lol
I feel like seed tracking collab banners is the best use for tracking, waste less resources whether your goal is collection or grabbing the rare few good/great units
4:49 SPACE CAT BARRIER BREAKER FANS WOOOOOOOOO
Space cat (atleast at level 30) gets dunked on by youcan
@@pizzacat1400literally all non uber barrier breakers do
@@TheBestFormOfHumor ok, but why not use ubers
@@TheBestFormOfHumor also I think kitty of liberty with bahamut and sniper the deadeye dunk on him
@@pizzacat1400
Not using ubers isn't my point? It's just that people might not have the ubers to deal with it
If you need three units (one of them being a frail rusher that costs 4500 lmao) to deal with one enemy you need to rework your strategy
Treasures are annoying, they help with parts of the game by buffing your cats, base, cat workers ext and nerf different enemy types but they are just so annoying to get that new players don’t have them and stop playing because it’s too hard to beat stages
Especially how mandatory it is on CotC and ITF
Like "better get those treasure or this alien will one shot you"
@@GrindyVineI can relate to this one time I was missing a SINGULAR anti stared alien treasure from cotc 3 and I was unknowingly fighting ul stared aliens with double the stats than they should’ve had
For me, I'm stuck on Lost Sailors. I now have to go on a detour to finish all of COTC 3 just to beat that stage because of 1000% MesoCosmoCyclone spam. I even have Catman, Mekako, and Saki. Put that all together with a healer and a seafarer and I still fail. After that, I still have to beat an Oldhorn.@@Zegiomio
I thought this was suppose to be a hot take. Anyways, it pretty much acts like a filter.
At least we have golden cpu now to help. Back then it was pain
My hot take? The community values Generalists way too much. Generalists are really cool, but having a generalist that works in many situations will never be as good as having a handful of specialists that you can swap out for each stage. A generalist will almost never perform as good as multiple specialists. That's the whole reason why there are so many unique ubers. Plus, it's more fun to design loadouts around a stage than to have a single loadout that is applicable to most stages. I should know, I have one single lineup that can beat like 80-90% of all non-restriction stages, and it just kinda made the game boring.
@pandaangry1267 Same. I usually use them as a base to copy to another empty slot so I can then modify it to fit the stage better. Once you get so many units, it's kinda hard to remember what units you have, so I just keep them there to remind myself what strong units I have against certain traits.
@pandaangry1267 Ikr? Thermae is honestly my go top anti zombie, he's just so good. I used Rei for a time, but not as much recently in favor of other anti floating like 6th Angel and Saber simply because I'm not a huge fan of her having insane resist instead of insane damage, but regardless, they're still really good as an anti floating. I just got Juvens this last Merc colab, and he has immediately become one of my favorite anti angels.
As for other of my fav specialists, I've been having a really fun time with Tigerclaw and 9th angel recently. Also, even though this isn't technically and uber, and this borderlines on generalist, Nanaho is a serious life saver for metal.
Ultimate Windy is also fun, but I mostly just use her to mess around since she's so unbelievably broken.
We stopped valuing generalists a long time ago
@pandaangry1267 I just think 6th angel is fun to use. I don't care that he's slow or anything, his attack is so cool and his area coverage is ridiculous. On a floating stage, it's so cool to seem him start charging his attack from the back and then hit the entire field of enemies doing like 200k damage or something, 800k if all his surges land, plus slowing the entire field. I'm not saying he's better than REI, I'm just saying I personally have more fun using 6th Angel than REI.
I think we value generalists more because many dificult stages have more than two enemy traits in them so a generalist will be able to perform better than a specialist in those stages and also the top 4 ubers are generalists. Also generalists have more consistent performance than specialists.
7:25 Thank you so much for putting me in the vido❤️❤️
The one hit wonders are incredibly slept on as generalists, only reason i took him out of the team is because i got phonoa
yes
Balrog, Mitama and Dark Kasli destroy oppinions about the new content that is being added each update. Yes, I am looking to u, Eieixd and 7+random japanese letters. Those ubers absolutely disintegrate entire stages, and I cant tell if an enemy is annoying or not, because they simply stop existing. I'm a Dark Kasli user, though being around late SoL. I wish more youtubers took the example of this channel or more that play the stage uberless, or at least, with some balanced ubers as alternatives options.
I don't have Balrog or Mitama, but I do have the Kasli trio... but gonna be honest, I don't use them much anymore unless its the dojo or stages I just want to get done and over with (Mainly Barons). More fun to play with the other units or the new UF units :3
@@Surkk2960 Agree a 100%
6:46 as someone who got miter VERY early game, this is true. Dont sleep on the lil guy
Hot take (already mentioned but i'll elaborate): seed tracking is more fun than rolling randomly.
I personally find it more fun working for the tickets and xp to get a uber instead of randomly rolling just to be disappointed
This. Why should I develop a gambling addiction to get a unit I want when I can just finesse my way into obtaining it? I'm still paying a cost of cat food and rare tickets to get them, anyway, and I'd rather that investment go into units that I don't have/can benefit from instead of getting 20 Papalugas.
