Just wanted to point out two things about performance slow downs on the Mini. The more system RAM, the more efficiently it will handle large files. We knew this already. What's not always obvious is not using SWAP files. The second issue is, given the size of your raw video files, insuring you're not continually swapping RAM data to storage, 16 GB isn't enough. Also, using internal storage to hold large data files will deprive the system of space needed for swap files. Just a thought. I was using duel 400 Mhz CPU machines back in the late 90s for video editing. While everything has become faster and more spacious (drive wise) over the years, the methods used when everything was limited, can still be applied now, to avoid slowdowns and bottlenecks. Enjoyed the video.
This is an awesome explanation! It took me a while to understand this when it was explained to me.. I hope someone who might not be sure sees it.. I think this is why it’s so important people understand that getting “enough” RAM shouldn’t be so overlooked. Especially in machines that aren’t upgradable.
@@TheAppleHelpline dude get the dock with 2-4 nvm ssd bays for 8TB internal space. Combine with 32-64GB ram and prores you'll be blazing. Apple storage is a ripoff
As a die-hard PC editor, even I can't deny how powerful the new M series Mac products are. They're slowly filling up my studio. Just a whole new ballgame.
Whoa… THE Daniel Batal, here? How did you find me? Lol… It’s really cool to see a dedicated PC guy slowly being sucked to the dark si….. I mean trying Mac.. Apple really has done a great job with the Silicon integration on these machines..
I’m not a huge fan of the silly faces either.. but you have to be hyperbolic in order to attract the viewers eye. I am confused about the next comment. Are you implying my title is clickbait?
I upgraded my M2 Pro Mac Mini to 32GB and 1TB. The 32GB is for future requirements but the reason to increase to the 1TB was due to the speed improvement. The 512GB M2 only runs at 1/2 the speed of the 1TB config (2 channels compared to 1)
The speed at which the M2 Pro 512GB runs is plenty fast enough to do everything you need.. upgrading to the 1TB is also future proofing. Right now I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement with the storage upgrade because the machine is optimized to process things fast enough. However, in couple years when file sizes gets bigger, you’ll be glad you did the 1TB drive.
I just purchased the m2 pro mac mini with the 12 core cpu - 19 core gpu, 32gb ram and 1tb ssd. I will be mounting it under my desk and don’t care if it has a built in sdhc card reader. I already have card readers and multiple cameras with CF, SDHC, and CFexpress type B. In the end it’s seems it will be a little faster using photoshop and light room and a little slower running final cut pro, then the M1 max studio. We live in wonderful times and have great options of computing power.
That is the way to go!! I did a video that included external car reader options. I'm glad you are having a good experience with your programs.. It's a damn good spec you got
Good video. Finally someone test it in something more than “playback” and “rendering”. I just got the Mini M2 (not pro) and I upgraded it to 16bg ram. Oh my, it is really crappy. It’s constantly pausing with the pinwheel during my editing. Even though I only have to wait like 5 seconds for it to catch up, imagine that with every click, every time I add text, every adjustment to audio, every adjustment to color grade, etc. It really slows you down. I should have gotten the M2 Pro.
The fastest external drives have a Thunderbolt 4 interface with a newish NVMe drive. Find a bare casing with cooling fins, and choose the drive of your choice. They can be 4x to 8x faster than an SATA SSD. There is a Thunderbolt Hub that mimics the shape of the M1/2. It has space for NVMe's, 10g/s network, card reader, headphones etc: and uses up just one of your TB ports.
Just remember to get the RIGHT NVME storage else that TB4 interface on the external drive = useless! remember its 2 components you need to look for and those reading the comments may not know this.
I have those, but how do they help the swap file issue if you have limited system memory? Heck, I can run out of memory just having too many TH-cam videos paused.
I ordered the Mac Mini M2 Pro with 32 Gb of RAM and 2 Tb drive replacing my 10 year old iMac 27" which has the same amount of memory but 3 Tb Fusion Drive, I also read that the 512 Gb drive is slower than the bigger drives, is that true ? Can't wait to experience the difference in performance of these two machines, must be amazing.
I find for pro apps and multitasking the 16GB is not enough, but still very happy with the upgrade from an older i7 Intel. Had a Best Buy gift card for this purchase and they do not sell the upgrade RAM and SSD options.
Really.. With Apple in Best Buy they don’t do that? Hmmm… Annoying.. I certainly always try to recommend upgrading the Ram if the machine is going to be used like that for sure
mega BYTES per second. Internal Apple SSD are about 3000 MB/s, B=Bytes. Network is normally expressed in Mb/s . 7500 rpm disks are maxed at 120MB/s. external SSDs like 500 MB/s, some 1000 MB/s (next gen after the 500 ones), etc. network you'll see download speeds of 24Mb/s , 48, 100, 500, 1000, bits, not bytes
When we use the actual word, we could write "BYTES" in capitals and "bits" in small case. It might help remind others to associate the difference, to distinguish the value correctly when reading or writing the abbreviation
Great video, thank you. I’ve been trying to decide between a Mini Pro and Studio since my old 2016 MBP has been playing up and I’ve spent enough money getting it repaired. You video is refreshing after watching video after video regurgitating the same core speeds and single speeds and specs etc. I’m still leaning towards the Studio, but don’t think I’ll be disappointed whichever I go for.
Thank you for the kind words.. I have watched all those videos too.. and they can be helpful.. but after watching the 5th one I just wanted to see it in ACTUAL real applications.
@@TheAppleHelpline One thing I only just found out about is the noise of the Mac Studio’s fans (aside from the reported whining) and wondered how that compares to the Mini Pro? I’m quite sensitive to noise and was moments away from bidding on a Studio when it came to my attention.
We did the same thing and ended up with the Studio. Got the M2 Pro first and were disappointed in heavy, real world performance, especially video...yikes! The Studio is dead quiet in a critical listening environment and the reports of whining fans were the early models apparently. The M2 Pro at full load was definitely not quiet.
@@Featherlightstudio Oh no, I went with the Mini 🤣 I’m happy with it so far, most of my work is remoting into edit facilities and it’s been great so far. I’ll never need it for anything more than basic editing locally, so I’m confident it’ll do me. If I ever need more in the future I’ll trade it in for whatever is more suitable at the time. Thanks for the feedback though 👍
Think of it this way... several bits of food can make up one big bite of food. So, bits a part of a byte (8 bits = 1 byte). Hard drives are storage units with sizes calculated in quantities of bytes: megabytes, gigabytes... terrabytes. Just wanted to relate a bit of information. Hope I was not byting off more than I could chew by this explanation.
Most of us nowadays use external thunderbolt M.2 to store the footage and project due to the $$$ cost of internal storage and go really well. Is just a matter of set the workflow for that scenario.
I get it…. But I have tried numerous SD card adaptors and they are slow… clunky.. and end up in the way all the time.. I have one I still used from my M1 Mac mini and I always have to mess with it to have it read my SD card all the time.
God this stuff really gets my inner tech geek going. I wish I could afford the M2 Mac Studio, but I can't so I'm going to try to see if I can manage just the base model M2 Pro Mini. It'll be hard going down to 512 GB of storage though. I currently have 1TB on my current setup. If I can possibly afford it, I'm probably at least going to try to get that. I get that I can use an external but even so, I really like the simplicity of having the internal drive house the current project, while the externals are dedicated for the rest.
I want both! 🤣🤣.. I’ve been on this earth too long to expect nothing less.. on all seriousness if I didn’t hear rumors for almost 2 years I wouldn’t be so bent about it.. Don’t think just because you don’t agree with me that it’s a hater comment.. you asked an awesome question.. at the end of the day you are correct… the performance is most important
@@TheAppleHelpline my pro tower died last week. 12 cores, 3. Whatever ghz and a full load 64 gig of memory. Intel. That says it all. What I’ve learned since my iiSI is that you get the biggest processor and most memory you can, Apple is absolutely planned obsolescence and the minute you press submit on the order, it’s old. I just ordered the 2pro, upgraded the cores, full load memory, and 1tb. I’ve ordered the owc box, and have a 4tb Orange stick and a 20tb 7200 has drive for it. Overkill? I find that editing 4K in fcpx can yield 50 gig file sizes pretty quickly, so there’s no freakin way this box will support that without swap, and that’s slow.
@@TheAppleHelpline and I agree, I want it all, but the real pro is still an Intel, and full load is worth more than I paid for the lot this house sits on, -and- won’t last near as long. So in the cost benefit column, it’s a solid fail. Ha ha.
@@martymarl4602 This is my problem. EVERY year you can find another reason to wait till the next year. Be happy with what we have and consider that it's 5x faster than 5 years ago.
Oh I agree.. if I didn’t have the budget for the 4TB in the Max Studio I would have tried to get the fastest SSD, which probably would have been cheaper I would’ve had no issues editing
were you really working on 350gb files on the editing at same time?1 if so that little thing is a beast, I can't imagine working with a few gb files without experiencing struggles, but 350gb edit that's extreme for such little machine to handle at once. unless I mistaken the number.
Considering how hard it is to replace the NAND SSDs on the Mac motherboards, I would not spend the money on large internal storage, only to shorten the lifespan with huge read/write operations when editing video. 1TB internal storage is fine, add enough RAM to avoid Virtual Memory operations to//from the internal SSD, and go with external SSDs that comply with Thunderbolt 3/4. If your footage won't play back smoothly with the external SSDs, use proxy files.
If you go beyond the base/default storage on a Mac Mini, the internal read write speed doubles. That would mean that a Mac Mini M2 pro from 512GB to 1TB would got from 3000MB/s to 6000MB/s. And they say it's Bytes and not bits per seconds. But really, really great video.
@@TheAppleHelpline Will keep that in mind. So far I'm running off a cheap slow 300MB/s sata ssd. it gets the job done so far w/my editing. But I don't go beyond 1080. usu 720.
If you still have that thing I would love it if you could test an intense video editor effect like DaVinci Resolve magic mask People detector or something, I'm really interested to see if 16 GB of RAM and that chip is enough to do it
@@TheAppleHelpline thank you! I have my external drives formatted in that and just upgraded to the Mac mini Pro so I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something up. Thank you.
Soooo confused about the RAM right now! I currently have an iMac 27 inch - wanted the bigger screen - going blind!! - but although bought in 2019 it's a 2017 model, which I've just found out will NOT upgrade to Sonoma - aaagh. the problem I have is when I bought this model from Apple is was customized to 32GB RAM (Graphics are still 8GB) and now I NEED to upgrade and use my 27 inch Mac as the new monitor - so thought I would go with the Mac Mini M2Pro - BUT I really don't know if I need 32GB of RAM of if I could 'make do' with 16GB - like was it overkill in the first place. I'd love some advice before I make my decision - for reference, I work as a VA with multiple clients and EVERY DAY I have multiple Chrome Profiles open with multiple tabs open, and quite a lot of software installed. I also had an incident a few years back where I think I broke it, and the Apple repair center installed an additional 256GB of internal storage, however, my mac is always telling me I'm running out of room - probably because the 2x256GB's storage are not unified? (I don't know, that the 'word' I've been hearing on my quest. If anyone can give me some advise I'd appreciate it, this is the best video I've found that relates to working with multiple tabs open, but it raised the question of whether 512GB of internal memory would be enough now - so now I have two conundrums! Thanks for reading. Appreciate the community.
