I disagree with Karun about the 'subjectivity' of double waved yellows. Making the penalities for speeding under double waved yellows 'subjective' means that infinrgements are up to interpretation. This is the EXACT issue EVERYONE, including Sky Sports pundits like Karun himself, have had with the penalty system the last few years. This rule needs to be black and white. Despite how harsh it was on Lando, he didn't slow down and therefore it's a 10 second s/g. End of story.
Fully agree. Black and white rules, no ifs and buds, because then everything is subjective and up for discussion, and it will take hours for the FIA to provide their ruling. The penalty was very harsh, but if that is the rule, then change the rule or make some gradient that includes the level of danger i.e. marshalls/vehicle on track, stranded driver, etc. etc.
It's also a huge safety issue because if the double-waved yellows and penalties are "subjective" and ultimately lessened, what's to stop drivers from making a calculated decision to ignore a yellow flag if they think they can deal with the penalty? The entire point of the harshness of the 10-sec s/g is to prevent ignoring safety rules like that. Lessening the severity of the punishment or allowing some cases where it's not as big of a deal just creates openings for abuse at the expense of safety.
@SkySportsF! You have spent the majority of the last 3 years complaining about subjective decisions. And NOW your suggestion is to add subjectivity to the rules? 🤯
I'm sorry but the take on the double yellow is completely wrong. Norris should have lifted, as it is a safety and not a sporting infringement. Stop defending British drivers. The reason it is punished so much is because ignoring ayellow flags in F3 and F2 is a big problem, and F1 creating a precedent that it is okay to ignore yellow flags is dangerous to say the least. Max too, has been penalized heavily for ignoring yellow flags in qualy in 2021 with a five place grid penalty, so it has always been penalized heavily.
You know I actually forgot about that penalty that STRAPON got, I actually thought his last penalty not including 2024 was 2019 because he was presented with his "Get out of jail free card " from Horny.
@26:00 Naomi: "Sometimes we move on too quickly, and we're too influenced by the here and the now." Please print it and distribute it to everyone in the world. One bad moment shouldn't be a breaking point, regardless of the 99 good moments that came before it. It's the definition of a relationship: you're imperfect and must accept others to be imperfect too. If you start over-complaining here and there for whatever reason, you'll break a relationship without thinking that you could change too, as part of this two-sided relationship.
Somehow she moved on too quickly from being a totally failed driver to an F1 pundit....hummm something tells me it's not her knowledge or driving skills that were the "driving" force here. Clearly its all about skin colour, or they'd have found someone even moderately qualified... like Danica!
Lewis was never a great in qualy. Party mode was always the trick that set him on pole. Lewis was a great driver in the main race tactical and race craft
@andrewwright4195 nonsense he is just fed up of trying to get that temperamental merc to turn a short corners. Max rants the same when his RB can't do it, but that is a good car! Lewis has had 23 races of it.
There’s a differwnce between Russel’s action and Max’s. Max reported a possible breake of safety rules. George put pressure to have Max penalized, Max having Alonso in front of him and Russell had enough visibility and space to slow down. And Max was not upset because George did it, was because how he did it.
Karun's point about the double yellow is track specific. The rules cannot just apply to Monaco because it is a narrower track with lots of blind spots and not apply to Qatar because it is a wide open track with little to no blind spots. The rules need to be consistent across all tracks.
21:08 Georgie did not get under Max's skin. If you think anything gets under Max's skin you're dead wrong. Max basically put Georgie on his not a buddy list. Not that he was before. Max is a 4x WDC. Georgie is a 3 race winner. There's no rivalry here.
@danmar007 I don't think it's only the car. Hamilton is just underperforming. These heavier cars tend to be very aero sensitive and Lewis is just not coping with them.
@@Lanse1984 I don't think it is about him underperforming as much as it is not having enough confidence in the unpredictable rear end of the car to push it.
Karun Just follows his pay masters. When he was at Red Bullas a driver. Nhelmat Markó seriously and consistently called him a slow driver.. So you have a slow driver now pundit who won next to nothing calling out Lewis.. You cannot make this up...
The difference between what max did and George is proportion. Max said "heads up, he didn't lift" and left it at that. George went on and on in public alone saying he panic braked and avoided and maybe damaged his car etc etc and at least from Max retelling he continued dramatizing it in the stewards room. Did that actually happen? We will never know, but based on his public comments, I believe he did probably dramatize the event more than it was because he was doing that in interviews before the stewards verdict. George is absolutely not "getting in his head," though.
Max noticed the sudden drop in the time gap to Norris and suggested that Lando didn't lift. Short and sweet. George spun an elaborate and exaggerated fairy tale to get Max penalized. There's no comparison.
My thoughts too. Max made a single comment and left it for the team/stewards to do their job. George was trying to make a point out of it in basically all interviews I've heard until the penalty was announced.
@@mrthewhite2620 Well, Max like all great athletes like taking note to motivate himseld, when you saw is car aiming at georges on the grid was there any doubth he was taking the lead.
Max's behavior in George's behavior is so incredibly different. Max asked for a rule that has been clearly applied across several years to still be applied. George, however argued for a penalty that has never existed before to be invented to be given to Max
Max has a thick skin with this stuff. George must have really laid it on thick for Max to be as angry as he was. Max didn't care about losing one grid place. It was how George portrayed the whole thing almost fabricating a narrative that didn't exist.
Max is a straight-shooter. If Max is that p’d off, George must have gone way over the line. Nothing new though, Sir LH has had to suffer George’s antics for a few seasons now. It’s no wonder LH has jumped ship. We all heard what LH said when asked if George will be a good leader at Mercedes. Enough said. George has tried to throw other drivers under the bus. He over-exaggerates every incident. I bet he’s not on everyones Xmas card list
@@Bindi4all is fair in love and war. I kinda respect George for his gamesmanship. Alain Prost was a master in the art and it worked for him, time and results will tell if it works for George.
