Well, what Tim is to you, you are to me and many others. Your studio work, your live onstage work and the topics you cover in your videos have made me a better musician, and they're entertaining. Watching you, Rick and Dave go back and forth is what I look forward to.
As a 27 year old guitarist I really have to say that I don't know how much you realize that the guys like you online really are making a difference. We really do need people like you who are embracing the new medium of digital video content while bringing all of the important wisdom of the medium to this new genre. Thank you, honestly, its really nice to see these videos.
@@Thesongstaysthesame One of the things that I've learned is that if you are unable to surround yourself in person with people who know more than you, then actively seeking them out is the next best option, and having this here is an invaluable resource. One of the best ways that I have found to learn to get better at anything is to really listen to what those who know what they are talking about and have experience have to say. The amount of small bits of insight that can be used later on is far more valuable than people think.
@@WeyounSix Your comment reminded me of something Alabama football coach Paul “Bear” Bryant said. He claimed all his assistant coaches were smarter than he, because, “If they’re not smarter than I am, I don’t need them.”
30 years ago I use to pay $50 for an hour with a pro . I don't regret any of that but really there bis so much at our finger tips on TH-cam . 55 years and still improving .
Rick, these conversations with Tim go way beyond music. Asking why you still want this gear even though you’re not going to use it for a session is something we can all relate to: a nagging “want” that we suspect is a distraction from more important things but that we just can’t shake. I also think that you’ve established so much cred you could produce whatever and however you want now. I don’t know the specifics of the system you were beholden to as a producer, but I’d think new artists would be beating down your door for the chance to work with you. Finally, with regard to making videos on jazz, rock, classical, etc. your enthusiasm for all things music is why I watch. Don’t overthink it. Whatever your excited about is the only relevant criteria. 👍
I was in a band in high school. Rick went to the same high school, same class. I knew who he was, but we ran in different circles. Here I am 40+ years later and I can't express how much I appreciate what he's doing for music or how impressed I am with his knowledge and content.
I’m also a Tim and went to IC with Rick. And I laugh every time I watch him laughing. Still the same. Still remember when he heard Methany for the first time at the Strand.
I went to Fairport and Ithaca too, then found out Rick the Sicilian came from the greater Rochester area (gee ya think?) and attended the same schools, maybe 4 years behind me. Mentioned it to some Fairport friends recently, and they already knew all about Rick. I had a few bands in Rochester. I also was at Shorts Bar in Fairport one night, and who was sitting there all alone at the bar but Lou Gramm? Had a nice conversation with him. One more of many rock stars I seem to run across every so often. Foreigner played a local party in Rancho Santa Margarita here in Southern California, that I got invited to, so I wore a "House of Guitars" T-shirt and after the concert we ended up hangin' with the band after they saw my T-shirt and said "Hey are you from Rochester?" When I see these videos from Rick and Tim I feel privileged to be let inside, behind the curtain, to see how the sausage is made! Very inspiring. :)
@@dougselsam5393 I'm former patron of Shorts Bar myself!, and also lived in So Cal for many years, most recently in Trabuco Canyon. Wish we'd crossed paths. Every time I hear Rev on The Red Line it's like an inside joke when he references Lake Avenue. Man, do I miss the House of Guitars.
Tim and Rick are not only musicians they are educators whom have raised everyone’s music IQ whereby we have become better musicians, listeners and people when it comes to music! TY Gents!
I play bass... I don’t really like shredding guitarists when it’s not in Steely Dan, Van Halen, Toto or Zappa’s bands. But, mr. Tim I love! His playing, personality and big smile! And all of that for free! IMO producers are enablers, aren’t they? 🖖
Tim is so good at identifying priorities. Studio discipline can make the difference between the musicians truly “playing together” vs. everyone “playing at the same time.”
TH-cam is amazing for this very reason. It used to be that professional musicians like Tim would never have the sort of visibility to a larger audience and his knowledge+experience would have been buried (just think about Carol Kaye). Now we have so much of this content at our fingertips.
TH-cam is the best reason for being online. A day spent watching videos that instruct and entertain like this one is not a waste of time but actually a good use of it!
@@YAMISOOLD2009 Yeah, people used to watch mindless TV shows, instead I can watch stuff like this all day long. Yesterday I watched a 4 hours series on how to professionally nitro finish a guitar using basic tools and spray cans by experts. And in between I was watching a video about a plane crash by one of the senior Captains of Ryanair and he did a full series on 737 startup and everything, basically the test you would need to pass to become certified on the 737 and it was free and I sat on my couch watching it. And before that something by Oceanliner Designs. YT is wonderful. In the past I would have to get that from books and it would have taken months and I certainly wouldn't have had an expert explaining it to me.
I love Tim, and his enthusiasm for everything guitar related after all of these years is inspiring. We are truly living in an amazing time when so many pros are sharing all of their secrets.
You guys could put up 6 hours of conversation like this and many of us would listen to every word. So much fun to hear you guys talk about, well, anything.
Tim Pierce....the most talented, skilled, incredible player that is also incredibly humble. Would love to hang out and watch him work...so much you could learn.
This is seriously next-level stuff. I would've started this video out by saying to just practice first. You don't know what playing ahead of the beat or behind the beat means until you can play on the beat. I didn't realize I could play in the pocket until an esteemed musician friend gave me that compliment. I'm happy to have made it to that milestone, but I still have no idea how to play ahead or behind the beat. It took me 20 years to just play ON THE BEAT. When I watch a lot of video tutorials on "how to play song X", I'm always impressed by the ear training and the fingering. But I can almost always hear the lack of solid timing. I often hear them playing ahead of the beat I think, because they are not relaxed and maybe over-anxious. Anyway, I don't even know what my damn point was. Just keep practicing. And maybe Rick can give us a video about how to play ahead of or behind the beat.
I am pretty high in neuroticism and pretty obsessed at times too, and for me it creates a lot of inertia in my writing, playing and producing. After years of basicly not being able to finish a single production, I finally let go and recorded mixed and released my first songs as best I could. I am now progressing much faster becouse of it, but boy it's hard to accept my shortcomings sometimes.
People, take note -- everything in this conversation is pure gold. The nuance in timing, particularly how far back into the pocket everyone played, that Tim is talking about is, to me, the best-kept secret to understanding three decades of pop recording brilliance. Muscle Shoals, Nashville, LA, Memphis, Detroit, they all had this quality and it isn't talked about enough. The pocket shift forward that Tim talks about is one of the tragic developments in music and one of the subtle, profound reasons music doesn't sound as good these days even though the recording technology and technique of the players are higher than they've ever been. We really lost the warmth, feel...the humanity of pop music when the shift to the grid happened.