I am trying to decide between the Mini M2 Pro souped-up to 32 GB ram and 2 TB of storage and the M1 Max Studio equipped similarly. I have always edited video on the internal drive while accessing my media files from an external drive. My exported files can either go on the internal drive or can be transferred to the external drive. Do you edit this way or do you have your media files on the internal drive. I'm a little confused about all these external storage suggestions instead of a larger internal drive. Thanks for the video.
I got the 4TB internal on the Mac Studio so I didn’t have to worry about external drives.. the Read/Write speeds are around 6,000 MBs. But I paid through the nose. I should have gotten 2TB internal and spent the money to really beef up the external drive and edit off of that. The external speeds are plenty fast enough for what I’m doing. If you are doing heavy editing and other process intensive things for work? Or to build a business then go with the Studio. If it’s more for a side gig or hobby I think the spec bumped M2 Pro Mac Mini would be great. I hope this helps.. any other questions ask away!
question:it said that M2 Pro Mac mic supported 3 display simultaneously. are the extra two can be done thru just one thunderbolt output or you need to use two of the thunderbolt outputs?
Coppola and Lucas would probably say that the content is more important than the tools. I can't imagine that this video had more views because of the raw recording format, color correction or transitions. You can be even more successful with a smartphone and any computer, as long as you have a good idea.
My buddy Danny Winget who does videos too started out only using cell phones.. When he would shoot outside he would only shoot at the same time every day for the best lighting.. He's one of the best at using a phone.. I could probably get away with using my iPhone if I spent time getting the lighting setup correctly. We get lazy using DSLR and Mirrorless cameras that allow for imperfect lighting... I still suck at getting the lighting setup properly. I move stuff around too much. This video blew up because the M2 Mac mini is a hot topic and the combo of the thumb and the title really appealed to people and the Algorithm. Great comment... I appreciate you taking the time to leave one...
The style or aesthetic of any production would involve a conscious choice to match the production values to what is being expressed or presented. It may be that crappy cel phone video may contribute the best effect to match the content or expression. Think "The Blair Witch Project" or "Cloverfield". This is technical video about video editing. I imagine having colours corrected etc makes the presenter look more competent and trust worthy.
Really need a NAS system if you are dealing with that many files. I think something like a PC running TrueNAS with around 6 x 6TB drives in RAID10 (RAID1 x 2 x 3 in ZFS) and like 32 or 64 GB of RAM would work well for you. Nice video, but it should be possible to build a decent system to work off of on your network so you're not constantly bound by storage space. Reply if you have any questions on how to get started - note that TrueNAS is the system LTT use for much of their storage.
Thanks! I do have a Synology NAS.. I store all my finished projects on it. It came with 2- 4TB drives.. I bought another 12TB and 16TB… it’s holding up really well. I will get larger storage and take out the 4’s eventually
@@TheAppleHelpline Awesome hope it works well for you. If you ever get to the point when you want to edit from the shared storage directly, an SMB share from TrueNAS with a 10 GbE NIC should pass through to a Thunderbolt cable so it is very usable. Should work without a switch in between - just set a second network with static IPs. I saw later in the video it seemed like your USB flash drive had a formatting issue, so definitely the cheaper option if the active vs archival workflow works for you. Keep up the good content!
@@TheAppleHelpline is it easily compatible with iPhone footage ? I currently use filmora and I’m not too excited about it. Very limiting on sound effects, music, transitions and special effects. But it’s the only one I’ve found that can easily import from iPhoto
I think apple will change platform again, they re on M2 and 100 billion transistors. Do you think its simple to add cores like candy?.bte the M1 chip expert left apple and they cant replace him still
Thanks for the video. Useful to me. Crazy to use a slow usb3.2 when you could get a 2tb/TB3 for $300 total - 1800 W/2600R. Still slower than internal but way faster than usb3
LOL… nobody even close to using 8K.. and people who are using the Mac Mini might be doing 4K… I sometimes just use 1080 and no one even notices…. Most people who watch are on their phones a data so it’s basically 720 at that point… 8TB is way too expensive for a Mac Mini
Megabytes. It's almost always megabytes. I blame game consoles of the 80s and 90s for this problem many have. Those of us who worked and gamed exclusively on computers don't tend to use "-bits". Anyway, good video though different from what I was expecting. Thanks for sharing.
Should I sell my 2017 imac pro 3.20ghz, radeon 64-16gb & 64GB ram, and buy a mac mini m2 pro? Really unsure if I'm making the right choice. Only thinking about swapping to the mac mini as I just wanted a newer computer. Please help me out with this decision. Everybody's opinions are welcome 🙂
The question you need to really ask is, does your current machine let you do what you need to do? What do you use your computer for? For me i knew it was time to upgrade my 2015 27” iMac when editing a video my machine would start stuttering and freeze up for a few seconds.. I couldn’t keep working like that.
@@TheAppleHelpline I mainly use it for graphic design using Adobe and affinity applications. I use screenflow to record my screen in 4k for teaching online courses and edit in final cut pro. I've never had any issues regarding stuttering or freezing, and i generally love my imac pro. I'm just very much on the fence about sticking with my Intel Mac or trying the apple M chips. As my imac pro has pretty high specs, I'm not sure if the mac mini m2 pro will be much of a performance boost as I can't really find any comparison video's. In the back of my mind I'm just thinking that because it's now six years old, maybe I should upgrade it. Yet at the same time, I probably don't need too. I really enjoyed your video and it's kind of got me edging towards the mac mini. I Just need to find a decent monitor that works well with the apple scaling issue some people have. Keep up the great content 👍
I say if you are happy with your current machine then wait as long as you can for the newest or best option at that time. What I mean by best option is maybe when the next Mac Mini comes out the current gen might be perfect for what you need and you can save a few bucks that might be used to change the setup for a bigger monitor? Wait another year or so to see what else Apple is planning for the next generation of the M chips... M3? Maybe something else? I think you are just having FOMO... LOL... I am already having it with the non existent Mac Pro... I have no idea what Apple is planning but in my pea brained mind I am pondering a Shell with the basics and then you add your choice of M chip whether it's a Max, Ultra or some new chip that allows lets you pick and choose what CPU and GPU specs you need. Along with replaceable SSD and Memory.. I have no idea.. When i read some of the stories from people thinking the Mac Studio is going to b e discontinued because of the Mac Pro I get annoyed .. Apple will never offer a Mac Pro for less then 5,000-6,000 bucks... But I go back to my stupid theory and think maybe that's how Apple lowers the Price.. Either way for me this Mac Studio is staying around for a while. I spent 6,000 on this and I am going to make it work till it doesn't.. LOL ..
@@TheAppleHelpline thank you for taking the time to reply, and i think you're completely right. I'm more than happy with the performance of my imac, and i think I just need to use my common sense and keep it. I already have the 5k display on my imac, 64GB of ram and 1TB SSD. I like the idea of swapping it for the Mac mini m2 pro, but if I do I'm losing 48GB of ram and half of the SSD memory I currently have. I think I'll hold out another year like you suggested as I'm just trying to replace something that is more than adequate for what I need it for. However, if the mac studio was within my budget I'd definitely swap it lol.
Great video review! If you could start from scratch, what monitors, external ssd, I/O port, and version/configuration of an apple computer would you recommend? Again, great video review!
@@TheAppleHelpline I would say that I would prefer to keep everything below 4000.00 and I would like to use it for creating artwork and running a small home business (graphic arts).
@@TheAppleHelpline My Intel mini wound up with a ridiculous 256 GB drive (long story). I couldn’t make a full install on it, much less data, is why I asked. (It has a pretty basic install on the internal drive to use as a recovery disk, if needed, and for the few Apple didn’t bother to tell us that must be done from the internal drive. Needless to say the M2 Pro mini has a much larger internal drive, but I have been debating storing my photoshop images on an external drive to leave more space for page outs from the 16 GB unified RAM or possibly setting an external TB drive (M.2) as a scratch disk for PS. So far I have not run across a study, but I’ll have to do a search in the PS forums.
I have that... but when I'm talking about these options it's for those who don't need all that. They just need a machine to be online, pay bills, watch videos etc..I have a more advanced equipment. th-cam.com/video/-dFDzFtZS0Q/w-d-xo.html
@@TheAppleHelpline Im sure you do. So the M2 Pro would be more than enough for those people. Im running an i7 in a Macbook Pro with 16gb Ram & 1T SSD with. 34 in ultrawide LG. All does what I need & Im assuming a 16gb RAM M2 Pro would be much better.
It would blow your current setup out of the water… lol.. I still have a 2018 15” MacBook Pro. We use it for internet, yt videos, paying bills etc… I have taken it on the road for work trips.. I’ve even edited a video on it.. it was ok… I am actually looking to update it later this year or next..
If you are going to pick one up the one suggestion I would make is to max out the ram if you can. Yes, the configuration you listed will still perform a lot better then your current setup. But you since you can’t upgrade ram after the fact doing it now will future proof the machine. You might get a couple extra years out if it. If you don’t care about getting more years out of it because spending 400 now is out of your budget I totally understand and you’ll still be blown away by the performance. I just don’t want you feel like damn I should’ve spend the money on the RAM. In that other video I shared with you I was able to get that external ssd setup with 2TB of storage for 264 bucks. The speeds on that drive were 2,500 read/write. The speeds on a 1TB internal setup are 4,900 read/write. Yes faster but both are still able to perform the same tasks no issues. The other thing to remember is if you keep your files on the external drive the system will have an easier time doing tasks since the internal storage isn’t filled with files. Does that make sense? Let me know what you’re thinking and please ask if you have any questions. You’re not bothering me at all.
Who stores and edits off the internal drive?!……….. its all external with fast external drives, internal is for the OS and software only. Works great for me, not sure what you’re issue is.
Lots of people... LOL ... When would edit back in the day I didn't have plugins for color grading, audio, video add ons. I didn't save 150 GB worth of assets for the videos. I also wasn't educated in the storage game well enough. I was never one to get things too quickly.. LOL... I am learning that with the right external setup you don't need to waste money on more internal then you need. In fact many people don't know that.. I have a video ready for Friday talking about this. I hope it helps people to not make the same mistake I did.
Looks like you use iMovie like me. Can you tell me the specs of the Mac Studio you have? That’s what I’m thinking of getting. But now sure what config (cpu, gpu, memory, storage) I should get. Do you keep projects in the iMovie library on the Studio drive or offload some to an external drive?
I’m using Final Cut.. it’s similar to iMovie but has way more. My machine is the M1 Ultra 20 Core CPU/ 48 Core GPU. 128GB ram and 4TB of storage. Kinda overkill for TH-cam videos but I wanted a machine that lasted longer. I got the 4TB so I could keep the files on the internal drive. Move the initial Aroll and Broll to the FC library.The folder I call Clips for editing I leave in the folder and pull from it.