Completely disagree with Karun. Double Yellows mean LIFT no matter when or where. We saw what happened to Bianchi when drivers try to take advantage of yellows or safety car periods to gain time over other cars
It appears that Karun is the only one who truly understands the situation, but I can say it's British podcast. The portrayal suggests that Lando was nearly faultless, which is puzzling. Max observed Lando accelerating, a move that's clearly prohibited under a yellow flag. It's that straightforward. It wasn't Stroll whom Max allowed to overtake; it was Alonso, and he maintained distance, not wanting to hinder other drivers since he had nothing more to gain from this race than Alonso did + it's a rule amongst drivers to give each other space during a cooldown lap. Why is George being labeled by so many as one of the most disagreeable individuals, yet your commentary suggests he's respectable? George has once again demonstrated unsportsmanlike behavior. And why the lengthy discussion about Lewis? His performance in Qatar was unremarkable; does it warrant a ten-minute analysis of his penultimate race with Mercedes?
Lewis will be fine. The man need a car he can trust. That Mercedes is a ridiculous car. Vasseur already stated he is not worried. He knows the man for 20 years. Vasseur can coach him to his former self.
@@opinionated_one8692 mercedes knew the only way George could win the race is if Lewis had a bad qualifying result, Lewis wasn't fighting for pole position that day he was fighting just to keep the car on the track, & on race day Lewis showed he's still one of the best but just ran out of laps but second was good enough to prove a point & I bet Fred had big smile on his face & was happy he made the call to bring Lewis to ferrari.
Facts disagree with you but I dont expect that to change your opinion. Palmer on F1TV talked about the pace of both of them in that race in his post-race Analysis if you want to check it out. In short: George managed until gap went to 5sec, then matched Lewis in pace for 3 laps, after which Lewis' tires just completely fell off (due to pushing so hard before).
I have to point out that if Greg Slater had actually paid attention to the answers that Carlos Sainz provided during his post race interview, he (and the reporting team trackside as well) would have picked up that Carlos explained that he already had the puncture before he crossed the finish line, and thus his puncture was not caused by the debris on track towards the end of the finish straight. I can't believe that no one picked up on that very important point.
He never said before the finish line, he said around the last corner and before the first one he recieved the puncture. It's ambigious, but the fact that he had the puncture before the first turn means the most likely cause is the debris as its between the last and first corner.
People are quick to kick a man when he's down forgetting he's won 2 races this year along with sainz, Russell,piastri and was 3rd in driver's last year
Considering Fred said they're not worried, I don't see why this is a topic of discussion. He clearly is still one of the best in terms of race pace. However he's absolutely rubbish in Quali as these new regs has completely nerfed him. I know age makes people lose Quali speed but James Allison has already alluded that these regs doesn't suit Lewis in 1 lap speed. Hopefully Tyre temps aren't as bad at Ferrari
Driver coach @ LowerLaptime actually went through the telemetry today to highlight where Lewis is struggling and WHY failing to adapt his driving style to the new ground effect cars has affected his pace and is causing him to lose to George. It's super interesting and not something a show like this is ever going to cover. 😏
Naomi shouldn't be on the channel. Your average sim racer is more qualified than her! She's there because she's a black woman who "raced" a car once or twice. Not even close to being qualified to comment on F1.
It's impressive how they bring up wanting there to be a bit of subjectivity in the ruling. But then when they allow a driver to get away with just a little lift because it's actually not that dangerous that somehow isn't good enough
@@Slipstream_merchant Whilst I don't agree with Karun's take, "British media bias" is spouted everywhere like bias doesn't exist in other countries who cover F1. In some countries it is much more blatant but seemingly perfectly acceptable.
Lewis will be fine, won 2 races this year and has 5 podiums... This car wasn't upgrade to his liking, especially with him leaving - it was tuned to George's preferences... Lucky for him, Charles and Lewis have similar styles
This tuning to driver preference is getting a bit old. The car is developed by designers and engineers, the drivers drive it, make suggestions to improve, goes back to designers and engineers, rinse and repeat. If a car is faster a particular way, that's the way the team is gonna go. If one driver can deal with it and one can't, thats kind of that. Hamilton has struggled since these ground effect cars came about, the first year excuse was he was doing experimental testing, the second year beat Russell but wasn't setting the track on fire either, third year he's all over the place while Russell has been pretty consistent. The car certainly has a lot to do with performance, but you do the best you can with what you have. You dont complain constantly, calling the car bad when your teammate is doing fine, asking to retire the car, saying you won't be racing the next 3 races etc. He's gonna have a rough year next year and won't be surrounded by the friendly faces and encouragement he's had for over a decade with mercedes.
@ great point^ my only other excuse is (hahaha) i think george cares more about beating lewis, and if lewis doesnt have a career that can fight for a title after everything hes accomplished, beating his teammate doesnt matter to him
Something I never quite understand why it's always Lewis people are talking about when he's struggling. I mean, Alonso hasn't won a race for like 10 years or something and he never gets this kind of criticism.
Stating the obvious here which most F1 fans know, is that Alonso hasn’t had a car anywhere near capable of winning in that time. There’s absolutely no denying that whatsoever unless you want to blatantly lie, like certain Lewis ‘fans’ do. Every normal F1 fan has ultimate respect for Alonso they know he’s one of the greatest to ever do it. The same respect they have for Max, Lewis, Schumacher, Senna etc. The answer as to why Lewis gets so much criticism for poor performances is that everyone is used to him winning and being a good driver for years. He’s one of the biggest names in the sport so obviously he’s going to get more attention. Lando is going through the exact same thing this year purely because of how popular he is. Everyone loved him at the start of the season, saying how great he is… now everyone is trying to find a reason to like him because that’s just how social media works. In reality, he’s had a great season, driven superbly and doesn’t deserve any of the hate he’s getting. You can say similar for Max also. Everyone normal fan knows he’s the best driver on the grid but you still see comments calling him useless and that it’s just the car. Unfortunately this is the ugly side of social media that we can’t remove from the sport.
