Why We Hate Phoenix
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2024
- #umvc3 #xmen #phoenix
#umvc3 #marvelvscapcom3 #vergil
ft. @Thatsthemixup and @Lythero !
The "Why We Hate" series returns with our next contestant, Marvel's own DARK PHOENIX.
Phoenix was so broken in the first iteration of Marvel Vs Capcom vanilla and they STILL managed to make her even more broken in Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3! Let's explore why.
Edits all done by @heefmvc ! Like, comment, subscribe, hit the bell if you like this format and want to see more of it!
Dark Souls Animation done by the amazing @StrayScythe !
/ iheartjustice
Join the discord and a meet a bunch of awesome people in our community =)
/ discord
To see my other platforms and questions about UMVC3 coaching -
beacons.ai/ihe...
Follow my amazing editors!
@JustSamual
@Heefnoff
@outsetlink
PHOENIX (derogatory)
But don't you use phoenix wright?
The new discriminatory term for jean gray players lmao
The two best reasons to do anything are spite and personal amusement.
Oh hi Mr funny man
@@olah547 Wright is "PHOENIX (affectionate)"
Not even Phoenix was willing to defend Phoenix...
just saying
That's cause Phoenix is guilty as FUCK
Could you blame the dude? In between getting whipped, tossed coffee on his face, having his hair cut, beads constricting his face that he would like to add getting burnt to crisp to the list of the shit he has to deal with?
@@FailureOfAName Pheonix fell from a bridge and got a cold, then got hit by a car and sprained his ankle (i think). I would not be surprised if he shrugged off Dark Pheonix
@@AliveAnt those are in the realms of human error, what dark pheonix isn't is human... not entirely anyway. So excuse Pheonix if he started running the absolute fuck away from dying to a mad god-like entity
A character so strong she creates origin stories for IRL people is CRAZY
she's a villain!
Mr. Wright is the good Phoenix everyone enjoys. Jean Gray is the bad Phoenix everyone has a hate boner for. Know the difference.
faccts
For every Dark Phoenix, there is always a Wright to restore balance to Mahvel.
I just picture the "HR meme" where Phoenix Wright is the good guy that you don't call HR on, but Phoenix is the fucked up guy that you speed dial HR as soon as they show up.
Turnabout Mode: "Cool, Fun, Funny"
Dark Phoenix Mode: "Cringe, Lame, Unfunny"
Mr. Wright is the Phoenix Right while Jean Gray is the Phoenix Wrong.
Capitalist Phoenix: my extra life
Socialist Soul Stone: *OUR* extra life
lmao
You know, maybe MvC:I isn't _all_ bad.
@@glacierwolf2155 this makes me think its even worse.
Just like Vergil in UMvC3, Capcom really wanted to make Phoenix Lore Accurate as hell.
i hate it
And that's why I love both
I was hoping there would be a comment like this! 😂😂😂😂
If Akuma is a Glass cannon, then Dark Phoenix is a Straw Nuke.
haha
@@exaltedfalcheon1793 straw*
@@torybeaudet3820 damn, didn't notice that mistake
I appreciate that unlike Vergil, none of the guys are willing to play Devil's advocate for Phoenix.
she stinky
Lythero joking about suffering a Canon Event in the Beast Gohan video, but then *actually relates his on-god fucking Canon Event* at the end of his first fighting game tournament.
it's crazy how things work out like that
I think that the Super Combo wiki's opener on the Dark Phoenix Rises section succinctly describes our collective reaction to this character.
"Oh no."
I had to look that up, holy shit they really did write that
i didn't know that LOL
I love fighting game wikis, the comments on moves are super funny
@@gamerkingmayathe064th5 One of UMvC3 Morrigan's pros: "I Want to Cry"
If you think that's funny go look at X-23's Silent Kill and Thor's Mighty Speech
The Vergil circle strafing Pheonix had me dying of laughter
it was such a funny ass edit haha
Me seeing the dragonball wish menu, " But Power though." 🤣
hahaha
When Phoenix uses Dragon Balls vs. when Vergil uses Dragon Balls:
@@IHeartJustice wait, so is Phoenix cheating because she's using the dragon balls to wish for immortality?
Dang dark phoenix is the reason why lythero become a god tier phoenix wright player
so true!
