*listens to the thrashed vocals period of Bob's career* Bob, I love you dearly. Please never push yourself that hard when you're sick again. Take care of yourself.
I'm 40, so I respect your choice to not turn into a Gen-X political whiner. I'm on the horrific cusp of seeing both Gen-X and elder millennials pivot back to the bigotry of 30-40 years ago. Good on you for staying human.
@@Conner-mx5jl Seriously? I mean I'll give you anti-fandom to SOME extent (THe word SOME doing major heavy lifting) but right wing? Dudes so far left he's about to leave the building through the Left Wing fire exit. Even if the Sonic movies were politically aligned with his beleifs 100% I doubt he'd be defending them ot his dying day because at the end of the day if the movie sucks (Which to Bob, these movies do) It's not worth defending because there's a billion other movies, shows, games, just stories in general that would align better with his tastes and it's worth more defending the good sh!t than just sh!t.
@@dragon1130 I think you misunderstood me, I criticize Bob because he's Left wing and I believe the the reason he shadow boxing everything is because he can't force a socially progressive left message on it.
I'm not the biggest Sonic fan, but he's given me more than a few good memories in my youth and the fact the three movies have hit over $1 billion shows a lot of other people feel the same way. There's a lot of worse things to gain pop culture prominence these days
Well I’m 33 and I can tell you right now that music drop at the end of sonic 3 gave me the same feelings as when cap says avengers assemble in end game.
@cormoranstrike1544 My biggest gripe with the Sonic movies are their emphasis on licensed pop songs over the iconic tracks from the games. Until Live and Learn in Sonic 3, the only instance of actual Sonic music is a cell phone ring tone gag. Which they repeat with Eggman's SA2 theme in Sonic 3. Wouldn't these movies be so much better if they used orchestral arrangements of the iconic chip tune tracks? Remixes if the Crush 40 stuff from the modern games? Like, that whole Robotnik dance scene would've been infinitely better if they just played his "I am The Eggman," theme. Play Green Hill Zone, play Sonic Boom, play City Escape. Instead of constant licensed music needle drops.
@@DoctorLazersright! Like granted I think that dance number was also a sign of things going wrong. Shouldn’t have happened. But if it had to license the music. Like Mario used some pop tracks but largely still used the game soundtrack. And that apparently on the official movie sound track the live and learn bit is under a minute? Come on!
@@DoctorLazers...To be fair, "Galvanize" by The Chemical Brothers is a great track, one likely chosen by Jim Carrey himself. After all, that's how Robotnik ended up dancing to "Where Evil Grows" by The Poppy Family in the first movie.
If your reviews of the sonic reviews weren’t filled with contempt for the sonic franchise and fandom, you wouldn’t gotten so much flak for them. Your sonic 3 review was filled with jabs at the sonic characters themselves and the fans
Bob loves to backpedal and say “I didn’t say that!” This is the guy who said “the console wars were my personal Vietnam.” Yet now is acting like that was just a joke and not something he wrote in his terrible book.
@@slashingkatie7872 Having said that, Bob seems downright restrained in his reviews of these movies compared to the way some do with the likes of Disney Star Wars or the Multiverse Saga.
@@LinkMarioSamusI also don’t how he misrepresents the backlash against the ugly sonic design as a harassment campaign when it was really just mass ridicule
So the thing that makes the Sonic movies work for my millenial generation, outside of a "They did the thing!" is totally on Jim Carrey hamming it up. Because he was the funniest fucking thing in our childhoods. Like the Ace Ventura films, The Mask, pretty much his entire comedy run from 1995-2005. So seeing that schtick again is very enjoyable in the same vein as seeing the rock band you loved as a teen on a reunion tour kind of way.
@@petermann673 Exactly, Jim Carrey is the selling point for me with these movies. And if he's serious about retiring, besides playing Robotnik, then it's the only Jim Carrey we're going to get.
For me the Sonic movies come down to three elements: Sonic himself, Jim Carrey as Robotnik, and Sonic's team (Tom in the first movie, Tails and Knuckles after that). In isolation I think all of these elements range from acceptable to good. Movie Sonic is a cool Sonic, I think they nail him. Jim Carrey is... I mean obviously he's the best actor in the entire franchise, that's why they had him play two parts in the third movie (also Agent Stone is a great henchman character, I like him). Tails and Knuckles are good, movie Knuckles is a riot and we love him. And I honestly think Tom is putting in just enough good points to get a pass. That's right, I like Sonic's adoptive dad. Where the Sonic movies struggle is having chemistry between them. Sonic 1 movie gives some good chemistry between Sonic and Tom, their little road trip was genuinely entertaining... but they utterly fail to establish any reason Sonic and Robotnik have reasons to hate each other, they just come together and fight in the climax. Sonic 1 climax fell completely flat. Sonic 2 movie tries its best to fix this: Sonic and Tails are good together, Robotnik and Knuckles make for a good double-act. But those two good parts come at the expense of Tom, he gets stuck in a terrible wedding comedy that contributes nothing to the plot. Sonic 3 strikes a nice balance early on -- Sonic team, Robotnik, the G.U.N. mysteries, the backstory and motivations of Maria and Gerald, most of that movie is good, but I feel it all kinda runs out of steam, trips on some very bad dialogue, and they rely on the stylish action to push everything over the finish line
@16:05 When by sheer accident, you pull an inverse to your own point, and make your own funny yet BADASS edit of clips to "Gangster's Paradise" that makes you NOT think of "The Sonic trailer" but "Man.... Movie Bob's editors, if it ain't him doing it himself, deserve some praise."
The whole "Ugly" Sonic is where I felt where people will think you have a bias against Sonic as a whole feels most pronounce where you rag on design and then complain of the overall reaction and those results. Also, fans are not responsible for shitty Hollywood capitalism. Sonic is the annoying chilidog eating younger brother to you Bob, that is all. Shitty Hollywood capitalism beside, "Ugly" Sonic use in Chip and Dales is one of the greatest saves and repurpose of a character design.
Tbh I don't know if Bob's necessarily complaining about people giving into fan demand so much as it is him being skeptical if redesigning the title character would somehow save the whole movie, and I had the same attitude prior to release. From what I gather the marketing also just stepped up once the title character was redesigned and saved the movie pre-release for many. Fwiw I didn't like the first movie at all but figured it was as respectful to the games as it could be without being a direct adaptation and hence I was somewhat fine with it on that basis. I did enjoy the second and third movies overall but they're not peak cinema or anything.
It's really funny that like, most of the time I agree with you Bob, but occasionally you just decide to swing bats at hornets nests for what feels like no good reason. Like your insistence that Venom isn't a good character. Anyway I disagree with you about the Sonic movies but hold no ill will. I hope you eventually come to your senses. (/joking)
Bob, if I may call you that, it's not that people are stuck in the console war when they say "You like Mario, so of course you hate this Sonic movie." At least I don't believe that. I think the bigger issue is that you basically felliated the Mario Movie when it was just a series of "Hey Gen Xers remember this?" moments and was just a mediocre affair that just left people kinda happy but I don't think anyone can remember that movie that hasn't watched it recently, and meanwhile say that the Sonic Movies are the worst thing ever because they do that and also make time to try to make a new story around it. I also think that you're wrongheaded in thinking these movies are focused on the Sonic franchise that you grew up with on the Genesis. Sure, it takes some aspects from it, but like, from Dreamcast and beyond, Sonic was set in the real(ish) world, and thus having humans around makes sense for the franchise. I dunno, I feel like raising the specter of being stuck in the past is blinding you to what the actual annoyances are of your fans, and kind of insulting to us all to think that this is a Console War thing when it's a "You don't even pretend to care to be informed about the series." I still like your content and don't hate on you specifically, but this video is a big thumbs down from me, chief, and I felt you deserved an explanation.
Yeah I really don’t get it but bob really has passion in attacking 90’s nostalgia when it had just as many icons as the 80’s . That’s why I listen to bob because I’m intrigued by his opinions but I often find he over brutal when it comes to something he doesn’t like. Like me a die hard power rangers can see how the 2017 wasn’t that good . But he is just brutal and saying it’s the most terrible thing on the planet . When it comes to his nostalgia being challenged he seems overly defensive. I saw a TH-cam video going over some of his past and it kind of answers some questions.
Yeah the console war hasn't been relevant since I was literally a baby, 3 decades ago. People don't like Sonic because we associate the series with a certain type of very enthusiastic 12-year-old, not because of a marketing strategy most of us are too young to remember
@@EyedMite yeah and he's every bit as immature as the comic-book chuds he claims to be against when it comes to the Sony Spider-Man movies. Like his embarrassing whinefest that was the ASM2 video could've easily come from one of those bad-faith alt-right trolls.
Because the Mario movie is about Mario stuff. It takes place in the Mario world, there's tons of stuff and characters from the Mario games, there's no random dance-offs, dress-up scenes, or Mario just riding in a car. The Sonic movies, _less so._
I do think it is silly how some people get combative over your Sonic reviews, but (at the risk of doing that exact thing) it is also funny how pretty much all of the (totally valid) criticisms you have for the Sonic movies can be applied to the Super Mario movie and yet your review of that is so glowing. As someone who finds all 4 of those movies to be very middle-of-the-road but decently enjoyable, the stark contrast in your opinions on them has always been very funny. Again, not wrong, just amusing.
@@lukepavitt4603 And that's totally cool. I'm not here trying to act like enjoying any of these movies is wrong or bad. That kinda stuff is toxic and I personally have little patience for it anymore.
well sonic kinda had a Uganda Knuckles shout out with Robotnik saying, "let me show you the way". Also this did inspire some people on TH-cam to make "terrible" alternate trailers of movies with Gangsta's Paradise
Bob's free to not like the movies, and that's completely fine (though I think there is still some trace of console war fanboyism, however much he insists otherwise). What's more interesting to discuss is the total 180 the movies have done for the series: what looked like (with the original 'realistic' design) a final nail in the coffin to a franchise 'past its prime', has turned into a sort of backdoor redemption machine for Sega. Mocked and memed characters like Knuckles and Shadow get massive glowups, with big name actors and sincere characterisations. The overly meta approach of the last decade in the games seems to finally be leaving in favour of 'yes, they may be dated, but who cares? That's the charm' earnestness.