He has you deluded crylonso fangirl. He bottled it in 2021 when his teammate won and also bottled 2023 with the second fastest aston that was fastest in monaco@@JXLY7
17:51 The difference, Matt, is that Max pointed Lando's non-lift out to his team over the radio and left it at that for the stewards to work out. However on quali day, George pointed out the impeding over the radio to his team, as is his right, btw; and then actively sent the point home later on in the driver's briefing room. None of us were in the room, but the way it was described, George was fully lobbying against Max in the briefing so that he would get a penalty. That's where the beef came from, not what was said over the radio at the time of the incidents.
As a Max fan it was hard for me to like Naomi a couple of years ago. Now I liked her very much. She has a clear head, a good insight, a balanced opinion and very well thought arguments. On top of that she managed to name all the different aspects that were relevant on the topics at hand. Thank you Naomi, Jerome, Amsterdam -
I 100% agree. Since she got married, it is as if she has had a total rethink. Even her previously ridiculous dress sense has gone and been replaced by extremely good outfits.(Just needs to lose the oversized boots she sometimes wears). She is now a much more rounded pundit, whose opinions are now far less biased.
She adds no real insight and is irrelevant as she has never even driven an f1 car, how is she an expert. It’s like employing Martin Brundle as an expert on Match of the day😂
Ye it was Max main competitor in F1, not Daniel as many think Faster Qualify Sainz vs verstappen 0.06% Ricciardo vs verstappen 0.11% Gasly vs verstappen 0.45% Albon vs verstappen 0.62% Perez vs verstappen 0.46% Faster Race wins Sainz vs verstappen 54.5% Ricciardo vs verstappen 60.6% Gasly vs verstappen 90% Albon vs verstappen 88.9% Perez vs verstappen 88.1%
@bobkeul7682 that was a long time ago and max has developed a lot since then, Max is better than Leclerc and yet Leclerc is beating Sainz comfortably in the majority of races this year.
Giving the stewards wiggleroom in this case is a stupid thing to do! It's about safety. How would a driver know how serious a double waved yellow is? Would that then be communicated by the team as in "just ignore the double waved yellow"? Double waved yellow should be "reduce speed as soon as possible to pit lane speed". As soon as possible, because quick reductions of speed are dangerous in itself. The stewards can then be the judge if it was reduced quick enough.
I love how unbiased Naomi's comments were despite the fact that she's British. Truth be told, George's incident was premeditated. He did it on purpose. That's cheap
The punishment for double-waved yellow should not be diminished..but what constitutes be prepared to stop, or when/where a double waved yellow is used could use refinement. But when there is a double-waved yellow it is what it is.
The big question no one seems to be asking is “Why did Lando Norris not see the double yellow flags” when it appears EVERYONE else did…?? 👀😳 2nd question: Why are the English Press silent on this….?🙂😊
Karun is the symbol of British bias favoring Lando. The fact that drivers ahead (not just MAX) saw and reacted to the double waved yellow means they followed a fundamental rule. Lifting for even a quick moment is a big difference (literal and philosophical) than not seeing the double waved yellow AND consequentially stayed flat out. It's clear.
Trust me give the car he needs and he'll humble the grid but if you give them a car like how mercedes is giving a tractor how can you expect good performance . Even max with a crap car won't able to win a wdc
Exactly, see how he drove in LA. Lewis has the raw speed. Max was struggling behind Alpine in Qatar during sprint race. It’s the car that should give confidence to the driver.
@@naathnaath6377 Redbull was not slower than Mercedes. It was the undisputed fastest car in the first 5 races. Then every other race it was a car worthy of a podium except for Belgium, Italy, Baku and Mexico. Overall Mclaren was faster for most of the season. Verstappen is a great driver and Lando is a bottler.
i think he just needs a break 😅 I mean just before the summer break he was banging in the results, its not like he's never had pace this season! The car's inconsistency has baffled him to the point of frustration, Vegas was proof he hasn't simply "lost his pace", it wasn't a lack of pace which caused him to qualify p10, it was one lockup and then just a very unlucky snap, he had pace all weekend. His mind was clearly not in the right place in Qatar. Give him a few months break + a brand new car, + a brand new environment ,and we should see a revitalised lewis. Maybe ferrari can give him the strong rear stability he needs for his driving style to work consistently, which would give him confidence, and help him find his quali pace. His driving style is probably much closer to Leclerc's than it is to George, i mean look at the silverstone lap comparison, the two laps are miles different.
Doubly yellow = slow dawn and prepare to stop. The driver doesn't know why there was a double yellow. This is not F1. This is all motor racing, and Lando knew the strict rule. 10 second stop and go is warranted when a driver ignores the double yellow!
Agree, also Vasseur has known Lewis a very long time, and I think even with Ferrari paying Lewis a lot of money, they with recoup that money through Merchandise sales anyway.
There are 24 races in a year. Lewis has won two races as Russell had one DNF from the lead and once a DSQ. Does not look that good when you compare him with his teammate.
They should be worried, the guy’s been out of form since the summer break He’s only had 7 good races out of 24 rounds which is less than 50% He’s been dominated by his teammate in quali and race trim and is currently on course to finish 7th which is the worse position of his f1 career. The guy’s 40 years old and past his prime, Leclerc will destroy him
I am sorry, but there was a huge difference between Max and Lando. Max applied the breaks for 2.3 seconds Lando did not. Karin I respect your knowledge but this one you got it entirely wrong
Sorry but good car or not, for Lewis to sound so defeated is not good news for Ferrari. Once a man of that caliber has doubts in himself, its already too late.
I would discuss the unprofessional and dangerous behavior of Lando and his engineer (they were chatting over the board radio and not focused on what happened on the track source: Peter windsor) and how they ruined a potential interesting fight. I mean the next time they neglect a ‘real’ double yellow flag, serious accidents can happen.
Alonso said it in 2022 about Lewis. That guy can only race from the front in the fastest car 😂😂😂. He is finished since the car wasn't way ahead of everyone else..
Difference between Max and George is that George is arguing Max did something wrong when he didn’t while Max pointed out a breaking of the rules… how is that a question?
