5W Amps Cranked - Glorious Tone! | Fender, VOX, Supro, And More | Thomann
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- How loud are 5w tube amps when fully cranked? And most importantly... do they sound any good?
Find it out with Kris and Guillaume and let us know in the comments how you liked the amps.
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Interesting bits and pieces:
0:00 Introduction
1:36 1. Amp | Frender 57 Custom Champ
1:57 Stereo room mic for the WIN!!
2:34 Fender Champ playing | Tele
3:36 Fender Champ playing | Les Paul
4:41 Champ Impressions
5:32 2. Amp | Supro 64 Reverb | Les Paul
6:30 Supro playing | Tele
7:29 This thing is loud!
8:25 3. Amp | VOX AC10 C1
8:42 VOX playing | Les Paul
10:28 VOX playing | Tele
11:28 Impressions
12:28 4. Amp | Tube Workshop Single Six
13:49 Tube Workshop playing | Les Paul
15:18 Tube Workshop playing | Tele
16:35 Impressions
17:16 5. Amp | Tone King Gremlin | Les Paul
18:40 Tone King playing | Tele
19:53 Final thoughts
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I'm blown away by how different the room mic sounds from the close mic.For my (admittedly damaged) hearing, the room mic sounds better.
That's exactly the reason why we use Giacomo 😅 (the stereo mic "head"). A lot of amps are tricky to mic and it's especially hard to show how they REALLY sound like in the room. Not even with such an amazing studio mic as the Neumann U67 in this video. Room mic for the win! Haha //Kris
Al Schmitt was right all along, and George Martin shoving the mics up close _was_ novel and exciting... _60 years ago._
Close micing is over-used and we tend to default to it from a follower-mentality (more than a practical one that we've ever tested, anyhow). Drums often sound better with a couple well-placed overheads w/ a kick&snare mic and maybe a room mic. Only a few genres or situations actually benefit from isolating toms, or even isolation in general.
@@shaft9000Most rooms do not sound good
That’s why instead of close mic’ing my dual rec, I stand it 3 feet away and turn it up
All of them have their unique voice for sure, but for me there’s no better than that Fender Tweed. That throaty mid range is just pure love. 😍
I totally agree!
The Tone King was absolutely incredible, easily the best to my ears. Next would be the Supro.
That Supro tho!!!!! How can such a small box create such a huge sound?!?! Even the db-meter was like “god damn bro” 🤘
Vox is superb sounding.
I've been gigging small to medium clubs with my Cream Vox Ac10 for a few years now. Absolutely never encountered a situation it wasn't loud enough for, and most of the time that's not even mic'd. Fantastic Amp for around $500 ish on the used market.
Especially if you plug it into a cab with larger speaker(s) than the 10" inside the AC10, which itself is better upgraded to a greeback or creamback?
Love the fact you guys offer the possibility to listen to the sound through that binaural head!
This was Awesome!!
Wow, adding the Neumann Binaural Head to your videos is really an upgrade. With the U67 you get the sound in a recording situation, while with the KU100 you get a really good impression on how the amps sound in the room (especially when listening with headphones). Love it!
I'm confused. You can do seemingly the same for $1000s less using a pair of mics, and have total freedom with your placement. The NBH doesn't allow for ORTF or mid/side, for example.
Why embrace such restrictions?
Huge love for Vox here... Supro sounds so good too...
Those were my favorites too!
Vox AC4TV Head is a cool little low watt amp. Loud af, too.
Why the Vox AC10 and not the Vox AC4, which would seem to be more appropriate for this comparison?
I know this wasnt your intention but this is also the most informative video when in comes down to hearing an Amp through a mic and hearing it with your ears in the room.
People often underestimate the difference. The In the room Sound is always more pleasant.
Great video. Love the Supro and the Vox. Small amps like these are more fun than I would've thought.
Always tasty playing guys. Nice one
Great idea. Great video. The Tele through the Champ. That room mic is amazing... I would love to hear a (pre-Gibson) Mesa in this context.
Loved the cremlin and the anthrax
Great review.
The Fender 57 Custom Champ is my favorite.