@SavageBroadcast Movie Knuckles was never written as how Knuckles actually is written in the games since the Genesis Era. Shadow's game characterization never actually changed from his era to today and frankly he didn't have that much screentime in the movie.
@@galten7361 Hence why I said the characterisations were sincere: Knuckles isn't the total numbskull of the last decade, more like his old warrior self, and Shadow isn't just one long edgelord joke. Also, Shadow doesn't come from the Gensis era - not sure how that got in here.
@@SavageBroadcast You need to separate the fanon and non-game versions of Knuckles/Shadow from the actual games. That includes IDW. Knuckles was always treated as a fool by Sonic and easily played by Eggman in both the Genesis Era and Adventure Era. His image song in Adventure was him rapping about how he's way rougher and better than Sonic when he's not. He was never Worf from Star Trek: The Next Generation or Piccolo Jr. from Dragon Ball (the latter especially when it's linked to how fanon forces connections between Sonic and DB beyond what's confirmed). Shadow in the main canon games has never changed his characterization from how he was in Heroes (so he's terse and fine with brutally insulting his enemies and not friends with Sonic while his rival and has Rouge with Omega as his comrades in arms). A lot of the discourse over how Shadow is written in the games after the Adventure Era is clouded by non-game interpretations (see Archie and Boom) that make Shadow either more of a superhero ala Batman who actively works for G.U.N. full time and is friends with Sonic (Archie) or just a villain since he's without his story (Boom). That and fanon (Fanon Shadow is pretty much Benedict Cumberbatch crossed with a Steven Universe character and Batman and someone like Lelouch from Code Geass).
When I was about 9 or 10, they released a movie based on "Wing Commander," one of my favorite video games series' of all time. It is objectively terrible. I still watch it at least once a year for two of the "dog-fights between space fighters" scenes and that one moment where Tchéky Karyo yells "GIVE THEM A BROADSIDE, MR. GERALD" and the resulting wave of torpedoes fucking obliterates a Kilrathi destroyer. So, I get it, sonic fans. I really do...
I wonder how much of Sonic the movie franchise's continuing financial success can be attributable to the fact it was the last major film released before the pandemic caused all theatres to close down.
He's the pillar holding up the entire emotonal core of the franchise! When Sonic called him "Dad" I nearly cried! I was mad he didn't do it in Sonic 3.
Honestly, the only good thing about the Sonic movies is that it's letting Jim Carrey have enough fun that he's not entirely retired. ...I suppose if you're tired of "The Jim Carrey Character" that's not a good thing, but it's always nice to see actors having fun.
It's kinda like how people remember the 'let them fight' bit and Godzilla destroying the MUTO with atomic breath from Godzilla 2014, and the rest of the movie has vanished into the ether. Sometimes, all you need are a few really good parts to remember.
Well in hindsight, G2014 turned out to be a key turning point for both sides of the franchise - Toho wouldn't have made Shin or Minus One without it very publically reinstating the more serious version of the character (they've said as much themselves), and it washed away Zilla 98's reputation here.
...Okay I uhh... I don't think Bob understands why we like these movies. Yes, there's some parts that are super cool, but that's not the parts most people feel are what makes the movies so great. Ultimately, we find James Marsden likeable and find Schwartz and Carey (and Elba) hilarious. For a lot of people it's less about "oh, these are great video game adaptations" and more "oh, these are great Jim Carey movies." I know plenty of people who love these movies that haven't played a single Sonic game. Hell, my mom thinks the third, the one with the MOST cool stuff from the games, is the worst, because it got in the way of all the family-building mushy stuff of the first two.
The Sonic movies won me over, somehow. I was with Bob at first. I hated the first one. I thought the second one was marginally better and had fun scenes but ultimately still didn't click for me. But I had a ton of fun with the third one.
The first really isn’t a good movie. Like the good bits are the animation team with Sonic. Sonic 3 is probably the best one but I’m seeing people call these the gold standard if video game movies now and I don’t get it. Like did they not watch detective Pikachu, Illumination Mario, or Rampage?
@@DoctorLazers I could agree with that. Maybe slightly better than those. But not my that much. Honestly these are entering the Mission Impossible zone for me a bit. What makes them more special to people than other much better movies? And I actually like Sonic unlike MI. It’s just so weird
I think you might be a bit too hard on the Sonic movies, but not as hard as you could be. At least you don't have the same hate boner that you have for South Park applied to said movies.
Best song for a Sonic trailer would have been either "Kickstart My Heart" or perhaps the Reel Big Fush cover of "Take on Me". Sonic screams glam rock or ska to me. I agree with your Robocop 2 take and let's also shout out to the sequence where they are going through potential replacements for robocop as that sequence, for a brief moment, perfectly hits the same darkly comedic tone as the first film.
The only reason those movies get ahead is for the same reason anything sonic related survives: they acknowledge the fans. If they didn’t get that fan artist to remake the first one, they wouldn’t have the goodwill they get now
Honestly, I'm kind of neutral on Sonic. It's funny that this is the successful video game film adaptation franchise. I didn't even know there were people who wanted a rivalry between Sonic and Mufasa.
i'm just sick of Disney's general laziness when it comes to movies these days, first there was turning Moana 2 from what was a TV series into a sequel which was hard on animators who were not happy in the least to see Disney's animation crunching rewarded with high box-office returns, so it did give me some satisfaction to see the Mouse getting taken down a peg and showing that there is a limit to how much people are willing to take from Disney. Don't even get me started on their cowardice in regards to LGBTQ portrayals in their films and TV shows, from making Riley "less gay" in Inside Out 2(and them stupidly blaming the lesbian stuff in Lightyear for it's lower box-office)to refusing to air that one episode of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur(thank god it leaked)to outright changing a trans character into a straight girl in one of their upcoming shows, so I have zero sympathy for them right now. I am intrigued about that upcoming Lilo and Stitch live-action movie though. I'll bet Eisner deeply regrets giving over the reigns to a cowardly hack like Iger now.
@jadedheartsz That was more of an afterthought. And again, why would anyone want a rivalry? But more importantly, I'm wondering if there's any other studios taking notes on this franchise to figure out how Sonic succeeded where they failed cough coughunchartedassassinscreedcough cough
@@katherinealvarez9216 I wasn't asking for one in the first place but since the opportunity presented itself and because Disney has been such a letdown to me lately(especially with all of their capitulating to MAGAts they've done recently what with them giving up on the BS lawsuit against ABC and saying they are removing a trans character from an upcoming TV series because "parents should get decide whether kids are exposed to that sort of thing" which is basically equating being trans to depicting illegal stuff like drug use which is beyond offensive and sickening, seriously fuck Iger and the rest of the cowards in charge)i'll happily take pleasure in watching Disney's half-assed lazy prequel blow up in their faces. I for one thought the Uncharted movie was pretty good for what it was. AC film I honestly enjoyed more then the games, which never really grabbed me.
I think it was more that the artists got crunched to redo the design. The lower paid people shouldn't be overworked because of some c-suite jerks bad decisions. Anyone should have seen that the design was horrible from first glance.
@@SorceressHeart yeah and it's not our fault the c-suit pushed for that garbage design, we just told them we didn't like it. They could have just let the movie die.
@Undrave they definitely weren't gonna do that, not with a bankable ip. I found the first movie serviceable and largely inoffensive for what it was tho
@@SorceressHeart Usually producers have too much of an ego to admit to being wrong so being able to react to the public like that is pretty cool. They could have just dismissed the complaints as 'neckbeards on the internet' if they wanted to.
@Undrave that's a good point. I remember there was a conspiracy theory that the design was deliberately bad so that when they changed it, the "fans" would be placated and not pay attention to the actual movie. I don't belive that, but it's pretty funny
I don't but I can somewhat see the 'harmless fun' appeal. I feel most of the shticks get old fast. But the audiences seem to have fun with all this stuff.
The human parts are the best bit of Sonic 2 though. A gently racial fish out of water comedy where a father figure looks at three beautiful, shirtless adult men hugging and covering each other in champagne and says “Man, I wish my child had that. My child who is Sonic the Hedgehog”. Fucking amazing
I'd been hoping for this retrospective since Sonic 2. Would've liked the Mufasa/Sonic 3 video but that's fair. Thanks as always Bob! Hope we'll get through this year okay.
I'm a 33 year old kitchen cook who loves Sonic 3 with my whole being. But I also value MovieBob's opinion a great deal. I'm like a 12 year old at heart. Thus, I'm ultimately very easy to please with these things. So, for my part, hearing Bob's more grounded take, I find refreshing.
Lmao I love Robocop 2 though ngl. It continues the plots of the first movie and alot of the characters came back and the villain Cain and his crew was good. It definitely aint the first movie level but it's definitely enjoyable anytime I watch the two back to back. Hate Robotcop 3 though of course lmao
The Sonic movies are perfectly fine B movies for kids. It's not that they are actually bad, it's just that are average. Or rather they would be average if Hollywood was still making B movies. Which I think is the more interesting thing to talk about actually: The disappearance of mid-tier movie in general.
The Sonic movies are getting objectively better with each movie. Bob's ranting can only really be applied to the first film. Franchise films never have good story structure. Ironically Bob explained this in a video basically big CGI scene icelated are worked on before the story is written. It's designed to appeal to everyone even that part in sonic 2 it became a Tyler Parry movie. Bob is well spoken but he's also a thumb 👎
Seriously, going to the movie theatre in the 90s was a hell of a crapshoot! So many empty action movies, so many forgettable Oscar bait drama, sophomoric comedies, old sitcom adaptations for some reason, Tom Arnold, SNL guys trying to be Mike Myers... to say nothing of the Superhero movies. Sonic 3 would destroy a 1994 midwestern theatre goer.
B movies are not remotely the same thing as mid tier/budget films, in no era of cinema. Roger Corman would laugh at the idea of a 30-50 million dollar film as a 'B Movie'.
@@Conner-mx5jl The orange man is very bad and will ruin plenty of lives. I suggest getting lost before you keep embarrassing yourself over Sonic. Lmao.
I tend to see these as basically "Alvin and the Chipmunks" but with punching. The CGI animal stuff is cute, the human character stuff is tedious, the stories are inconsequential, and swap high-pitched song covers with baby's first DBZ fight scenes. And I guess that's...preferable, I guess.