George under Max’ skin?? Haha. Well… he certainly paid the price for that. Max said pre race that he was extra motivated to get George at turn one. Max is way to strong mentally to be screwed by GR.
Bro, stop bringing guests like Natalie, Naomi and fan perspective guests....they just faf a lot without adding anything to the podcast and waste time...keep guests like nico, Bernie and karun...who can give actual insights
I put on this podcast and didn't even pay attention to the video. I am nearly at the end and realized it's Naomi and not the ex-Aston Martin female who was alongside Karun Chandok. Naomi sounded so level headed throughout the episode. Props to her, she has won a new fan today.
A Finnish driver, a Russian driver and a Canadian driver get a stop/go for speeding under double waved yellows: **crickets** A British driver gets a stop/go for speeding under double waved yellows: "THIS IS OUT OF ALL PROPORTION! THE RULES MUST BE CHANGED IMMEDIATELY! HOW DARE THE FIA INTERFERE WITH THE CHAMPIONSHIP IN THIS WAY?!"
@@thewoden1919 You probably have to swear a blood oath of fealty to the King and lick Murdoch’s arse three times under a full moon to be allowed to work for Sky in any capacity.
Lewis has been heroic in maintaining a positive attitude at Mercedes whilst they tinkered with a non competitive car . I hope he gets his mojo back at Ferrari and with Fred's help , "rises again !"
@@channaduminda5072 Karun’s problem is a case of “sour grapes”. These F1 drivers are living HIS dream and have the career that he wasn’t able to achieve. Giving jealous school-boy vibes.
And once again, a rule that has affected Norris 'needs' to be changed. They keep losing more credibility over and over again. This is exactly the reason why SkySport and by definition F1 presentors need to change aswell.
I have full confidence in Sir Lewis hamilton will achieve the 8 world Title. Sir Lewis hamilton is not at all slow even if he says. One of the greatest F1 driver and Ferrari is very lucky.
I don’t understand the complaints about the rules. We want decisions to be made quickly and to be tailored for each situation and individual. It’s not possible. The only fairness possible is that the rules shall apply to everyone every time regardless of consequences.
Penalty is a penalty to warn every driver that there is danger around the circuit,and it shouldn't be amended.Its for the safety for everyone its either a race marshall, driver spectator etc....FIA just need consistency.
So we agree that the double yellow was difficult to spot and act upon, and yet Max lifted and Lando not, and cars following had more / better warning. Max got for a similar situation, a difficult to spot double yellow, (in qualifying) in the past a 5 place grid penalty, according to the rules
Max saw the double yellows because he didn't have a green panel flashing after. Norris had the green flashing panel. You are always looking far ahead. So obviously, the green flashing panel caught his attention first, causing him to miss the yellow flags
@sghitza1 Not only did Max have the green light flashing, he didn't have the double yellow lights unlike Lando who was far back enough to catch them. Max only knew from the double yellow flags being waived on the left. Lando had the yellow lights and the flags, yet missed it. Then done a side by side analysis of the incident on sky. Check it out
Comparing george to max or any other drivers complaining is a joke. George pointed out a potential issue and after the heat of the moment took a non penalty and went to war in the stewards room. Max pointed out a potential issue which everybody does and should do.
Karun have never won a race ever....nor has he been on the podium of a race,so tell me why has Sky continue using these guys to give an honest opinion on drivers who won championships. Not one of these pundits address the possibility of teams playing god with drivers car......and trust me this do happen. The pitwall can control a lot of what happens with their team car and such actions, can dictate the outcome of that car.
It's crazy to me because the concession for safety that the FIA is making because it wasn't that dangerous is the fact the drivers only have to lift a little bit to acknowledge it. If there was more things they would have to slow down more. It's crazy to me how far people are going to defend something that could the endanger the lives of Marshalls because that's what double waved yellows are meant to protect
....Karun not been watching the last few races....Lawson has gone backwards with the one decent result by running long in the first race on Hards..... (though, compared to Perez....different story)
Matt Baker's hair care products have eaten away the last few brain cells he had. 1. GR will NEVER be in a championship battle with Max. 2. ANYONE who irritates Max ends up paying a far bigger price.
There’s no one on the grid right now who can hold a candle to Max. He’s so far ahead of the rest that I almost feel bad for them-and he’s only just entering his prime. That’s genuinely scary.
I’m a big time Lewis fan, but looking at this from an unbiased perspective: With a competitive car, on race pace Lewis can still be very good. So I don’t think Ferrari will worry in that sense. But his qualifying this year has been shocking with a few exceptions and he definitely needs to fix that. On qualifying next year he won’t beat Leclerc; but, as his long term pace and tyre management is very good, he may not need to. Not saying he shouldn’t shoot for it. I think Lewis will pick up a few wins and even the odd pole next year. But the field will be super competitive and honestly, Verstappen is just incredibly talented. Top of his game right now, he will be hard to stop. The only sure fire way that Max will lose is if the Red Bull car is substantially worse than the others and the pace is obviously lacking, but I don’t see that being the case, even with Newey gone. I would probably still put Max as the favourite to win next year, but I don’t think Ferrari should be worried about Lewis. He’s probably just ran out of steam at Merc, and it’s natural that the guy staying is going to have the better car too, although not loads. But Lewis will be back for sure next year.
So many people willfully missing the point about Max and George. He's not mad about going to the stewards, what made him mad was that George acted like everything was cool and he wasn't going to make a big deal about it to Max after, and then once they were in the stewards' room acted like Max had murdered him. That's what he said. What made him mad was the inconsistency and how far George went. Max has been in the stewards' room with plenty of drivers for stuff and not had reactions like this, it was clearly a different level.
If it was anyone else but Lewis, I would be more worried. I think with a car that he can trust on the edge, Lewis will quickly bounce back. At least I hope so!
I disagree with Karun about the 'subjectivity' of double waved yellows. Making the penalities for speeding under double waved yellows 'subjective' means that infinrgements are up to interpretation. This is the EXACT issue EVERYONE, including Sky Sports pundits like Karun himself, have had with the penalty system the last few years. This rule needs to be black and white. Despite how harsh it was on Lando, he didn't slow down and therefore it's a 10 second s/g. End of story.