Seed tracking is fine, but hacking aint. Like, whats the purpose of playing if youre just gonna hack. With seed tracking, you actually have a goal to reach instead
i think seedtracking by itself is fine but people who says ''haha i got dasli with seedtrack make me crazy''
btw hi spicy
seed tracking is what made me actually enjoy the game. The feeling of wasting a month to grind tickets and cf for nothing at all fucking sucks and knowing you are working towards some big goal makes grinding fun
Catyphoon (and me) after seeing and hearing the 7:16 line(s): bro, did you get temporary blindness when looking at Catyphoons' chance? sure, it's higher crit chance AND attack frequency, but it's almost the same thing and situation...
as a Power Saw owner, I am outraged as I do find myself using them quite often (no I don't own the TF (haven't beaten Musashi yet, stuck on Zamelle and Brollow spam stage for now even) but still)
edited-in add-on: consider this MY hot take
Reading and responding to battle cats hot takes : omg is that senpai lucasIV edition
I don’t know if these are hot takes, but here they are:
Omens have absolutely no reason to be the hardest Baron stage, since Baron stages were intended to be late game stuff and without ubers they easily remain late game, since there are barely any non-uber counters to them. But for some reason PONOS decided to make it the hardest.
Aku Bear Cat can be called one of the worst egg units in game. Fighting off Aku peons doesn’t require too much, and outside of peons Aku Bear simply lacks the range to harm anything. You also get him as one of the last eggs.
omen probably being the hardest is probably because they are aku-themed, and it was the latest trait (not sub-trait) edition to the game, and akus being generally appearing in late game stages, so they made them harder than the other gauntlets.
I don't have aku bear so I can't say much, but people say it's a good counter to aku gory
I mean Omens give an extra three base materials so PONOS is somewhat aware Omens is harder than the other barons (ever since Jetpack made Horrorpotamus 10x easier).
Fallen Bear Cat was your best option against Aku Gory so people valued it based on it being the best Aku Gory counter. Then true form Uril came along and no one talks about Fallen Bear Cat lmao.
@@Flont40 to be honest even against Aku Gory it’s not effective. Due to extreme pushing power it has, any cat with higher range will be far more effective. Even Cameraman is a great example. Can Can literally does everything even better.
@@Чешуйчатый-д9мI mean Fallen Bear Cat came one version after Cone cat so Aku Gory's pushing power was already halted a bit due to cone cat which allowed Fallen Bear Cat to get free hits in my experience.
Still with Cone cat it meant Can Can was just a slightly worse Aku Gory counter that countered literally everything else on the stage so I will agree with you there.
True form Uril was just the burial for Fallen Bear Cat into irrelevancy while before it was slightly relevant.
My hottake:
ALL ubers suck at level 1. It's better off to get them when you get early game to keep them at lvl 1, (specifically ch 1-3 EOC) by the time you get to ITF chapter 1, you wanna start upgrading the ubers for the first boss you encounter.
Cyberpunk is not very good, i only ever use him on infernal/heavenly tower floor 31. He is only useable if you have absolutely no good longe ranged ubers or you want to waste 90 years of your life cyberstacking which isn’t even that broken or gamechanging
Dats insane 😮☢️🐩🦆🪿
@@eggbrainss Hot take: The dogs kept barking idk why
This is just wrong tbh
50% slow uptime on the entire frontline and sometimes part of the backline is already plenty good
@@dinoaurus1 his blind spot is massive and when you have good ubers he isn’t useful
@@Bombo_Cart nothing but meatshields and spammable stallers are useful if you have good ubers
hello, Darktanyan user here.
at 6:09 I have to disagree, yes, Hitman is smol darktanyan basically, but I'd rather use Darkt than him most of the time. I like having a rusher that doesn't just die to the first pebble thrown at him, Darktanyan can take quite a beating and that Strenghten is nasty for general usage, I also HATE stacking units because it takes more time to clear a stage and one mistake and your stack goes to shit (Starred UL players can probably agree with me when cyberstacking).
Is Darkt as good as he was on release? No, there's so much traitless powercreep, Hitman is still monstrous and Cop Cat is very very good, Darkt fell off but he didn't fall off a cliff like Dart did.
hi im the guy who wrote that take
darkt is still an incredible unit, but i think compared to his very peaks he fell off pretty hard. yeah sure dart is worse, but dart never had the peaks that darkt had.
also, current endgame stages are very hostile to darkt, as someone who has a level 50 darkt myself i dont find myself using him much anymore in the later endgame levels.
let's gooo another LordMarkiquad video!
Hot take: Old O’ Fortuna is better than the new one
Subzero take 🥶🥶🥶
thats a cold ass take dawg
At least SOMEONE agrees with that for once
0° Kelvin ass take
that aint a hot take, thats a fact
Also, miter saw cat completely counters wan wan. He can tank many hits from him, abuse his high kb count with high dps, and he shreds those metal crocs. He is built for that stage.