I'm convinced that Gangsters Paradise is in the first trailer because they couldn't get the rights to Damn It Feels Good To Be A Gangster, which was a fairly infamous Sonic AMV from back in the day. I could be totally wrong, but it's better than any other explanation I've seen.
I'm late millennial. I saw the first one and thought I was ok. Haven't watched the sequels. I'm the guy who liked watching the goofy Sonic cartoon and serious one in the 90s when they were both on. I loved Clash of the Titans for the fantasy in it. Robocop trilogy I liked as a kid, I'm ok as an adult. I'm not fan as 3. Supergirl, I agree.
Ben Schwartz, the voice of sonic, is a sort of regular guest on Game Grumps. He’s a funny guy, so I’m partial to liking the Sonic movies. I have a movie theatre subscription. For all three Sonic movies, I was in Amsterdam playing Twilight Imperium, then I caught the sonic movie before catching a train home. It has become sort of a ritual, nothing like a nice, simple movie to unwind after playing one of the most complex boardgames out there!
Okay. I didn't bother with the first sonic movie. Mainly because I just didn't wanna see Sonic on some road trip with his human buddy. Sonic 2 I just didn't get the chance to see but it looked great....Sonic 3 though I saw in theaters and it Was just RIGHT. For what these movies are Sonic 3 worked within a framework that it was already locked into and Hit just right. It did what it needed to do
Bob... people think YOU are the one stuck in the console war. I highly doubt any of the ones saying you have a double standard when it comes to Nintendo and Sega actually care about any of that shit - they think YOU still care. Trying to deflect that back onto the people who said it is not the own you think it is.
Exactly. Im a sonic fan AND a mario fan, cuz i was born post-dreamcast flopping and thus to me sonic has always been a multi plat franchise with an at times nintendo exclusive leaning. Keep in mind games like Colors and Rush were DS and Wii exclusives Most Sonic fans are Nintendo fans and vice versa. The beef exclusively exists in Gen X guys like Bob trying to keep the spirit of it alive
The Sonic 2 review reminds me of a sentiment attributed to George Lucas, something along the lines of "Most plots are filler, but audiences can forgive filler if you nail the first five minutes and the last twenty minutes" (which if nothing else explains a lot about the Star Wars prequels).
"but I get why you look up from your phone in the theater and enjoy that part" Sounds like projection here, maybe you were on your phone and had to look up, but don't speak for the rest of us!
Look you can not be a fan of the Sonic movies. Just need to recognize that it’s a minority opinion and most of us came around to the franchise by movie 2. It actually works now.
He doesn’t have to do anything. It ain’t a discussion to be ‘won’. Anyone who can’t gasp disagreeing with folks isn’t ‘contration’ cause someone didn’t care for your personal nostalgia needs their head checked
It's not *just* nostalgia that gets people in seats for these films, Bob. The last Sonic game I played was Sonic 2 for the GameGear, so this film had absolutely no nostalgia value for me at all. The films are just *fun*. Are they amazing, 10/10 masterpieces? Fuck no. Are they a great way to spend 2 hours noshing on popcorn, laughing at jokes, and cringing at how ridiculous Robotnik is being? Hell yes.
@lordbritannic i love em both and I wasn't even a sonic/sega guy growing up. Sonic 2 and Knuckles were a ton of fun and I'm gonna watch 3 once it's available on streaming. Was actually really excited for the recent one between the snapcube fandubs and the earnestness the films take themselves at.
He has a review about The reboot,a compilation video about the She-Ra spinoff, and a big picture about the Kevin Smith series on his channel. And a fun bit involving He-Man in his Godzilla King of the Monsters review. It's all very fun!
Honestly I agree, the sonic movies aren't great, but they aren't total trash either. That being said when most video game movies are complete trash, sonic kinda shines, and it's just good enough imho. I also would rather see it over mufasa and i'm not a horror fan and the only other thing care to watch comes out at the end of this month.
I never played the sonic adventure games, shadow meant nothing to me before this film. Im now obsessed. I love sonic 3, i don't know why people hate this film so much. A guy i play magic with apparently walked out of this film. What am i missing?
As someone who has been on Bob's side for these films and frankly Sonic in general, I genuinely wonder how folks will look at these films in another couple of years. Like what you like if it's not hurting anyone at this point, I say; we're all struggling to survive.
I don't know what else to compare them to. Is there a mega toy or game franchise to be adapted to a mid movie, and then make hundreds of millions of dollars by being "alright if you are a fan"?
Yea when he goes into “i just dont think it’s good” when the point is he loves slop all the time and then quoting youtube comments like the one comparing him to the WW2 soldier in an attempt to gotcha people that “you are the console wars ones actually” when he admits he still has a hatred of the 90s and an obsession with his hobby being legitimized by the wizard - described in his book - it comes off as an insane cope
They're comparable to the earlier Singer Xmen films as far I am concerned, a lot of close but no cigar but ties into the zeitgest in the surprising ways
The one I most recently played was Sonic Jam The last one chronologically that I played was Sonic Mania I generally prefer 2D Sonic, I'm not really into the 3D ones
Feels like this series of films jumped off the 90s nostalgia too prematurely. We never got a Jaleel White cameo. I'm not saying he should Do the Voice or play a character, but you know have an Olive Garden scene where he turns around and shushes the main human guy as he's taking a call from Sonic. So easy. Not a single Olive Garden joke in movies 2 and 3 and that's a shame. Gotta own your roots.
SatAM and Underground were some wild shit. Watching these as reruns in the 2000s, I could at least link Adventures to what was going on in the games, but the other two were completely put of left field.
My issue with your Sonic reviews is that you've given far worse movies better reviews because they're "fun schlock." That's exactly what the Sonic movies are, and they've never even pretended to be otherwise, so why do those other movies get the "it's fun" pass, but the Sonic movies don't?
Listening to his reviews, it doesn't sound like he thinks the Sonic movies are fun at all. He seems to be more bored by them than anything. That may be the difference here. A "bad but fun" movie is worth watching, but a movie that you think is bad AND boring? No reason to watch that.
Yeah, the Sonic movies aren't "good", and I wouldn't say any of your opinions on them are wrong, per se, but you've been more charitable to worse movies. Your Sonic reviews have at times been directly confrontational with your audience, and you speak with an air of authority while being dismissive of and generally incorrect about the source material.
Surprised how nostalgic i got over the Game Overthinker intro. Kinda miss it and wish Bob still made it but im sure hes not as active in the modern gaming scene as some of his contemporaries, or doesn't have much to say about gaming that hasnt already been droned on about to death or else he'd be doing it still.
They did the same thing with Sonic that they always do: Sonic or the Smurfs etc always have to come to “the real world.” Why can’t they just set it in a fantasy Sonic world?
My theory is a good chunk of Hollywood is still very risk averse and scared to sink all that money in a predominantly CG, sonic and co centric movie so them coming to earth is how they "meet in the middle"
I mean, Transformers One finally ditched Earth and went fully sci-fi fantasy. It tanked hard at the box office for all the good reviews it got, so maybe the conventional wisdom isn't entirely wrong?
@@jadedheartsz From what I hear, they were all supposed to be set on Earth, despite the early games not looking like the real Earth. But it (and a lot of the “Sonic lore”) makes a bit more sense once you realize how much they’re trying to riff on Toritama’s Dragon Ball schtick but wirh a super-fast Felix the Cat as the protagonist. It’s a surreal version of Earth with bizarre landscapes and anthropomorphic animals. He turns “Super” with blond hair sometimes. It’s a whole thing.
Hey, I ain't mad at ya for not liking these movies... diff'rent strokes make the world go 'round. But for my part? I love Jim Carrey as Robotnik, and Keanu Reeves and Idris Elba knock it out of the park as Shadow and Knuckles. But hey, that's just me. You still rock, even when you're NOT trying to appease the eldritch godhead that is The TH-cam Algorithm. EDIT: Indeed, some of our favorite movies are dumber than a bag o' hammers. We're MSTies. We have an appreciation for schlock.
Since everyone is sharing... I have watched all the sonic movies, never gone back to any of them, but i did feel that the third lacked something compared to the second one, (but yeah, still better than one). I was watching shadow fight gun soldiers and felt, he should be faster than that. I saw the break into GUN HQ and wondered, why Knuckles didn't just do that in the first place? I was asking "how are they breathing on the moon whilst not super" (shadow is ultimate lifeform so whatever). And when they team up and fight the robots, it acts like its intense, but they are both Super, so none of the bots pose any threat, it is a massacre, not a fight. I'm 31, it's a kids movie. But if a movie isn't good enough to distract from such thoughts, that become shortcoming in ones mind when left to fester, then something is definitely not working with the movie I feel... and that makes be sad.
The point of that fight WAS that theyre essentially flexing, the threat was to find a way to deal with the exploding space station which even with their powers they couldnt stop on their own as it depowered Sonic and they needed Eggman to move the loser with Tails and Knuckles’ help
Lord, I hate to say it, but hearing the sonic/ Nintendo launch music at the start of the video wasn’t nostalgic to measure. I didn’t think I still had.
Already said it before: John Carpenter and James Cameron could both be trusted to spearhead a Sonic movie that actually represents the games' style and themes well rather than just do the MCU/DCEU meets E.T./Stranger Things with furries the Paramount films actually are. The RDA from Avatar alone are much closer to Eggman's game characterization as a tycoon who does stuff like make oil oceans or rip the world itself apart to build his utopia (which unleashed an eldritch monster). Paramount Eggman is pretty much DCEU Lex Luthor as a representation of urbane elitists and intellectuals who look down upon you played by a now 60+ Jim Carrey being what he's "expected to be." I wouldn't object at all if Carpenter and Cameron did something like merge characters or had a new take on the world or had it that Chaos Emeralds were made like Philosopher Stones in FMA. I actually think that enough of the fandom for the movies doesn't really expect anything more from the movies beyond "have enough characters from the games in them, characters act like meme/fanon version of the characters or like the ones from stuff like the MCU or Benedict Cumberbatch's stuff or an animu like Naruto or Steven Universe."