You mentioned that you reformatted your external SSD and that speeded it up dramatically. What file system did you have on it in the beginning and what file system did you have on it after you reformatted? My external SSD is slower than I expected so maybe I should reformat too. Thank you.
I have had a bunch of other editing projects on it.... and just deleted them. This time I had the video edit and the folder with my add ons for editing.After I formatted it I tested the speed and it was at 660 read and write. Then I put the exact edit project and extras file back on. I am guessing the constant deleting files caused something to corrupt the drive and it needed to be reformatted. I am lucky it worked and didn't wreck it permanently. I probably shortened it's life though..
@@TheAppleHelpline Thank you for the info. What I am asking though is what file system format you had when it was slow and what file system format you had after you reformatted. On Apple the choices for file system are APFS, HFS+, and exFAT. Originally did you format the SSD when you bought it or just used it out of the box? Typically external SSDs are formatted exFAT out of the box because it will work with MacOS and Windows. APFS and HFS+ only work on Macs. For Windows NTFS only works for Windows. APFS, HFS+, and NTFS are more robust and less prone to getting corrupted than exFAT. You are right that it is possible your drive had gotten corrupted so reformatting was a good, but very inconvenient thing to have to do.
And for now.... no compatible plugins or software yet (maybe only the latest Adobe versions or Apple's own software.... and later spend lots of money to upgrade all your third party software/plugins again... unless your okay using Rosetta. It's a drag... not even every software runs natively with the M1, and the M2 isn't even considered to get compatibility from software like Waves, Presonus, IK Multimedia... that could take months (yeah, I use it for music production mainly)
I don’t have one piece of software that didn’t work on the M2.. I use quite a few plugins as well as Cinema Grade and Color Finale….. I had a ton of issues when the M1 came out.. but nothing now…
@TheAppleHelpline thanks for replying, aj guess it really depends on the manufacturer. I'm using my Mac for music production with Studio One 6, that's no problem. But lots of plugins don't seem to work properly or even not at all with the M1 yet, or only in rosetta mode. I've sent out support tickets to 6 manufacturers, and 4 are not yet fully compatible. Or you'd have to upgrade and pay money for a newer M1 version. Another question, I've read somewhere that if a certain piece of software or plugin works on the M1, than it also should automatically work on the M2, because it's essentially the same CPU (both Apple silicon). Can you confirm?
512 GB storage? Crazy! Connect to your NAS. I have the Mac Studio M1 Pro with 4TB internal storage and a 24TB Pegasus32 R6. No-one wants to spend time shuffling projects around.
I agree with you.. that’s why I got the 4TB internal as well.. but sometimes the money is tight and cuts have to be made.. I have a video coming up soon about some pretty powerful external options.
Yup.. I was keeping this video basic and budget.. I have a video here were I went higher end. Thanks for commenting! th-cam.com/video/-dFDzFtZS0Q/w-d-xo.html
I think it´s a very bad idea to edit inside the non removable SSD of the Mac, at the end the life span of the drive only alows for a finite number of Terabytes Writen to the disk before it completely fails. For video editing it is always recommended to invest on an externa DAS or NAS it will be cheaper, it can sustain the required sequential reads to get fluid timeline editing experience, you have error protection in case of drive failure and it wont brick your expensive machine.
That’s the risk with any machine. That’s why I do automatic backups of my important files off the internal drive. I would hope everyone does that. With cloud based storage it’s the cheapest and easiest way to protect your self
@@TheAppleHelpline Not with every machine, if the drive fails in any PC workstation you just replace the internal drive and youre good to go... In a Mac the whole system is bricked. Cloud storage is not good enough for video editing. You need a fast NAS or DAS for that and is much cheaper than cloud storage.
Hello, this is my first time watching a video on your Your Tube channel. It appears that what, you are trying to say is having a M2 Pro "mac mini" with 2TB of internal storage for the way you edit, would have removed the need to use an external drive. Also, when doing so, your results between the M1 "Mac Studio" and the M2 Pro "mac mini" for exporting your final project would be about the same.
I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video and leave a comment. Yes, for the way I edit and convenience I would rather go internal. I should have been more clear. I also didn't want all people needed to get the most storage if they didn't need it, I would think having 128GB of memory and a better GPU on the Mac Studio would increase render times? Is that because it doesn't utilize the multiple cores?
I currently have a desktop that I hardly use. Its a HP 21.5 All-in-one Intel Celeron - 4GB memory - 128 GB SSD computer in white. Will one of these Mac minis work on my computer? Or should I consider going a different route to be able to use CapCut editing software smoothly.
I have been using computers since Win3.11......and the only constant is the more power you have the more you will push it's boundaries. A photoshop thumbnail will have very little impact on system performance, Chrome and Firefox are memory hogs. I am so tempted to get a 16gb base model, but for that price I can build and recycle parts for an Intel 12th gen......uuummm. Despite the marketing BS 16gb should be base entry level ram. 8gb won't cut it in future applications.
I use to build PC’s and it got to be such a pain in the ass chasing problems… What’s so nice about Apple is the machines just work.. I spend little to no time trying to figure out why something I upgraded internally wasn’t playing nice with something else.. Sure it’s less expensive I get that… but I’d rather pay more to NOT have to deal with the BS. You are 💯 correct about 8GB of memory. It’s really annoying Apple still offers that…
@@TheAppleHelpline yup, this is is why I use mainly Apple products now. I have to use a PC for a construction cost estimating software that isn’t available in its full form on iPad OS and does not currently exist on iOS.
For the ones looking for a solution: Easy answer: Hub Get a thunderbolt 4 hub, it is worth it. M2 mac mini Pro is good for photoshop not for video processing. For that chose a Mac Studio. Thank you for your work. Best regards
They are a great solution.. but can be too expensive.. that’s why I left it off… I have a video coming out soon talking about the more expensive options.. thank for sharing the info though.. I appreciate the kind words too!!
LOL.. I gotta agree with you on this… I threw up all over the script for this… I should’ve made 2 videos out of this and cut a bunch out of it.. Figures this one would be the video that gets more attention..
Why do people say "3 times less", which makes no sense if you pay attention. They should say, "1/3 the price" or "2/3 less". Or reverse the whole thing and say "the Mac Studio was three times the cost of the Mac mini".
🤷♂️… different people say different things… you’re right.. it’s grammatically correct… then again.. I’m not surprised we mess it up. My daughter’s class is actually working on Commonly confused words in English class… Words that sound alike but have different meanings and spellings…. 🤣🤣
I feel like a 300 gb video should be more like 3 hours long than 13 minutes. You might need to compensate instead of trying to have perfect 2160p since a lot of people watching on TH-cam don’t change their auto quality to anything higher than 1080p because it won’t load unless on Wi-Fi. I had to watch this video in 1080p on 5g full bars. 2160 looks fantastic but not practical
It's not the format I shot in that makes the file size so much bigger. I shoot in Raw, which allows for a much easier time correcting any video issues. I could probably shoot in 1080P and reduce the size. However, I also like to punch in a lot and the quality might be affected. I haven't tested it. Thanks for the feedback!
@@TheAppleHelpline yeah I use Logic Pro x which is rather cpu intensive. They work fine for me. I also do a bit of iMovie to put on TH-cam but they are also fine.
The M2 Pro Mini certainly matches it single core wise.. but if you’re going to do more heavy lifting where the multi core comes into play the Ultra will crush it
😅Whew! Thought I was the only one, with multi-tasking issues. I thought going from a 2018 16GB Core i7 MacBook Pro 13 with 256GB to a 2022 16GB M2 MacBook Air with 265G would be an upgrade… I thought so, until I went to edit my first video. Had 20 min of 4K iPhone video and two photos, nothing extra. Like you, while I’m editing, I like to have PowerPoint, Safari and Firefox open, looking things up, doing some things on social and creating my TH-cam Thumbnail as I go. OMG, this was the most painful edit of my entire life… it was sooooooo slow, laggy, draggy and I would have to stop to wait for it to catch up. Ugh! So, what do you think I did wrong, other than buying the MBA? Was it because I was editing, in both cases off of the same external drive (no slowdowns on the intel, however) or does the M2 need more Ram or was it the software running off of the 256GB. I am really… lost as to why the M2 didn’t perform better, using, of all things… iMovie.
LOL.... The videos I watched before buying the Mac Studio would drive me nuts... Running one program at a time. and telling me how awesome it was.. .Then the "load" tests that maxed out the processor telling me how much wattage it's using.. I DON'T CARE... its not like my electric bill will increase SO much I can never stress the machine. Like you was worried about the BEST performance the way I used it. I decided to get 128GB of memory... Overkill... probably... but I NEVER want to have it slow down... Not at least for the next few years. I thought about picking up a macbook air so I can sit upstairs where there is sunlight sometimes to edit. LOL The first thing I was doing was maxing out the RAM since it's non-upgradable. I think that was your first mistake, especially with all you're doing. I do have some questions... what kind of external drive were you using? How much of the 256GB internal storage is full? The thing with the M2 256 storage is the write speeds are actually slower than the M1 model because change the way it's configured. If you are maxing out the RAM to do work then the virtual memory will start taxing the internal drive and with the slower write speeds... well... Pinwheel of death... I know to pay $400 for 32GB Ram and another $200 for 1TB of storage might not be the amount you planned to spend.. it will allow you to do what you need to do, especially if it's paying the bills... Does this make sense? Oh on a side note.. This channel did a video th-cam.com/video/5rj5zRQe3rI/w-d-xo.html trying to run the entire OS off a fast external drive... and it ended up having some issues at max usage... Check it out.. It might be an option to try instead taking a loss selling the Macbook aIr to upgrade. You could always get the stuff from Amazon try it for 4 weeks and see if you can repeat your current issue
Great summary. Nobody likes the way Apple forces indirectly to upgrade. To be fair, everyone buys a mac for editing. Will probably wait for an M2 Mac Studio for editing music videos (lots of stuff going on there.) Cheers!
Thanks… the funny thing is Apple trying to market this machine as budget, then gives it enough power to blur the lines between the more expensive options and this. I hope they wait a little bit to update the Mac Studio… I know I’ll be itching to try the M2 version.. even though I shouldn’t.. lol… I am always fascinated seeing channels that edit music… it looks more complex then editing video.. thanks for commenting
@@TheAppleHelpline Every tech channel so far believes that a new Studio will take time. Dual encoders halfing the export time? That's what the M1 Studio combined with the better cooling body makes it an amazing machine for years to come. Yes, the lines are very blurry comparing the M2 Pro mini to the Mac Studio. Still, I would buy the Studio 🌝 HDMI 2.1 only really shines at gaming, due to variable frame rates. Video content doesn't really exceed 60 fps, so the HDMI 2.0 is future proof. Apple really plans confusion here 🤣
I'm in the same boat, I almost exclusively edit music video, and due to the multiple angle and stylised nature of it, I am ALWAYS struggling, particularly now we're in the days of ProRes 12-bit footage... I have hesitated on the Studio for the same reason as many, waiting on the M2 version to future proof my investment.
