PROJECT MINI DRAGON | How to Treat and Acclimate Red-Eyed Crocodile Skinks (Tribolonotus gracilis)!

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  • In today's video, I wanted to cover how to acclimate and treat/medicate your new pet crocodile skink! This guide will work for red-eyed crocodile skinks (Tribolonotus gracilis) and white-eyed crocodile skinks (Tribolonotus novaeguineae). Many of my viewers reach out, expressing difficulty with their skinks. I wanted to make this video in hopes that I can hopefully help you have the highest chance of success acclimating crocodile skinks!
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  • @Reptiliatus
    @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I sincerely hope this video helps you learn about how I have been able to successfully acclimate crocodile skinks (Tribolonotus sp.) and how you can too! Remember to answer today's Question of the Day, and a special thanks goes to all my Reptiliatus Channel Patrons for their additional support! For more information on how to support this channel, check out www.patreon.com/Reptiliatus

  • @cara9648
    @cara9648 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I think using paper towels for quarantine is the better option because it helps keep things clean and poops are easy to spot and monitor. As for the QOTD, I don't know that I ever want to breed animals. I agree, captive bred is the way to go in purchasing reptiles and I appreciate the effort put in by those who do so.

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Absolutely! I’ve tried both and it just makes way more sense! Even for preventing a new parasite cycle. Thank you!

    • @cara9648
      @cara9648 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Reptiliatus Yes, that is another good reason!

  • @mirjamwegner963
    @mirjamwegner963 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The Mini Dragons are so cute and lovely! ❤

  • @eyeballpirate5274
    @eyeballpirate5274 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video! But now I think it would be good to follow up with a video about what to do when someone purchases a captive bred crocodile skink. Keep up the good work!

  • @ymeyers6225
    @ymeyers6225 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I feel like there needs to be more captive bred Emerald Tree boas (either locality). I’m interested in getting one eventually but definitely don’t want wild caught.

  • @gatherformagic
    @gatherformagic 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just got a job at my local pet shop and we have one! thankfully the people I work with and am employed by know their stuff and practice excellent husbandry. It's such a treat to get to see this beautiful creature each day.

  • @503menagerie3
    @503menagerie3 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I absolutely love this kind of content. As much as we should focus on captive bred animals unless we are attempting to breed species to make them more available in the hobby, the fact remains that animals ARE taken from the wild. The very least we can do is everything in our power to ensure their successful transition to captivity. Excellent video as always.

  • @KelpGamez
    @KelpGamez 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    this video was awesome thanks for letting me learn more about this species its awesome

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad you enjoyed it! I appreciate you watching and commenting!

  • @SkyeSpider
    @SkyeSpider 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don’t know if you were aware, but Magic: the Gathering just revealed the main characters of an upcoming set. The world is all animals and one of them is a red eyed skink! I immediately thought of you and had to share. This video reminded me. Even if you’re not a fan of the game, you should look it up. The set is called Bloomburrow and it looks like the skink will be a wizard 🤓

  • @kacylong4588
    @kacylong4588 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love your Project Mini Dragon. Red Eye Crocodile Skinks are such beautiful creatures! To me, more needs to be done for Tokays. I see many wild caught on the market. They are so underrated just because of their attitude. I love my Tokay, attitude and all.

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you so much! Agreed! They are such great animals!

  • @catfrog1975
    @catfrog1975 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you so much for this honest and detailed video! I feel like it is educational far beyond mini dragons to show the process of bringing in a WC lizard.
    Personally I know I lack the expertise to ethically breed animals, and I don't want to keep enough to gain that expertise. So although it's exciting to see others' large collections and breeding efforts, the focus of my reptile keeping is probably going to stay "providing the best care and enrichment I can" to a small number of animals. :)

  • @MikeyAware
    @MikeyAware 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This has been such a nice project to follow along with. And the ways you handle your reptiles are something for everyone in the hobby to aspire to.
    For the question of the day: Phelsuma Barbouri and Phelsuma Malamakibo the 2 known rock dwelling species.
    Living in the highlands they require a very high temperature variation from day to night to thrive. They would require a separate room with airco or a basement.

  • @jaklynns_exotic_critters
    @jaklynns_exotic_critters 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just got a captive bred female from joshs frogs here in Michigan! Now i need to find a captive bred male.

  • @llyndadaley8360
    @llyndadaley8360 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thanks for the information, love how you treat your animals.

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! 🙏🏼 I do my best!

  • @theArdenHart
    @theArdenHart 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As far as which species need to be bred more in captivity. Emerald Tree Skinks. I just got my first pair about a month ago, and already I've bonded super deeply with them. I've never seen a reptile do the little foot dance that puppy dogs do, because they're SO excited to hop out of the enclosure. They sometimes hop onto the floor but they never really run away, and half the time if I put my hand in front they'll hop up on their own. They are still in the US at least primarily wild caught, it took me forever to find this pair of CB babies in my area, but they are already my favorite reptile.