Okay, Bob. If you had said most of the first part, at the Sonic 3 movie review, I probably would not have pissed all that bile all over my comment. So, yeah, I agree; peace to you. Agree to disagree. You don't care for the movies; that is your prerogative, and I'm cool with that. You acknowledge you know why we enjoy the movies, too. If you just don't like them, then that's just how you feel, and you have EVERY RIGHT to that feeling. I simply just don't agree with it, but that is a fair and decent statement, with absolutely no more malice. And I'll admit, there were parts of all three movies that did make me go "why the fuck is this happening" at times. Dance scene in the first one, wedding scene in the second one, and kawaii scene in the third one, mostly. So, looking forward to the next review, Bob. As Crush-40 would say, "Live and Learn". Peace out.
@@maydaymemer4660 : It doesn't matter if he does, or if he doesn't. Since he and I are of the same era, I happen to think he does understand. Bob clarified his honest thoughts on the situation, and I find them perfectly acceptable. It's not healthy to dwell on the negative.
Literal 90s kid who was team sonic and was THERE when The Dream(cast) died.... .... yeah the movies are not great. Jim Carry as Robotnik is a delight but that's about it. Sonic going from a totally radical captain planet save the rainforest from the oil tychoons freedom fighter to a suburban ten year old who's dad is a cop is kinda lame. The parts with the normal humans SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK and all the films have to cut back to them to pad them out for two hours. "OH BUT THEY NEEDLE DROPPED THE SONG FROM THE GAMES! THAT MAKES UP FOR EVERYTHING!" no. no it does not. These movies are OKAY at their best but yeah I'd still rather watch the old Archie Cartoon.
Well point 1 is that you would love the third movie because it doesnt have any filler like the second film did, but point 2 is “hey i wanted sonic why am i forced to endure something else” is like the most common criticism of the dreamcast games lmao
I think Sonic fans are so accustomed to the games talking down to their audience, that they can tolerate a movie constantly talking to them like they're children.
I remember the counsel wars. I remember arguing with my friends who preferred SEGA. I thought we were just having fun, but turns out some people took it very seriously and brought it into adulthood.
I'm 38 so you think I'm probably too old for the Sonic movies but I actually love them the only thing I have a genuine problem with is that they're trying to make that cop dude like Sonic's dad in some way but here's the thing the Sonic that I'm used to is basically a late teenage vagabond homeless type of dude who never stays in one place at one time so in other words I'm familiar with the Japanese Sonic. The idea of thinking of Sonic as a child is just kind of bothering to me but if I ignore that and just have fun with the movies as they are then they're pretty good. They are what you call very typical family movies though although so was super Mario Bros so I like them all for the same reason they're just safe easy to watch schlock I guess. Get high have a little fun that's really about all there is to it
@TheRedlotusblossom The movies were made to more or less let Paramount have an answer to the MCU and DCEU. Sonic's characterization was made in them to more or less be a furry version of those films' protagonists (namely Erza Miller's Flash and Chris Pratt's Star-Lord).
As someone who unironically enjoyed Sonic 3 movie... no, you don't need to apologize for your review of it. It's hardly a flawless masterpiece, and it very much leans on style over substance during the final act
I like Bob's videos a lot of the time. Am I going to watch this overlong video about why the Sonic movie is imperially bad? No. This is a slip back into contrarian bob days. "The lion king movies are fine" is a take that he put out the same week that he reminded us "I think all sonic movies are trash". The truth is sonic has done 20Mill better in the box office and it is likely going to be the more popular one for kids to re-watch. I think it is weird they don't get both stamped with fine but I am not going to spend 45 minutes to find out why. Sonic is not bad enough to make jokes about how bad it is. It is self aware enough to dodge any criticism that remains. I hope this old man goes back to yelling at more interesting Clouds.
Or someone doesn’t care for sonic, friend. It’s not a complicated thought. I’ve never given the blue rat much thought so I dunno why anyone would expect me to care either.
@@oshkeet Nah, what he does is more than not caring. His Lion king review is not caring. He actively dislikes sonic and spends time doing it. Same with you. You spent the time to find me, a doof on the internet, and open connections. To tell me how much you do not care about sonic on a video about sonic. And you expect me to thing you don't care?
@@einootspork "Popular is good" is a fine argument. There are more than one way to value the quality of work but your opinion does not outweigh everyone else's. Your taste is yours, other people do not need to share it. Go ahead and watch movies by yourself. The internet lets people with super nich testes interact with each other.
86 percent on rotten tomatoes, literally the highest ranked video game movie and getting way better reception than mufasa a film from disney directed by the moonlight guy? come on, thats a W
Bob's never liked Sonic and that's ok, he's allowed to have his own opinion just like everyone else. I prefer the honesty on display here. Edit: just went back and listened to his Mario movie review and it's clear he doesn't like Sonic as a character or franchise but won't admit it to himself. The Sonic films are better as films than the 2023 Mario Bros film. That film does a better job of capturing the look and feel of the games but is very lacking in plot and character development.
I’d wager it’s because the Mario movie didn’t feel compelled to stick a human character in. If the Mario movie had been a mostly live action movie about a CGI plumber going on a road trip with, let’s say, Christoper MacDonald… it would have been shite.
What was the Mario Movie even ABOUT when you think about it? "Luigi's captured, let's do a little tour of the mushroom kingdom for some cameos and then win against Bowser without needing the Kongs anyway"? There's very little of what they DO that really matters and Luigi is just an after thought and still gets to join in on the final fight because double rider kicks are cool I guess? It's certainly not a 'cartoon character in the real world' movie and i looks good but that's about it for its advantages.
I known about movie bob in the 2010s when he was the game over thinker.. he's the dude who did how to redo Sonic to make him relevant again. So I already know he's not a Sonic hater.. I am curious to why he doesn't like these movies. I do believe in genre of having a CGI character mixed with a real world... the Sonic movies have done it the best. I think Bob put those types of movies in a box and this version of Sonic isn't his Sonic (and Robotnik). Because this isn't his Sonic, he doesn't care. I already accepted Bob won't like these movies, but I disagree those are bad movies. It's not my Sonic either, but there is a Sonic in there... even if he acts like a slightly older version of Dewey Duck from Ducktales. I'm also a 40 something year old and I hated Sonic Adventure.. I'm on the 2D sonic side.
*listens to the thrashed vocals period of Bob's career*
Bob, I love you dearly. Please never push yourself that hard when you're sick again. Take care of yourself.
I'm 40, so I respect your choice to not turn into a Gen-X political whiner. I'm on the horrific cusp of seeing both Gen-X and elder millennials pivot back to the bigotry of 30-40 years ago. Good on you for staying human.
Bob is the hero we need, and hopefully deserve.
Yeah thank god Bob isn’t a Gen-x political whiner…
@@DeusExCanis Bob is projecting here. If the sonic movies had some kind of anti- fandom left wing message he would defend it to his dying day
@@Conner-mx5jl Seriously? I mean I'll give you anti-fandom to SOME extent (THe word SOME doing major heavy lifting) but right wing? Dudes so far left he's about to leave the building through the Left Wing fire exit.
Even if the Sonic movies were politically aligned with his beleifs 100% I doubt he'd be defending them ot his dying day because at the end of the day if the movie sucks (Which to Bob, these movies do) It's not worth defending because there's a billion other movies, shows, games, just stories in general that would align better with his tastes and it's worth more defending the good sh!t than just sh!t.
@@dragon1130 I think you misunderstood me, I criticize Bob because he's Left wing and I believe the the reason he shadow boxing everything is because he can't force a socially progressive left message on it.
I'm not the biggest Sonic fan, but he's given me more than a few good memories in my youth and the fact the three movies have hit over $1 billion shows a lot of other people feel the same way.
There's a lot of worse things to gain pop culture prominence these days
Hawk tuat. Sorry....
Well I’m 33 and I can tell you right now that music drop at the end of sonic 3 gave me the same feelings as when cap says avengers assemble in end game.
@cormoranstrike1544 My biggest gripe with the Sonic movies are their emphasis on licensed pop songs over the iconic tracks from the games.
Until Live and Learn in Sonic 3, the only instance of actual Sonic music is a cell phone ring tone gag. Which they repeat with Eggman's SA2 theme in Sonic 3. Wouldn't these movies be so much better if they used orchestral arrangements of the iconic chip tune tracks? Remixes if the Crush 40 stuff from the modern games? Like, that whole Robotnik dance scene would've been infinitely better if they just played his "I am The Eggman," theme. Play Green Hill Zone, play Sonic Boom, play City Escape. Instead of constant licensed music needle drops.
@@DoctorLazersright! Like granted I think that dance number was also a sign of things going wrong. Shouldn’t have happened. But if it had to license the music. Like Mario used some pop tracks but largely still used the game soundtrack. And that apparently on the official movie sound track the live and learn bit is under a minute? Come on!
@@DoctorLazers I was fine with licensed music.
Even I got charged up when the needle dropped on "Live & Learn," and I used to be on Team "Shadow Sucks."
@@DoctorLazers...To be fair, "Galvanize" by The Chemical Brothers is a great track, one likely chosen by Jim Carrey himself. After all, that's how Robotnik ended up dancing to "Where Evil Grows" by The Poppy Family in the first movie.
If your reviews of the sonic reviews weren’t filled with contempt for the sonic franchise and fandom, you wouldn’t gotten so much flak for them. Your sonic 3 review was filled with jabs at the sonic characters themselves and the fans
Well said
@@MO-2018 Yeah I didn't like the first Sonic movie at all and even I think Bob's review of it is overly contemptuous.
Bob loves to backpedal and say “I didn’t say that!” This is the guy who said “the console wars were my personal Vietnam.” Yet now is acting like that was just a joke and not something he wrote in his terrible book.
@@slashingkatie7872 Having said that, Bob seems downright restrained in his reviews of these movies compared to the way some do with the likes of Disney Star Wars or the Multiverse Saga.
@@LinkMarioSamusI also don’t how he misrepresents the backlash against the ugly sonic design as a harassment campaign when it was really just mass ridicule
You got to admit the grandpa laserdance was pretty good
So the thing that makes the Sonic movies work for my millenial generation, outside of a "They did the thing!" is totally on Jim Carrey hamming it up. Because he was the funniest fucking thing in our childhoods. Like the Ace Ventura films, The Mask, pretty much his entire comedy run from 1995-2005. So seeing that schtick again is very enjoyable in the same vein as seeing the rock band you loved as a teen on a reunion tour kind of way.