Have a suggestion when you talking about "M2 Base mac mini", please display it on the screen in text until the discussion on base mac mini is over. The subject is M2 Mac mini pro , sometimes in creates confusion when you say 8GB RAM even though you said on it. Request you to add it in text on the screen. Thanks for the review . Subscribed your channel😊 . Looking forward for more M2 mac mini videos or other tech videos. I ordered- regular M2 mac mini - 24 GB RAM, 512 GB storage 😊, still yet to be delivered. I am waiting.
Oh for sure I agree... I was editing this video all day and with the issues I had on storage and moving it I was very tired and got lazy adding text or broll... I will make sure to take the time to add those things... I appreciate the feedback...
Nice job...on a new account, too! I would strongly suggest changing your channel name and social. You may be building a brand name that will get you smacked down by the Apple dudes.I see you've secured the social for it, but I can tell you from experience, you're playing with fiery apples. I did get a bit thrown off on one thing. You're showing off M2 Pro Mac mini, but then recommend the M2 Mac mini (non-pro) with 24GB of ram, but haven't tried that machine on the same project? How did the 16GB do on your 9 minute project? Did you feel like you could have used the 32?
I have been thinking about taking the Apple name out and trying something else. My buddy has a channel named The Apple Circle and they are a pretty big channel. I might talk to him and ask his advice on the matter. He knows a lot more than I do. When I recommended the Non pro Mac Mini I was trying to appeal to the regular consumer who wouldn't be using to it to edit as a main focus. As far as the memory goes I recommended it IF you might do some heavy lifting like trying to edit photo's or do something that calls for more memory. The problem is you can't upgrade the memory after the fact so to get more years out of it add the memory now if you can afford it. You can always added external drives after the fact. I needed to explain that more clearly in the video... I need to do better.I appreciate the kind words and your support!
@@TheAppleHelpline This is getting into IP law a bit, so DISCLAIMER...this is not meant as legal advice, just some generic information. In short, if people click thinking they may be going to an actually Apple support site, it can be a ™ (likeliness of confusion) issue. On the more fun technical stuff...yes, I understand that storage and memory cannot be increased. I'm wondering if you felt that there was too much memory pressure at any point during editing? Did you see what was up in Activity viewer as things were rendering/exporting? I'm curious since you are working in Pro Res. Also, did you ever move the project to your internal Mac mini Pro drive? That 512MB is supposedly just under the speed of the upgraded drives, but it should be a HUGE, noticeable speed increase over the external. I was hoping to hear the comparison, but it's really interesting to hear how good the results were using the external storage as well. Since this video seems to be doing well, it would be interesting to see a follow-up where you move the project to the internal, delete renders, etc then render and export. I'm very interested in that new Mac mini Pro...32GB/1TB....but I'm under that Mac Studio option....and an M2 Mac Studio could show up any day! Ughhh! I'm on a MBP mid 2014 and still pulling off 4K short videos, so waiting a month or 2 is possible, but PAINFUL! 😂
It is but it’s not the end of world for most people.. For those that will push the machine a bit upgrading that or getting a reliable external drive is a must
I love Apple. Used them for 23 years but I'm disgusted by their price gouging. $600 for 1.5 TB storage and $400 for 16 GB of ram. You used to be able to upgrade yourself. I have an Intel Mac mini and iMac. I recently built a PC. A Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB cost $120 and 32 GB ram $100. $220 compared to $1000. Doesn't even make sense any more. If Apple keeps going this way I'm done. It makes the second hand products like the M1 worthless. You used to be able to pick up an older Mac and upgrade it to get a 3-5 more years out of it. I've seen M1 Mac mini's, a 256 GB and 8 GB ram selling for 300. And people don't want them. It's gonna kill the resale value on these things and bring down the value of machines with upgraded storage and ram. I hope they change but it doesn't look like it.
I agree.. the problem is the integration of the memory on the chip and the SSD’s being soldered. I’ve seen some videos of guys upgrading older M chip silicon. I haven’t watched the videos yet. I’m not sure how hard it is.. maybe I should look into it
I do have a Synology NAS.. right now I have 35 TB of storage.. I’ve used about 25TB.. I do go through and delete old FCP project files. I just keep the finished video.
IMHO You're going about your storage all wrong. If you want to keep your mac mini operating at it's full potential as long as possible you should be installing only your software on the OS hard drive. Everything else should be working off external hard drives. You're external.....It doesn't matter how fast the drive is if your connection is only 10gbs. That means you're really only going to get about 800mb/s real world read and write speeds. You need a thunderbolt enclosure if you want to realize the full speed of your external NVME drive. They can do around 5000mb/s. Storage...only software on the computer. Make sure you get whatever the lowest configuration of storage on the mac that dual channel for the faster read/write speeds. I think it's 1tb for the new mac m2's An external thunderbolt hard drive for current projects that is basically just always connected to your computer. These things are fast! A Raid 1 2 disk enclosure for archving your drives with slower 7200rpm media. I bought two 16tb for $250 each! Should last a while... Then NAS in RAID 5 for another backup and a way too access all your files remotely.
I’ve tried to edit off external drives in the past, which had the “best” read/write for the price, and while most edits are fine the ones that got really heavy I began to have issues. I never looked into picking up a Thunder l bolt enclosure. I do only keep software on my machine. When I edit a video I do have the project on the machine because I feel like it edits much smoother and the machine utilizes the processing much better. I do have a NAS with about 36TB where I store every project. My other totally irrational feeling is having a bunch of stuff plugged into the machine cluttering up the desk.. lol.. I appreciate the info and will def look into the thunderbolt drive as an option to save money instead of upgrading the storage from apple
While I still do have the Mac Mini I've gone to Alienware gaming PC with a Nvidia 3090 24GB GDDR6X GPU featuring 36 teraflops! After 17 years of using Apple products, I'm done forever with Apple.
Just wanted to point out two things about performance slow downs on the Mini. The more system RAM, the more efficiently it will handle large files. We knew this already. What's not always obvious is not using SWAP files. The second issue is, given the size of your raw video files, insuring you're not continually swapping RAM data to storage, 16 GB isn't enough. Also, using internal storage to hold large data files will deprive the system of space needed for swap files. Just a thought.
I was using duel 400 Mhz CPU machines back in the late 90s for video editing. While everything has become faster and more spacious (drive wise) over the years, the methods used when everything was limited, can still be applied now, to avoid slowdowns and bottlenecks.
Enjoyed the video.
This is an awesome explanation! It took me a while to understand this when it was explained to me.. I hope someone who might not be sure sees it.. I think this is why it’s so important people understand that getting “enough” RAM shouldn’t be so overlooked. Especially in machines that aren’t upgradable.
yup - it is not the problem that this person claims.
and that's why i just got a 64gb 2tb m2 max mb pro
@@TheAppleHelpline dude get the dock with 2-4 nvm ssd bays for 8TB internal space. Combine with 32-64GB ram and prores you'll be blazing. Apple storage is a ripoff
@@22phan what brand is that?
As a die-hard PC editor, even I can't deny how powerful the new M series Mac products are. They're slowly filling up my studio. Just a whole new ballgame.
Whoa… THE Daniel Batal, here? How did you find me? Lol…
It’s really cool to see a dedicated PC guy slowly being sucked to the dark si….. I mean trying Mac..
Apple really has done a great job with the Silicon integration on these machines..
I hate these facepalm thumbnails or titles suggesting a negative review to clickbait, they're the fake pranks of tech videos tbh.
I’m not a huge fan of the silly faces either.. but you have to be hyperbolic in order to attract the viewers eye.
I am confused about the next comment. Are you implying my title is clickbait?
I usually avoid videos with thumbnails like that. But.. you got me..
I upgraded my M2 Pro Mac Mini to 32GB and 1TB. The 32GB is for future requirements but the reason to increase to the 1TB was due to the speed improvement. The 512GB M2 only runs at 1/2 the speed of the 1TB config (2 channels compared to 1)
The speed at which the M2 Pro 512GB runs is plenty fast enough to do everything you need.. upgrading to the 1TB is also future proofing. Right now I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement with the storage upgrade because the machine is optimized to process things fast enough. However, in couple years when file sizes gets bigger, you’ll be glad you did the 1TB drive.
Same
I just purchased the m2 pro mac mini with the 12 core cpu - 19 core gpu, 32gb ram and 1tb ssd.
I will be mounting it under my desk and don’t care if it has a built in sdhc card reader. I already have card readers and multiple cameras with CF, SDHC, and CFexpress type B.
In the end it’s seems it will be a little faster using photoshop and light room and a little slower running final cut pro, then the M1 max studio.
We live in wonderful times and have great options of computing power.
That is the way to go!! I did a video that included external car reader options. I'm glad you are having a good experience with your programs.. It's a damn good spec you got
Good video. Finally someone test it in something more than “playback” and “rendering”. I just got the Mini M2 (not pro) and I upgraded it to 16bg ram. Oh my, it is really crappy. It’s constantly pausing with the pinwheel during my editing. Even though I only have to wait like 5 seconds for it to catch up, imagine that with every click, every time I add text, every adjustment to audio, every adjustment to color grade, etc. It really slows you down. I should have gotten the M2 Pro.
Really love how you present. Great video. I just bought the m2 mini pro. Only need for audio editing. So far so good.
That's awesome!! I'm glad you like it... It's a great machine
Totally agree. Audio production should feel effortless on these! Only worried about how it'll handle video now. Useful video
The fastest external drives have a Thunderbolt 4 interface with a newish NVMe drive. Find a bare casing with cooling fins, and choose the drive of your choice. They can be 4x to 8x faster than an SATA SSD. There is a Thunderbolt Hub that mimics the shape of the M1/2. It has space for NVMe's, 10g/s network, card reader, headphones etc: and uses up just one of your TB ports.
Oh for sure… I was trying to keep it on the cheap.. I actually have a video coming up soon taking about Thunderbolt 4 options like you talked about… 😉
Just remember to get the RIGHT NVME storage else that TB4 interface on the external drive = useless!
remember its 2 components you need to look for and those reading the comments may not know this.
I have those, but how do they help the swap file issue if you have limited system memory? Heck, I can run out of memory just having too many TH-cam videos paused.
I ordered the Mac Mini M2 Pro with 32 Gb of RAM and 2 Tb drive replacing my 10 year old iMac 27" which has the same amount of memory but 3 Tb Fusion Drive, I also read that the 512 Gb drive is slower than the bigger drives, is that true ? Can't wait to experience the difference in performance of these two machines, must be amazing.
It's a littler slower but most people would be more than fine... Let me know how it works for you
I find for pro apps and multitasking the 16GB is not enough, but still very happy with the upgrade from an older i7 Intel. Had a Best Buy gift card for this purchase and they do not sell the upgrade RAM and SSD options.
Really..
With Apple in Best Buy they don’t do that? Hmmm…
Annoying..
I certainly always try to recommend upgrading the Ram if the machine is going to be used like that for sure
I am in love with my new Mac mini. Incredible for the price 🤯
That is awesome!! What spec did you get and what do you use it for?