HEAVY uber carrying (having half or more of your lineup as Ubers) is incredibly good in late game. Units like lasvoss, balrog, dark phono, izanagi and even units which you wouldn’t expect such as kasli the scourge can synergise together extremely well to the point where the only other units you need in your lineup are a few meatshields like manic eraser jiangshi and cameraman. It’s such an effective strategy that I’ve seen JP TH-camrs beating 3 star UL with 6 slots
bro, uber carrying is good everywhere not only late game, just don't have the entire lineup as uber and you'll be fine
I can’t read that essay there are big words su :(
From markiquad responding to my "Pizza cat < C.A.T" i think i can kinda see why that pizza would be better more... thanks for the education
I dont know what unit C.A.T is can you please tell me
It’s the 3 cats
@@Fireinthewater Ooooh cats in the box
I think Markiquad kind of underrated C.A.T. a bit in his explanation (mainly about the range in which C.A.T. is supposed to be a mini Yukimura bursting huge amounts of damage against black then dying.), but yeah as a C.A.T. enjoyer Pizza is better overall.
Just use them both lol.
@@tristanrowanmooijman3549 heavy assault C.A.T (aka box cat true form)
the poseidon person has a good point
Lasvoss is incredibly underwhelming to actually use. You can get maybe one good attack off with it, and if it isn't a savage blow, congrats on wasting $5400 that could have been spent on more consistent damage dealers. Disposable damage units are fine, but Lasvoss is way too overpriced for what it can do.
it's a gimmicky unit, it tends to do that. It can do absolutely nothing and waste your cash or you can send it to obliterate the boss. Therefore you gotta time your summon of lasvoss to maximise his potential.
Lasvoss is a "we ball" unit.
What makes him really great in my opinion is his research combo with Killer cat and Li'l Nyandam. The research combo makes you try out Lasvoss in stages you never would and usually (at least for me) he'll just kind of delete the stage for you.
He's not a top 10 unit like I see some people say, but him essentially being a lottery that just sometimes allow you to win the stage makes me put him as the second best dynamite for me.
Lasvoss generally is underwhelming but one good hit can change the entire level. Kappy kawano and kappy Jr were RIGHT at my base and if it hadn’t been a savage blow hit lasvoss did I would’ve been FINISHED. Lasvoss absolutely is a hail marry strategy but it can ABSOLUTELY clutch. In fact he’s also clutched it for me on floor 49 IT where he landed a strengthened savage blow on yulalala
Poseidon praise savage blow go go crazy let’s go community
Hot take: Tigerclaw is the best anti-zombie.
I think like this because of its insane damage output. At level 49, it deals over 400k damage with all treasures. At level 51 with max attack up talent it has over 50k dps and it deals over 500k damage, capable of taking out any enemy with 8 hits maximum. When i say this, people always go like: "Thermae is better." "Why?" "Because it freezes for one second and has omnistrike." Firstly, that freeze is shit. Secondly, omnistrike is almost always useless unless it is forward. When was the last time you saw omnistrike(backwards) actually hit an enemy? Thanks for reading.
Tiger claw has no health and such a long attack rate that he’s likely to be knockbacked constantly before attacking. Thermae has cool attack plus strong meaning more health and freeze which actually helps because that freeze could get weed whacker into lord gravey and permanently freeze. Tiger claw just takes way too long to attack and has piss poor health and knockback. I’d rather use sarukani or Thermae because sarukani is tankier, has more range, has less knockbacks, and Thermae is tankier, has less knockbacks, freezes so weedwhacker could potentially freeze lord gravey, and has omnistrike which takes care of zombies who burrowed
@@steelpump100 but he has funny little guy with rubber ring on it :(
@@steelpump100 Tigerclaw has 130k health bruv what u talking about. Plus he has dodge talent which makes it more stable and it also means it can take out bosses by itself with enough luck.
@@JustOverdrive nah he gets knockbacked before he ever attacks 99% of the time
@@steelpump100 That's incorrect. You're not using this unit to its full potential.
Nice to see Kristal Muu appreciation
If only it was easier to get :\
7:58 das me thanks
3:37 Ganglion is a unit that sounds better than he actually is his stats conflict with each other, on one hand you have high hp(250k against targets), medium range and long foreswing(2.8 secs) but on the other hand 40 speed and all the animation into backswing. He tries to be a midrange tank and a rusher but most times you only want one or the other. I still thinks he's a good unit because his raw stats especially against his targets are really high.
My hot take: With the amount of hits ramen can take I consider him a light tanker because for me a meat shield is something with low cost and cooldown and dies in 1 to 2 hits, and especially because of his high cost and cooldown for a meatshield. I also don’t like the idea of bringing a research combo to every stage to use him so I treat him as such.