This is so interesting. When I used to gig that’s exactly what I discovered. Used to love being just a little behind then rush a little to end it where it needed or not rush it, and it sounded so good most of the time. But this could be very tricky and it’s a form of secret art. I didn’t know it was actually a concept once. Now I release it came to me unconsciously from all those records.
I really hope Rick makes a vid about this. There are many subtle things about music that make a big difference to how we relate to it. Talking about it is one thing but seeing a proper analysis with examples would demystify what’s actually different about today’s popular music and perhaps why it all seems so sterile.
You mean QUANTIZING? Yes, I used to think MIDI and all things DSP were the greatest thing to happen to music production. I know think I got that completely backwards.
Beginner question -- what is the grid? I watched that section of the video a few times and I thought maybe they were referring to how forward/back the drums sound in the mix, but I'm guessing it refers to playing right on beat? Edit: so it does seem like it's the beat -- so why is this a bad thing for pop music?
When I was first learning guitar in grade school, nobody taught me to play with a light touch just behind the fret. I got so frustrated with the buzzing, etc, I quit playing. I am picking the guitar back up and working to change my bad habit of pressing too hard and teaching myself to play just behind the fret. Thank you for these great tips. Much appreciated.
It takes no pressure at all if you get it right and like you I was not told early on either. You can however be too close with classical guitars and change the intonation - my good classical guitar with go sharp, flat or just right depending upon where one frets.
Thank you for this interview which shows that skilled labor in any field of work is at first glance appears to look easy, but behind the talent is using as little commotion as needed. Like a professional dancer there is no wasted motion or movement. A good musician follows the same rules as keeping a good knife sharp which is to hone and sharpen it often.
I love it when my favorite TH-cam creators get together and just let the content go wherever it leads. Love the tips and the tricks I just picked up. Thank you Rick and Tim.
This Seinfeldian interview worked great. And when Tim went into a Bruce Lee Moment with "you wanna be inside the drum kit" i knew i was watching something really special...
That kind of performance is really remarkable. It didn't hit me as an aspiring music major until I got up against real competition and realized that my A game was what some of competition considered their C game. Tim on a bad day is still playing at 150% of almost anybody else. As you both have pointed out, there's no substitute for hitting the woodshed, but raw talent has to be there. Props to you both for these great conversations.
I'm 50 yrs old and a few yrs into my own guitar journey. Listening to this makes me wish I'd started 40 yrs ago. The Knowledge and enthusiasm you guys put across is second to none. 👏
54 here and 3 years in......i can hear a song for the first time and play the riff by ear instantly....makes me wish i would have started in 1982, my life could have taken a different turn! But whatever, best decision ever and i'm having the time of my life, playing the songs i so love and creating my own noise😂🥹🎸🤘🎸
@@BigEdWo I might add that i am completely obsessed! I am a carpenter and in the same time i have learnt to do my own guitar work, down to a full neck reset on a 12 string Yamaha acoustic of 35 years. I build my own jigs and tools and spend any free minute playing.
It has been so much fun finding out HOW MANY SONGS Tim has played on that have been in my playlists forever. Hear a great 80s song, Tim did the guitars, 90s, 00s, etc.
Love this!! The Rusty Anderson amp was a surprise to me. We had a mutual friend when he was making Undressing Underwater and I was in the process of setting up a home studio. He was a great resource for mic advice and gear choices. A very sweet man and so talented.
Rick, what you do is invaluable to musicians but wildly fascinating to those who just find it cool to learn about these things. you hit on all the important nuances about what people need to see and hear. Explaining what makes an artist an artist, and how they are unique like Sting for an example. Very illuminating. I appreciate it very much.
Either Tim has a great PR guy/girl that tells him "smile at the camera Tim" or Tim just likes to smile at the camera. These dudes are my generation artists, great talent, intelligent, amiable. Love Tim and Rick - been a subscriber for eons.
The humbleness is what I love the most!! I’ve been in the “business” for over 40yrs and 8 out of 10 times the folks that are true talent are kind and humble…there are however exceptions. Keep it coming fellas!! 🤘
Love this channel! Rick always makes me feel like we are old friends, even though we've never met. I know great actors create that vibe too depending on the actor/role, but being a life long guitarist/musician around the same age as Rick, all the gear talk, interviews and stories, I can totally relate and it never gets old for me.
Get this: I don't play guitar. However, after watching and LISTENING to Rick's videos, I have gained an understanding of what is happening on that there fretboard. You have enhanced my perception and pleasure of the guitar. Sent all the way from Morecambe, England
This is one of my favorite podcasts. I was in a cover band with my grade school friends when we were in high school in the late 60s. Then I got married had kids and a career, but always had guitars and have been playing into my late 60s. I'm not a pro but I'm amazed that I understood everything these pros are talking about.
I wish Rick and Tim would take 20 guitar players under their wings and produce them. Be great to watch the sessions and see Tim and Rick interact with the guitar players. 12 year olds to 90 year old guitar players - I'd watch 'em. Be great if Buddy Guy was one of the 20 players - why not add a legend?
I'd love that! But only if Corey Heuvel was one of them! Even though I don't think that he needs any advice really, he is one of the best guitar players out there right now and writes really great iconic songs that become instantly your favourites. He deserves way more attention and their expertise is always much appreciated 🤘 there's nothing wrong with learning from another 😉 check out his Livestreams on Friday and you'll understand. Rock on, great music still exists
I’ve been a drummer all my life. No I’m learning how to become a bass guitar player. I bought an acoustic left-handed guitar because Rick got me so interested in music theory is a whole. Almost every TH-cam video that Rick puts out is just so inspiring I keep watching him I just can’t get enough. He has been there and lived this and he has these people on that have been there and did all this originally it’s so incredibly interesting I just can’t get enough.
While living in Los Ángeles I was fortunate to work with long time Tim’s friend ...the late Ramón Stagnaro, the nylon guitarist extraordinaire (even Tim made a video about him) and he was exactly what Tim is talking about here. He would come to my small sessions, independent artists with a super pro attitude. Pro sound and always in the pocket. He would go as “ play me the song as I’m setting up my guitar,...” then he would say again “..let me play the tune one way through it..” then 2 more tracks and ta-ta !!!...job done. The problem....then I couldn’t select the lines ....all of them where pieces of art ....literally....a shame not letting them sound in the mix !!! I miss you Ramon...we all !!!!!!!!!