Fully agree. Black and white rules, no ifs and buds, because then everything is subjective and up for discussion, and it will take hours for the FIA to provide their ruling. The penalty was very harsh, but if that is the rule, then change the rule or make some gradient that includes the level of danger i.e. marshalls/vehicle on track, stranded driver, etc. etc.
It's also a huge safety issue because if the double-waved yellows and penalties are "subjective" and ultimately lessened, what's to stop drivers from making a calculated decision to ignore a yellow flag if they think they can deal with the penalty?
The entire point of the harshness of the 10-sec s/g is to prevent ignoring safety rules like that. Lessening the severity of the punishment or allowing some cases where it's not as big of a deal just creates openings for abuse at the expense of safety.
Agreed it not a subjective ruling , it is there, printed for all to read.
We all know the problem is the passport of the driver affected
Thanks now I don't have to write it myself :)
@SkySportsF! You have spent the majority of the last 3 years complaining about subjective decisions. And NOW your suggestion is to add subjectivity to the rules? 🤯
@@rolfman299 yeah it impacted their British driver negatively so they should obviously change the rules
@@R-d26-4neither of them are British
I'm sorry but the take on the double yellow is completely wrong. Norris should have lifted, as it is a safety and not a sporting infringement. Stop defending British drivers.
The reason it is punished so much is because ignoring ayellow flags in F3 and F2 is a big problem, and F1 creating a precedent that it is okay to ignore yellow flags is dangerous to say the least. Max too, has been penalized heavily for ignoring yellow flags in qualy in 2021 with a five place grid penalty, so it has always been penalized heavily.
@@MartiniPinball people have short memories. A driver lost his life ignoring double yellow.supposed to be ready to stop but couldn't
You know I actually forgot about that penalty that STRAPON got, I actually thought his last penalty not including 2024 was 2019 because he was presented with his "Get out of jail free card " from Horny.
@26:00 Naomi: "Sometimes we move on too quickly, and we're too influenced by the here and the now."
Please print it and distribute it to everyone in the world.
One bad moment shouldn't be a breaking point, regardless of the 99 good moments that came before it.
It's the definition of a relationship: you're imperfect and must accept others to be imperfect too.
If you start over-complaining here and there for whatever reason, you'll break a relationship without thinking that you could change too, as part of this two-sided relationship.
Do you know how expensive all that ink will be with today's prices?? 🤨
Whatever happened to “this is Formula One you are only as good as your last race”?
Somehow she moved on too quickly from being a totally failed driver to an F1 pundit....hummm something tells me it's not her knowledge or driving skills that were the "driving" force here. Clearly its all about skin colour, or they'd have found someone even moderately qualified... like Danica!
@@divinasi0n black printer ink is 70c a ml or 16,000 dollars per gallon
Lewis was never a great in qualy. Party mode was always the trick that set him on pole. Lewis was a great driver in the main race tactical and race craft
Hamilton has just mentally checked out of Mercedes now.
He is frinshed 39 and done
@@andrewwright4195 Alonso says hi (43 years old).
@andrewwright4195 nonsense he is just fed up of trying to get that temperamental merc to turn a short corners. Max rants the same when his RB can't do it, but that is a good car! Lewis has had 23 races of it.
@HUMC5 Alonso looks done himself mate they both lost there pace and look done
@big.G.on.Property not always the car falut Russell is killed him this year getting rid of Carlos to bring in Lewis was a mistake
There’s a differwnce between Russel’s action and Max’s.
Max reported a possible breake of safety rules.
George put pressure to have Max penalized, Max having Alonso in front of him and Russell had enough visibility and space to slow down.
And Max was not upset because George did it, was because how he did it.
Karun's point about the double yellow is track specific. The rules cannot just apply to Monaco because it is a narrower track with lots of blind spots and not apply to Qatar because it is a wide open track with little to no blind spots. The rules need to be consistent across all tracks.
21:08 Georgie did not get under Max's skin. If you think anything gets under Max's skin you're dead wrong. Max basically put Georgie on his not a buddy list. Not that he was before. Max is a 4x WDC. Georgie is a 3 race winner. There's no rivalry here.
As max once said "i dont think he will ever lose his speed"
But his cars might.
@danmar007 I don't think it's only the car. Hamilton is just underperforming. These heavier cars tend to be very aero sensitive and Lewis is just not coping with them.
@@Lanse1984 I don't think it is about him underperforming as much as it is not having enough confidence in the unpredictable rear end of the car to push it.
@@pktrsho6055 George has adapted to the car. I think Lewis is just not coping with it as well.
@@pktrsho6055 "not having confidence in the unpredictable rear end" IS underperforming. It's his only job.
Karun Just follows his pay masters. When he was at Red Bullas a driver. Nhelmat Markó seriously and consistently called him a slow driver.. So you have a slow driver now pundit who won next to nothing calling out Lewis.. You cannot make this up...
The difference between what max did and George is proportion. Max said "heads up, he didn't lift" and left it at that. George went on and on in public alone saying he panic braked and avoided and maybe damaged his car etc etc and at least from Max retelling he continued dramatizing it in the stewards room.
Did that actually happen? We will never know, but based on his public comments, I believe he did probably dramatize the event more than it was because he was doing that in interviews before the stewards verdict.
George is absolutely not "getting in his head," though.
Max noticed the sudden drop in the time gap to Norris and suggested that Lando didn't lift. Short and sweet. George spun an elaborate and exaggerated fairy tale to get Max penalized. There's no comparison.
My thoughts too. Max made a single comment and left it for the team/stewards to do their job.
George was trying to make a point out of it in basically all interviews I've heard until the penalty was announced.
It's not the penalty, its the way in which Princess GR was trying to get it.
@@mrthewhite2620 Well, Max like all great athletes like taking note to motivate himseld, when you saw is car aiming at georges on the grid was there any doubth he was taking the lead.