@@IHeartJustice only the real lythero would know
This is what happens whenever you tie into the Summers family, Cyclops was solid in almost every game he was in, Cable was Solid in MvC2 and Jean having both Married Scott and a Clone that had Cable. Of course she'd be a nightmare to deal with.
the entire bloodline being privileged is CRAZY haha
Cyclops is one lucky mf'er
@@glacierwolf2155 yet he constantly cheats on her in the comics so he's super lucky considering he constantly gets her back even through all his cheating
@@dennisbeaman958 I feel like half the time it isn't his fault, it is the fault of the writers who don't know what to do with the character, or are too afraid to explore deeper themes through him, so they just throw in some family drama to try making things interesting, as if this was some bad mexican TV show
When it comes to deciding which Phoenix to play in this game, there is only one Wright choice.
talk to em
PLAY "That Man."
"I NEED MORE SPITE!"
-Lythero wielding the Yamato in X-Factor LVL 3
haha
Moral of the story: Spite is the most powerful motivator and without it, you wouldn’t have met your best friends.
correct
For a moment, I thought you said Sprite and my mind went to the bit in RussainBadger's World of Warships video with all the Sprite cans.
"Why I hate" should be a series
you're onto something!
Well in defense of Phoenix players, they have to go to tournaments knowing that their actual life is on the line, surrounded by murderous intent.
"A small price to pay" - Thanos
That man dunking on Lythero post-tournament was the FGC equivalent of Nintendo ditching Sony for the CD-I. History was made that day, and only a select few at the time knew.
On Gary's recommendation, Zero needs to be up next here.
I feel that
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Zero. And before you accuse me, no, I'm not biased.
@@MegaManXPoweredUp Name checks out
Let's be honest here. The whole video would be a roast on Sogenmu.
@@glacierwolf2155 or the fact that he's arguably the best character in every fighting game that he has been in.
The Dark Phoenix looking at my Phoenix Wright with 3 pieces of good evidence and a dream:
god, the pain
spite. controls. everything. was such a raw reference LMAO
hahah we HAD to!
There's an easy way to differentiate the two Phoenixes in MVC. Ya got the terrifying Dark Phoenix and the lovable Dork Phoenix.
DORK
ALSO EXCUSE YOU THAT SICKASS BATTLE NETWORK SHIRT
Cultured.
BATTLE NETWORK MENTIONED!!!
CMON CAPCOM WE NEED SOMETHING PLEEAAAASSEEEE😭😭😭
@@teaboy0996 If you're absolutely desperate for something remotely similar, give one step from eden or duelists of Eden a try
TYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Phoenix players are the type of people who put the milk before the cereal.
Lolool
I’d say they eat the whole bowl of dry cereal, and then drink the glass of milk XD
Naw, they're the type that lights your cereal on fire.
It's meeeeee
They eat right out the cereal box and down the carton
The only mistake Capcom made with Phoenix is they didn’t give Akuma a Level 5 Shin Akuma mode just like Dark Phoenix where Akuma gets back up and challenge you with his full power. There should’ve been two characters in the game, one on each side, that had that type of Level 5 move.
that would've been neat
I would really like to see the Shenanigoons analyze more broken characters in various games! Great video Javi! ♥
right?? thank you so much!!
@@IHeartJustice You guys should collab with LordKnight.
I would love an episode on Kid Buu or S2 GT Goku.
Learned a lesson today: the spite buff is extremely powerful.
absolutely
Like I said elsewhere: There's two reasons to do anything: Spite and personal amusement.
The things I would pay to see for the ending of the spite story would be after that world-tour montage would be running up against that Phoenix player and saying,
"I *won't* be seeing you at the Smash Brothers Tournament," just to send that player into an anime flashback of his own demise.
FACTS
"Why we hate Haggar," but instead of a thoughtful discussion, it's just 10 minutes of DNO looping with bass boosted pipe sfx
wait he's cooking
9:10 Lee saying that and Gary cosigning with the Sanford Kelly line reminds me of this one time (Evo?) where Filipino Champ, probably the most infamous UMvC3 player for a variety of reasons, picks Dark Phoenix, the crowd _loudly_ boos, then F.Champ just grins, and does the "Yeah, that's right. Give it to me!" motion with his arms as his opponent is finalizing his team.