Dear Rick and Tim - first, Rick, congratulations on your channel going from strngth to strength. Tim, I embarassed that - at 66 years old - I had never heard of you and then TH-cam's wonderful algorithm served me up your Mimisounds session and the Rick interview back-to-back. This is TH-cam - and social media - at its very finest. Thank you both.
23:46 "I think we fall more in love with the things we loved originally." The take-away line from this video. Beautiful. And those are almost the exact same words my best friend said when getting back to roots buying vinyl, and re-listening to the music that got us into music.
You two pull together your individual expertise and knowledge in a lovely enjoyable conversation of meaningful recollections and well interpreted personal wisdoms. Thank you!
In addition to being a fabulous musician, Tim's ability to capture the essence of a sound in English is admirable. Words like 'edible' to describe the sound of the old EJ/PRS head, 'shadow' to describe how a delay adds to the sound . He should write for a guitar magazine.
I love Tim's view on the availability of the best equipment. It's cool to see someone so big in the industry say that he wants everyone to be able to have access to the stuff that the big time pros rely on. Personally, he's the reason I picked up the odr-1 a few years ago, and he's also the reason I got myself a danelectro roebuck too. I love hearing from the pros what things are actually viable and dependable in the field and on records. To me, I take solace in knowing that I'm using the same readily available tools as some of the greatest session musicians around. Like, I am CERTAIN that there are good sounds to be had if I put in the work as a player and hone my own craft. It's the same reason I bought a fender p bass as my first primary bass when I was in middle school lol. Give me steady Eddie reliability over "mojo" any day. Seriously, it's so incredible to me to see my modern heroes using stuff as their bread and butter and find that those things aren't priced out the ass or rare beyond imagination.
This is wonderful, I am a guitarist who has had a long hard and fucked up life worked my way off the streets of Long Beach california, and you know what saved me? playing guitar tbqh. thx for this wisdom!
As a guitar player for over 25 years…muting string with your palms and fingers is really the key to a clean/reliable guitar player! 😅. Seriously! That kind of playing takes years to get down! Awesome video! Great advice. Your “brain/second nature” takes over after a while. 👍👍🍻🍻
Most professionals in any field who have reached the pinnacle to be considered the "best", are likely obsessive and a little neurotic...comes with being a perfectionist.
3 songs a day. New goal. I've been watching Rick and Tim for a bit now. I appreciate them both for sharing their knowledge and experience with us. It's definitely helped me become a better player and musician.
3 MILLION!!??!! That's amazing. Best content out there for guitarists. Haha down. And Tim is incredible. I've been watching and learning from his videos for years. Absolutely inspiring
just listening to you two, makes me feel "stressed" with the "heat" you guys had to take during your session work....it sounds like being in front of a firing sqad, not making music.....i'm glad nobody tells me what to do or come up with stuff when i play "at home".....cheers guys....🙂
I have come into sessions where the producer was already having a bad week and was being a MAJOR A-HOLE from the time i walked in the front door... So I already am starting in a bad environment with lots of negative energy.... Blocking all that out and staying focused and positive is more work than the actual music making...
This was an incredible interview. Way to go guys. This is why Jimmy Page was so far ahead of everyone when he out together Zeppelin. He had all that studio work under his belt and he applied his knowledge to those Zeppelin albums. He’s production skills are off the chart.
i realised (to some extend) what Jimmy's background was back then, but in a nutshell that was it......other bands at the time in the 60s "used" him for their records (beatles, Stones, the who and countless others), and when he started his own band these "artists"looked down on him and Zep because he was just "Jimmy" from the studio.....
John Paul Jones had also worked as a session player and arranger for several years prior to Zep. He'd worked with Jeff Beck, Tom Jones, Donovan the Stones and many others. He contributed more than his bass playing to the Zep records.
Tim Pierce is one of my top-favorite guitarists; and, an enjoyable interview personality (best when teamed with Beato). There should be a contest where the winner gets to spend an afternoon with Tim in his studio to learn, listen, and laugh. Could you imagine what just one afternoon with Tim could do for most advanced-level guitarists who have plateaued in their growth? That's a contest I would bother to enter!
I absolutely enjoy seeing you two in a video. Saves me time watching one video verse two! Also, I got so happy thinking Tim was in my hometown Bakersfield. Tarzania is awesome because you got Norm’s though.
I can’t even remember how many records of mine Tim has played on. Like he said. The first take needs to be perfect. And it always is with Tim. Hey Rick!! JT.
The string muting thing is clutch! After all, the acoustic guitar started as a rhythm/percussion-type instrument, so muting strings and chop rhythms are how it all began!!! I, for one, have to work on the lighter touch -- I prefer vintage frets, so when I play a modern guitar with fat frets, I notice how hard I'm pressing, as some notes get a little messy or out-of-tune (although probably not noticeable to a non-musician).
It seems to me that session players are "composing on demand". The implication is that the only reason they don't "deserve" co-writer status, is that they are performing "work done for hire". In other circumstances, their names should be included on the copyright, and they should receive royalty payments.
I believe they should be credited for everything they do especially when they the studio for hire guy come up with the parts. Here we think it’s the band itself and in lots of cases that’s simply not the case. They kinda get ripped off that way if you ask me because literally that song would we hear on the radio or wherever without them. So many classics. And some of these song that they created made the artists literally millions of dollars.
I wouldn’t put them in as composers as their main job is to know their way around the chords. The writer writes the Chords, your job is to weave from one chord to another creating or even loosely mimicking the melody.
@@conartist267"your job is to weave from one chord to another creating or even loosely mimicking the melody", or, in other words, "composing on demand". At the very least "arranging on demand", which is equally deserving of copyright credit.