Here's my hot take:
Vilger's usage is nonexistent in mid-game outside of cheating heart? as the enemies get stronger,have bigger magnifs and have more abilities
Hot take time: Grideon (is that how you say his name?) and nymph cat are REALLY underlooked cats, they are really good against akus which can be annoying sometimes, and not to mention they can have the same if not more power than an anti aku Uber if used correctly.
Hot Take: I'm kind of glad we don't get the underground labyrinth anymore since it is honestly not fun.
The unit loss is *very* random, the levels are quite boring, and it has an end boss that no one except collectors and lucky endgame players will ever see...
If it weren't for the facts that it pops up less than The Towers and you get so many Dark Catseyes from it, I'm pretty sure most people would ignore it.
To be fair. The event is kinda made for endgame, and I doubt it is really a big deal as long as it wont eat up event schedule for other events (like I can get other events are more hype, but we keep getting Legend Quest without any changes as well pretty often).
Isn't quite a hot take more of a hope for a future update, I would love if we could have talent orbs for all NP talents like speed up, recovery speed, cost down etc. I feel like it would add more decision making for what talent orbs a unit gets. This probably won't happen for years considering we don't have traitless orbs yet and there are not that many talented units yet.
nah you adding another layer of farming. If these talent orbs were to be farmed from gauntlet, it would cuz there's already 5 drops you can get, and then you still need to merge them. Adding more you make farming for a specific orb harder. So for this to be implemented, there needs to be another orb farming stage
Wait for it mate, Baron Haniwanwan was recently added, so it wont be a matter of surprise if a Baron Traitless gets introduced in the future
The inherent problem with a traitless gauntlet is that there aren’t even enough units that both target traitless AND have talents. Unless they start giving more no-gacha units talents, our only options for strong vs traitless non-Uber are brainwashed dark and police cat. Massive damage to traitless? Non-existent outside of epicfest Ubers and hitman. Resist? Dogu and dark garu. That’s all. Defense and attack up orbs though are cool because you can slap those on basically anything
Edit: upon slightly further inspection, there do seem to be a few other units with resist/strong vs traitless. However, these options are quite limited not only in their numbers but also the use of putting an orb on them. Why would you put a strong vs traitless orb on neo driller cat when defense up is the better option by a mile? Resist up on tourist is cool but when’s the last time you used tourist? Jagando has no true form yet. Perhaps future true forms and talents will give us the units needed to even use these orbs…
One unit I could see benefitting from resist up orb is Haniwa. His effective stats, even at level 50, are underwhelming for a specialist meatshield. The orb could be a solid way to mitigate that fact, but I still feel like he would be outclassed by research combos + brainwashed eraser. Against behemoth traitless though he cooks.
Hot take: Courier ruined a chunk of the game, ESPECIALLY SoL and UL. Need a strategy? Just use courier. Having trouble on a difficult stage? Courier can do that for you.
Hot take 2: make more vigler variants thanks
I personally want Pixie variants, I think that's the only banner that doesn't have a variant at this point.
A Halloween Vigler would be cool though.
@@Surkk2960 shit thats true, I completely forgot that the Pixies don't have any variants. Kinda unfortunate ngl
make more husbandos
I beat idi and I think I have the validity to say courier made 90% of 4 star SOL So Easy, the only hard stages were Really late like heavens oasis.
the first hot take was literally true
I know im a bit late, but i do have 3 things
1: octo does not fuck over waves as most people believe(especially in the later game) that title fully deserves to units like Gneneko and *maybe* talented onmyoji or whatever its TF is called
2. Musashi as a unit is not bad (just look at HMS princess)
3. Most specialized ubers (excluding fest's) are of the same tier, if not worse than, legend rares of the same niche
yooo that's me
anyways, i agree with your opinion
now that i have almost all good ubers (aside from izanagi but that's a legend ofc), collecting using seed tracking is very fun
Aw man, I wonder why my hot take(s) didn't appear in the video. Could it be that I wrote down FIFTEEN OF THEM IN A GOOGLE DOC?
Why did I do this? ;-;
This comment was outclassed by sanzo
Hot Take:
Behemoth Culling in general is not as bad as people say, there are some units that certainly outrange/make courier cat not attack like the folivorean, the crab and rangmaster. The only thing they need to do is just to remove or at least make it so that you can play 3 times instead of once.
And the empress excavation stages aren't that bad either, they are certainly a great way to get some pretty strong cats (hitman, cactus, etc) and some stages can also be fun like the cumullus gallus' 1st stage.
5:10 That hot take is outclassed by sanzo
I had a giant reply chain about my hot take, and while i was a bit upset that it didn't make it in, it also makes sense as to why it didn't, ill do my best to sum it up here but apologies in advance
Cat machine is a very underrated tank and is better than kai in most aspects
Winged Piggie isn't that bad...R ost is the true worst thing to happen in sol.
I completely agree
@@Bombo_Cart Heaven's oasis is only hard due to r ost. I think procrastinator Parade is the most evil stories of legend stage.