Thanks for leaving the comment!
mega BYTES per second. Internal Apple SSD are about 3000 MB/s, B=Bytes. Network is normally expressed in Mb/s . 7500 rpm disks are maxed at 120MB/s. external SSDs like 500 MB/s, some 1000 MB/s (next gen after the 500 ones), etc. network you'll see download speeds of 24Mb/s , 48, 100, 500, 1000, bits, not bytes
That’s a great explanation… thank you for taking the time to comment this! 🙏
@@TheAppleHelpline B=Bytes b=bit 1B=8bits
When we use the actual word, we could write "BYTES" in capitals and "bits" in small case. It might help remind others to associate the difference, to distinguish the value correctly when reading or writing the abbreviation
Samsung T9 external SSD is 2000 MB/s. Would recommend
Great video, thank you. I’ve been trying to decide between a Mini Pro and Studio since my old 2016 MBP has been playing up and I’ve spent enough money getting it repaired. You video is refreshing after watching video after video regurgitating the same core speeds and single speeds and specs etc. I’m still leaning towards the Studio, but don’t think I’ll be disappointed whichever I go for.
Thank you for the kind words.. I have watched all those videos too.. and they can be helpful.. but after watching the 5th one I just wanted to see it in ACTUAL real applications.
@@TheAppleHelpline One thing I only just found out about is the noise of the Mac Studio’s fans (aside from the reported whining) and wondered how that compares to the Mini Pro? I’m quite sensitive to noise and was moments away from bidding on a Studio when it came to my attention.
We did the same thing and ended up with the Studio. Got the M2 Pro first and were disappointed in heavy, real world performance, especially video...yikes! The Studio is dead quiet in a critical listening environment and the reports of whining fans were the early models apparently. The M2 Pro at full load was definitely not quiet.
@@Featherlightstudio Oh no, I went with the Mini 🤣 I’m happy with it so far, most of my work is remoting into edit facilities and it’s been great so far. I’ll never need it for anything more than basic editing locally, so I’m confident it’ll do me. If I ever need more in the future I’ll trade it in for whatever is more suitable at the time. Thanks for the feedback though 👍
Think of it this way... several bits of food can make up one big bite of food. So, bits a part of a byte (8 bits = 1 byte). Hard drives are storage units with sizes calculated in quantities of bytes: megabytes, gigabytes... terrabytes. Just wanted to relate a bit of information. Hope I was not byting off more than I could chew by this explanation.
That’s a cool way to remember it.. thanks for taking the time to help me out!
Most of us nowadays use external thunderbolt M.2 to store the footage and project due to the $$$ cost of internal storage and go really well. Is just a matter of set the workflow for that scenario.
I am learning that as time goes on... I did another video that's out covering the external NVMe M.2 ssd storage option..
Great review for video editors, thanks!
Thank you for watching the video and taking the time to comment!
I'm still editing multicam 6K video with no performance issues on the 1st gen M1.
That’s awesome!!! I’m glad it’s still rolling for you!
It's always amazing to me people care about an SD card slot. A USB SD card adapter costs almost nothing.
I get it…. But I have tried numerous SD card adaptors and they are slow… clunky.. and end up in the way all the time.. I have one I still used from my M1 Mac mini and I always have to mess with it to have it read my SD card all the time.
@@TheAppleHelpline yup - the "numerous SD card adaptors" will be that way.
Get one that is tested for speed - they are known which ones are fast.
God this stuff really gets my inner tech geek going.
I wish I could afford the M2 Mac Studio, but I can't so I'm going to try to see if I can manage just the base model M2 Pro Mini. It'll be hard going down to 512 GB of storage though. I currently have 1TB on my current setup. If I can possibly afford it, I'm probably at least going to try to get that. I get that I can use an external but even so, I really like the simplicity of having the internal drive house the current project, while the externals are dedicated for the rest.
You could always do an external drive setup. I use one now for most of my editing and it runs like a champ.
There are good and more affordable options for fast NVMe external drives, although the prices still need to come down.
Not a hater comment, but seriously, what’s more important, the shape of the case or the capabilities of the machine?
I want both! 🤣🤣.. I’ve been on this earth too long to expect nothing less..
on all seriousness if I didn’t hear rumors for almost 2 years I wouldn’t be so bent about it..
Don’t think just because you don’t agree with me that it’s a hater comment.. you asked an awesome question.. at the end of the day you are correct… the performance is most important
@@TheAppleHelpline my pro tower died last week. 12 cores, 3. Whatever ghz and a full load 64 gig of memory. Intel. That says it all. What I’ve learned since my iiSI is that you get the biggest processor and most memory you can, Apple is absolutely planned obsolescence and the minute you press submit on the order, it’s old. I just ordered the 2pro, upgraded the cores, full load memory, and 1tb. I’ve ordered the owc box, and have a 4tb Orange stick and a 20tb 7200 has drive for it.
Overkill? I find that editing 4K in fcpx can yield 50 gig file sizes pretty quickly, so there’s no freakin way this box will support that without swap, and that’s slow.
@@TheAppleHelpline and I agree, I want it all, but the real pro is still an Intel, and full load is worth more than I paid for the lot this house sits on, -and- won’t last near as long. So in the cost benefit column, it’s a solid fail. Ha ha.
I think the M3 will be it. The smaller the chip the more they can fit into the physical space, thus more cores.
I'm sure Apple will find a way to connect more chips together or stack them somehow... I don't foresee Apple stopping with updating Silicon chips..
M4, not M3.
@@nomadhedge M10, we can wait
@@martymarl4602 This is my problem. EVERY year you can find another reason to wait till the next year. Be happy with what we have and consider that it's 5x faster than 5 years ago.
"always wait for the next best thing around the corner!
I'd really love to hop on m2 pro mac mini but the outrageous price they ask for the biggest ssd upgrade is just crazy
Oh I agree.. if I didn’t have the budget for the 4TB in the Max Studio I would have tried to get the fastest SSD, which probably would have been cheaper I would’ve had no issues editing
Run an external thunderbolt RAID drive.
were you really working on 350gb files on the editing at same time?1 if so that little thing is a beast, I can't imagine working with a few gb files without experiencing struggles, but 350gb edit that's extreme for such little machine to handle at once. unless I mistaken the number.
You heard it correctly.. Since I shoot in 4K Raw the files can get pretty large... The machine is a beast and would probably work fine more most
MB/s.. also the 512g ssd only has a single SSD NAND module. Always get 1TB because the pair they instalL double the speed.
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Considering how hard it is to replace the NAND SSDs on the Mac motherboards, I would not spend the money on large internal storage, only to shorten the lifespan with huge read/write operations when editing video. 1TB internal storage is fine, add enough RAM to avoid Virtual Memory operations to//from the internal SSD, and go with external SSDs that comply with Thunderbolt 3/4. If your footage won't play back smoothly with the external SSDs, use proxy files.
If you go beyond the base/default storage on a Mac Mini, the internal read write speed doubles. That would mean that a Mac Mini M2 pro from 512GB to 1TB would got from 3000MB/s to 6000MB/s. And they say it's Bytes and not bits per seconds. But really, really great video.
That sounds about right! I am super happy I got the 4TB.. I probably would have been good with 2.. but I’m happy …
Thanks for the kind words!
The key point you made is that you reformatted your EXTERNAL drive right? and it ran 500x faster?
Yeah… something I should have been doing on the regular in the first place
@@TheAppleHelpline Will keep that in mind. So far I'm running off a cheap slow 300MB/s sata ssd. it gets the job done so far w/my editing. But I don't go beyond 1080. usu 720.
If you still have that thing I would love it if you could test an intense video editor effect like DaVinci Resolve magic mask People detector or something, I'm really interested to see if 16 GB of RAM and that chip is enough to do it
I wish I did... I think it should be good.. the folks at Blackmagic have been working with Apple for a while to make D.R. work with Mac OS..
Great video brother. What did you format your external drive to?
I just did it as APFS and it’s been fine
@@TheAppleHelpline thank you! I have my external drives formatted in that and just upgraded to the Mac mini Pro so I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something up. Thank you.
Messing*
In a crazy plot twist, if you spec out an M2 Pro Mac Mini to match a Base Studio it costs about the same. Mind blown.
Yeah, I am debating which one to get....
That is crazy… you’re right 🤯
What are you going to be using it for?
@@TheAppleHelpline Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Cubase, Photoshop :)
What about for Ableton ...? Definitely 32gbs
Soooo confused about the RAM right now! I currently have an iMac 27 inch - wanted the bigger screen - going blind!! - but although bought in 2019 it's a 2017 model, which I've just found out will NOT upgrade to Sonoma - aaagh. the problem I have is when I bought this model from Apple is was customized to 32GB RAM (Graphics are still 8GB) and now I NEED to upgrade and use my 27 inch Mac as the new monitor - so thought I would go with the Mac Mini M2Pro - BUT I really don't know if I need 32GB of RAM of if I could 'make do' with 16GB - like was it overkill in the first place. I'd love some advice before I make my decision - for reference, I work as a VA with multiple clients and EVERY DAY I have multiple Chrome Profiles open with multiple tabs open, and quite a lot of software installed. I also had an incident a few years back where I think I broke it, and the Apple repair center installed an additional 256GB of internal storage, however, my mac is always telling me I'm running out of room - probably because the 2x256GB's storage are not unified? (I don't know, that the 'word' I've been hearing on my quest. If anyone can give me some advise I'd appreciate it, this is the best video I've found that relates to working with multiple tabs open, but it raised the question of whether 512GB of internal memory would be enough now - so now I have two conundrums! Thanks for reading. Appreciate the community.
Btw the way…for your question about the RAM… 16 should be good for what you need it for…
What keyboard and pad do you use? I am thinking about a purchase of the M2 Pro. Thanks.
I actually have a video coming out on Tuesday that will cover that!!! Stay tuned!!
If I'm right, it doesn't cover the trackpad you're using, right? What is it?
I like this guy. Well done.
Thank you so much!!!
I am trying to decide between the Mini M2 Pro souped-up to 32 GB ram and 2 TB of storage and the M1 Max Studio equipped similarly. I have always edited video on the internal drive while accessing my media files from an external drive. My exported files can either go on the internal drive or can be transferred to the external drive. Do you edit this way or do you have your media files on the internal drive. I'm a little confused about all these external storage suggestions instead of a larger internal drive. Thanks for the video.
I got the 4TB internal on the Mac Studio so I didn’t have to worry about external drives.. the Read/Write speeds are around 6,000 MBs. But I paid through the nose. I should have gotten 2TB internal and spent the money to really beef up the external drive and edit off of that. The external speeds are plenty fast enough for what I’m doing. If you are doing heavy editing and other process intensive things for work? Or to build a business then go with the Studio. If it’s more for a side gig or hobby I think the spec bumped M2 Pro Mac Mini would be great. I hope this helps.. any other questions ask away!
@@TheAppleHelpline When "beefing up" external drive , what does that entail ? if I may ask
question:it said that M2 Pro Mac mic supported 3 display simultaneously. are the extra two can be done thru just one thunderbolt output or you need to use two of the thunderbolt outputs?