  • @stevem8131
    @stevem8131 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Props to you for taking such care to show how to take care of these amazing creatures. It's imperative that we get these captive bred in the future. I understand that you have to first collect captive specimens, no way around it. Keep up the great work, and I will continue to adore these reptiles through your vids.

  • @The_northern_critter
    @The_northern_critter 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Allways wantes skinks but have not made our mind up on to what species! These guys are incredible an your work with them is allways interesting to watch

  • @khaze7696
    @khaze7696 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is an interesting series

  • @MLjungros
    @MLjungros 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bought a captive bred little cutie last year. A baby.
    It took almost 2w until he ate.
    Since he endoured a lot i didnt want to stress him more. So i let him, just changed water.
    Bought another baby 3 months later, they live together now. Both doing good.
    Thank you for helping, watched all of your videos 😁

    • @ettinakitten5047
      @ettinakitten5047 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do they seem happier together?

  • @sarg2369
    @sarg2369 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love your project mini dragon! Such a wonderful thing you are doing for the species! Thank you for sharing Dayan 💕

  • @ChantalsCritters
    @ChantalsCritters 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video as always. I was nice seeing you at the Toronto expo.

  • @lauriefulk3812
    @lauriefulk3812 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hope you feel better soon. They are the cutest little things, I look forward to them growing up.

  • @petercho8910
    @petercho8910 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Newts and Salamanders most people don’t keep them as pets. I love them and one of my favorite Red Eyed Crocodile Skink.

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great animals to work with! Couldn’t agree more!

  • @MOONOVERMIAMI
    @MOONOVERMIAMI 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hello great video information Dayyan

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you!

  • @charlie_moorcroft
    @charlie_moorcroft 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love this video

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! I’m so glad!

  • @anthonysaitta2421
    @anthonysaitta2421 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The cheeky “Bobs your uncle” slipped in there. Taking notes from Adam I see 😂

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lol I've been saying Bob’s your uncle for years. My family is Australian. We're all just copying Aussies 🤠! Adam has good taste too 😉

    • @anthonysaitta2421
      @anthonysaitta2421 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Reptiliatus 😂😂

  • @sherrilvollmer4477
    @sherrilvollmer4477 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dayyon, love this video. Also love all your videos. They are so interesting and I learn so much. Love ya friend ❤❤

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're the best! Thank you so much for your support!

  • @Reddressblckfmnn
    @Reddressblckfmnn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awhh...my croc skink also have that fungus,that my fault but greatful has healing and she still alive and healty❤love to see the update

  • @juliejennings8055
    @juliejennings8055 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent video!

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you very much!

  • @OctoBud
    @OctoBud 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love these little guys, if I had more space I'd get a pair but just got an aussie water dragon and he takes up a lot of space.

  • @tyliful
    @tyliful 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great advice.

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you!

  • @Tom-repgeck
    @Tom-repgeck 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! Thank you for taking the necessary precautions and showing them. I had to do Ceftazidime injections for both my Veiled Chameleon (he HATED it) and recently for my 22 yr old leopard gecko! My gecko didn't mind the injections at all. QOTD: not really sure 🤔 maybe more ball pythons?? 😅 Totally kidding. Another great educational video! Thank you!

  • @Sherributtrfly
    @Sherributtrfly 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A particular type of reptile. Lol I have fallen in love with Tokays! Trying to remember if Tiki and Torch are yours. I think so. I love them!

  • @terratarot01
    @terratarot01 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You put those worms through a spin cycle lol

  • @k.l.manring2083
    @k.l.manring2083 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The babies play r&b on adorable they are too cute to be real

  • @TrSkel_
    @TrSkel_ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Perfect time for the upload lol I just got one last weekend I got them a pretty good set up but I don’t think they’ve found the worm dish yet it’s eaten a super worm and a few small crickets but it’s only eaten those cause I put them right in the hide with them. It pooped yesterday and has been drinking plenty of water tho!!!

    • @RichBenares
      @RichBenares 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I just got mine too.. I put it one of my 12x12s (I know it’s small) but it hasn’t eaten yet, after this video I’m thinking of moving her to a bin if she doesn’t eat in the next few days…

    • @TrSkel_
      @TrSkel_ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yeah probably a good call might do that for mine too@@RichBenares

  • @pumpkinchow
    @pumpkinchow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have a captive bred female that has been laying eggs she’s 4 1/2years old now she was one of my holdbacks. I unfortunately have to sell off my croc skinks to make room for different projects. So I have few available 1male and 3 females if anyone is interested. There’s videos of them so you can see they are captive bred I’m just located in US in Pennsylvania and really don’t want to ship them I prefer pickup for the safety of them. I really wish you could take them for your project mini dragon and if you want them I’d donate them to the project because I know they are going to a great home and that’s all I care about. Well I hope everyone has a great day and wish you all the best 🙋‍♂️✌️

  • @hazey6140
    @hazey6140 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really want to work with Gekko smithii! Beautiful species!