@@petermann673 Exactly, Jim Carrey is the selling point for me with these movies. And if he's serious about retiring, besides playing Robotnik, then it's the only Jim Carrey we're going to get.
For me the Sonic movies come down to three elements: Sonic himself, Jim Carrey as Robotnik, and Sonic's team (Tom in the first movie, Tails and Knuckles after that).
In isolation I think all of these elements range from acceptable to good. Movie Sonic is a cool Sonic, I think they nail him. Jim Carrey is... I mean obviously he's the best actor in the entire franchise, that's why they had him play two parts in the third movie (also Agent Stone is a great henchman character, I like him). Tails and Knuckles are good, movie Knuckles is a riot and we love him. And I honestly think Tom is putting in just enough good points to get a pass. That's right, I like Sonic's adoptive dad.
Where the Sonic movies struggle is having chemistry between them. Sonic 1 movie gives some good chemistry between Sonic and Tom, their little road trip was genuinely entertaining... but they utterly fail to establish any reason Sonic and Robotnik have reasons to hate each other, they just come together and fight in the climax. Sonic 1 climax fell completely flat. Sonic 2 movie tries its best to fix this: Sonic and Tails are good together, Robotnik and Knuckles make for a good double-act. But those two good parts come at the expense of Tom, he gets stuck in a terrible wedding comedy that contributes nothing to the plot. Sonic 3 strikes a nice balance early on -- Sonic team, Robotnik, the G.U.N. mysteries, the backstory and motivations of Maria and Gerald, most of that movie is good, but I feel it all kinda runs out of steam, trips on some very bad dialogue, and they rely on the stylish action to push everything over the finish line
@@TARINunit9 Sonic should never have humies be in the main cast unless they're villains.
@@galten7361 I'm going to disagree there. Professor Pickle and Movie Tom are both fine supporting characters
@@TARINunit9 Pickle was never in the main cast.
@16:05 When by sheer accident, you pull an inverse to your own point, and make your own funny yet BADASS edit of clips to "Gangster's Paradise" that makes you NOT think of "The Sonic trailer" but "Man.... Movie Bob's editors, if it ain't him doing it himself, deserve some praise."
The whole "Ugly" Sonic is where I felt where people will think you have a bias against Sonic as a whole feels most pronounce where you rag on design and then complain of the overall reaction and those results. Also, fans are not responsible for shitty Hollywood capitalism.
Sonic is the annoying chilidog eating younger brother to you Bob, that is all.
Shitty Hollywood capitalism beside, "Ugly" Sonic use in Chip and Dales is one of the greatest saves and repurpose of a character design.
Tbh I don't know if Bob's necessarily complaining about people giving into fan demand so much as it is him being skeptical if redesigning the title character would somehow save the whole movie, and I had the same attitude prior to release. From what I gather the marketing also just stepped up once the title character was redesigned and saved the movie pre-release for many.
Fwiw I didn't like the first movie at all but figured it was as respectful to the games as it could be without being a direct adaptation and hence I was somewhat fine with it on that basis. I did enjoy the second and third movies overall but they're not peak cinema or anything.
It's really funny that like, most of the time I agree with you Bob, but occasionally you just decide to swing bats at hornets nests for what feels like no good reason. Like your insistence that Venom isn't a good character. Anyway I disagree with you about the Sonic movies but hold no ill will. I hope you eventually come to your senses. (/joking)
he seems to really hate anti-heroes
Bob has never liked edgy characters. Venom and Shadow are good examples of this
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Shadow's not edgy in Sonic 3. He's just hurt and broken.
Bob, if I may call you that, it's not that people are stuck in the console war when they say "You like Mario, so of course you hate this Sonic movie." At least I don't believe that. I think the bigger issue is that you basically felliated the Mario Movie when it was just a series of "Hey Gen Xers remember this?" moments and was just a mediocre affair that just left people kinda happy but I don't think anyone can remember that movie that hasn't watched it recently, and meanwhile say that the Sonic Movies are the worst thing ever because they do that and also make time to try to make a new story around it. I also think that you're wrongheaded in thinking these movies are focused on the Sonic franchise that you grew up with on the Genesis. Sure, it takes some aspects from it, but like, from Dreamcast and beyond, Sonic was set in the real(ish) world, and thus having humans around makes sense for the franchise.
I dunno, I feel like raising the specter of being stuck in the past is blinding you to what the actual annoyances are of your fans, and kind of insulting to us all to think that this is a Console War thing when it's a "You don't even pretend to care to be informed about the series." I still like your content and don't hate on you specifically, but this video is a big thumbs down from me, chief, and I felt you deserved an explanation.
Yeah I really don’t get it but bob really has passion in attacking 90’s nostalgia when it had just as many icons as the 80’s . That’s why I listen to bob because I’m intrigued by his opinions but I often find he over brutal when it comes to something he doesn’t like. Like me a die hard power rangers can see how the 2017 wasn’t that good . But he is just brutal and saying it’s the most terrible thing on the planet .
When it comes to his nostalgia being challenged he seems overly defensive. I saw a TH-cam video going over some of his past and it kind of answers some questions.
Yeah the console war hasn't been relevant since I was literally a baby, 3 decades ago. People don't like Sonic because we associate the series with a certain type of very enthusiastic 12-year-old, not because of a marketing strategy most of us are too young to remember
@@EyedMite yeah and he's every bit as immature as the comic-book chuds he claims to be against when it comes to the Sony Spider-Man movies. Like his embarrassing whinefest that was the ASM2 video could've easily come from one of those bad-faith alt-right trolls.
Amen, he should be ashamed.
Because the Mario movie is about Mario stuff. It takes place in the Mario world, there's tons of stuff and characters from the Mario games, there's no random dance-offs, dress-up scenes, or Mario just riding in a car. The Sonic movies, _less so._
I do think it is silly how some people get combative over your Sonic reviews, but (at the risk of doing that exact thing) it is also funny how pretty much all of the (totally valid) criticisms you have for the Sonic movies can be applied to the Super Mario movie and yet your review of that is so glowing.
As someone who finds all 4 of those movies to be very middle-of-the-road but decently enjoyable, the stark contrast in your opinions on them has always been very funny. Again, not wrong, just amusing.
Didn't watch either video, did you?
I don’t remember him being excessively positive about the Mario movie. I remember him saying it’s an okay kids’ movie.
@@AdamYJ he literally gave it a 9/10.
@ctrtoken I on the whole have consumed more Sonic media than Mario media, and I would score the Mario movie higher than Sonics.
@@lukepavitt4603 And that's totally cool. I'm not here trying to act like enjoying any of these movies is wrong or bad. That kinda stuff is toxic and I personally have little patience for it anymore.
9:20 the old GAMEOVERTHINKER intro music! I missed this!
well sonic kinda had a Uganda Knuckles shout out with Robotnik saying, "let me show you the way".
Also this did inspire some people on TH-cam to make "terrible" alternate trailers of movies with Gangsta's Paradise
Bob's free to not like the movies, and that's completely fine (though I think there is still some trace of console war fanboyism, however much he insists otherwise).
What's more interesting to discuss is the total 180 the movies have done for the series: what looked like (with the original 'realistic' design) a final nail in the coffin to a franchise 'past its prime', has turned into a sort of backdoor redemption machine for Sega. Mocked and memed characters like Knuckles and Shadow get massive glowups, with big name actors and sincere characterisations. The overly meta approach of the last decade in the games seems to finally be leaving in favour of 'yes, they may be dated, but who cares? That's the charm' earnestness.
Bob has made it clear as day he disdains the brand of 1990s/2000s edginess the franchise represents. There's basically nothing for him in these.
@SavageBroadcast Movie Knuckles was never written as how Knuckles actually is written in the games since the Genesis Era. Shadow's game characterization never actually changed from his era to today and frankly he didn't have that much screentime in the movie.
@@galten7361 Technically Shadow didn’t exist in the Genesis era.
@@galten7361 Hence why I said the characterisations were sincere: Knuckles isn't the total numbskull of the last decade, more like his old warrior self, and Shadow isn't just one long edgelord joke. Also, Shadow doesn't come from the Gensis era - not sure how that got in here.
@@SavageBroadcast You need to separate the fanon and non-game versions of Knuckles/Shadow from the actual games. That includes IDW.
Knuckles was always treated as a fool by Sonic and easily played by Eggman in both the Genesis Era and Adventure Era. His image song in Adventure was him rapping about how he's way rougher and better than Sonic when he's not. He was never Worf from Star Trek: The Next Generation or Piccolo Jr. from Dragon Ball (the latter especially when it's linked to how fanon forces connections between Sonic and DB beyond what's confirmed).
Shadow in the main canon games has never changed his characterization from how he was in Heroes (so he's terse and fine with brutally insulting his enemies and not friends with Sonic while his rival and has Rouge with Omega as his comrades in arms). A lot of the discourse over how Shadow is written in the games after the Adventure Era is clouded by non-game interpretations (see Archie and Boom) that make Shadow either more of a superhero ala Batman who actively works for G.U.N. full time and is friends with Sonic (Archie) or just a villain since he's without his story (Boom). That and fanon (Fanon Shadow is pretty much Benedict Cumberbatch crossed with a Steven Universe character and Batman and someone like Lelouch from Code Geass).
When I was about 9 or 10, they released a movie based on "Wing Commander," one of my favorite video games series' of all time. It is objectively terrible. I still watch it at least once a year for two of the "dog-fights between space fighters" scenes and that one moment where Tchéky Karyo yells "GIVE THEM A BROADSIDE, MR. GERALD" and the resulting wave of torpedoes fucking obliterates a Kilrathi destroyer. So, I get it, sonic fans. I really do...
I wonder how much of Sonic the movie franchise's continuing financial success can be attributable to the fact it was the last major film released before the pandemic caused all theatres to close down.
Tbf the first movie would have been even more successful if there was no pandemic.
Oh man, f**k the algorithm.
I knew things were bad on here.
I didn't know they were that bad.
To be honest I like the sonic movies because of James Marsden. He's a hard working character actor and I find him very attractive 😅
He's the pillar holding up the entire emotonal core of the franchise! When Sonic called him "Dad" I nearly cried! I was mad he didn't do it in Sonic 3.