Coppola and Lucas would probably say that the content is more important than the tools. I can't imagine that this video had more views because of the raw recording format, color correction or transitions. You can be even more successful with a smartphone and any computer, as long as you have a good idea.
My buddy Danny Winget who does videos too started out only using cell phones.. When he would shoot outside he would only shoot at the same time every day for the best lighting.. He's one of the best at using a phone.. I could probably get away with using my iPhone if I spent time getting the lighting setup correctly. We get lazy using DSLR and Mirrorless cameras that allow for imperfect lighting... I still suck at getting the lighting setup properly. I move stuff around too much. This video blew up because the M2 Mac mini is a hot topic and the combo of the thumb and the title really appealed to people and the Algorithm. Great comment... I appreciate you taking the time to leave one...
The style or aesthetic of any production would involve a conscious choice to match the production values to what is being expressed or presented. It may be that crappy cel phone video may contribute the best effect to match the content or expression. Think "The Blair Witch Project" or "Cloverfield". This is technical video about video editing. I imagine having colours corrected etc makes the presenter look more competent and trust worthy.
Really need a NAS system if you are dealing with that many files. I think something like a PC running TrueNAS with around 6 x 6TB drives in RAID10 (RAID1 x 2 x 3 in ZFS) and like 32 or 64 GB of RAM would work well for you.
Nice video, but it should be possible to build a decent system to work off of on your network so you're not constantly bound by storage space.
Reply if you have any questions on how to get started - note that TrueNAS is the system LTT use for much of their storage.
Thanks! I do have a Synology NAS.. I store all my finished projects on it. It came with 2- 4TB drives.. I bought another 12TB and 16TB… it’s holding up really well. I will get larger storage and take out the 4’s eventually
@@TheAppleHelpline Awesome hope it works well for you. If you ever get to the point when you want to edit from the shared storage directly, an SMB share from TrueNAS with a 10 GbE NIC should pass through to a Thunderbolt cable so it is very usable. Should work without a switch in between - just set a second network with static IPs. I saw later in the video it seemed like your USB flash drive had a formatting issue, so definitely the cheaper option if the active vs archival workflow works for you. Keep up the good content!
What is your editing software?
Final Cut Pro.. it’s Mac only software.. I love it
@@TheAppleHelpline is it easily compatible with iPhone footage ? I currently use filmora and I’m not too excited about it. Very limiting on sound effects, music, transitions and special effects. But it’s the only one I’ve found that can easily import from iPhoto
Great video! Keep it going and let’s all drive those subscribers of yours up up up!
Thanks man!! I appreciate the support
how was the external hd formatted before and after, when it worked better?
ExFAT before and after.... I think it was corrupted with all the transfers. I never formatted it ,which could have been the problem.
I think apple will change platform again, they re on M2 and 100 billion transistors. Do you think its simple to add cores like candy?.bte the M1 chip expert left apple and they cant replace him still
It’s certainly going to be interesting what the next level is.. How much faster can it go? Lol
What brand/model are those mini speakers you're using?
I have a video coming on tomorrow that talks about my speakers!! It will be live at 8AM Friday morning
Thanks for the video. Useful to me. Crazy to use a slow usb3.2 when you could get a 2tb/TB3 for $300 total - 1800 W/2600R. Still slower than internal but way faster than usb3
I have a video coming out Friday that might help..
Just get the internal 8tb drive, everyone will soon be working in 16k video soon and youll probably need double that in a few years, till 32k arrives.
LOL… nobody even close to using 8K.. and people who are using the Mac Mini might be doing 4K… I sometimes just use 1080 and no one even notices…. Most people who watch are on their phones a data so it’s basically 720 at that point…
8TB is way too expensive for a Mac Mini
Thanks for video hi from Amsterdam
Very Cooll!!! Hope all is well in Amsterdam. Thanks for watching
Megabytes. It's almost always megabytes. I blame game consoles of the 80s and 90s for this problem many have. Those of us who worked and gamed exclusively on computers don't tend to use "-bits". Anyway, good video though different from what I was expecting. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the info!! It’s good to know I can blame my childhood gaming experience.. lol..
I appreciate the kind word!
Should I sell my 2017 imac pro 3.20ghz, radeon 64-16gb & 64GB ram, and buy a mac mini m2 pro? Really unsure if I'm making the right choice. Only thinking about swapping to the mac mini as I just wanted a newer computer. Please help me out with this decision. Everybody's opinions are welcome 🙂
The question you need to really ask is, does your current machine let you do what you need to do? What do you use your computer for? For me i knew it was time to upgrade my 2015 27” iMac when editing a video my machine would start stuttering and freeze up for a few seconds.. I couldn’t keep working like that.
@@TheAppleHelpline I mainly use it for graphic design using Adobe and affinity applications. I use screenflow to record my screen in 4k for teaching online courses and edit in final cut pro. I've never had any issues regarding stuttering or freezing, and i generally love my imac pro. I'm just very much on the fence about sticking with my Intel Mac or trying the apple M chips. As my imac pro has pretty high specs, I'm not sure if the mac mini m2 pro will be much of a performance boost as I can't really find any comparison video's. In the back of my mind I'm just thinking that because it's now six years old, maybe I should upgrade it. Yet at the same time, I probably don't need too. I really enjoyed your video and it's kind of got me edging towards the mac mini. I Just need to find a decent monitor that works well with the apple scaling issue some people have. Keep up the great content 👍
I say if you are happy with your current machine then wait as long as you can for the newest or best option at that time. What I mean by best option is maybe when the next Mac Mini comes out the current gen might be perfect for what you need and you can save a few bucks that might be used to change the setup for a bigger monitor? Wait another year or so to see what else Apple is planning for the next generation of the M chips... M3? Maybe something else?
I think you are just having FOMO... LOL... I am already having it with the non existent Mac Pro... I have no idea what Apple is planning but in my pea brained mind I am pondering a Shell with the basics and then you add your choice of M chip whether it's a Max, Ultra or some new chip that allows lets you pick and choose what CPU and GPU specs you need. Along with replaceable SSD and Memory.. I have no idea.. When i read some of the stories from people thinking the Mac Studio is going to b e discontinued because of the Mac Pro I get annoyed .. Apple will never offer a Mac Pro for less then 5,000-6,000 bucks... But I go back to my stupid theory and think maybe that's how Apple lowers the Price.. Either way for me this Mac Studio is staying around for a while. I spent 6,000 on this and I am going to make it work till it doesn't.. LOL ..
@@TheAppleHelpline thank you for taking the time to reply, and i think you're completely right. I'm more than happy with the performance of my imac, and i think I just need to use my common sense and keep it. I already have the 5k display on my imac, 64GB of ram and 1TB SSD. I like the idea of swapping it for the Mac mini m2 pro, but if I do I'm losing 48GB of ram and half of the SSD memory I currently have. I think I'll hold out another year like you suggested as I'm just trying to replace something that is more than adequate for what I need it for. However, if the mac studio was within my budget I'd definitely swap it lol.
I love my m2 Mac min I can edit films whilst rendering in blender. Amazing I got the base model
Blender can be pretty demanding. I’m glad you are getting great results!!
Great video review! If you could start from scratch, what monitors, external ssd, I/O port, and version/configuration of an apple computer would you recommend? Again, great video review!
Thank you for the kind words!!! Always appreciated..
How much you looking to spend? Also what would you be using the machine for the most?
@@TheAppleHelpline I would say that I would prefer to keep everything below 4000.00 and I would like to use it for creating artwork and running a small home business (graphic arts).
Are you booting from the external drive or using it as a scratch disk?
Booting MAC OS? I have that internally.. always.. I use to use an external as a scratch disk..to help keep my drive clear
@@TheAppleHelpline My Intel mini wound up with a ridiculous 256 GB drive (long story). I couldn’t make a full install on it, much less data, is why I asked. (It has a pretty basic install on the internal drive to use as a recovery disk, if needed, and for the few Apple didn’t bother to tell us that must be done from the internal drive. Needless to say the M2 Pro mini has a much larger internal drive, but I have been debating storing my photoshop images on an external drive to leave more space for page outs from the 16 GB unified RAM or possibly setting an external TB drive (M.2) as a scratch disk for PS. So far I have not run across a study, but I’ll have to do a search in the PS forums.
Why not set up a NAS, say Synology, via ethernet and keep all your files accessible ion one place?
I have that... but when I'm talking about these options it's for those who don't need all that. They just need a machine to be online, pay bills, watch videos etc..I have a more advanced equipment. th-cam.com/video/-dFDzFtZS0Q/w-d-xo.html
@@TheAppleHelpline Im sure you do. So the M2 Pro would be more than enough for those people. Im running an i7 in a Macbook Pro with 16gb Ram & 1T SSD with. 34 in ultrawide LG. All does what I need & Im assuming a 16gb RAM M2 Pro would be much better.
It would blow your current setup out of the water… lol.. I still have a 2018 15” MacBook Pro. We use it for internet, yt videos, paying bills etc… I have taken it on the road for work trips.. I’ve even edited a video on it.. it was ok… I am actually looking to update it later this year or next..
@@TheAppleHelpline Im doing everything on it. Like a desktop. Podcast, video, photos. You know.
If you are going to pick one up the one suggestion I would make is to max out the ram if you can. Yes, the configuration you listed will still perform a lot better then your current setup. But you since you can’t upgrade ram after the fact doing it now will future proof the machine. You might get a couple extra years out if it. If you don’t care about getting more years out of it because spending 400 now is out of your budget I totally understand and you’ll still be blown away by the performance. I just don’t want you feel like damn I should’ve spend the money on the RAM. In that other video I shared with you I was able to get that external ssd setup with 2TB of storage for 264 bucks. The speeds on that drive were 2,500 read/write. The speeds on a 1TB internal setup are 4,900 read/write. Yes faster but both are still able to perform the same tasks no issues. The other thing to remember is if you keep your files on the external drive the system will have an easier time doing tasks since the internal storage isn’t filled with files.
Does that make sense? Let me know what you’re thinking and please ask if you have any questions. You’re not bothering me at all.
Who stores and edits off the internal drive?!……….. its all external with fast external drives, internal is for the OS and software only. Works great for me, not sure what you’re issue is.
Lots of people... LOL ... When would edit back in the day I didn't have plugins for color grading, audio, video add ons. I didn't save 150 GB worth of assets for the videos. I also wasn't educated in the storage game well enough. I was never one to get things too quickly.. LOL... I am learning that with the right external setup you don't need to waste money on more internal then you need. In fact many people don't know that.. I have a video ready for Friday talking about this. I hope it helps people to not make the same mistake I did.
Which external drive do you use for edits?
Looks like you use iMovie like me. Can you tell me the specs of the Mac Studio you have? That’s what I’m thinking of getting. But now sure what config (cpu, gpu, memory, storage) I should get.
Do you keep projects in the iMovie library on the Studio drive or offload some to an external drive?