Also, 11:04 with Gary saying that it's game over if you fuck-up your Anti-Phoenix Tech(TM), I really felt that one. I play Spider-Man. He was one of the few characters that had Anti-Phoenix Tech(TM) in _Vanilla_ MvC3 (X-Factor > Ultimate Web Throw for the curious). I actually had a chance to put my new knowledge to the test, right? Landed an Air Combo, Phoenix pops, _I mistime the X-Factor,_ Phoenix then proceeds to sodomize me with a sadistic smile on her face.
I'm still haunted by that. I'm not a good player by any means, but still, it would've been one my greatest victories.
thank you for sharing that story fam!
@@IHeartJustice Yaaay, recognition!
I'm gonna dedicate my next trip to ROSS to the House of Justice. ❤️🤍💙
Love that Vergil is in the tags. You can never escape him.
never
haggar needs buffs i agree
this dude gets it
What's that? Give him a pipe that goes full screen? SURE THING!
TRUE
Give haggar an air dash
He needs an air dash, another jump, he needs to be faster, have more health, do more damage, an insta-kill-
The moment you get happy birthday'd by dark phoenix, you just go back to menu immediately.
FACTS
HAHAHA!!
"Anti-Phoenix Tech" is so funny.
My team has none!
I also have a secret reason and it is so funny:
I used to have to specify that I play "Wright" to avoid confusion so I started calling her "Jean Grey".
This is such a relatable PW main comment lol
X-Factor stands for
Phoenix-Factor
she has a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad match up to my team................
I hate Phoenix because she retroactively made me think that her treatment in the original X-Men show was justified.
She'd be way more balanced if she passed out after every combo till she hit Dark Phoenix tbf.
@@CornBreadtm1 she just fucking self-crumples after every button
@@CornBreadtm1 I feel like that would give her the Slaking effect, where she would be effectively useless without the right set-up.
WE'LL GET TO ZERO NEXT. right?
RIGHT?
@@IHeartJustice Nah, he's #1 so he's last~
Wait! You mean to tell me that a character named "Phoenix," named after the fire bird that REVIVES ON DEATH, has a gimmick where if she dies with max bars she revives?
No way! I could have never seen that coming!
FACTSSSSSSSSSSS
I mean, she doesn't just revive, she become one of those Mugen Edited characters.
Why we hate morrigan
Why we hate Zero
Why we love Doom
Why we love Phoenix Wright
Why we love Dante
For as evil as Doom is, he is _the_ homie of this game.
Problem: Dark Phoenix~
Solution: Vergil~
New Problem: Vergil~
Solution: Vergil~........wait a minute....
Solition doom morgan vergil or all phoenix and vergil
Bro shenanigoonz "why we hate (character)" is peak
blessss
We can excuse Vergil players, cuz Dmc is cool asf we are all deep down motivated to play him sometime, but Dark Phoenix has no motivation to be that evil
DAMN
I feel like the Chinese exchange student in class listening to people yap about a game I don’t play but I’m taking notes babyyyyy
Ditto, I just casually play Smash or Soul Cal but I love hearing these lads talk about this stuff
Kind words both of you!
@@IHeartJustice 😮 the boy!
I play Phoenix (Wright)
You play Phoenix (wrong)
We are not the same
talk to em
I'm dying
Javi using a Megaman Battle Network shirt... I can't believe people still remeber this series!
it's such a dope one though!
@@IHeartJustice it is, but some people just... Forget about it?
Also great vid as always
Because it was on GBA of all things, I feel you.
It’s funny as hell that Phoenix’s one major weakness is another Phoenix (of the Wright variety).
Second healthbar don’t matter when you have a turnabout in your back pocket
if only LOL
Always love how accessible these videos are, as someone who's fighting game knowledge is surface level. The jargon is easily explained, it's not overwhelming, and it's fascinating to learn
Also, I now see Pheonix players as those that use a blue deck from magic the gathering
Gets KO'd: "Counterspell"
That story about the Phoenix player at that tournament telling our boy "Good luck at the Smash tournament" awoke actual violent rage in me. Hearing that he actually traveled the world just to destroy that one player is pretty cathartic.
it's a beautiful tale
Honestly that last bit was jinda wholesome.