If you aren't making mistakes, you aren't being "Creative". But there are times for creation and times for preci$ion. A Grammy nominated friend of mine once said, "Every time I see you play, I hear something I have never heard before, and I don't mean something I never heard "You" play before, I mean something I never heard anyone play before." There is a time to rely on your tricks, and a time to rely on your knowledge of the fretboard, and create sound, like painting colors on a canvas. If it ain't improv, it ain't art. 2 players come to mind... Satch and Vai. In the early days, Satch was simply a trick meister, stringing together licks he had perfected, but it wasn't creative and didn't impress me. Vai, on the other hand, painted sound colors, experiments, like throwing paint at a canvas. I'd much rather hear something I never heard before. Sadly, high-end guitar has become more of a sport, even a competition, like a Gymnastics Floor Exercise:) But having said all of that... Play The Song, play within the parameters of the song, play something appropriate, service the song, not your ego:)
I love you guys!!! The most phenomenal playing and theoretical knowledge; you both give such inspiration, education, and it’s so wonderful to see you both absolutely loving what you do and having such a great time!!! ☺️👍🏻
This a great video. Watched it a few times. So much to learn. I’m a bassist so I’m coming from their point of view about timing and drums. I’ve been listening for a while about behind the beat etc. Years. I’ve played in many bands. Not all but most it seems that the keyboard and guitar players do not listen to the drums or bass. As far as timing. They’re singing and playing in their own world. Keys playing his version of time an accents. And the guitarist the same. So most of the time it’s three different accents or whatever going on. Bass and drums against the other two who aren’t in lockstep. I totally get when Tim said behind the best or follow the grid. One band when were practicing I told them if everyone wou 42:30 ld hit in the middle of the beat it would be powerful. Guitar player laughed at my remark. Not that we didn’t try to fix it.
I definitely am a bit of a perfectionist but I will never be able to play without mistakes. Sometimes the mistakes end up being really cool parts though. Some of my best riffs I came up with because I hit a string or note by accident
I love this discussion, but it really, really, really makes me realise why I only usually play my acoustic. All that kit! All those options! All that tweaking! I need simple or I'd be an even worse player than I am. And I'm pretty darned bad. :-)
Love the part about muting unused strings.... I've developed a technique where my 'pinky' comes up and mutes the sustain automatically. On fast note/chord changes. I can't even control it. :) It has a mind of it's own! Wonderful interview!
Is that what they are using those for? Makes sense. I'm a really sloppy player, but it seems like a muting device would just prevent you from learning the propper technique
Tim is one of the best people I've gotten to know in the music industry. A legendary player, but an even better person!
If I only knew half of what you and Tim know on guitar I would be out of the basement lol.
That is truly the secret though, isn't it Rhett?
hi rhett
Well, what Tim is to you, you are to me and many others. Your studio work, your live onstage work and the topics you cover in your videos have made me a better musician, and they're entertaining. Watching you, Rick and Dave go back and forth is what I look forward to.
Rhett is totally awesome in his own right and deservedly belongs among the great people (Rick, et al) that he associates with.🙌🏻🙌🏻🍎
Does anyone else think that rick makes some of the most engaging and entertaining videos on TH-cam? Keep up the great work :)
Not just TH-cam, anywhere.
And not only entertaining, educational as well.
Yes. 100%
Holy hell that Marshall PA head sounds buttery
Yeah,about 3 milion of us
As a 27 year old guitarist I really have to say that I don't know how much you realize that the guys like you online really are making a difference. We really do need people like you who are embracing the new medium of digital video content while bringing all of the important wisdom of the medium to this new genre. Thank you, honestly, its really nice to see these videos.
Very well said.
I’ve been playing for about 30 years and I wish I had a Rick and Tim at the click of a button when I was younger.
@@Thesongstaysthesame One of the things that I've learned is that if you are unable to surround yourself in person with people who know more than you, then actively seeking them out is the next best option, and having this here is an invaluable resource. One of the best ways that I have found to learn to get better at anything is to really listen to what those who know what they are talking about and have experience have to say. The amount of small bits of insight that can be used later on is far more valuable than people think.
Seconded
@@WeyounSix Your comment reminded me of something Alabama football coach Paul “Bear” Bryant said. He claimed all his assistant coaches were smarter than he, because, “If they’re not smarter than I am, I don’t need them.”
30 years ago I use to pay $50 for an hour with a pro . I don't regret any of that but really there bis so much at our finger tips on TH-cam . 55 years and still improving .
Am a crazy old dude watching these 2 old crazy dudes talk about the most delightful stuff for close to an hour. This is insanely great. Love it!
I am also a dude commenting on a dude watching other dudes talk about playing with other dudes😂
Same here. I can't believe I'm this old now. I was graduating high school in 83! Love Rick's channel!
@@jimberlygridder183 same but add some more dudes i feel.
@@ToddHurneyRick is really a Beast!
Rick, these conversations with Tim go way beyond music. Asking why you still want this gear even though you’re not going to use it for a session is something we can all relate to: a nagging “want” that we suspect is a distraction from more important things but that we just can’t shake.
I also think that you’ve established so much cred you could produce whatever and however you want now. I don’t know the specifics of the system you were beholden to as a producer, but I’d think new artists would be beating down your door for the chance to work with you.
Finally, with regard to making videos on jazz, rock, classical, etc. your enthusiasm for all things music is why I watch. Don’t overthink it. Whatever your excited about is the only relevant criteria. 👍
He is a custodian, hopefully keeping rare old equipment alive will make people aware and stop them throwing vintage kit into the dumpster.
I was in a band in high school. Rick went to the same high school, same class. I knew who he was, but we ran in different circles. Here I am 40+ years later and I can't express how much I appreciate what he's doing for music or how impressed I am with his knowledge and content.
I’m also a Tim and went to IC with Rick. And I laugh every time I watch him laughing. Still the same. Still remember when he heard Methany for the first time at the Strand.
Rochester has so much great musical talent!
@@1112Grll personality goes a long way🎯
I went to Fairport and Ithaca too, then found out Rick the Sicilian came from the greater Rochester area (gee ya think?) and attended the same schools, maybe 4 years behind me. Mentioned it to some Fairport friends recently, and they already knew all about Rick. I had a few bands in Rochester. I also was at Shorts Bar in Fairport one night, and who was sitting there all alone at the bar but Lou Gramm? Had a nice conversation with him. One more of many rock stars I seem to run across every so often. Foreigner played a local party in Rancho Santa Margarita here in Southern California, that I got invited to, so I wore a "House of Guitars" T-shirt and after the concert we ended up hangin' with the band after they saw my T-shirt and said "Hey are you from Rochester?" When I see these videos from Rick and Tim I feel privileged to be let inside, behind the curtain, to see how the sausage is made! Very inspiring. :)
@@dougselsam5393 I'm former patron of Shorts Bar myself!, and also lived in So Cal for many years, most recently in Trabuco Canyon. Wish we'd crossed paths. Every time I hear Rev on The Red Line it's like an inside joke when he references Lake Avenue. Man, do I miss the House of Guitars.