@@Andy_ShunRed I was stuck on procrastinator parade for so long, but i think false resurrection is the hardest sol stage. I just did it in 4 crown and even with hitman and other power creep units the doge base is still so annoying and I always forget about the assassin bears
@@Bombo_Cart In my mind, false resurecction is more so fun than hard.
@@Andy_ShunRed I don’t find it fun at all lol
hot take if part 5 ever exists:
Ubers aren’t worth it if you don’t have all (or most) of the super rares and regular rares. Sure, they’re strong, but only in their niche, while rares and super rares can usually work in most environments.
I think people are too focused on crowd control and forget that a nuker or dps unit can kill enemies faster and that an enemy doesn’t need to be crowd controlled if it is dead.
I think Oni Landshaker Kozuchimaru is a great Angel/Traitless rusher, And i get its damage is only 22K at level 40 and around 66-72K against the target traits, and if you can time it against things such as R. Ost, Henry, Rain D. And Camelle, It can do incredible work even against higher mags, and its angel coverage is also quite good, being able to wipe both Gabriel AND HHippoe, And deal good damage against Sunfish Jones, Chickful A. Angelic gory, And in a similar case as R. Ost, Sleipnir, I think the people don’t like them much is because of its juggling weakness, but its first form is essentially an Anti-Traitless and Angel BTrain, And even in it’s current 2nd form, It have only about a 60 second cooldown
- Hot take, I guess. I think Ultralan Pasalan is underrated. Hit attack cycle and kit is just right to make enemy stays on their place without perma-slowing/perma-freezing the enemies. He's a super long ranged, consistent unit that can halt enemies (usually rushers; with 1 KB, specifically) from further pushes into the base without make the enemy pushes to much to the back (obviously with the help of other crowd control like slow debuffer). I uses him on Old Horn spam stages and Heavenly Tower 31, to make a few example. There's no other unit (afaik) with 100% knockback and 100% freeze other than Ultralan Pasalan (all traits except metal), Awakened Doron (only relic), and Ultima Galaxy Cosmo (angel & floating), and Ultralan have the best attack frequency among them. He's the most consistent unit for this niche.
- IDK if this is hot take or not but to make C grade orb and D grade orb having the same NP value upon exchanged is criminal. Raises it. Make C grade equal to 2 NP or something. I hope somebody can give a visual estimation if C grade orb raises to 2 NP (idk if B grade orb or above should be raised as well) and how it affect Ponos's sales like how player spend their energies/leadership, and how it affect gacha sales or something.
- I actually like Muu being the slowest unit with great stat in the game. I sometimes uses Muu so my unit is strong enough to defeat enemies but won't reach enemy's base before I upgrade my wallet to the max. Sure, it was a dang long battle but I win the stage. Usually happened on MegaMooth baron stages. I won't use this strat if my team is strong enough to defeat enemy without max wallet or rushes it but this is still viable if I don't have/not want to spend rich cat. Also great unit to have on battles near our base. I do hope Muu TF/UF/Talents at least will have base destroyer (and perhaps savage blow so higher chances to deal huge first damage to enemy's base) so the time it reach enemy's base its worth it. I hope there's at least one more uber rare unit with 1 speed lol.
- I agree that cat combo is somewhat under-appreciated. Not relevant most of the time but when it used, it's game changer. Makes the whole play different. Maybe it'll be cool if there's more end-game cat combo with UF as its needed unit, like L or XL ones. It definitely will encourage players to aim for dark cateyes more.
In my Opinion mizily is the most underrated pixie
I have 2 hot takes.
Babel is actually a good anti-floating and anti-red tanker, he's very underrated, cause some people doesn't watch his potential, just people using the "use Roe and Octopus to tank" statement is annoying. Yeah, he has a high cost and cooldown, but there tankers like Gamereon which he also has a long cooldown and a slightly high cost for a tanker and he's good. Both Legend and Uber that I mentioned are both mid-ranged tankers.
"X Is outclassed by Pizza" statement is very annoying, cause every anti-black nuker Uber that releases, people always compare them with Pizza Cat, which Is a Super Rare. Comparing a Uber with a Super Rare or Rare is not a good idea. I'm not saying that Pizza Cat is bad, but the point is that he's too good, which makes people say that "Pizza is better" statement which is tiring and cringey in my opinion.
when there's a unit that's more accessible (pizza cat), people are gonna compare to that unit. That's why massive damage against black cats are always compared to pizza, because he's the standard, and should be on par his level. That's why like wyvern gets compared to him, he's an uber right? And he's also a Collab unit. Thus he's more difficult to obtain and boost due to being uber compared to being a lower rarity and I'm his stat department he falls shorter than pizza cat. But someone like yukimura is still good due to fulfilling a different role than pizza cat being a rusher rather than a stackable offense
@@Azmie11 But just becuase a unit is accesible like Pizza Cat is good, it's not always better than a Massive Damage anti-black Uber, becuase it's basically not knowing the potential of an Uber. And Pizza Cat has his flaws, like his short range and has a slow speed, which many Massive Damage anti-black Ubers are faster than Pizza Cat, but you can Pizza Cat together than the anti-black Uber in question.