We met on a combined hatred of a single character. And now look at ya.
I can't wait for Zero tbo. I don't think he EVER been bad in a game he's shown up in...
Lythero being motivated by spite is so real
damn straight
"Thats an amazing argument."
*Thumbnail of the video*
"-However."
YUP
She'd just kill you
(Ciclops a lucky bitch)
"Why do all these players keep fighting Dark Phoenix at a distance, just get closer to her right when she transforms"
*My brother in Christ, she has burst.*
"What is burst? Why am I halfway across the screen, WHY DOES SHE HAVE LAND MINES?? THE ENTIRE SCREEN IS A HURTBOX"
I HATE IT
we can't control her
sure can't
I think the thing that I hate about her the most isn't entirely her fault, but with the advancement of TAC infinites in the meta, the entire risk/reward factor with her is gone. With her on anchor, you used to have to carefully consider if you wanted to cash out with the meter you have to ensure a kill, or save that meter in case you start getting bodied so you can pop Dark Phoenix. Now that line of thinking is completely gone because you can just do a TAC infinite with any of the most popular Phoenix teams to ensure a kill without spending the meter. TAC infinites overtaking the meta turned the smallest redeeming and interesting factor of her install into something players don't even consider anymore.
you are correct
F Champ Punching Air in the background this entire video lmao
lololo
Y'know high key, I could listen to you goblins describing anything inf ighting games for ages.
that's kind words fam!
@@IHeartJustice Just honest yall are a treat! Keep rocking with it
0:33 "But power tho"
someone said it bless
as someone that doesn't follow MVC3 too closely (still interested, just not that into it), I didn't even know regular phoenix is also busted because everyone just talks about dark phoenix
she's also SUPERRR good is what people forget
Well even in actual lore both are literally broken dark Phoenix actually wiped out all reality in a what if comic that wolverine place was swapped with Conan and accidentally caused her to go kill all reality route and wolverine was stuck back in Conan time and got happily married to a red head the Phoenix force literally can warp reality
13:36 "THEN SOMETHING JUST SNAPPED, SOMETHING INSIDE OF ME!!!"
AHHHHHHHHH
"but testament in xx can combo off of burst"
ok but zappa can literally randomly wakeup with a summon that just hits you when you're doing your oki ggxx is not a fair game
I can only imagine
The not teching side TAC is the perfect reason to hate Phoenix. Phoenix players lose to the dumbest shit all the time because they build so many awful habits. She is deceptively the worst character to pick up in the entire game despite being undeniably top tier.
this dude gets it
If you do a "Why we hate zero". My reason is the amount of time I have spent in-matches learning Zero just to learn 1 of if not the hardest character in UMVC3 that is my reason. I decided to learn not just him but Dante and Virgil (ZMC!) out of sheer spite against my friend just to finally get a win on him in this game. Don't get me wrong he is a great character, but OMG the amount of time I've put into just him, i felt i could have learned 3-5 more teams then just him. Great video I love your content keep it up!
he's a whole ass commitment but SO much payoff
That Megaman Battle Network tee shirt is fucking awesome, btw. Those games, Golden Sun, and Zelda were my entire childhood
thank you fam!
Extra/shin reason to hate Phoenix: She killed Sonic’s dad in X-Men 3.
NANI??
We hate Phoenix because he keeps presenting his badge instead of actual evidence
Oh you meant-
hah
You know what’s crazy all phoenix has to do is literally explode and she’s the most powerful unit that can counter even VERGIL
it's INSANE
Nah Vergil is more accurate
Phoenix is Gamer accurate
Lythero's comeback against the phoenix player needs to be a whole ass video. That shit reminds me of IHeart's comeback with fchamp
it's insane right??
Lmao I JUST watched Why We Hate Vergil and THIS shows up.
So good
we love to see it
I love watching you guys play MvC3 as someone who's only experience with hyper fighting games is Fighterz, So I greatly appreciate these videos explain how and why these characters are so feared in the FCG and the extensive history that surrounds them. Ya'll are the teachers, and I'm the one mf who's asking if there's any opportunity for extra credit. Great Video!!!
what a class response ty!