Tim and Rick are not only musicians they are educators whom have raised everyone’s music IQ whereby we have become better musicians, listeners and people when it comes to music! TY Gents!
I mean, jean jacket plus jeans is the stuff of legends.....
Absolutely, I totally concur man
Absolutely, I totally agree
then everyone clapped
Tim is the man.
Ditto
You have a great channel Ross. 👍
@@buddyalbert5808 Most certainly so, Great Player/Teacher
Sure Tim and Rick are amazing but Im a follower of you too Ross…. Your playing is getting right up there too. Keep it going guys!
I like how he always looks really pleased with his riffs. Why not let your enthusiasm show...
I play bass...
I don’t really like shredding guitarists when it’s not in Steely Dan, Van Halen, Toto or Zappa’s bands.
But, mr. Tim I love! His playing, personality and big smile!
And all of that for free!
IMO producers are enablers, aren’t they?
🖖
Tim is so good at identifying priorities. Studio discipline can make the difference between the musicians truly “playing together” vs. everyone “playing at the same time.”
Tim is so humble. Ferocious player, and just a nice guy. I love watching Rick too. He gets so excited about what he's talking about. Both cool guys.
TH-cam is amazing for this very reason. It used to be that professional musicians like Tim would never have the sort of visibility to a larger audience and his knowledge+experience would have been buried (just think about Carol Kaye). Now we have so much of this content at our fingertips.
TH-cam is the best reason for being online. A day spent watching videos that instruct and entertain like this one is not a waste of time but actually a good use of it!
Carol Kaye did teach at Berkeley for some time, so not all was lost.
@@YAMISOOLD2009 Yeah, people used to watch mindless TV shows, instead I can watch stuff like this all day long.
Yesterday I watched a 4 hours series on how to professionally nitro finish a guitar using basic tools and spray cans by experts.
And in between I was watching a video about a plane crash by one of the senior Captains of Ryanair and he did a full series on 737 startup and everything, basically the test you would need to pass to become certified on the 737 and it was free and I sat on my couch watching it. And before that something by Oceanliner Designs. YT is wonderful. In the past I would have to get that from books and it would have taken months and I certainly wouldn't have had an expert explaining it to me.
I've know Tim for over 140 years and he's the best person i've ever talked to in the studio, absolutely sweet soul.
Wow I didn’t know Tim was that old
dude was cutting records in the 1880s
Here for the vampire unmasking.
He played Lincoln's Funeral... I was there with a relative of mine. 😬
God? is that you?
I love Tim, and his enthusiasm for everything guitar related after all of these years is inspiring. We are truly living in an amazing time when so many pros are sharing all of their secrets.
You guys could put up 6 hours of conversation like this and many of us would listen to every word. So much fun to hear you guys talk about, well, anything.
Tim Pierce....the most talented, skilled, incredible player that is also incredibly humble. Would love to hang out and watch him work...so much you could learn.
Tim explaining what being a session guitarist is like makes me really really want to be a session player. That's the kind of stuff I thrive on.
Makes me wanna be a guitar session player too. And I'm just an average drummer!
if only the market wasn't as saturated as it is today. these guys had it good! not perfect, but the bar wasn't as sky high as it is today
You guys need a time machine pedal if you want to do sessions..those days are over.
Many gifted artists (not only musicians) are just not able to verbalize exactly what they are doing. Thankfully Tim is an exception :)
I always enjoy Rick's interviews, his enthusiasm is infectious, and he's obviously an extremely knowledgeable and accomplished guitarist as well.
This is seriously next-level stuff. I would've started this video out by saying to just practice first. You don't know what playing ahead of the beat or behind the beat means until you can play on the beat. I didn't realize I could play in the pocket until an esteemed musician friend gave me that compliment. I'm happy to have made it to that milestone, but I still have no idea how to play ahead or behind the beat. It took me 20 years to just play ON THE BEAT. When I watch a lot of video tutorials on "how to play song X", I'm always impressed by the ear training and the fingering. But I can almost always hear the lack of solid timing. I often hear them playing ahead of the beat I think, because they are not relaxed and maybe over-anxious. Anyway, I don't even know what my damn point was. Just keep practicing. And maybe Rick can give us a video about how to play ahead of or behind the beat.
Right on dude. I'm a guitarist and and we have similar reaching milestones too. It feels great reaching them.
I’m an amateur guitarist of many years and STILL play ahead of the beat. I only realise afterwards when I listen back in horror.
I am pretty high in neuroticism and pretty obsessed at times too, and for me it creates a lot of inertia in my writing, playing and producing. After years of basicly not being able to finish a single production, I finally let go and recorded mixed and released my first songs as best I could. I am now progressing much faster becouse of it, but boy it's hard to accept my shortcomings sometimes.
I feel very similar to what you’ve said here. I have to push myself to accept a few imperfections and just release the materiel already.
@@dakotawinston7677good luck to you🙂
@@dakotawinston7677 I don't know who first said this....if you wait until you think you're ready...it's too late.
Glenn, you got anything we can listen to??
Would love to check it out.
Yeah publish or perish eats the cake.. :)
People, take note -- everything in this conversation is pure gold. The nuance in timing, particularly how far back into the pocket everyone played, that Tim is talking about is, to me, the best-kept secret to understanding three decades of pop recording brilliance. Muscle Shoals, Nashville, LA, Memphis, Detroit, they all had this quality and it isn't talked about enough. The pocket shift forward that Tim talks about is one of the tragic developments in music and one of the subtle, profound reasons music doesn't sound as good these days even though the recording technology and technique of the players are higher than they've ever been. We really lost the warmth, feel...the humanity of pop music when the shift to the grid happened.
This is so interesting. When I used to gig that’s exactly what I discovered. Used to love being just a little behind then rush a little to end it where it needed or not rush it, and it sounded so good most of the time. But this could be very tricky and it’s a form of secret art. I didn’t know it was actually a concept once. Now I release it came to me unconsciously from all those records.
I really hope Rick makes a vid about this. There are many subtle things about music that make a big difference to how we relate to it. Talking about it is one thing but seeing a proper analysis with examples would demystify what’s actually different about today’s popular music and perhaps why it all seems so sterile.