Max's behavior in George's behavior is so incredibly different. Max asked for a rule that has been clearly applied across several years to still be applied. George, however argued for a penalty that has never existed before to be invented to be given to Max
Max has a thick skin with this stuff. George must have really laid it on thick for Max to be as angry as he was. Max didn't care about losing one grid place. It was how George portrayed the whole thing almost fabricating a narrative that didn't exist.
yep that is the case Max reakt like this when you are not respectfull ( and talk bs )
Max is a straight-shooter. If Max is that p’d off, George must have gone way over the line. Nothing new though, Sir LH has had to suffer George’s antics for a few seasons now. It’s no wonder LH has jumped ship. We all heard what LH said when asked if George will be a good leader at Mercedes. Enough said. George has tried to throw other drivers under the bus. He over-exaggerates every incident. I bet he’s not on everyones Xmas card list
@@Bindi4all is fair in love and war. I kinda respect George for his gamesmanship. Alain Prost was a master in the art and it worked for him, time and results will tell if it works for George.
To be fair Russell is a whinger but then again Max done the same many times also@@Bindi4
You actually think that ??😂😂
Completely disagree with Karun.
Double Yellows mean LIFT no matter when or where.
We saw what happened to Bianchi when drivers try to take advantage of yellows or safety car periods to gain time over other cars
Difference is George was like a football player rolling around on the ground holding his ankle when he really wasn't kicked.
Nonsense analogy
F1 driver tries to again and advantage.....more news to follow.
@@trapeziumm It's a perfect analogy. George was diving, Neymar style.
It appears that Karun is the only one who truly understands the situation, but I can say it's British podcast. The portrayal suggests that Lando was nearly faultless, which is puzzling. Max observed Lando accelerating, a move that's clearly prohibited under a yellow flag. It's that straightforward. It wasn't Stroll whom Max allowed to overtake; it was Alonso, and he maintained distance, not wanting to hinder other drivers since he had nothing more to gain from this race than Alonso did + it's a rule amongst drivers to give each other space during a cooldown lap. Why is George being labeled by so many as one of the most disagreeable individuals, yet your commentary suggests he's respectable? George has once again demonstrated unsportsmanlike behavior. And why the lengthy discussion about Lewis? His performance in Qatar was unremarkable; does it warrant a ten-minute analysis of his penultimate race with Mercedes?
Lewis will be fine. The man need a car he can trust. That Mercedes is a ridiculous car. Vasseur already stated he is not worried. He knows the man for 20 years. Vasseur can coach him to his former self.
He can't get with the current cars
@@richardashton5015your right these current regulation cars isn’t Hamilton’s style of driving
@@richardashton5015its not the current cars its mercedes car unpredictable and inconsistent.
He was driver of the day 2 RACES AGO. He'd have shafted George if he had have started even 5th on the grid. This is SOMETHING made from NOTHING.
This is why they work against Lewis to have him start from 10th, hoping he don't catch Russell.
@@opinionated_one8692 This. Well said
@@opinionated_one8692 mercedes knew the only way George could win the race is if Lewis had a bad qualifying result, Lewis wasn't fighting for pole position that day he was fighting just to keep the car on the track, & on race day Lewis showed he's still one of the best but just ran out of laps but second was good enough to prove a point & I bet Fred had big smile on his face & was happy he made the call to bring Lewis to ferrari.
Facts disagree with you but I dont expect that to change your opinion. Palmer on F1TV talked about the pace of both of them in that race in his post-race Analysis if you want to check it out. In short: George managed until gap went to 5sec, then matched Lewis in pace for 3 laps, after which Lewis' tires just completely fell off (due to pushing so hard before).
I have to point out that if Greg Slater had actually paid attention to the answers that Carlos Sainz provided during his post race interview, he (and the reporting team trackside as well) would have picked up that Carlos explained that he already had the puncture before he crossed the finish line, and thus his puncture was not caused by the debris on track towards the end of the finish straight. I can't believe that no one picked up on that very important point.
Does that mean it wasn’t the cause? Debris can also weaken a tyre. It can cause cuts and lacerations that don’t appear fatal until later.
He never said before the finish line, he said around the last corner and before the first one he recieved the puncture. It's ambigious, but the fact that he had the puncture before the first turn means the most likely cause is the debris as its between the last and first corner.
During the race Bernie mentioned that all punctures were front left, which is the tyre with the most wear from the curbs.
People are quick to kick a man when he's down forgetting he's won 2 races this year along with sainz, Russell,piastri and was 3rd in driver's last year
Naomi is probably the only brit pundit on Sky that isn't biassed towards every single British driver. Please don't let them change you 👍👍👍
Cos she’s not British. Love Naomi and Bernie, welcome additions.
What's British about her?
Considering Fred said they're not worried, I don't see why this is a topic of discussion. He clearly is still one of the best in terms of race pace.
However he's absolutely rubbish in Quali as these new regs has completely nerfed him. I know age makes people lose Quali speed but James Allison has already alluded that these regs doesn't suit Lewis in 1 lap speed. Hopefully Tyre temps aren't as bad at Ferrari
Managed to outqualify "Mr Saturday" george in 2022 and 2023 tho
Ferrari have to say that.
@@andrewmelton2686 2023?
Driver coach @ LowerLaptime actually went through the telemetry today to highlight where Lewis is struggling and WHY failing to adapt his driving style to the new ground effect cars has affected his pace and is causing him to lose to George. It's super interesting and not something a show like this is ever going to cover. 😏
@@As-qz5lr combined 22 and 23
Wish there was an edit of this with just questions and Naomi's answers, much better use of time.
Naomi shouldn't be on the channel. Your average sim racer is more qualified than her! She's there because she's a black woman who "raced" a car once or twice. Not even close to being qualified to comment on F1.
So they could delete the whole file?
64 km/h Max slowed down. So not 13 km/h as Karun indicates.
Karum shouldn't be a f1 punit
British bias, not surprised tbh
Yeah he gained like 7 tenths in that sector alone.