Loved that! .. loved them all , the supro was special for that thing .. the Fender Neil Young was my favourite tone .. but you have to play it none stop ..... the gremlin 💙
Love the Class 5 and the Hi-5 as well
Love that Fender! 👌
They are all my favorite. I have a Blackstar HT-5R, but it's too loud to crank at home. I'd love to hear what it sounds like.
Great room mic
They all had really good sound, the Tube Workshop was really impressive and the Vox had a great sound. To me the Gremlin was the only one that sounded better on the close Mic while the others sounded better on the room Mic.
That AC10 though!! Just wow....
Thats for the great comparison ❤
And that's for the lovely comment. 💛 Cheers //Kris
Tone king! Kilt it. They were all great - doin the thing.
That VOX is SICK!
Great fun 👍🏻 Vox was the best single sound but the tone king the best over different sounds.
How about a VHT 6, Marshall dsl5cr, Magnatone starlite, Benson vinny, Laney cub super 6, Laney lionheart L5T, etc …..
Since I’ve rarely been able to turn an amp past five I approve of this message.
My favorite is the Single Six (seems to be the most versatile amp). Loved the Fender Champ (but I use it with a 12 inch speaker).
Bon travail les aiguilleurs du 5W!
The Vox and the Fender Tweed sound best for my tastes
That Vox, oh my heck!
What a great fun😊
I can’t comment on 4 but I have the Fender 57 Champ and love it. I’m especially pleased I bought it 4 years ago because the price has gone way up and it wasn’t cheap then.
oooh, the tele + the 57 champ for me all day
Love the difference of the tonalyties of each of the small amps😃But I love more smaller ones, than the big ones nowadays🙂
The Supro's always stand out to me. I also really like the Gremlin. One of your better shootout ideas. Well done, fellas!
I have the Vox AC10 and I've only used it at home so far and it's soooo loud!
Love my Wang's 5W little monster - I plug it into an 8" monitor and it rips pretty good. The neighbors hate it and that means it's loud enough to get over there lol
You guys are awesome ❤
You're awesome! 🙌 Thanks for watching. //Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses I would love to come and work for the Thomann family. Lg
That Vox! What a bang for the buck!
Tone King !!
Tone king… absolutely
That telecaster... 😮wow it's just a great sounding example of a tele.
Thanks a lot! It is indeed an amazing guitar an I can't get enough of it. //Kris
Could you try these amps in a wet/dry rig with a bigger amp? You guys are great
What an ear opener!! Thank you guys for this. To me the room mic sounds way better than the close mic. Im no expert - can someone explain why it seems 95% use the close mic in recording situations?
I have an old Gorilla 12@ I think, and my very first amp. A little Peavy Rage. Still having fun!🤙
The Tone King is awesome, would love to have one in my studio My overall impression is that 5 watt amps are fine if you use them with a 12" speaker. If the speaker is smaller the sound gets smaller /thinner /boxie.
100% agree though that character is one some people definitely dig and want in a small amp. I just had a recording/guitar testing amp built and went w a single 6L6 w a pot to blend from triode to pentode and an alnico 12" driver. Very fat and juicy and doesn't get spitty or grindy until/unless I want.
Some 8s are better than others, but yeah, I agree they are somehow limited. 10s can sound good too. For instance, I tried my 5F2A clone with no negative feedback through an old Celestion G10L-35 (bass cone) and it sounded amazing.
Les Paul -》VOX is winner for me
All mic setups sounded strong
For me TWS sound is superior in every way!!!! Love that sound!
Would like to hear the Blackstar HT-5R Mk II added for comparison. The 10W EL34 Studio 10 can get super loud with the boost switch.
Fender for the win in my opinion.
THAT VOX 🤯
And the other hard to spell G is a real game changer micing wise!
Haha! Giacomo and Guillaume, what a duo of names. I kinda feel like I should change my name to something long with a G. Like Giancarlo. Or Giuseppe. Those would fit much better. //Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses Absolutely! And the you could call you the three G of the big T 😂😂
They sounded good in their own way... I would have preferred an SM57 as the close mic though, just because that's what we're used to!
What a fantastic video have a wonderful day also tomorrow is my dad birthday ❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊
I like the idea to use a Neumann Binaural Head mic as it gives you a more realistic impression of the sound you will hear instead of the sound a mic just in front of the amp will hear. Probably you will not stand that close to a tube amp ..l even if it has just 5 Watt ;-)
Ahah loved the ratp riff 🤘
That supro is was made for humbuckers!! Wow
And that 5watt was made for teles. Wowwww
I just saw something that Jimmy Page used a Tele with a Supro, for Led Zepplin I and II.