@@abraham-kun4144I agree with you to a certain extent, but Pizza having all the general traits you need to beat blacks (high damage and some sort of range mainly) so early on makes it so anti black ubers are way less desirable than something like anti alien or anti aku uber. People compare anti red ubers to Courier all the time. I see people devalue Gigavolta due to Seafarer's existence. When being an uber you have higher expectations thus you're compared to the best non uber picks of a certain trait. If you don't provide anything those units can't, then people will devalue you since there's way easier units to obtain.
@@abraham-kun4144the thing about pizza is role and enemy type. What you said is correct and that’s the reason why something like yuki is not outclassed by pizza, because they have different roles. But nuckers are a different thing apart, the range difference is not that important when they basically outrange the same enemies like the case with wyvern. I agree that completely overlooking a unit just because of pizza is not a very good argument(specially with some ranged black enemies like le noir or the black duck), but it’s not completely without a reason like with sanzo.
I did not think that my baby boy would show up, but hey, we gotta love Kintaro (I WANT THAT KINTARO ULTRA FORM!)
Hot take: Doctor is the best unit for cheesing relic stages, especially Zero Luza
Lucas the fourth clickbait is crazy
it’s not clickbait? lucas has a hot take mentioned in the video at 10:30 , or maybe I’m dumb and don’t fully know what clickbait means
I do love the saw cat take but the only way he is good mid game (after cotc) is if you use a epic seed, which can be used on much greater units. Still a good unit but sucks that it takes such an investment for a super rare that is underwhelming outside if his anti alien field
Dark phono is the BEST generalist in the game; he is extremely well rounded with good stats in every department excluding health (although his health is arguably not that bad for his role), and has the 3 most relevant immunities in late game (surge, curse and wave). Unlike Dasli and Phono, he doesn’t completely submit to certain enemies and effects (surge immune for Dasli and loris/traitless enemies for phono), making him a much more stable form of damage. As well as this, he can consistently crowd control the frontline and backline, bringing everything to a halt for a brief period. His mini-surges may not do a lot of damage, but it can extend his CC uptime, and the fact they deal less damage can actually end up being a good thing if you’re fighting an enemy like mega baa-baa who has high damage and surge reflect
Dphono is just kind of a jack of all trades unit which I guess makes him the best generalist in the game.
What puts him below Dasli, Izanagi and Phono for me is that Dphono has no particular thing that pushes him over the edge like Dasli or Izanagi (Dasli's juggling surge + curse and Izanagi's pierce).
He's a broken "honest" uber. (honest as in no particular trait he has that allows him to just dunk on certain stages and instead being fantastic nearly everywhere.)
Thanks, kid. See you on the flip side.
Hot take: crazed cat and eraser are bad stages because they don’t really show you what the unit is. You fight a super tanky and high damage boss, and you get a meatshield. I love manic island, because you fight an enemy that gets sent out often who has good stats, and that’s what you get.
Wait until this guy fights malevolent Mohawk
6:10 this is pure yapping he still is one of the best ubers in the game lmfao
People always get extremely heated when i say this: imo, izanagi is better than balrog.
Yes i know balrog has the highest dps in the game, but on units like balrog dps rarely matters. You count the value u get from a balrog by the number of hits u get off him, due to the short range. Because of that, i usually get wayy more value off of izanagi compared to balrog, even while considering balrog's cheaper cost and shorter cd. Balrog usually only get one or two meaningful hits and maybe a strengthen hit if lucky, due to his meatshield level range and single target. Izanagi on the other hand, has sustainable range as well as summon to keep him alive better, and multihit that hit further to mitigate single target and hit hit past peons. This leads him to landing like 10+ meaningful hits. Finally, the biggest reason why i think izanagi is better is that he can reach the backlines with balrog's strenthened dmg. This completely breaks at least 40% of stages in the game, and another 40% hes still op in just by killing frontliners. Only 20% if stages does izanagi actually struggle.
With that being said, i dont think balrog is bad at all, i think hes def top tier, just not as super versatile as ppl make him out to be. Ik he can pull off crazy stuff like solo kawano and melt frontline threats, but that stuff is very situational and i find a lot of stages he struggles at. Overall, balrog amd izanagi can both pull off super impressive stuff, but izanagi works in more stages.
Actually just spitting facts.
Izanagi is better than Balrog, but he still doesn't replace what Balrog offers.
Izanagi just deletes half of UL for you with minimal effort while Balrog requires you to dedicate half your lineup to make him almost as versatile as Izanagi.
Tbh Balrog's true strength lies in his dumb extremely short cooldown combined with the stats he has already (tbolt + wave/surge unit is often enough (commonly brought stuff) and he makes most advents and boss stages a joke). Izanagi cannot be stacked as a conjure unit, and not that that matters too much, his range still is well within firing range of alot of enemies and it isnt always easy to keep him around.