Honestly, the only good thing about the Sonic movies is that it's letting Jim Carrey have enough fun that he's not entirely retired.
...I suppose if you're tired of "The Jim Carrey Character" that's not a good thing, but it's always nice to see actors having fun.
Always happy to see another post Bob. Your work is great :)
It's kinda like how people remember the 'let them fight' bit and Godzilla destroying the MUTO with atomic breath from Godzilla 2014, and the rest of the movie has vanished into the ether. Sometimes, all you need are a few really good parts to remember.
Well in hindsight, G2014 turned out to be a key turning point for both sides of the franchise - Toho wouldn't have made Shin or Minus One without it very publically reinstating the more serious version of the character (they've said as much themselves), and it washed away Zilla 98's reputation here.
...Okay I uhh... I don't think Bob understands why we like these movies. Yes, there's some parts that are super cool, but that's not the parts most people feel are what makes the movies so great. Ultimately, we find James Marsden likeable and find Schwartz and Carey (and Elba) hilarious. For a lot of people it's less about "oh, these are great video game adaptations" and more "oh, these are great Jim Carey movies." I know plenty of people who love these movies that haven't played a single Sonic game. Hell, my mom thinks the third, the one with the MOST cool stuff from the games, is the worst, because it got in the way of all the family-building mushy stuff of the first two.
The Sonic movies won me over, somehow. I was with Bob at first. I hated the first one. I thought the second one was marginally better and had fun scenes but ultimately still didn't click for me. But I had a ton of fun with the third one.
Funny. I sort of lost it in the third one...
The first really isn’t a good movie. Like the good bits are the animation team with Sonic. Sonic 3 is probably the best one but I’m seeing people call these the gold standard if video game movies now and I don’t get it. Like did they not watch detective Pikachu, Illumination Mario, or Rampage?
@KazeAizen On average, the Sonic movies are about as good as the Resident Evil franchise.
@@DoctorLazers I could agree with that. Maybe slightly better than those. But not my that much. Honestly these are entering the Mission Impossible zone for me a bit. What makes them more special to people than other much better movies? And I actually like Sonic unlike MI. It’s just so weird
@DoctorLazers Can't argue with that. Though at least each sonic movie seems to lead on from each other so far.
And this is how I found out Coolio died...
Man, which rock do you live under?
...how's the rent?
Funnily enough all I saw when I watched the Skarsgaard Nosferatu with the moustache was the Carrey Eggman
I think you might be a bit too hard on the Sonic movies, but not as hard as you could be. At least you don't have the same hate boner that you have for South Park applied to said movies.
Best song for a Sonic trailer would have been either "Kickstart My Heart" or perhaps the Reel Big Fush cover of "Take on Me". Sonic screams glam rock or ska to me.
I agree with your Robocop 2 take and let's also shout out to the sequence where they are going through potential replacements for robocop as that sequence, for a brief moment, perfectly hits the same darkly comedic tone as the first film.
there is "the bronce age", "the ice age" and "The age when Bob lost his voice"
That was rough.
The only reason those movies get ahead is for the same reason anything sonic related survives: they acknowledge the fans.
If they didn’t get that fan artist to remake the first one, they wouldn’t have the goodwill they get now
To be fair, they did do a Ugandan Knuckles joke in the second movie, but it was short enough to be forgivable 😅
How did they do that joke again? I forgot😅
I didn't like the Mario Movie, and I don't get why you gave it an 8/10.
Honestly, I'm kind of neutral on Sonic. It's funny that this is the successful video game film adaptation franchise. I didn't even know there were people who wanted a rivalry between Sonic and Mufasa.
i'm just sick of Disney's general laziness when it comes to movies these days, first there was turning Moana 2 from what was a TV series into a sequel which was hard on animators who were not happy in the least to see Disney's animation crunching rewarded with high box-office returns, so it did give me some satisfaction to see the Mouse getting taken down a peg and showing that there is a limit to how much people are willing to take from Disney. Don't even get me started on their cowardice in regards to LGBTQ portrayals in their films and TV shows, from making Riley "less gay" in Inside Out 2(and them stupidly blaming the lesbian stuff in Lightyear for it's lower box-office)to refusing to air that one episode of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur(thank god it leaked)to outright changing a trans character into a straight girl in one of their upcoming shows, so I have zero sympathy for them right now. I am intrigued about that upcoming Lilo and Stitch live-action movie though.
I'll bet Eisner deeply regrets giving over the reigns to a cowardly hack like Iger now.
@jadedheartsz I didn't mention Disney at all. I'm thinking about other video game film adaptations.
@@katherinealvarez9216 uh yeah you did, you mentioned Mufasa.
@jadedheartsz That was more of an afterthought. And again, why would anyone want a rivalry?
But more importantly, I'm wondering if there's any other studios taking notes on this franchise to figure out how Sonic succeeded where they failed cough coughunchartedassassinscreedcough cough
@@katherinealvarez9216 I wasn't asking for one in the first place but since the opportunity presented itself and because Disney has been such a letdown to me lately(especially with all of their capitulating to MAGAts they've done recently what with them giving up on the BS lawsuit against ABC and saying they are removing a trans character from an upcoming TV series because "parents should get decide whether kids are exposed to that sort of thing" which is basically equating being trans to depicting illegal stuff like drug use which is beyond offensive and sickening, seriously fuck Iger and the rest of the cowards in charge)i'll happily take pleasure in watching Disney's half-assed lazy prequel blow up in their faces.
I for one thought the Uncharted movie was pretty good for what it was. AC film I honestly enjoyed more then the games, which never really grabbed me.
It’s funny that Bob absolutely trashed Sonics design, but got angry when they actually changed it🍻
I think it was more that the artists got crunched to redo the design. The lower paid people shouldn't be overworked because of some c-suite jerks bad decisions. Anyone should have seen that the design was horrible from first glance.
@@SorceressHeart yeah and it's not our fault the c-suit pushed for that garbage design, we just told them we didn't like it. They could have just let the movie die.
@Undrave they definitely weren't gonna do that, not with a bankable ip. I found the first movie serviceable and largely inoffensive for what it was tho
@@SorceressHeart Usually producers have too much of an ego to admit to being wrong so being able to react to the public like that is pretty cool. They could have just dismissed the complaints as 'neckbeards on the internet' if they wanted to.
@Undrave that's a good point. I remember there was a conspiracy theory that the design was deliberately bad so that when they changed it, the "fans" would be placated and not pay attention to the actual movie. I don't belive that, but it's pretty funny
While I like the movies, I completely understand why people don’t.
I, too, enjoy them. But I can see why Bob and other people don't like them.
I don't but I can somewhat see the 'harmless fun' appeal. I feel most of the shticks get old fast. But the audiences seem to have fun with all this stuff.
The human parts are the best bit of Sonic 2 though. A gently racial fish out of water comedy where a father figure looks at three beautiful, shirtless adult men hugging and covering each other in champagne and says “Man, I wish my child had that. My child who is Sonic the Hedgehog”. Fucking amazing
Wholeheartedly agreed! It is exactly that! And then a justified bridezilla?!? Hell yeah!
@@Undrave buy it didnt tie into anything involving the actual main characters of team sonic, which ironically the first movie did
@@maydaymemer4660 "having a cop be Sonic's surrogate father who lectures him"
@galten7361 my guy thats a very uncharitable reading
@@maydaymemer4660 But it's what happens.
I'd been hoping for this retrospective since Sonic 2. Would've liked the Mufasa/Sonic 3 video but that's fair. Thanks as always Bob! Hope we'll get through this year okay.
I'm a 33 year old kitchen cook who loves Sonic 3 with my whole being. But I also value MovieBob's opinion a great deal. I'm like a 12 year old at heart. Thus, I'm ultimately very easy to please with these things. So, for my part, hearing Bob's more grounded take, I find refreshing.
Lmao I love Robocop 2 though ngl. It continues the plots of the first movie and alot of the characters came back and the villain Cain and his crew was good. It definitely aint the first movie level but it's definitely enjoyable anytime I watch the two back to back.
Hate Robotcop 3 though of course lmao
The Sonic movies are perfectly fine B movies for kids. It's not that they are actually bad, it's just that are average. Or rather they would be average if Hollywood was still making B movies. Which I think is the more interesting thing to talk about actually: The disappearance of mid-tier movie in general.
The Sonic movies are getting objectively better with each movie. Bob's ranting can only really be applied to the first film. Franchise films never have good story structure. Ironically Bob explained this in a video basically big CGI scene icelated are worked on before the story is written. It's designed to appeal to everyone even that part in sonic 2 it became a Tyler Parry movie. Bob is well spoken but he's also a thumb 👎
Seriously, going to the movie theatre in the 90s was a hell of a crapshoot! So many empty action movies, so many forgettable Oscar bait drama, sophomoric comedies, old sitcom adaptations for some reason, Tom Arnold, SNL guys trying to be Mike Myers... to say nothing of the Superhero movies. Sonic 3 would destroy a 1994 midwestern theatre goer.
@@Undrave I agree don't worry. Sonic 3 is great and Bob is a man baby virgin don't worry. He's still big mad about Orange man
B movies are not remotely the same thing as mid tier/budget films, in no era of cinema. Roger Corman would laugh at the idea of a 30-50 million dollar film as a 'B Movie'.
@@Conner-mx5jl The orange man is very bad and will ruin plenty of lives. I suggest getting lost before you keep embarrassing yourself over Sonic. Lmao.
I tend to see these as basically "Alvin and the Chipmunks" but with punching. The CGI animal stuff is cute, the human character stuff is tedious, the stories are inconsequential, and swap high-pitched song covers with baby's first DBZ fight scenes. And I guess that's...preferable, I guess.
I like the humans
I'm convinced that Gangsters Paradise is in the first trailer because they couldn't get the rights to Damn It Feels Good To Be A Gangster, which was a fairly infamous Sonic AMV from back in the day.
I could be totally wrong, but it's better than any other explanation I've seen.
Actually there was a gangsters paradise amv back in the day too
I'm late millennial. I saw the first one and thought I was ok. Haven't watched the sequels.
I'm the guy who liked watching the goofy Sonic cartoon and serious one in the 90s when they were both on.
I loved Clash of the Titans for the fantasy in it.
Robocop trilogy I liked as a kid, I'm ok as an adult. I'm not fan as 3.