Sind die niiieeeedlich 🤩😅...Der Vox und der Tone King rocken, ...( die kleinen schlingel ) 😂
Tone King!
I’d like to see amp manufacturers make a return to offering some low watt amps in bigger cabs. This mentality that, oh it’s only five watts, so it just needs a little 6” or 8” speaker in a tiny boxy sounding cab. My first tube amp was a 1960s department store amp that had two tens in a decent sized cab, even though the amp probably only put out about 2 watts. Nice full 3D sound without any need for an attenuator.
Tone King.
Where is the Bugera G5?
I have one and i never cranked it, please make a video!
The Supro cranked up and I thought, yeh that’ll be the one!
Then the TWS cranked up and I thought, damn that might be the one!
Then the Gremlin cranked up and I thought wait a minute, it might be this one!!! 😂
Great vid, thoroughly enjoyed that.
I own a 3 Watt Peavey JSX Collosal Tube Amp with Power-Soak. Nothing more to say ;-))
All of these were fab. I do wish though given how great small amps record we'd have heard a mix of close & room. Because the room sounds great, the amps sound greater, both should sound greatest
@Git Exactly.
The Gremlin was awesome!!!!!!
i felt like the amps were in order of greatness, the tweed sounded best followed by the supro then the vox and so on, i listened to them out of order and still felt that way , i own three 5 watt amps and my advice if you want it to be more usable get one with a master volume or gain control , advice go's for any amp ..
What did you do to the Gremlin? It sounded very tinny and brash, but mine is warm and lovely, but it’s very loud.
That Tele is my favorite! What pickups are in there?
Mine too, haha! Custom shop 51 Nocaster handwound pickups and they are perfect. Cheers //Kris
Tone King and Vox!
Tone king amps are amazing
I spoke prematurely and didn’t listen to all of them now that I have the vox 10 watt is clearly the best 5 watt amp in this test.
Unfortunately, they don't make them anymore, but i would have loved to hear a Marshall Class 5 in this comparison, too. Then you would have covered all my amps! I have a Class 5, an AC10C1 and a Tone King Falcon Grande ( little bit bigger brother to the Gremlin.
"Rockin in the Free World" almost there, guys...I really DID set a blue-font Deluxe Reverb on fire in 1993 by cranking it and playing "Out of the Blue into the Black" 🎸 🔥
AC10 sounded the best here, btw
Tone king
Tell you what ...
For me, that Vox AC10C1 just does it for me. Would love to see one of these on all solid state amps. I have a Vox Pathfinder 10 ... when you're getting tuned feedback on a 'power-A' fed into a really small amplifier that's sat on your table ... you've a great amplifier in front of you.
Ah, yes ... and that English term:
'aiguilleur' en français
'pointsman' in English
17:50 - "... not bad..." the filtered version of "MAN DIS FKIN' KILLER!"
JIMI WAS THERE WITH HIS ZIPPO GASOLINE !
The Supro and the Tone King meet my taste on gainy sounds best, but the coolest sound on the entire video is the Telecaster coupled with the breaking up TWS amp. Heard on my car speakers... the binaural microphone variant is great, I'll have to listen to it on headphones later.
If you can ever find a Vox AC4TV pick it up. I used to have one of these probably should have kept it. Very simple little amp with a tiny speaker but it could drive a 1x12 or 2x12 and has class A tube circuit at 4 watts and could do a great loose breakup at low volumes because it has attenuation to drop to 1 watt. 😂
Next test: Crank an Orange OR15 into the matching 4x12. It’s fun. Small but mighty. 🤘
For distortion, most valve guitar amps will sound best in full clip on 10, that’s what a power soak or attenuator is for. The exceptions are single end triode (sounds awful) and/or using overdrive or master volume channel. You will need to replace valves regularly however, as they become microphonic. My choice has always been soaked EL34 (Marshal, HiWatt, Orange) for lead, and 6V6 or 6L6 (Fender, can’t afford a Dumble) for rhythm.
well i love the TWS ... this is the real thing ;-) the real deal :-) ... this amp pulls your guitar to the next level ... so easy ... so tasty
As a proud owner of a Single Six I can absolutely agree with you. It's loud, it's extremely versatile and it's a perfect pedal platform, period.