Izanagi is jacked af still, and I dont even like Balrog in particular, but that is just how I see it.
@@casualkris4806 I agree and as I said Izanagi does not put Balrog out of top 5 imo. He's just better due to his insane pierce and midrange allowing him to destroy any stage that isn't just backliner galore with no stepping stone. Izanagi can solo 3* Belated Priest with just him and Riceball which is a feat only shared by Dasli.
@@Flont40 wow the first person that agrees with me. That's exactly what im saying. Balrog pulls off crazy stuff tgat izanagi never could, but izanagi can also do crazy stuff tgat balrog never could, and hes more versatile overall
@@casualkris4806 there's a reason why i said 'sustainable range". He def gets outranged by a good deal of enemies, and hes nowhere near as safe do use as a 450+ range backliner, but his range is enough to keep him out of the 100-200 range death zone, and he can also tank enemies that outranges him. Balrog is right in that hell hole dps zone in the front lines, meaning its impossible to sustain him in most situations. Ur just gonna pray that he lasts long enough to land a good hit, and thats the extent of the value ur getting. Sure tbolt helps him last longer and wave/surges help him hit whats important, but izanagi needs none of that while also being sustainable.
Would it be reasonable to seed track if I still don’t have surfer cat I beat sol I still don’t
Hot take: Aervanta deserved better
Hot take: Legeluga is really underrated. He has similar speed, damage, range, HP, TBA and DPS like Lil valk, but people just use valk but not Legeluga. Very underrated unit I think.
hot take: hades is one of the best and most underrated early game ubers in the game:(Tldr: big short range wall with chip damage that destroyes early game) he has an insane around 450000 hp at level 30 tanking almost anything in early game along with 250 range which allows him to soak up damage from enemies kepping them to a halt. For context, rock cat has some where around 330000 hp. He also has a fair 7k dps which isn't good for tank at that range but it is still good to chip down and clear some peons. I've gotten many good early game ubers and even a legend rare but none of them affected my progression as much as hades. He's not goot to point where he breaks early game but is still a really powerful uber
Outside of rushing stages and ms sign strats, keeping Warlock and Pierre on their first form for the Base destroyer ability isn't worth it. If you can hold the enemy base in range for time enough for the attack, you would've won anyways.
People saying Sanzo outclasses Socrates is crazy cuz from my experience Socrates seems to out perform Sanzo in almost all aspects and it's not that close.
I think it's the fact Soc can't be stacked why people say he's outclassed... which is not a problem.
Socrates fucking sucks
oh hey thats me at 2:49
Hot take: True form Mecha bun isn't bad when you get him in UL. A majority of the relics in early UL are rather bulky with somewhat low damage aside from sir rel. His usefullness drops however after UL-12 Depths of my heart. He would need talents in order to be viable in the current relic meta, like more HP, faster speed, more damage etc.
Also, i prefer early ZL to early UL and early SOL, I liked that the game mixed things up after UL by not going for UL2 but instead more along the lines of early SOL with older advent bosses, cyclones, and monthly enemies. I wished post socrates the game would throw in the tier 2 advent bosses and the rest of the cylones and keep the sage subtype exclusive to bosses.
People aren't going to like this, they haven't before, but Manic Eraser is not the best meatshield, normal Eraser is. Two reasons: One normal Eraser is more tight, if he’s your only/main meatshield there aren't gaps for enemies to slip through. Two: once you have total level Eraser higher than Manic by around 20, the health difference is non-existent. Yes that can be a lot to have a total 50 level Eraser compared to a level 30 M. eraser, but the amount of XP to level M. Eraser is insane, when cat ticket farming is easy, (the things are given out like candy) and should be getting done anyway. Yes M. Eraser is good, but only a second best.
Id say the main reason why people prefer Manic Eraser is how it can more easily edge out a niche as many of the top meatshields like Ramen/Shigong/some others tend to be on the slower end. But I know both Erasers still manage to stay relevant throughout the whole game.
@casualkris4806 true, often I'll go with both to eventually have a more solid defense but also get there fast enough in the long term, I'm just sick of hearing people blind.y say M. Eraser, but you definitely make a good point.
Hot take cat god is good like REALLY good like being able to knock back anything pushing them to their base allowing your units to hit them with area attacks or kill their base and before you say it he doesn’t deal good damage so just don’t evolve him and use the gold fruit on Lassvos
Not so Hot take: mecha bun should've been so much better than he is now, the idea of having your own bun bun is so cool but he just sucks soooo bad
Lets hope the reward for completing ZL is SoL Unit Talents.
My hot take: Talented Dark Lazer and Dancer cat are on the level of Super Rares
Can somebody explain to me who C.A.T is?