Supergirl, I agree.
Obligatory comment to feed the algorithm
Sonic Underground made Sonic look like Samurai from Cyberpunk and I want that shift-deleted from my memory.
Ben Schwartz, the voice of sonic, is a sort of regular guest on Game Grumps. He’s a funny guy, so I’m partial to liking the Sonic movies. I have a movie theatre subscription. For all three Sonic movies, I was in Amsterdam playing Twilight Imperium, then I caught the sonic movie before catching a train home. It has become sort of a ritual, nothing like a nice, simple movie to unwind after playing one of the most complex boardgames out there!
Okay. I didn't bother with the first sonic movie. Mainly because I just didn't wanna see Sonic on some road trip with his human buddy. Sonic 2 I just didn't get the chance to see but it looked great....Sonic 3 though I saw in theaters and it Was just RIGHT. For what these movies are Sonic 3 worked within a framework that it was already locked into and Hit just right. It did what it needed to do
Bob... people think YOU are the one stuck in the console war. I highly doubt any of the ones saying you have a double standard when it comes to Nintendo and Sega actually care about any of that shit - they think YOU still care. Trying to deflect that back onto the people who said it is not the own you think it is.
Exactly. Im a sonic fan AND a mario fan, cuz i was born post-dreamcast flopping and thus to me sonic has always been a multi plat franchise with an at times nintendo exclusive leaning. Keep in mind games like Colors and Rush were DS and Wii exclusives
Most Sonic fans are Nintendo fans and vice versa. The beef exclusively exists in Gen X guys like Bob trying to keep the spirit of it alive
The Sonic 2 review reminds me of a sentiment attributed to George Lucas, something along the lines of "Most plots are filler, but audiences can forgive filler if you nail the first five minutes and the last twenty minutes" (which if nothing else explains a lot about the Star Wars prequels).
Man, I forgot how much I loved Game Overthinker. Hearing the intro music at the start of this really triggered me for that. 😄
"but I get why you look up from your phone in the theater and enjoy that part"
Sounds like projection here, maybe you were on your phone and had to look up, but don't speak for the rest of us!
Sounds like defensiveness here.
@nebularain3338 And?
yeah that's a problem Bob has always had.
@nebularain3338 wow cant believe someone would be defensive over being insulted
They actually did do a Ugandan Knuckles joke in the sequel. It's a quickie, but it's there.
Look you can not be a fan of the Sonic movies. Just need to recognize that it’s a minority opinion and most of us came around to the franchise by movie 2. It actually works now.
It seems like he _does_ recognize that, though…?
He doesn’t have to do anything. It ain’t a discussion to be ‘won’. Anyone who can’t gasp disagreeing with folks isn’t ‘contration’ cause someone didn’t care for your personal nostalgia needs their head checked
@ Tell that to Bob and the way he frames these movies.
It's not *just* nostalgia that gets people in seats for these films, Bob. The last Sonic game I played was Sonic 2 for the GameGear, so this film had absolutely no nostalgia value for me at all.
The films are just *fun*. Are they amazing, 10/10 masterpieces? Fuck no. Are they a great way to spend 2 hours noshing on popcorn, laughing at jokes, and cringing at how ridiculous Robotnik is being? Hell yes.
Dangerous Minds was also the plot of Sister Act 2 and all four Substitute movies. 😔
Still better than the Mario movie's.
Mario movie was a lot of fun. Don't know what you're talking about.
@ryanpervola163 it was a lot of fun. Almost as much fun as the sonic films.
@lordbritannic i love em both and I wasn't even a sonic/sega guy growing up. Sonic 2 and Knuckles were a ton of fun and I'm gonna watch 3 once it's available on streaming. Was actually really excited for the recent one between the snapcube fandubs and the earnestness the films take themselves at.
@@ryanpervola163 it was average at best, a generic 90 minute commercial for the games.
@@jadedheartsz spoiler: that's what they all are bud.
"Truce and peace to the Sonic Fanbase..."
Impossible.
"Peace was never an option."
Now i´d like you to talk about He-Man, after seeing that scene brought up
He has a review about The reboot,a compilation video about the She-Ra spinoff, and a big picture about the Kevin Smith series on his channel. And a fun bit involving He-Man in his Godzilla King of the Monsters review. It's all very fun!
Honestly I agree, the sonic movies aren't great, but they aren't total trash either. That being said when most video game movies are complete trash, sonic kinda shines, and it's just good enough imho. I also would rather see it over mufasa and i'm not a horror fan and the only other thing care to watch comes out at the end of this month.
Wow I don't know if I caught the Mac &n Me reference in the original video.
I never played the sonic adventure games, shadow meant nothing to me before this film. Im now obsessed. I love sonic 3, i don't know why people hate this film so much. A guy i play magic with apparently walked out of this film. What am i missing?
As someone who has been on Bob's side for these films and frankly Sonic in general, I genuinely wonder how folks will look at these films in another couple of years.
Like what you like if it's not hurting anyone at this point, I say; we're all struggling to survive.
I don't know what else to compare them to.
Is there a mega toy or game franchise to be adapted to a mid movie, and then make hundreds of millions of dollars by being "alright if you are a fan"?
@@Rocketboy1313 Mario
i mean it's been four years and they just seem to be making more and more money and getting better and better reviews
I think the pressure's getting to you, Bob. I get it though.
Yea when he goes into “i just dont think it’s good” when the point is he loves slop all the time and then quoting youtube comments like the one comparing him to the WW2 soldier in an attempt to gotcha people that “you are the console wars ones actually” when he admits he still has a hatred of the 90s and an obsession with his hobby being legitimized by the wizard - described in his book - it comes off as an insane cope
@@maydaymemer4660 I'm really growing to hate the word "slop"
They're comparable to the earlier Singer Xmen films as far I am concerned, a lot of close but no cigar but ties into the zeitgest in the surprising ways
Good comparaison! Only the trilogy keeps getting better :p
Well that depends what was the last sonic game you played
The one I most recently played was Sonic Jam
The last one chronologically that I played was Sonic Mania
I generally prefer 2D Sonic, I'm not really into the 3D ones
You didn't name the video Hedgehog Revisited to syllabically feel like Brideshead Revisited? Shame on you. Missed opportunity.
Feels like this series of films jumped off the 90s nostalgia too prematurely. We never got a Jaleel White cameo. I'm not saying he should Do the Voice or play a character, but you know have an Olive Garden scene where he turns around and shushes the main human guy as he's taking a call from Sonic. So easy. Not a single Olive Garden joke in movies 2 and 3 and that's a shame. Gotta own your roots.
Your review of sonic is my exact thoughts on all those boring King Kong Vs Godzilla... but you LOVE those movies with 2 minutes of okay action
SatAM and Underground were some wild shit. Watching these as reruns in the 2000s, I could at least link Adventures to what was going on in the games, but the other two were completely put of left field.
Triplets born, the throne awaits
A seer warns of a deadly fate
Give up your children, separate
Bide your time, lie in wait...
You don't take requests, but could you cover the debacle between Eon Productions and Amazon over the James Bond series? That seems up your alley.
My issue with your Sonic reviews is that you've given far worse movies better reviews because they're "fun schlock." That's exactly what the Sonic movies are, and they've never even pretended to be otherwise, so why do those other movies get the "it's fun" pass, but the Sonic movies don't?
Remember the praise he heaped on the Rampage movie?
Listening to his reviews, it doesn't sound like he thinks the Sonic movies are fun at all. He seems to be more bored by them than anything. That may be the difference here. A "bad but fun" movie is worth watching, but a movie that you think is bad AND boring? No reason to watch that.
Yeah, the Sonic movies aren't "good", and I wouldn't say any of your opinions on them are wrong, per se, but you've been more charitable to worse movies. Your Sonic reviews have at times been directly confrontational with your audience, and you speak with an air of authority while being dismissive of and generally incorrect about the source material.
nah they are good Bob is dead wrong.
Yeah this guy gave positive reviews to every Multiverse Saga movie until Quantumania...while giving No Way Home the lowest score of them. Sure man.
Could really do without seeing how the sausage is made in terms of being an internet reviewer on TH-cam in 2024.
Honestly, the Sonic movies I saw (1 & 2) are just so damn average. They’re not good but they’re not terrible either.
Fuck. I hadn't realized Coolio passed away... 😨
Surprised how nostalgic i got over the Game Overthinker intro. Kinda miss it and wish Bob still made it but im sure hes not as active in the modern gaming scene as some of his contemporaries, or doesn't have much to say about gaming that hasnt already been droned on about to death or else he'd be doing it still.
I like to call good parts of bad movies “Statue of Liberty Scenes”, after Ghostbusters 2.
What can you expect from a Mario fan.....
(Sarcasm on)
I can’t sneed
They did the same thing with Sonic that they always do: Sonic or the Smurfs etc always have to come to “the real world.”
Why can’t they just set it in a fantasy Sonic world?
My theory is a good chunk of Hollywood is still very risk averse and scared to sink all that money in a predominantly CG, sonic and co centric movie so them coming to earth is how they "meet in the middle"
I mean, Transformers One finally ditched Earth and went fully sci-fi fantasy. It tanked hard at the box office for all the good reviews it got, so maybe the conventional wisdom isn't entirely wrong?
because the recent films are based off the Sonic Adventure universe which was actually set on earth.
@@jadedheartsz From what I hear, they were all supposed to be set on Earth, despite the early games not looking like the real Earth. But it (and a lot of the “Sonic lore”) makes a bit more sense once you realize how much they’re trying to riff on Toritama’s Dragon Ball schtick but wirh a super-fast Felix the Cat as the protagonist. It’s a surreal version of Earth
with bizarre landscapes and anthropomorphic animals. He turns “Super” with blond hair sometimes. It’s a whole thing.
@@SavageBroadcast unfortunately, it's true, some people absolutely need human characters to connect to.
Hey, I ain't mad at ya for not liking these movies... diff'rent strokes make the world go 'round. But for my part? I love Jim Carrey as Robotnik, and Keanu Reeves and Idris Elba knock it out of the park as Shadow and Knuckles.
But hey, that's just me. You still rock, even when you're NOT trying to appease the eldritch godhead that is The TH-cam Algorithm.
EDIT: Indeed, some of our favorite movies are dumber than a bag o' hammers. We're MSTies. We have an appreciation for schlock.