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You should!

  • @menopimezzo
    @menopimezzo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yea, Riopa fernandi are hugely underrated... I wish there were more cbs in the game

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Very true! So underrated! Beautiful skinks!

  • @rachaels8leggedwonders448
    @rachaels8leggedwonders448 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    QOTD: my current passion project, Kenyan Zebra Skinks! I have two subadult pairs. These animals are amazing and so social! The males will climb right out on you. There needs to be more of them out there! 😊

  • @channel3gaming447
    @channel3gaming447 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How often should the container be sprayed or misted in a setup like this durring quarantine? Love your videos thank you for your sacrifice to help create a captive community of the red-eyed crocodiles. It's not always easy I've learned...

  • @nathanalfaro4783
    @nathanalfaro4783 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think a alligator snapping turtle goes over looked.. Maybe it's size.. Who knows... but that would be cool to see

  • @mtak5543
    @mtak5543 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would say all strophurus species are underdrated( spinytail geckos)

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely!

  • @MatthewNelson-pi3tl
    @MatthewNelson-pi3tl 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As far as the QOTD is concerned, I don't want to actively breed anything at this time and I don't know very many that need to be done like that. I know its best to get captive bought animals so I would honestly say any that need to be saved from being removed from the wild.

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I respect that! Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

  • @Danijack1203
    @Danijack1203 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

  • @annmariewilso3016
    @annmariewilso3016 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How long do you Quarantine your newcanimals? Donyou recommend 30 days or more? My dream project is geckos like the lesser known Leaf tail geckos & chameleons (smaller ones) . I love what you do thank you!

  • @pinto1590
    @pinto1590 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    QOTD = Skinks. Specifically Emerald Tree Skinks and Schneider Skinks. I really want Schneider Skinks.... So, if you have any leads, I would appreciate it. ;-) Also, those Egyptian sand geckos you have are super cool. So, that could be a thing too.

  • @brendapatterson7123
    @brendapatterson7123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My passion project would be Crocodile Skinks and Emerald Tree Skinks. I adore both species but don't own either.

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wonderful choices!

  • @jgfishing27
    @jgfishing27 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We need more Petrii & Bombina orientalis in the hobby! I got this tho 😉

  • @MovieMan184
    @MovieMan184 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would probably do like tegus or sonething like that! I was going to ask will you do a video about the leopard gecko cohab issue that seems to be going around over Adam Wickens! 😢

  • @DeChane369
    @DeChane369 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In my area it’s hard to find chohoua geckos but the ones you do find are captive bred but I still would like that. I also would love to breed Taiwanese beauty snakes, they’re hard to come across and they’re absolutely gorgeous snakes. I feel like beauty snakes in general aren’t recognized enough and are hard to come across let alone the Taiwanese ones

  • @felixtheswiss
    @felixtheswiss 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You start picking up Adams vocab.

  • @ettinakitten5047
    @ettinakitten5047 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Advice on telling whether or not an allegedly captive-bred animal is actually captive bred? My thoughts are to ask for records on their infancy - eg baby pictures, feeding charts, etc - or information on parentage (can I meet or see pics of their parents?). Would that be a good strategy?

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Absolutely! Investigate into the captive bred claim!

  • @corypeterson7502
    @corypeterson7502 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a question . I just got a pair of male and female red eyed croc skinks , and I know humidity needs to be around 70/85% , is it okay to run a fogger all day to keep the humidity where it needs to be? Or should I only run it for so long ? Thank you

  • @jessiandjamesalexander8412
    @jessiandjamesalexander8412 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What kind of container do you use for your scorpions? Wanna get one but not sure what to keep it in.

  • @amgcrossley8019
    @amgcrossley8019 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hope you don't feel too bad about taking wild-caught specimens. With the incredible work you're doing it's definitely a necessary evil to support a stronger, healthier and more diverse captive bloodline.

  • @MyMitchell93
    @MyMitchell93 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can I we get a care guide video for Red Eyed Crocodile Skink cause I’m really thinking about buying 1

  • @leesreptilesandaquatics6368
    @leesreptilesandaquatics6368 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm doing a project with flying geckos, white lined geckos and white spotted geckos bc all of them alot of times are wild caught and the ones I got from the petstore near my house sat in small cage for 9 months waiting to be sold very sad so I'm trying to breed these geckos to help reduce them being taken out of their homes in nature

  • @badprincessx
    @badprincessx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What size enclosure would you recommend for a single redeye crocodile skink ? I’ve search on TH-cam and everyone says something different. Would like to know from a trusted source such as yourself 😊

  • @lovaskiss
    @lovaskiss 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What happened to the Uroplatus phantasticus project?