So true, so true.
You mean QUANTIZING? Yes, I used to think MIDI and all things DSP were the greatest thing to happen to music production. I know think I got that completely backwards.
Beginner question -- what is the grid? I watched that section of the video a few times and I thought maybe they were referring to how forward/back the drums sound in the mix, but I'm guessing it refers to playing right on beat?
Edit: so it does seem like it's the beat -- so why is this a bad thing for pop music?
One of my favorite things I love about Tim is his combination of skill and humility.
When I was first learning guitar in grade school, nobody taught me to play with a light touch just behind the fret. I got so frustrated with the buzzing, etc, I quit playing. I am picking the guitar back up and working to change my bad habit of pressing too hard and teaching myself to play just behind the fret. Thank you for these great tips. Much appreciated.
It takes no pressure at all if you get it right and like you I was not told early on either. You can however be too close with classical guitars and change the intonation - my good classical guitar with go sharp, flat or just right depending upon where one frets.
Tim is humble. That lead solo in little runaway was one of the greatest solos of all time and deserves to be in the rock and roll hall of fame.
Thank you for this interview which shows that skilled labor in any field of work is at first glance appears to look easy, but behind the talent is using as little commotion as needed. Like a professional dancer there is no wasted motion or movement.
A good musician follows the same rules as keeping a good knife sharp which is to hone and sharpen it often.
Tim is one of the most likable guys around. they don't get much nicer. plus the insane talent and passion for his craft is so damn entertaining too!
I love it when my favorite TH-cam creators get together and just let the content go wherever it leads. Love the tips and the tricks I just picked up. Thank you Rick and Tim.
You two are such fun to listen to. I feel like I'm hanging out with the music friends I wish I had. ;)
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I agree 100%
Same here...
I am so honored to know you two, and I never cease to be amazed at your knowledge, experience, and enthusiasm. Thank you for all you both do!
Much as I like both, these collabs are phenomenal. I always feel I grow whenever I get to listen to these two masters exchange ideas.
This Seinfeldian interview worked great. And when Tim went into a Bruce Lee Moment with "you wanna be inside the drum kit" i knew i was watching something really special...
I love listening to Rick and how truly nice and spproachable the musicians he brings on his shows are......just wonderful.
'Falling in love with the instruments even more as we age!' So good to hear as I have come back from an indefinite hiatus. So glad to be back. Cheers.
Rick is an uncle I wish I’ve had, so passionate about music and all it’s parts. Enjoys it with others like him too!
That kind of performance is really remarkable. It didn't hit me as an aspiring music major until I got up against real competition and realized that my A game was what some of competition considered their C game. Tim on a bad day is still playing at 150% of almost anybody else. As you both have pointed out, there's no substitute for hitting the woodshed, but raw talent has to be there. Props to you both for these great conversations.
I'm 50 yrs old and a few yrs into my own guitar journey. Listening to this makes me wish I'd started 40 yrs ago. The Knowledge and enthusiasm you guys put across is second to none. 👏
Keep playing if you can. If work, family, illness don't get in the way, keep playing. 46-year-old late beginner here.
@@marcinbreczko4777 I agree wholly, loving the progression. Listening to these guys makes you realise the journey is endless whatever your age.
54 here and 3 years in......i can hear a song for the first time and play the riff by ear instantly....makes me wish i would have started in 1982, my life could have taken a different turn! But whatever, best decision ever and i'm having the time of my life, playing the songs i so love and creating my own noise😂🥹🎸🤘🎸
@@gearViewmirror i do not believe one word you say. because it's impossible.
@@BigEdWo I might add that i am completely obsessed! I am a carpenter and in the same time i have learnt to do my own guitar work, down to a full neck reset on a 12 string Yamaha acoustic of 35 years. I build my own jigs and tools and spend any free minute playing.
Oh, Tim is such a joy! Glad to see you two together.
Tim is a total class act - I love his enthusiasm and joy. Great video Rick - that was really fun.
A world of knowledge in this video. Tim talking about things most can only imagine and Rick being a top interviewer once again.
It has been so much fun finding out HOW MANY SONGS Tim has played on that have been in my playlists forever. Hear a great 80s song, Tim did the guitars, 90s, 00s, etc.
Love this!! The Rusty Anderson amp was a surprise to me. We had a mutual friend when he was making Undressing Underwater and I was in the process of setting up a home studio. He was a great resource for mic advice and gear choices. A very sweet man and so talented.
I love hearing Tim off the cuff! Dude is so motivational without even trying.
Rick, what you do is invaluable to musicians but wildly fascinating to those who just find it cool to learn about these things. you hit on all the important nuances about what people need to see and hear. Explaining what makes an artist an artist, and how they are unique like Sting for an example. Very illuminating. I appreciate it very much.
Either Tim has a great PR guy/girl that tells him "smile at the camera Tim" or Tim just likes to smile at the camera. These dudes are my generation artists, great talent, intelligent, amiable. Love Tim and Rick - been a subscriber for eons.
The humbleness is what I love the most!! I’ve been in the “business” for over 40yrs and 8 out of 10 times the folks that are true talent are kind and humble…there are however exceptions. Keep it coming fellas!! 🤘
Love this channel!
Rick always makes me feel like we are old friends, even though we've never met.
I know great actors create that vibe too depending on the actor/role,
but being a life long guitarist/musician around the same age as Rick, all the gear talk, interviews and stories, I can totally relate and it never gets old for me.
Get this: I don't play guitar. However, after watching and LISTENING to Rick's videos, I have gained an understanding of what is happening on that there fretboard. You have enhanced my perception and pleasure of the guitar. Sent all the way from Morecambe, England
Me too!!!😁
Tim loves his profession and it shows! Love watching him! And Rick always asks the right questions!!
This is one of my favorite podcasts. I was in a cover band with my grade school friends when we were in high school in the late 60s. Then I got married had kids and a career, but always had guitars and have been playing into my late 60s. I'm not a pro but I'm amazed that I understood everything these pros are talking about.
I wish Rick and Tim would take 20 guitar players under their wings and produce them. Be great to watch the sessions and see Tim and Rick interact with the guitar players. 12 year olds to 90 year old guitar players - I'd watch 'em. Be great if Buddy Guy was one of the 20 players - why not add a legend?
@@theBlondBrogre Me too! Just watched all your videos - you would be a great 1 of 20!