Since everyone is sharing...
I have watched all the sonic movies, never gone back to any of them, but i did feel that the third lacked something compared to the second one, (but yeah, still better than one).
I was watching shadow fight gun soldiers and felt, he should be faster than that. I saw the break into GUN HQ and wondered, why Knuckles didn't just do that in the first place? I was asking "how are they breathing on the moon whilst not super" (shadow is ultimate lifeform so whatever). And when they team up and fight the robots, it acts like its intense, but they are both Super, so none of the bots pose any threat, it is a massacre, not a fight.
I'm 31, it's a kids movie. But if a movie isn't good enough to distract from such thoughts, that become shortcoming in ones mind when left to fester, then something is definitely not working with the movie I feel... and that makes be sad.
It's Sonic canon lore that Sonic can breath in space, it's not that complicated.
@Undrave Can "breath" in a vacuum, yet he needs air under water?
The point of that fight WAS that theyre essentially flexing, the threat was to find a way to deal with the exploding space station which even with their powers they couldnt stop on their own as it depowered Sonic and they needed Eggman to move the loser with Tails and Knuckles’ help
@@lukepavitt4603 Apparently! Canon's weird.
Lord, I hate to say it, but hearing the sonic/ Nintendo launch music at the start of the video wasn’t nostalgic to measure. I didn’t think I still had.
Already said it before: John Carpenter and James Cameron could both be trusted to spearhead a Sonic movie that actually represents the games' style and themes well rather than just do the MCU/DCEU meets E.T./Stranger Things with furries the Paramount films actually are.
The RDA from Avatar alone are much closer to Eggman's game characterization as a tycoon who does stuff like make oil oceans or rip the world itself apart to build his utopia (which unleashed an eldritch monster). Paramount Eggman is pretty much DCEU Lex Luthor as a representation of urbane elitists and intellectuals who look down upon you played by a now 60+ Jim Carrey being what he's "expected to be."
I wouldn't object at all if Carpenter and Cameron did something like merge characters or had a new take on the world or had it that Chaos Emeralds were made like Philosopher Stones in FMA. I actually think that enough of the fandom for the movies doesn't really expect anything more from the movies beyond "have enough characters from the games in them, characters act like meme/fanon version of the characters or like the ones from stuff like the MCU or Benedict Cumberbatch's stuff or an animu like Naruto or Steven Universe."
are you doing a bit?
@@maydaymemer4660 Do you have an argument
@galten7361 i like Cameron but he hasnt done a good film in like 20 years
@@maydaymemer4660 What does that make the Sonic movies then
@galten7361 i mean Sonic 3 was rad idk what to say
Okay, Bob. If you had said most of the first part, at the Sonic 3 movie review, I probably would not have pissed all that bile all over my comment. So, yeah, I agree; peace to you. Agree to disagree. You don't care for the movies; that is your prerogative, and I'm cool with that. You acknowledge you know why we enjoy the movies, too. If you just don't like them, then that's just how you feel, and you have EVERY RIGHT to that feeling. I simply just don't agree with it, but that is a fair and decent statement, with absolutely no more malice. And I'll admit, there were parts of all three movies that did make me go "why the fuck is this happening" at times. Dance scene in the first one, wedding scene in the second one, and kawaii scene in the third one, mostly. So, looking forward to the next review, Bob. As Crush-40 would say, "Live and Learn". Peace out.
He still doesnt really get it
@@maydaymemer4660 : It doesn't matter if he does, or if he doesn't. Since he and I are of the same era, I happen to think he does understand. Bob clarified his honest thoughts on the situation, and I find them perfectly acceptable. It's not healthy to dwell on the negative.
Literal 90s kid who was team sonic and was THERE when The Dream(cast) died.... .... yeah the movies are not great. Jim Carry as Robotnik is a delight but that's about it. Sonic going from a totally radical captain planet save the rainforest from the oil tychoons freedom fighter to a suburban ten year old who's dad is a cop is kinda lame. The parts with the normal humans SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK and all the films have to cut back to them to pad them out for two hours. "OH BUT THEY NEEDLE DROPPED THE SONG FROM THE GAMES! THAT MAKES UP FOR EVERYTHING!" no. no it does not. These movies are OKAY at their best but yeah I'd still rather watch the old Archie Cartoon.
theyre based off the dreamcast titles and japanese lore, which didnt feature any of that
@@maydaymemer4660 The Dreamcast games also don't stop to cut back to a dumb sitcom wedding for an absurdly long period of time but there ya go
Well point 1 is that you would love the third movie because it doesnt have any filler like the second film did, but point 2 is “hey i wanted sonic why am i forced to endure something else” is like the most common criticism of the dreamcast games lmao
I think Sonic fans are so accustomed to the games talking down to their audience, that they can tolerate a movie constantly talking to them like they're children.
No, people are accustomed to BOB talking down to EVERYONE. Sonic was Designed for anyone not everyone
bro it's a movie literally made for eight year olds
I remember the counsel wars. I remember arguing with my friends who preferred SEGA. I thought we were just having fun, but turns out some people took it very seriously and brought it into adulthood.
Super mario was k movie. The appel was how they going make the surreal world of super mario no be like the old live action movie.
I'm 38 so you think I'm probably too old for the Sonic movies but I actually love them the only thing I have a genuine problem with is that they're trying to make that cop dude like Sonic's dad in some way but here's the thing the Sonic that I'm used to is basically a late teenage vagabond homeless type of dude who never stays in one place at one time so in other words I'm familiar with the Japanese Sonic. The idea of thinking of Sonic as a child is just kind of bothering to me but if I ignore that and just have fun with the movies as they are then they're pretty good. They are what you call very typical family movies though although so was super Mario Bros so I like them all for the same reason they're just safe easy to watch schlock I guess. Get high have a little fun that's really about all there is to it
@TheRedlotusblossom The movies were made to more or less let Paramount have an answer to the MCU and DCEU. Sonic's characterization was made in them to more or less be a furry version of those films' protagonists (namely Erza Miller's Flash and Chris Pratt's Star-Lord).
As someone who unironically enjoyed Sonic 3 movie... no, you don't need to apologize for your review of it. It's hardly a flawless masterpiece, and it very much leans on style over substance during the final act
I like Bob's videos a lot of the time. Am I going to watch this overlong video about why the Sonic movie is imperially bad? No. This is a slip back into contrarian bob days. "The lion king movies are fine" is a take that he put out the same week that he reminded us "I think all sonic movies are trash". The truth is sonic has done 20Mill better in the box office and it is likely going to be the more popular one for kids to re-watch. I think it is weird they don't get both stamped with fine but I am not going to spend 45 minutes to find out why. Sonic is not bad enough to make jokes about how bad it is. It is self aware enough to dodge any criticism that remains. I hope this old man goes back to yelling at more interesting Clouds.
Or someone doesn’t care for sonic, friend. It’s not a complicated thought. I’ve never given the blue rat much thought so I dunno why anyone would expect me to care either.
@@oshkeet Bob has no clue what he's talking about when it comes to Sonic.
@@oshkeet Nah, what he does is more than not caring. His Lion king review is not caring. He actively dislikes sonic and spends time doing it. Same with you. You spent the time to find me, a doof on the internet, and open connections. To tell me how much you do not care about sonic on a video about sonic. And you expect me to thing you don't care?
People who bring up the box office as some kind of metric for quality are so weird. "Popular therefore good" is not a real argument.
@@einootspork "Popular is good" is a fine argument. There are more than one way to value the quality of work but your opinion does not outweigh everyone else's. Your taste is yours, other people do not need to share it. Go ahead and watch movies by yourself. The internet lets people with super nich testes interact with each other.
😊What!? Sega would never surrender!
Oji-san...
For a Sonic fans, a 6 or 7 out of 10 review is masterful compared to what the franchise usually gets from critics, so they take whatever they can get.
That's tough but fair.
86 percent on rotten tomatoes, literally the highest ranked video game movie and getting way better reception than mufasa a film from disney directed by the moonlight guy? come on, thats a W
Bob's never liked Sonic and that's ok, he's allowed to have his own opinion just like everyone else. I prefer the honesty on display here.
Edit: just went back and listened to his Mario movie review and it's clear he doesn't like Sonic as a character or franchise but won't admit it to himself.
The Sonic films are better as films than the 2023 Mario Bros film. That film does a better job of capturing the look and feel of the games but is very lacking in plot and character development.
I’d wager it’s because the Mario movie didn’t feel compelled to stick a human character in.
If the Mario movie had been a mostly live action movie about a CGI plumber going on a road trip with, let’s say, Christoper MacDonald… it would have been shite.
@@ronburgundy9771 Mario's a human :p it's literally why the Princess givs him the time of day! :p
What was the Mario Movie even ABOUT when you think about it? "Luigi's captured, let's do a little tour of the mushroom kingdom for some cameos and then win against Bowser without needing the Kongs anyway"? There's very little of what they DO that really matters and Luigi is just an after thought and still gets to join in on the final fight because double rider kicks are cool I guess? It's certainly not a 'cartoon character in the real world' movie and i looks good but that's about it for its advantages.
Amazing, every part of that sentence was wrong.
@Undrave please tell me you’re not actually this stupid…
Never seen it, never played it. Assume there's a hedgehog called Sonic; have fun w/ that.
So you have no opinion and decided to waste your own time telling people about it?
@trise2033 just commenting for Bob & the algorithm tbh
I known about movie bob in the 2010s when he was the game over thinker.. he's the dude who did how to redo Sonic to make him relevant again. So I already know he's not a Sonic hater.. I am curious to why he doesn't like these movies. I do believe in genre of having a CGI character mixed with a real world... the Sonic movies have done it the best. I think Bob put those types of movies in a box and this version of Sonic isn't his Sonic (and Robotnik). Because this isn't his Sonic, he doesn't care.
I already accepted Bob won't like these movies, but I disagree those are bad movies. It's not my Sonic either, but there is a Sonic in there... even if he acts like a slightly older version of Dewey Duck from Ducktales.
I'm also a 40 something year old and I hated Sonic Adventure.. I'm on the 2D sonic side.
Based and Bob-pilled.
God I miss your Game Overthinker persona
Ngl, I kinda missed the Salty Bob videos