It's impressive how they bring up wanting there to be a bit of subjectivity in the ruling. But then when they allow a driver to get away with just a little lift because it's actually not that dangerous that somehow isn't good enough
@@Slipstream_merchant Whilst I don't agree with Karun's take, "British media bias" is spouted everywhere like bias doesn't exist in other countries who cover F1. In some countries it is much more blatant but seemingly perfectly acceptable.
Lewis will be fine, won 2 races this year and has 5 podiums... This car wasn't upgrade to his liking, especially with him leaving - it was tuned to George's preferences... Lucky for him, Charles and Lewis have similar styles
This tuning to driver preference is getting a bit old. The car is developed by designers and engineers, the drivers drive it, make suggestions to improve, goes back to designers and engineers, rinse and repeat. If a car is faster a particular way, that's the way the team is gonna go. If one driver can deal with it and one can't, thats kind of that. Hamilton has struggled since these ground effect cars came about, the first year excuse was he was doing experimental testing, the second year beat Russell but wasn't setting the track on fire either, third year he's all over the place while Russell has been pretty consistent. The car certainly has a lot to do with performance, but you do the best you can with what you have. You dont complain constantly, calling the car bad when your teammate is doing fine, asking to retire the car, saying you won't be racing the next 3 races etc. He's gonna have a rough year next year and won't be surrounded by the friendly faces and encouragement he's had for over a decade with mercedes.
@ great point^ my only other excuse is (hahaha) i think george cares more about beating lewis, and if lewis doesnt have a career that can fight for a title after everything hes accomplished, beating his teammate doesnt matter to him
Something I never quite understand why it's always Lewis people are talking about when he's struggling. I mean, Alonso hasn't won a race for like 10 years or something and he never gets this kind of criticism.
Because he is him
Because if you're Black you have to be perfect to be good enough.
Stating the obvious here which most F1 fans know, is that Alonso hasn’t had a car anywhere near capable of winning in that time. There’s absolutely no denying that whatsoever unless you want to blatantly lie, like certain Lewis ‘fans’ do. Every normal F1 fan has ultimate respect for Alonso they know he’s one of the greatest to ever do it. The same respect they have for Max, Lewis, Schumacher, Senna etc.
The answer as to why Lewis gets so much criticism for poor performances is that everyone is used to him winning and being a good driver for years. He’s one of the biggest names in the sport so obviously he’s going to get more attention. Lando is going through the exact same thing this year purely because of how popular he is. Everyone loved him at the start of the season, saying how great he is… now everyone is trying to find a reason to like him because that’s just how social media works. In reality, he’s had a great season, driven superbly and doesn’t deserve any of the hate he’s getting. You can say similar for Max also. Everyone normal fan knows he’s the best driver on the grid but you still see comments calling him useless and that it’s just the car. Unfortunately this is the ugly side of social media that we can’t remove from the sport.
He has you deluded crylonso fangirl. He bottled it in 2021 when his teammate won and also bottled 2023 with the second fastest aston that was fastest in monaco@@JXLY7
@@hassobasso7067alonso dipped when he got schooled by ocon😂
17:51 The difference, Matt, is that Max pointed Lando's non-lift out to his team over the radio and left it at that for the stewards to work out. However on quali day, George pointed out the impeding over the radio to his team, as is his right, btw; and then actively sent the point home later on in the driver's briefing room. None of us were in the room, but the way it was described, George was fully lobbying against Max in the briefing so that he would get a penalty. That's where the beef came from, not what was said over the radio at the time of the incidents.
GET IN THERE LEWIS!!
As a Max fan it was hard for me to like Naomi a couple of years ago. Now I liked her very much. She has a clear head, a good insight, a balanced opinion and very well thought arguments. On top of that she managed to name all the different aspects that were relevant on the topics at hand. Thank you Naomi, Jerome, Amsterdam -
I 100% agree. Since she got married, it is as if she has had a total rethink. Even her previously ridiculous dress sense has gone and been replaced by extremely good outfits.(Just needs to lose the oversized boots she sometimes wears). She is now a much more rounded pundit, whose opinions are now far less biased.
@jeroenbons637 You Max fans are the problem, you hate everybody who doesn’t kiss Max’s behind, get out of here.
I’m not getting out of anywhere. You have a problem and that could well be you. I suggest that you find a cure for that. Therapy?
@ you need help.
She adds no real insight and is irrelevant as she has never even driven an f1 car, how is she an expert. It’s like employing Martin Brundle as an expert on Match of the day😂
It's Carlos Sainz's form they should be worried about, they're losing one hell of a driver
Yeah but they kept the better one
Ye it was Max main competitor in F1, not Daniel as many think
Faster Qualify
Sainz vs verstappen 0.06%
Ricciardo vs verstappen 0.11%
Gasly vs verstappen 0.45%
Albon vs verstappen 0.62%
Perez vs verstappen 0.46%
Faster Race wins
Sainz vs verstappen 54.5%
Ricciardo vs verstappen 60.6%
Gasly vs verstappen 90%
Albon vs verstappen 88.9%
Perez vs verstappen 88.1%
@bobkeul7682 that was a long time ago and max has developed a lot since then, Max is better than Leclerc and yet Leclerc is beating Sainz comfortably in the majority of races this year.
Carlos is so overrated
@@Mohagnito94Seriously. The amount of unforced errors and inconsistencies seems to go unnoticed.
Speed under double yellow: Max 259 kmph - Lando 323 kmph. End of discussion (no matter what nationality someone has).
Giving the stewards wiggleroom in this case is a stupid thing to do! It's about safety. How would a driver know how serious a double waved yellow is? Would that then be communicated by the team as in "just ignore the double waved yellow"?
Double waved yellow should be "reduce speed as soon as possible to pit lane speed". As soon as possible, because quick reductions of speed are dangerous in itself. The stewards can then be the judge if it was reduced quick enough.
During vsc isn't allowed to drive through the pits
I love how unbiased Naomi's comments were despite the fact that she's British. Truth be told, George's incident was premeditated. He did it on purpose. That's cheap
The punishment for double-waved yellow should not be diminished..but what constitutes be prepared to stop, or when/where a double waved yellow is used could use refinement. But when there is a double-waved yellow it is what it is.