I'd love that! But only if Corey Heuvel was one of them! Even though I don't think that he needs any advice really, he is one of the best guitar players out there right now and writes really great iconic songs that become instantly your favourites. He deserves way more attention and their expertise is always much appreciated 🤘 there's nothing wrong with learning from another 😉 check out his Livestreams on Friday and you'll understand. Rock on, great music still exists
Sign me up!
Yep, would be a hell of a lot better than the manufactured crap Cowell et Al foist upon us
That was a really fun episode! Your interaction with Tim was stellar.
I’ve been a drummer all my life. No I’m learning how to become a bass guitar player. I bought an acoustic left-handed guitar because Rick got me so interested in music theory is a whole. Almost every TH-cam video that Rick puts out is just so inspiring I keep watching him I just can’t get enough. He has been there and lived this and he has these people on that have been there and did all this originally it’s so incredibly interesting I just can’t get enough.
While living in Los Ángeles I was fortunate to work with long time Tim’s friend ...the late Ramón Stagnaro, the nylon guitarist extraordinaire (even Tim made a video about him) and he was exactly what Tim is talking about here. He would come to my small sessions, independent artists with a super pro attitude. Pro sound and always in the pocket. He would go as “ play me the song as I’m setting up my guitar,...” then he would say again “..let me play the tune one way through it..” then 2 more tracks and ta-ta !!!...job done.
The problem....then I couldn’t select the lines ....all of them where pieces of art ....literally....a shame not letting them sound in the mix !!!
I miss you Ramon...we all !!!!!!!!!
These interviews with Tim Pierce are the best. I have learned so much. Thank you Rick & Tim.
Rick and Tim, two of the best players, teachers, and enthusiasts for all things music. Great interview.
One answer to this: Steely Dan.
Edit: Sorry guys, Rick changed the title of the video so now this comment makes no damn sense.
I love watching Mr. Pierce, talk about a happy face when he nails something. 🎸
Dear Rick and Tim - first, Rick, congratulations on your channel going from strngth to strength. Tim, I embarassed that - at 66 years old - I had never heard of you and then TH-cam's wonderful algorithm served me up your Mimisounds session and the Rick interview back-to-back. This is TH-cam - and social media - at its very finest.
Thank you both.
23:46 "I think we fall more in love with the things we loved originally." The take-away line from this video. Beautiful. And those are almost the exact same words my best friend said when getting back to roots buying vinyl, and re-listening to the music that got us into music.
Brilliant!
You two pull together your individual expertise and knowledge in a lovely enjoyable conversation of meaningful recollections and well interpreted personal wisdoms. Thank you!
In addition to being a fabulous musician, Tim's ability to capture the essence of a sound in English is admirable. Words like 'edible' to describe the sound of the old EJ/PRS head, 'shadow' to describe how a delay adds to the sound . He should write for a guitar magazine.
I don't think he could stand the loss of public esteem going from a musician to a writer.
I love Tim's view on the availability of the best equipment. It's cool to see someone so big in the industry say that he wants everyone to be able to have access to the stuff that the big time pros rely on. Personally, he's the reason I picked up the odr-1 a few years ago, and he's also the reason I got myself a danelectro roebuck too. I love hearing from the pros what things are actually viable and dependable in the field and on records. To me, I take solace in knowing that I'm using the same readily available tools as some of the greatest session musicians around. Like, I am CERTAIN that there are good sounds to be had if I put in the work as a player and hone my own craft. It's the same reason I bought a fender p bass as my first primary bass when I was in middle school lol. Give me steady Eddie reliability over "mojo" any day. Seriously, it's so incredible to me to see my modern heroes using stuff as their bread and butter and find that those things aren't priced out the ass or rare beyond imagination.
This is wonderful, I am a guitarist who has had a long hard and fucked up life worked my way off the streets of Long Beach california, and you know what saved me? playing guitar tbqh. thx for this wisdom!
Ive only just discovered his channel. Wow ! he can play anything ,note perfect and he seem like a decent guy
What a fantastic and exciting interview. I wish I could take part in this.
As a guitar player for over 25 years…muting string with your palms and fingers is really the key to a clean/reliable guitar player! 😅. Seriously! That kind of playing takes years to get down! Awesome video! Great advice. Your “brain/second nature” takes over after a while. 👍👍🍻🍻
Most professionals in any field who have reached the pinnacle to be considered the "best", are likely obsessive and a little neurotic...comes with being a perfectionist.
3 songs a day. New goal. I've been watching Rick and Tim for a bit now. I appreciate them both for sharing their knowledge and experience with us. It's definitely helped me become a better player and musician.
3 MILLION!!??!! That's amazing. Best content out there for guitarists. Haha down. And Tim is incredible. I've been watching and learning from his videos for years. Absolutely inspiring
just listening to you two, makes me feel "stressed" with the "heat" you guys had to take during your session work....it sounds like being in front of a firing sqad, not making music.....i'm glad nobody tells me what to do or come up with stuff when i play "at home".....cheers guys....🙂
a firing squad?? haha Jesus have some flipping perspective. It aint life or death its just making pop music
@@guitarreilly I'd imagine if someone's livelihood depends on it, it could be nerve-wracking. But yes, it's no war or life/death matter.
I have come into sessions where the producer was already having a bad week and was being a MAJOR A-HOLE from the time i walked in the front door... So I already am starting in a bad environment with lots of negative energy.... Blocking all that out and staying focused and positive is more work than the actual music making...
This was an incredible interview. Way to go guys.
This is why Jimmy Page was so far ahead of everyone when he out together Zeppelin. He had all that studio work under his belt and he applied his knowledge to those Zeppelin albums. He’s production skills are off the chart.
It helps that he is a god, rather than a mere human.
i realised (to some extend) what Jimmy's background was back then, but in a nutshell that was it......other bands at the time in the 60s "used" him for their records (beatles, Stones, the who and countless others), and when he started his own band these "artists"looked down on him and Zep because he was just "Jimmy" from the studio.....
True, but I still take Lennon and Bowie over Jimmy Page.
John Paul Jones had also worked as a session player and arranger for several years prior to Zep. He'd worked with Jeff Beck, Tom Jones, Donovan the Stones and many others. He contributed more than his bass playing to the Zep records.
@@crapple009 As singers.
I agree, Tom Bukovac is brilliant! I love his Homeskoolin TH-cam channel!