I record an AC4TV cranked late at night and neighbors dont mind
I either a) put it in the bathroom and close the door, or b) stack couch pillows around the mic to baffle it some
I actually have the Supro 1wt amp. It is definitely a room filler in a small bedroom. So I'm more drawn to that tone. But that Gremlin. Wow
A comparison of each amp in the 12" of that Harley Benton cabinet would have been great.
@Ddo Agreed!!! Low wattage amps with a 12" speaker rather than the small speakers that tthey tend to be paired with is a real treat that is definately worth checking out. Small speakers can sound quite good recorded but a 12" just sounds bigger and better especially to your ears in the room.
On another topic 100-105db is quite loud although way better than the 110+ one would get with a 50 or 100 watt tube amp. With pedals you can get very nice sounds in the 80-90db range with low wattage amps and that can be a cool place to live.
Actually, that would have been very interesting!
@Tubeworkshop I've owned many amps over the years from Fenders like Bassman heads and a Showman Reverb to a '71 Marshall Super Lead 100 watt but the two I have kept since the 1990s are both 5-7 watt tube amps that are paired with a 12" speaker. Practically nobody has heard of them probably but one is a 1960s Galanti and the other is maybe the first low wattage boutique amp ever made called a HiMu.
@@7171jay A 5-7 Watt amp combined with a 12'' Speaker is a great combination. At least in my opinion. Also the cabinet is very important in terms of size, bracing and wall thickness. Playing around with those parameters can give you a 5W amp that sounds really full and "adult" and not like a small practice amp. I hope we nailed that in the Single Six. Thanks for pointing out the Gelanti and the HiMu. Didn't know these, but I will definitely have a look now...
@@tubeworkshop Yeah, I didn't mention cabs but the size and construction is also part of the sound equation. The Galanti and the HiMu are both very obscure so good luck finding them. The Galanti is pretty much a Tweed Champ but with vibrato and a tone control in a fairly decent sized but kind of light weight cab with a 12" speaker.
The HiMu is a 7 watt beast with a lot of stuff you just didn't find in low wattage amps back in the 1990s like multiple cascading gain stages, tube driven effects loop with volume control of both the send and return and the ability to either switch it out completely or use it as an additional gainstage and a bunch of other stuff. Too bad the guy who made it only made about a hundred amps over a few years and then just gave it up as it's a veritable work horse that can do scooped mid blackface to a very mid forward crunch and can sound good at very low volumes or even hold up to fairly loud drums.
Bin überrascht, wie excellent die Kunstkopf Aufnahme rüberkommt. Dagegen klingt das Neumann ziemlich breiig, undifferenziert und bei cranked alles ziemlich gleich.
Thats one thing I don't have is a little 5W. I need one. I have the AC10. Thats cool. I had a little DSL 5 but meh.. Gotta get a Champ or a Supro maybe.
One good thing about the modern mini amps is the line out. It's usually the official "plug in ". Ie....the orange 10 line out is the official orange plug in program
Woo
I miss the Vox AC4 HW
Why is speaker sensitivity underappreciated?
A speaker sensitivity rating is the amount of volume a speaker produces with only 1 watt of power.
So yes, a 1 watt amp can get up to 99db if you use a Monotone BV-30H.
I would stack the gremlin on top of the vox with the vox always at 8 the gremlin thru an A/B box snd the fender on top running flat out as a boost like as a boost pedal
Set rm up in s flight case with a handle and back wheels like a smell Ampeg fridge hook it up all wireless for an easy set up
Just One plug powers em all up
Wireless set up up with s minimal pedal board
The auto on it it off
Or just two fenders with the boss analogue delay
Please more more more remo
More more little combo mixes
Gremlin and the Vox were great
Definitely the Single Six
Vox AC 10 and Tone King are best sounding amps to me, just my taste.
Those two and the Supro were awesome fully cranked. For cleans, the Tube Workshop was mighty good. //Kris
I lean towards high gain setups but the Tele though the Supro has me questioning everything.
My little Engl has a 5W mode, it's too loud for most places I get to hear it.