I’m using Final Cut.. it’s similar to iMovie but has way more. My machine is the M1 Ultra 20 Core CPU/ 48 Core GPU. 128GB ram and 4TB of storage. Kinda overkill for TH-cam videos but I wanted a machine that lasted longer.
I got the 4TB so I could keep the files on the internal drive. Move the initial Aroll and Broll to the FC library.The folder I call Clips for editing I leave in the folder and pull from it.
@@TheAppleHelpline oh. I thought you said you also have a Mac Studio.
I do.. this is the spec for the Mac Studio.. lol
@@TheAppleHelpline thanks
@@TheAppleHelpline do you think it’s worth waiting for the M2 Studio? I assume they are coming out this year.
Great video! One question… what’s that circular lamp in the while editing video?
It’s the Lume Cube edge LED light.. they are pretty cool… nice and bright too.. I have one on each side for streaming.
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I've generally loved my M1 Mac Mini but the one thing that pains me every day is the headphones jack on the back
LOL... On every desktop Mac I've owned.. I ended up running a 3.5mm jack under my desk to plug into... LOL
You mentioned that you reformatted your external SSD and that speeded it up dramatically. What file system did you have on it in the beginning and what file system did you have on it after you reformatted? My external SSD is slower than I expected so maybe I should reformat too. Thank you.
I have had a bunch of other editing projects on it.... and just deleted them. This time I had the video edit and the folder with my add ons for editing.After I formatted it I tested the speed and it was at 660 read and write. Then I put the exact edit project and extras file back on. I am guessing the constant deleting files caused something to corrupt the drive and it needed to be reformatted. I am lucky it worked and didn't wreck it permanently. I probably shortened it's life though..
@@TheAppleHelpline Thank you for the info. What I am asking though is what file system format you had when it was slow and what file system format you had after you reformatted. On Apple the choices for file system are APFS, HFS+, and exFAT. Originally did you format the SSD when you bought it or just used it out of the box? Typically external SSDs are formatted exFAT out of the box because it will work with MacOS and Windows. APFS and HFS+ only work on Macs. For Windows NTFS only works for Windows. APFS, HFS+, and NTFS are more robust and less prone to getting corrupted than exFAT.
You are right that it is possible your drive had gotten corrupted so reformatting was a good, but very inconvenient thing to have to do.
@@straydog-y5t ah ok.. it was formatted in exFAT..
@@techexamined When you reformatted what file system did you choose?
@@straydog-y5t I just used exFAT
And for now.... no compatible plugins or software yet (maybe only the latest Adobe versions or Apple's own software.... and later spend lots of money to upgrade all your third party software/plugins again... unless your okay using Rosetta. It's a drag... not even every software runs natively with the M1, and the M2 isn't even considered to get compatibility from software like Waves, Presonus, IK Multimedia... that could take months (yeah, I use it for music production mainly)
I don’t have one piece of software that didn’t work on the M2.. I use quite a few plugins as well as Cinema Grade and Color Finale….. I had a ton of issues when the M1 came out.. but nothing now…
@TheAppleHelpline thanks for replying, aj guess it really depends on the manufacturer. I'm using my Mac for music production with Studio One 6, that's no problem. But lots of plugins don't seem to work properly or even not at all with the M1 yet, or only in rosetta mode. I've sent out support tickets to 6 manufacturers, and 4 are not yet fully compatible. Or you'd have to upgrade and pay money for a newer M1 version. Another question, I've read somewhere that if a certain piece of software or plugin works on the M1, than it also should automatically work on the M2, because it's essentially the same CPU (both Apple silicon). Can you confirm?
512 GB storage? Crazy! Connect to your NAS. I have the Mac Studio M1 Pro with 4TB internal storage and a 24TB Pegasus32 R6. No-one wants to spend time shuffling projects around.
I agree with you.. that’s why I got the 4TB internal as well.. but sometimes the money is tight and cuts have to be made.. I have a video coming up soon about some pretty powerful external options.
I got the M1 Mac Mini with 16GB ram and 256GB SSD for only $760 refurbished in December last year before the M2 Mac Mini 2023 update.
That's a nice little machine... Of course with the PC you just mentioned I'm guessing this might not be used too much.. LOL
@@TheAppleHelpline Yeah just trying to sell it now. Stupid buy I made.
whats the music in the background?
At what part of the video? I change it throughout the video… I get my music from Epidemic Sound
If you get another one, just opt for the internal 512GB SSD and 10Gb Ethernet.
If you have the money I strongly suggest getting memory first and if you have enough left over get those..
@@TheAppleHelpline DONT get the 256GB SSD RAM for video work
Another option is to buy an external NMVe enclosure, then you buy cheaper NMVe SSD and easily upgrade.
Yup.. I was keeping this video basic and budget.. I have a video here were I went higher end. Thanks for commenting! th-cam.com/video/-dFDzFtZS0Q/w-d-xo.html
thxxxxx for this one!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Oh yeah, the famous "hand on my face, regret" thumbnail :D
HAHAHA.. it’s not pretty… but it worked on this video..
thanks for the reference to the SSD, on my amazon list it goes !
Sure thing!!! Samsung makes some really good SSD's too...
What speakers are you using?
I have a video coming out tomorrow morning and all your question will be answered.. 🤣🤣
For the size issue do you have a nas setup so you can keep the storage private but online for editing purposes?
I do have a NAS… but not everyone will put out that kind of money. I’m trying to think of those with a budget too..
I think it´s a very bad idea to edit inside the non removable SSD of the Mac, at the end the life span of the drive only alows for a finite number of Terabytes Writen to the disk before it completely fails. For video editing it is always recommended to invest on an externa DAS or NAS it will be cheaper, it can sustain the required sequential reads to get fluid timeline editing experience, you have error protection in case of drive failure and it wont brick your expensive machine.
That’s the risk with any machine. That’s why I do automatic backups of my important files off the internal drive. I would hope everyone does that. With cloud based storage it’s the cheapest and easiest way to protect your self
@@TheAppleHelpline Not with every machine, if the drive fails in any PC workstation you just replace the internal drive and youre good to go... In a Mac the whole system is bricked. Cloud storage is not good enough for video editing. You need a fast NAS or DAS for that and is much cheaper than cloud storage.
Hello, this is my first time watching a video on your Your Tube channel. It appears that what, you are trying to say is having a M2 Pro "mac mini" with 2TB of internal storage for the way you edit, would have removed the need to use an external drive. Also, when doing so, your results between the M1 "Mac Studio" and the M2 Pro "mac mini" for exporting your final project would be about the same.
I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video and leave a comment. Yes, for the way I edit and convenience I would rather go internal. I should have been more clear. I also didn't want all people needed to get the most storage if they didn't need it,
I would think having 128GB of memory and a better GPU on the Mac Studio would increase render times? Is that because it doesn't utilize the multiple cores?
Dude, I love you edit style lol. You're hilarious, and informative. Many thanks for a very helpful (and entertaining) video!
Thank you for the kind words!! I really appreciate it
I currently have a desktop that I hardly use. Its a HP 21.5 All-in-one Intel Celeron - 4GB memory - 128 GB SSD computer in white. Will one of these Mac minis work on my computer? Or should I consider going a different route to be able to use CapCut editing software smoothly.
Great video! Very underrated channel! subscribed...
Thank you so much!!! I appreciate the support!!
I have been using computers since Win3.11......and the only constant is the more power you have the more you will push it's boundaries. A photoshop thumbnail will have very little impact on system performance, Chrome and Firefox are memory hogs. I am so tempted to get a 16gb base model, but for that price I can build and recycle parts for an Intel 12th gen......uuummm. Despite the marketing BS 16gb should be base entry level ram. 8gb won't cut it in future applications.
I use to build PC’s and it got to be such a pain in the ass chasing problems… What’s so nice about Apple is the machines just work.. I spend little to no time trying to figure out why something I upgraded internally wasn’t playing nice with something else..
Sure it’s less expensive I get that… but I’d rather pay more to NOT have to deal with the BS.
You are 💯 correct about 8GB of memory. It’s really annoying Apple still offers that…
@@TheAppleHelpline yup, this is is why I use mainly Apple products now. I have to use a PC for a construction cost estimating software that isn’t available in its full form on iPad OS and does not currently exist on iOS.
For the ones looking for a solution:
Easy answer: Hub
Get a thunderbolt 4 hub, it is worth it.
M2 mac mini Pro is good for photoshop not for video processing. For that chose a Mac Studio.
Thank you for your work.
Best regards
They are a great solution.. but can be too expensive.. that’s why I left it off… I have a video coming out soon talking about the more expensive options.. thank for sharing the info though.. I appreciate the kind words too!!
The comment I needed, base model studio?
Frippery frippery frippery... Bro, the essence please!
LOL.. I gotta agree with you on this… I threw up all over the script for this… I should’ve made 2 videos out of this and cut a bunch out of it.. Figures this one would be the video that gets more attention..
Does the mac mini m2 16gb and 512gb work well with Da vinci resolve ?
Why do people say "3 times less", which makes no sense if you pay attention. They should say, "1/3 the price" or "2/3 less". Or reverse the whole thing and say "the Mac Studio was three times the cost of the Mac mini".
🤷♂️… different people say different things… you’re right.. it’s grammatically correct… then again.. I’m not surprised we mess it up. My daughter’s class is actually working on Commonly confused words in English class… Words that sound alike but have different meanings and spellings…. 🤣🤣
I feel like a 300 gb video should be more like 3 hours long than 13 minutes. You might need to compensate instead of trying to have perfect 2160p since a lot of people watching on TH-cam don’t change their auto quality to anything higher than 1080p because it won’t load unless on Wi-Fi. I had to watch this video in 1080p on 5g full bars. 2160 looks fantastic but not practical
It's not the format I shot in that makes the file size so much bigger. I shoot in Raw, which allows for a much easier time correcting any video issues. I could probably shoot in 1080P and reduce the size. However, I also like to punch in a lot and the quality might be affected. I haven't tested it. Thanks for the feedback!
Dont loose your energy.... send it to me😂
Does anyone know what he is using as a trackpad?
It's the Apple Trackpad 2.. I have a skin on it...
I am waiting for the M2-
HUNDRED!!!!!
LOL.... You must be very patient... LOL
As a music guy my self it’s not issue but I get your message.
Thanks man… do you edit music?
@@TheAppleHelpline yeah I use Logic Pro x which is rather cpu intensive. They work fine for me. I also do a bit of iMovie to put on TH-cam but they are also fine.
Great video….I was thinking about the m1 ultra studio vs m2 mini pro.
The M2 Pro Mini certainly matches it single core wise.. but if you’re going to do more heavy lifting where the multi core comes into play the Ultra will crush it
Thirteen minutes to hear 330 GB of raw video doesn’t fit as well on a 512 GB system drive.
This video was all over the place.. I apologize for that.. not my best work.. I could have done 2-3 videos out of this..