Heavy Assault C.A.T. is Cats in a Box's true form
@@LordMarkiquad thanks I forgot who that was so I tried to look them up but it just showed me results for the regular cat
I think personally standam is harder than kawano (the last stage) as standam requires rng and skill, while kawano is pretty straightforward
Armored Firefly works best in cats of the cosmos he helped so much I thought he was going to be dog shit but he was a huge asset
lol the "catman is underrated" tweet is funny to me because by no means is he underrated. It's a good unit that has gotten praise from many people in the community lol. people just be sayin shit
meta slave mindset causes that
hot take behemoth culling stages are fun and couriee was needed
I completely agree with the first one
Hot Takes (That will never get in the video because I don't have Twitter)
Infernal Tower from Floor 41 - 46 is so unfun, a comment a few comment below mines said the same thing, it's a literal war zone, that level with the Wicked Cat is a literal torture device, the point of the towers are to test your skill, these are just the average infuriating UL levels.
Kasli > Dasli, the fact she can kb metals can invent some new metal stage cheese methods in the future, curse only works with relics, etc. And dasli is only good for her DPS, Kasli has less than this but she has an ability that can be used to some extent, and I swear, Mizli Syndrome gets deleted end game, it barely exists, cope, get over it.
I can probably eat these words in the future, but Sage Enemies are easy, no threat at all, yes Socrates is a hard boss, but the new LeMur can be easily trivialized and the new Dober can be demolished by C.A.T and Supercat if there's ever a 4-star, 1-star - 3-star are just Yukimura/Pizza Cat playgrounds, for me however, my beloved Keiji can surely deal with it🥰🥰🥰🥰
I just realized how potato king keeps sending money to battle cats creators like you, lucas and prob some other ones
During the endgame Farmboy cat can be better than Sanzo cat due to his 50% chance to slow angels for 4 seconds* [4.8 seconds with all anti angel treasures] compared to sanzo cat's 20% chance to slow angels with 4-4.8 seconds. Plus his 350 range,4kb and higher health makes him more likely to last longer but Farmboy cat does have his issues mainly he has single target and a longer cooldown than Sanzo cat
He is a fantastic Winged Pigge counter, that absolutely wins him the spot over Sanzo
Agreed, the St Dober matchup for Farmboy is insane, having a near guaranteed slow and having more range which allows for juliet cats to have a better chance at freezing St Dober (the most common way to deal with St Dober). Also outranging Winged Pigge is always nice.
The only stage where I'd say Sanzo's angel target is really good is Palcaccio Waters where the swarms of angelic gories alongside bores is too much for even Ramen to deal with.
What unit do you mean is fun sized Darktanyan?
hitman
@@UniversalPlanetGaming oh yeah tanks
Here’s a hot take: Empress Cat is one of the most relevant late game ubers
Idk if this is a hot take but the gap between wphono and dphono heavily exaggerated. wphono excels better at most trait targets except traitless in damage. However dphono is better in cases where crowd control or a higher hp unit is more valuable. There are many situations in 3 star UL where dphono tanks a hit where wphono does not on top of many situations where wphono's offence isn't enough by itself. Also with relic and aku not having treasures their damage is not that different in late UL stages. While wphono also has his own advantages like 100 extra range dphono is not at all significantly worse than it's uberfest counterpart and I would even argue they are both equal as someone who has them both at lvl 50.
I still love my darktanyan
Poseidon is the best? Someone just doesn't have Kalisa
Both are good generalists but Poseidon have higher stats and can deal much more damage (against anything that is not angels) than Kalisa
Hot take: courier is good
Co elest is a funny word thatk you for expanding my vocabulary
Dalsli is overrated, I never even use her as her blind spot is kinda big for her range and she really isn’t fun to use in end game like lasvoss or balrog
That's definitely a hot take considering most people consider her to be the best uber in the game.
@@Azmie11 she’s probably top 10 but definitely not 1st
Are you the real dalsli
@PolInKenexel she’s only good in early-mid game to carry people who aren’t good but when you do get good and have to do zero legends and starred uncanny legends units like balrog and dphono are so much better
@@eggbrainss no. please leave.
my hot take is that cat is the best cat
nuclear take: Necrodancer is better than sanzo
why slow the enemy when you can just stop them entirely
Because Ponos... Sort of ? Knows how strong freeze is (they still didnt learn with Bomber) and so Necro is mostly strong in numbers, but Sanzo already works even when you summon less of them unlike the slightly riskier to use Necro. So, whenever you can stack, Necro > Sanzo. But Sanzo is much more budget friendly (also targets angel and reliably hits groups, wave talent also only works reliably in groups)
Hot take. Zombies are worse than metal . Zombies are stronger and could borrow to base and heavenly tower and infernal tower zombies stage are hard because the boosted zombies doing more than 40k damage.l.
Hot take:Yamii underated
I use Yamii constantly for wave stages, its good, though I will opt for Octo for more Floating heavy stuff.
Witchy Neneko is technically better than Yam due to her deploy cost, but harder to get because she's seasonal.
imo courier is better than pai pai due to being able to be used on 4 star and consistent dps
Pai Pai is still a better counter to Prof A or Red EnerG though, reds that are still threatening and reds Courier struggle against.