100% the best Tim Pierce interview I've come across.
Absolutely incredible! I am amazed every time I watch Rick Beato. That's not an exaggeration.
"I think we´re falling in love more with the things we loved originally" - very well put Tim!
Tim Pierce is one of my top-favorite guitarists; and, an enjoyable interview personality (best when teamed with Beato). There should be a contest where the winner gets to spend an afternoon with Tim in his studio to learn, listen, and laugh. Could you imagine what just one afternoon with Tim could do for most advanced-level guitarists who have plateaued in their growth? That's a contest I would bother to enter!
THIS! 👍🏼👍🏼
Sir, I do believe that you hit the nail right on the head.
I would eagerly jump into that one.
Man that sounds great 👍 🫡
Where do I sign up? 😊
I absolutely enjoy seeing you two in a video. Saves me time watching one video verse two! Also, I got so happy thinking Tim was in my hometown Bakersfield. Tarzania is awesome because you got Norm’s though.
I could listen to Tim talk all day long. Always entertaining, always enlightening. God Bless both Yall!
I can’t even remember how many records of mine Tim has played on. Like he said. The first take needs to be perfect. And it always is with Tim. Hey Rick!! JT.
The string muting thing is clutch! After all, the acoustic guitar started as a rhythm/percussion-type instrument, so muting strings and chop rhythms are how it all began!!! I, for one, have to work on the lighter touch -- I prefer vintage frets, so when I play a modern guitar with fat frets, I notice how hard I'm pressing, as some notes get a little messy or out-of-tune (although probably not noticeable to a non-musician).
It seems to me that session players are "composing on demand". The implication is that the only reason they don't "deserve" co-writer status, is that they are performing "work done for hire". In other circumstances, their names should be included on the copyright, and they should receive royalty payments.
I believe they should be credited for everything they do especially when they the studio for hire guy come up with the parts. Here we think it’s the band itself and in lots of cases that’s simply not the case. They kinda get ripped off that way if you ask me because literally that song would we hear on the radio or wherever without them. So many classics. And some of these song that they created made the artists literally millions of dollars.
I wouldn’t put them in as composers as their main job is to know their way around the chords. The writer writes the Chords, your job is to weave from one chord to another creating or even loosely mimicking the melody.
@@conartist267"your job is to weave from one chord to another creating or even loosely mimicking the melody", or, in other words, "composing on demand". At the very least "arranging on demand", which is equally deserving of copyright credit.
Anytime I think I am becoming a more proficient player, I see a video like this that reminds me how terrible I really am. Keeps me humble…
I know nothing from nothing as far as what you and Tim talked about, but it was still such a pleasure listening to the two of you!
Amen, brother!!!😂
If you aren't making mistakes, you aren't being "Creative". But there are times for creation and times for preci$ion. A Grammy nominated friend of mine once said, "Every time I see you play, I hear something I have never heard before, and I don't mean something I never heard "You" play before, I mean something I never heard anyone play before." There is a time to rely on your tricks, and a time to rely on your knowledge of the fretboard, and create sound, like painting colors on a canvas. If it ain't improv, it ain't art. 2 players come to mind... Satch and Vai. In the early days, Satch was simply a trick meister, stringing together licks he had perfected, but it wasn't creative and didn't impress me. Vai, on the other hand, painted sound colors, experiments, like throwing paint at a canvas. I'd much rather hear something I never heard before. Sadly, high-end guitar has become more of a sport, even a competition, like a Gymnastics Floor Exercise:) But having said all of that... Play The Song, play within the parameters of the song, play something appropriate, service the song, not your ego:)
I love you guys!!! The most phenomenal playing and theoretical knowledge; you both give such inspiration, education, and it’s so wonderful to see you both absolutely loving what you do and having such a great time!!! ☺️👍🏻
Another great interview. I have followed Tim for a long time and think he has such a wealth of info. Again keep it up Rick, "you da man".
I would love to see Rick interview Dave Matthews because I think that would be an incredible interview.
I agree. I'd love to see an interview with him and Carter Beauford. He's my favorite drummer.
If we are going to talk about music from the 90's and 2000's, not many bands could beat DMB in music and tix sales.
Tim Pierce from Toy Matinee! What an amazing album. Thank You Rick for having this conversation.
The best band ever!
The level of equipment and and their interchangeability is mind blowing to me!
Tim is one of a kind. So lucky we have him in the music industry.
This a great video. Watched it a few times. So much to learn.
I’m a bassist so I’m coming from their point of view about timing and drums.
I’ve been listening for a while about behind the beat etc. Years.
I’ve played in many bands. Not all but most it seems that the keyboard and guitar players do not listen to the drums or bass. As far as timing. They’re singing and playing in their own world.
Keys playing his version of time an accents. And the guitarist the same. So most of the time it’s three different accents or whatever going on. Bass and drums against the other two who aren’t in lockstep. I totally get when Tim said behind the best or follow the grid.
One band when were practicing I told them if everyone wou 42:30 ld hit in the middle of the beat it would be powerful. Guitar player laughed at my remark.
Not that we didn’t try to fix it.
Tim is too humble...He truly is one of the greats
My Marshall is a 1968 pre serial number 100. It has had a few valve changes over its 54 years but still on original capacitors. Tim understands.
Timmy Pierce was the perfect guitarist when he was in Rick Springfield's band! 👏 👏 👏
I definitely am a bit of a perfectionist but I will never be able to play without mistakes. Sometimes the mistakes end up being really cool parts though. Some of my best riffs I came up with because I hit a string or note by accident
Never say never. Practice.
Some of my best drum fills are spontaneous and then I cant remember exactly what I did 😅.
I love this discussion, but it really, really, really makes me realise why I only usually play my acoustic. All that kit! All those options! All that tweaking! I need simple or I'd be an even worse player than I am. And I'm pretty darned bad. :-)
Love the part about muting unused strings.... I've developed a technique where my 'pinky' comes up and mutes the sustain automatically. On fast note/chord changes. I can't even control it. :) It has a mind of it's own! Wonderful interview!
Yeah, lot's of players these days seem to tie stuff at the first fret to do the muting for them??
Is that what they are using those for? Makes sense. I'm a really sloppy player, but it seems like a muting device would just prevent you from learning the propper technique
My two favorite guys!
I love seeing the two of you together, i just love it.
All I know is this is a couple of All-stars sharing useful information!!! Fantastic and much appreciated video!!!