I love this video. Your my kind of talker😅❤📝😃
😅Whew! Thought I was the only one, with multi-tasking issues. I thought going from a 2018 16GB Core i7 MacBook Pro 13 with 256GB to a 2022 16GB M2 MacBook Air with 265G would be an upgrade… I thought so, until I went to edit my first video. Had 20 min of 4K iPhone video and two photos, nothing extra. Like you, while I’m editing, I like to have PowerPoint, Safari and Firefox open, looking things up, doing some things on social and creating my TH-cam Thumbnail as I go. OMG, this was the most painful edit of my entire life… it was sooooooo slow, laggy, draggy and I would have to stop to wait for it to catch up. Ugh! So, what do you think I did wrong, other than buying the MBA? Was it because I was editing, in both cases off of the same external drive (no slowdowns on the intel, however) or does the M2 need more Ram or was it the software running off of the 256GB. I am really… lost as to why the M2 didn’t perform better, using, of all things… iMovie.
LOL.... The videos I watched before buying the Mac Studio would drive me nuts... Running one program at a time. and telling me how awesome it was.. .Then the "load" tests that maxed out the processor telling me how much wattage it's using.. I DON'T CARE... its not like my electric bill will increase SO much I can never stress the machine. Like you was worried about the BEST performance the way I used it. I decided to get 128GB of memory... Overkill... probably... but I NEVER want to have it slow down... Not at least for the next few years. I thought about picking up a macbook air so I can sit upstairs where there is sunlight sometimes to edit. LOL The first thing I was doing was maxing out the RAM since it's non-upgradable. I think that was your first mistake, especially with all you're doing. I do have some questions... what kind of external drive were you using? How much of the 256GB internal storage is full? The thing with the M2 256 storage is the write speeds are actually slower than the M1 model because change the way it's configured. If you are maxing out the RAM to do work then the virtual memory will start taxing the internal drive and with the slower write speeds... well... Pinwheel of death... I know to pay $400 for 32GB Ram and another $200 for 1TB of storage might not be the amount you planned to spend.. it will allow you to do what you need to do, especially if it's paying the bills... Does this make sense? Oh on a side note.. This channel did a video th-cam.com/video/5rj5zRQe3rI/w-d-xo.html trying to run the entire OS off a fast external drive... and it ended up having some issues at max usage... Check it out.. It might be an option to try instead taking a loss selling the Macbook aIr to upgrade. You could always get the stuff from Amazon try it for 4 weeks and see if you can repeat your current issue
Great summary. Nobody likes the way Apple forces indirectly to upgrade. To be fair, everyone buys a mac for editing. Will probably wait for an M2 Mac Studio for editing music videos (lots of stuff going on there.) Cheers!
Thanks… the funny thing is Apple trying to market this machine as budget, then gives it enough power to blur the lines between the more expensive options and this. I hope they wait a little bit to update the Mac Studio… I know I’ll be itching to try the M2 version.. even though I shouldn’t.. lol… I am always fascinated seeing channels that edit music… it looks more complex then editing video..
thanks for commenting
@@TheAppleHelpline Every tech channel so far believes that a new Studio will take time. Dual encoders halfing the export time? That's what the M1 Studio combined with the better cooling body makes it an amazing machine for years to come. Yes, the lines are very blurry comparing the M2 Pro mini to the Mac Studio. Still, I would buy the Studio 🌝 HDMI 2.1 only really shines at gaming, due to variable frame rates. Video content doesn't really exceed 60 fps, so the HDMI 2.0 is future proof. Apple really plans confusion here 🤣
I'm in the same boat, I almost exclusively edit music video, and due to the multiple angle and stylised nature of it, I am ALWAYS struggling, particularly now we're in the days of ProRes 12-bit footage... I have hesitated on the Studio for the same reason as many, waiting on the M2 version to future proof my investment.
Well.. Apple certainly knows how to complicate some things…
If you are able to wait I hope Apple makes a marked improvement over the M1 Ultra.. that will be something you can definitely buy for long term use..
Have a suggestion when you talking about "M2 Base mac mini", please display it on the screen in text until the discussion on base mac mini is over.
The subject is M2 Mac mini pro , sometimes in creates confusion when you say 8GB RAM even though you said on it. Request you to add it in text on the screen.
Thanks for the review .
Subscribed your channel😊 . Looking forward for more M2 mac mini videos or other tech videos.
I ordered- regular M2 mac mini - 24 GB RAM, 512 GB storage 😊, still yet to be delivered. I am waiting.
Oh for sure I agree... I was editing this video all day and with the issues I had on storage and moving it I was very tired and got lazy adding text or broll... I will make sure to take the time to add those things... I appreciate the feedback...
Good suggestion for clarification.
@@TheAppleHelpline Thank you 😊
@@hawkname1234 Thank you 😊
Nice job...on a new account, too! I would strongly suggest changing your channel name and social. You may be building a brand name that will get you smacked down by the Apple dudes.I see you've secured the social for it, but I can tell you from experience, you're playing with fiery apples.
I did get a bit thrown off on one thing. You're showing off M2 Pro Mac mini, but then recommend the M2 Mac mini (non-pro) with 24GB of ram, but haven't tried that machine on the same project? How did the 16GB do on your 9 minute project? Did you feel like you could have used the 32?
I have been thinking about taking the Apple name out and trying something else. My buddy has a channel named The Apple Circle and they are a pretty big channel. I might talk to him and ask his advice on the matter. He knows a lot more than I do.
When I recommended the Non pro Mac Mini I was trying to appeal to the regular consumer who wouldn't be using to it to edit as a main focus. As far as the memory goes I recommended it IF you might do some heavy lifting like trying to edit photo's or do something that calls for more memory. The problem is you can't upgrade the memory after the fact so to get more years out of it add the memory now if you can afford it. You can always added external drives after the fact. I needed to explain that more clearly in the video... I need to do better.I appreciate the kind words and your support!
@@TheAppleHelpline This is getting into IP law a bit, so DISCLAIMER...this is not meant as legal advice, just some generic information. In short, if people click thinking they may be going to an actually Apple support site, it can be a ™ (likeliness of confusion) issue.
On the more fun technical stuff...yes, I understand that storage and memory cannot be increased. I'm wondering if you felt that there was too much memory pressure at any point during editing? Did you see what was up in Activity viewer as things were rendering/exporting? I'm curious since you are working in Pro Res. Also, did you ever move the project to your internal Mac mini Pro drive? That 512MB is supposedly just under the speed of the upgraded drives, but it should be a HUGE, noticeable speed increase over the external. I was hoping to hear the comparison, but it's really interesting to hear how good the results were using the external storage as well. Since this video seems to be doing well, it would be interesting to see a follow-up where you move the project to the internal, delete renders, etc then render and export.
I'm very interested in that new Mac mini Pro...32GB/1TB....but I'm under that Mac Studio option....and an M2 Mac Studio could show up any day! Ughhh! I'm on a MBP mid 2014 and still pulling off 4K short videos, so waiting a month or 2 is possible, but PAINFUL! 😂
Now I know a SHITLOAD on your workflow, and the exact same I did before about the mac mini...
Cool... What are you using now?
Well what I have seen is the base $599 SSD is slower then the M1
It is but it’s not the end of world for most people..
For those that will push the machine a bit upgrading that or getting a reliable external drive is a must
Soon be able to do it all on your phone in the future.
I can barely edit on a 15” screen on a laptop.. I don’t think I could edit a video on a phone.. lol..
bits is lower case b, Bytes is upper case B
Got it! Thanks!
I love Apple. Used them for 23 years but I'm disgusted by their price gouging. $600 for 1.5 TB storage and $400 for 16 GB of ram. You used to be able to upgrade yourself. I have an Intel Mac mini and iMac. I recently built a PC. A Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB cost $120 and 32 GB ram $100. $220 compared to $1000. Doesn't even make sense any more. If Apple keeps going this way I'm done. It makes the second hand products like the M1 worthless. You used to be able to pick up an older Mac and upgrade it to get a 3-5 more years out of it. I've seen M1 Mac mini's, a 256 GB and 8 GB ram selling for 300. And people don't want them. It's gonna kill the resale value on these things and bring down the value of machines with upgraded storage and ram. I hope they change but it doesn't look like it.
I agree.. the problem is the integration of the memory on the chip and the SSD’s being soldered. I’ve seen some videos of guys upgrading older M chip silicon. I haven’t watched the videos yet. I’m not sure how hard it is.. maybe I should look into it
Fantastic just what I needed to know. Thank you so much.!
I’m really glad this could help! Be sure to check out my newer video on which Mac Mini to buy. I go through a number of options
Don’t get the base model, they cut down the cost because the SSD is very slow.
It still will do everything most people need.. But I wish they would have just kept the price the same or a little more instead of cutting corners
Time to get a NAS and a 10Gb connection.
I do have a Synology NAS.. right now I have 35 TB of storage.. I’ve used about 25TB.. I do go through and delete old FCP project files. I just keep the finished video.
So wait for M3 RIGHT!!!!
If you can.. YES.. LOL
IMHO You're going about your storage all wrong. If you want to keep your mac mini operating at it's full potential as long as possible you should be installing only your software on the OS hard drive. Everything else should be working off external hard drives.
You're external.....It doesn't matter how fast the drive is if your connection is only 10gbs. That means you're really only going to get about 800mb/s real world read and write speeds. You need a thunderbolt enclosure if you want to realize the full speed of your external NVME drive. They can do around 5000mb/s.
Storage...only software on the computer. Make sure you get whatever the lowest configuration of storage on the mac that dual channel for the faster read/write speeds. I think it's 1tb for the new mac m2's
An external thunderbolt hard drive for current projects that is basically just always connected to your computer. These things are fast!
A Raid 1 2 disk enclosure for archving your drives with slower 7200rpm media. I bought two 16tb for $250 each! Should last a while...
Then NAS in RAID 5 for another backup and a way too access all your files remotely.
I’ve tried to edit off external drives in the past, which had the “best” read/write for the price, and while most edits are fine the ones that got really heavy I began to have issues. I never looked into picking up a Thunder l bolt enclosure. I do only keep software on my machine. When I edit a video I do have the project on the machine because I feel like it edits much smoother and the machine utilizes the processing much better. I do have a NAS with about 36TB where I store every project.
My other totally irrational feeling is having a bunch of stuff plugged into the machine cluttering up the desk.. lol..
I appreciate the info and will def look into the thunderbolt drive as an option to save money instead of upgrading the storage from apple
@@TheAppleHelpline I mispoke. Sounds like you have your storage needs met just fine.
The thunderbolt enclosures are money!
DIY version is what I setup for my clients. Thunderbolt3/4/USB 3.x enclosure & M.2 gen4 ssd all for $270 for 2TB
And windows users with 64gb memory and 4090 GPU are laughing at both Apple machines 😂
They tried to watch the video but the virus protection software and windows wanted run an update so the video stopped playing… 🤣🤣🤣
Just install Linux.
While I still do have the Mac Mini I've gone to Alienware gaming PC with a Nvidia 3090 24GB GDDR6X GPU featuring 36 teraflops! After 17 years of using Apple products, I'm done forever with Apple.
With those kind of specs I would probably stop using Apple too.. LOL That is a beast of a machine!