Dude out here with the Battle Network drip.
based comment
I like to hear more character analysis but I’d also like to hear individual videos about the three shenanigoons individually and their careers and how you met. It’s just very interesting and maybe taking about your overall team building process as well.
I appreciate the feedback!
The fact this video is longer than vergils is saying something
correct
Characters like Dark Phoenix make me glad I missed out on vanilla MvC3
she was apparently worse in that game lol
The Phoenix really were the friends we met along the way.
dammit
I have no idea how I got to this video, I don't even play fighting games, but damn this video was fun, great work! Love the format!
that's so amazing to hear fam!
this made me think about one of my favorite teams in UMVC3 which was Phoenix, Phoenix, and Frank West all the level up characters
INCREDIBLY hard team to play lmao
@@IHeartJustice it is but I can make it work most of the time but once I get all the evidence and Frank to level 5 it's a pretty easy win most of the time
Phoenix is a menace,
why dark phonix isnt a form super instead of the automatic resurection in the game i will never know.
Great topic fellaz, Looking forward to your inevitable 8-ing Hunter x Hunter game coverage.
( Lets hope they dont straight up copypaste phoenix onto Biscuit or something )
thanks for the support!
Oh, I thought we were talking about how we hate Phoenix as a comic character... Like, maybe I'm stupid, but I never really get Phoenix. Like, is Jean Gray just possessed or is she just under the influence of the Phoenix? And if she's as volatile as we're lead to believe, why aren't more continents leveled and villainous allies popped like balloons?
she sure popped tournament competitors like balloons
Ty for making the title WE and not just I.
we're all in this together
8:30 "If you hit Phoenix while _her_ projectile's on, it still stays on screen."
Oh god, it's just like KOF XI's final boss.
it's literally so toxic
“No Justice No Justice No Justice No Justice No Justice.”
-Lythero
NO JUST-
F I R E V I D E O G A N G
TY BASED ZYZX
When lythero talked about spite being a factor, I unironic felt that since I’m living purely out of it. That and other things but the spite is strong
it's a powerful motivator
@@IHeartJustice indeed it is
My secret reason for hating Phoenix is that if she was named Jean Grey, then people would stop needing to clarify between Phoenix and Phoenix Wright.
so true bestie
A "why we love" type video would be cool where you talk about cool characters
you get it!
She is the embodiment of “What doesn’t kill you…”
literally
Extra health, more damage, and these are bad things to be hated? That sounds awesome!
Grrrrr
I don’t know about you but she’s the original Broly. Bless Claremont in all his glory man
FACTSSS
I've seen some of Lythero's lobby shenanigans videos and made me want to get into FighterZ, GG, UMVC3, and I'm getting a laptop for my birthday, and I'm going to get those games on it :)
let's go!
@IHeartJustice Already got 2 characters in mind with Taskmaster or Ghost Rider, and Morrigan, I just don't know what 3rd I would want
Vergil and Dark Phoenix : Lore accurate domination masters
Ammaterasu, a Sun Goddess with legendary weapons and the power of the heavens : dominated by a space Raccoon and anyone with a gun.
this game is so sick
your editing is so fun thank you for taking the time to do this!!
THE GOAT HEEEF
I got really confused because I mostly watch comic videos on TH-cam so I thought you meant “why we hate pheonix” as in the character and I was like “no we don’t?”
hahah glad you could find your way here!
The editing on this is phenomenal I love it!
Viscant is the only Phoenix player that gets a pass
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACTS
Phoenix scares my sleep pyralisis demons away so she can take its place.
Lmao
Seeing lee with a knife will be in my nightmares
it's how I live every day
i just saw a video of someone telling your story about how you beat filipino champ TWICE using dark phoenix with Phoenix Wright
en espanol! saw that video, super talented content creator that guy
Ever since "UMVC3 is Broken", I can't see 0:52 without thinking *"JEEEEEAAAAAN"*
SCOTTTTT
You should do a "Why we love Phoenix (Wright)"
eyyyy
I meeeeaaaaann… a defense could’ve been made for Phoenix as to how the character’s theme song is really good😂🤷♂️(that is unless it doesn’t give you the worse form of anxiety and fear that there possibly could be in this world).
Oh! And how the voice actress did a very good job representing her👍
SOLID VA
@@IHeartJustice FR!😤🔥🥶💯🫡