  • @whitneymosley3421
    @whitneymosley3421 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How long do you have to breed a species before it becomes naturally tamed down, if possible?

  • @reaver21
    @reaver21 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who do you purchase them thru?

  • @pauwelsjamie0705
    @pauwelsjamie0705 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey daian i was wondering on what age you can tel the gender of a croc skink for sure ? Thanks in advance greetings from belgium

  • @user-wg9md9qc8w
    @user-wg9md9qc8w หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is it possible to breed in 20 20 30 Vivarium??

  • @user-xl1ut6co6l
    @user-xl1ut6co6l 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    where do you sell your dune geckos

  • @pandukusumo2354
    @pandukusumo2354 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is it okay to put 2 females and 1 male on 1 tank? I want to breed them. Thank you.

  • @marixarojas2589
    @marixarojas2589 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lord I'm doing everything wrong 😩 one of the croc is already in the enclosure and the other one in a bin in "quarantine" with soil... so, do I need to move the one in the enclosure to a bin? I got her in 2/1/2024... for the other one I will remove the soil, clean everything and do the set up right. I hope they survive my negligence.

  • @TheReptileJedi
    @TheReptileJedi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazon Tree Boa, Mangrove Snake And Giant Leaf Tailed Gecko!

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great choices! 🐍🐍🦎

  • @SuNrAcX
    @SuNrAcX 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You know im from Montreal and im about to go to Kingston to get 2 pairs that are listed CB but i dont know they are cheap and the guy said hes changing project... i doooont know mannnnn....

  • @mrfigure7086
    @mrfigure7086 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would love to get my hands on some black breasted leaf turtles to breed first and foremost. Or red eyed crocodile skinks.

  • @Bosco3333
    @Bosco3333 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you do another cold blooded reptile. With Brandon

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Little did you know it’s in the works 😉

    • @Bosco3333
      @Bosco3333 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Can’t wait amazing collection

  • @toastedwaffles8920
    @toastedwaffles8920 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are you planning on ever selling the reptile skinks you’ve bred?

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes! I have already been doing so in Canada where I am from for several years. It’s so rewarding to be able to offer fellow hobbyists captive bred animals!

  • @sarakelly4922
    @sarakelly4922 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It makes me sad to think they are kidnapped from nature. Have you had any luck breeding them ? Is there any captive bred available in Canada ?

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Indeed! Absolutely! The whole playlist series revolves around my experience taking on this as a project to contribute to producing them in captivity and sharing my experience for others to do the same! I am proud to share I have produced a few dozen offspring so far!

  • @RC_Murphy
    @RC_Murphy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    QOTD: It's 10000% Black-breasted leaf turtles, along with a few frog species. I wish I had the resources to join the breeding efforts.

  • @JoseHerrera-me8xc
    @JoseHerrera-me8xc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Satanic leaf tail geckos would be a passion project

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Great choice! You know I’d approve of that! ☺️

    • @JoseHerrera-me8xc
      @JoseHerrera-me8xc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Reptiliatus I really admire the way way care for your animals, and thanks for sharing what you do with us

  • @KelpGamez
    @KelpGamez 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this is ausome im also first can i get pined

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I can't pin this but I'll do you one better with a thank you message! You rock! Thank you for watching and supporting! Appreciate you!

    • @KelpGamez
      @KelpGamez 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ok
      @@Reptiliatus

  • @TONYSTARK-jh2wu
    @TONYSTARK-jh2wu 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it's hard to support captive breed when they are 4 times the prices

  • @kevinpoe8137
    @kevinpoe8137 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Their unique breeding biology certainly doesn’t help either when it comes to establishing a captive population; also how much more dragon like would they look if they got to the size of a sungazer

  • @Virgi_Goodman
    @Virgi_Goodman 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mine just di3d few days ago because some infection 😔

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m so sorry to hear that

  • @joshuamidgette4846
    @joshuamidgette4846 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rubber Boa, Charina Bottae.

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great choices!

    • @joshuamidgette4846
      @joshuamidgette4846 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Reptiliatus They are one animal and mostly unavailable due to being USA native.

  • @k.l.manring2083
    @k.l.manring2083 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly I think instead of saying wild collected they need to be considered abducted instead

    • @Reptiliatus
      @Reptiliatus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That certainly expresses the heaviness well! Thank you for watching/commenting!

  • @LukeMcGuireoides
    @LukeMcGuireoides 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow, $450 is cheap? I don't even wanna know how much they are captive bred. I'm beginning to think more and more of these animals shouldn't be taken from the wild period.

  • @Emily-fp7ri
    @Emily-fp7ri 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please make sure you're also reminarliseing RO water- giving straight RO water unminiralised to any animal is absolutely not healthy for them.