The big question no one seems to be asking is “Why did Lando Norris not see the double yellow flags” when it appears EVERYONE else did…?? 👀😳
2nd question:
Why are the English Press silent on this….?🙂😊
Karun is the symbol of British bias favoring Lando. The fact that drivers ahead (not just MAX) saw and reacted to the double waved yellow means they followed a fundamental rule. Lifting for even a quick moment is a big difference (literal and philosophical) than not seeing the double waved yellow AND consequentially stayed flat out. It's clear.
Trust me give the car he needs and he'll humble the grid but if you give them a car like how mercedes is giving a tractor how can you expect good performance . Even max with a crap car won't able to win a wdc
Exactly, see how he drove in LA. Lewis has the raw speed. Max was struggling behind Alpine in Qatar during sprint race. It’s the car that should give confidence to the driver.
The comment is disrespectful. Humble the whole grid ? Bit disrespectful to max. Max is literally humbling the whole grid atm
Max won in a slower car.
@@naathnaath6377 Redbull was not slower than Mercedes.
It was the undisputed fastest car in the first 5 races.
Then every other race it was a car worthy of a podium except for Belgium, Italy, Baku and Mexico.
Overall Mclaren was faster for most of the season.
Verstappen is a great driver and Lando is a bottler.
@@naathnaath6377 Max couldnt progress in sprint but later and the same thing reflecting in Checo race. He went up to P5 in the race before the DNF.
The British media biassed is terrible 😢 thank god for noami
i think he just needs a break 😅 I mean just before the summer break he was banging in the results, its not like he's never had pace this season! The car's inconsistency has baffled him to the point of frustration, Vegas was proof he hasn't simply "lost his pace", it wasn't a lack of pace which caused him to qualify p10, it was one lockup and then just a very unlucky snap, he had pace all weekend. His mind was clearly not in the right place in Qatar. Give him a few months break + a brand new car, + a brand new environment ,and we should see a revitalised lewis. Maybe ferrari can give him the strong rear stability he needs for his driving style to work consistently, which would give him confidence, and help him find his quali pace. His driving style is probably much closer to Leclerc's than it is to George, i mean look at the silverstone lap comparison, the two laps are miles different.
This is why you guys get accused of bias. Make a big issue out of a rule breach, only when it effects a Brit
Luckily Naomi and Karun are there to correct Matt. His questions are quite subjective and full of steering
As Fred Vasseur said, in Vegas he drove a different class race. Won the toughest race of this season, hasn't lost a step.
Doubly yellow = slow dawn and prepare to stop. The driver doesn't know why there was a double yellow. This is not F1. This is all motor racing, and Lando knew the strict rule.
10 second stop and go is warranted when a driver ignores the double yellow!
Naomi Schiff, you have such a sensible head on your shoulders. Keep it up.
I fully agree.
Fully agree. She's the only one i listen to ..
The “expert” with no f1 experience is who u listen to😂
Silly question 😂!! He is still winning this year why would they be worried ? He just came from 10th to 2nd a race ago?!😂😂😂😂😂
Agree, also Vasseur has known Lewis a very long time, and I think even with Ferrari paying Lewis a lot of money, they with recoup that money through Merchandise sales anyway.
There are 24 races in a year. Lewis has won two races as Russell had one DNF from the lead and once a DSQ. Does not look that good when you compare him with his teammate.
They should be worried, the guy’s been out of form since the summer break
He’s only had 7 good races out of 24 rounds which is less than 50%
He’s been dominated by his teammate in quali and race trim and is currently on course to finish 7th which is the worse position of his f1 career.
The guy’s 40 years old and past his prime, Leclerc will destroy him
I wonder what impact that Hamilton not being involved with the some of the engineering meetings mean he's not getting a car that suits him
@@rensvanderploeg1945when has having DNF become something u put on ur resume? 2 vs 2 wins looks just ok to me.
“7 seconds to pick up the mirror for Matt”. Yeah, and what if he slips? Twists his ankle? Come on Karun..
Most brain dead comment of the year award goes to @user-de7kv7ce2f. Congratulations!
I am sorry, but there was a huge difference between Max and Lando. Max applied the breaks for 2.3 seconds Lando did not. Karin I respect your knowledge but this one you got it entirely wrong
Sorry but good car or not, for Lewis to sound so defeated is not good news for Ferrari. Once a man of that caliber has doubts in himself, its already too late.
I would discuss the unprofessional and dangerous behavior of Lando and his engineer (they were chatting over the board radio and not focused on what happened on the track source: Peter windsor) and how they ruined a potential interesting fight. I mean the next time they neglect a ‘real’ double yellow flag, serious accidents can happen.
Alonso said it in 2022 about Lewis. That guy can only race from the front in the fastest car 😂😂😂. He is finished since the car wasn't way ahead of everyone else..
Difference between Max and George is that George is arguing Max did something wrong when he didn’t while Max pointed out a breaking of the rules… how is that a question?
If Max got 10s you would have said “he didn’t lift” penalty!!
George under Max’ skin?? Haha. Well… he certainly paid the price for that. Max said pre race that he was extra motivated to get George at turn one. Max is way to strong mentally to be screwed by GR.
Bro, stop bringing guests like Natalie, Naomi and fan perspective guests....they just faf a lot without adding anything to the podcast and waste time...keep guests like nico, Bernie and karun...who can give actual insights
Sky sports trying hard to defend FIA mistakes sounds so funny😂
It was a wrong decision by FIA
I like Naomi Schiff the way she breaks down the issues on driver is legendary.
😂 funniest comment ever
Lewis will be a machine in red. Ferrari here we come 🇮🇹🐎🟨🛡𝓢𝓕🏎🏁
Deluded
@@richardashton5015 Child.
I LOVE how every time it's a British driver breaking the rules, the rules need to be changed. It's ridiculous at this point. Stop it.
No it’s not worrying Ferrari. They’re in a constructors fight and politely told Lewis to take it easy and stay way from the front of the grid.
I put on this podcast and didn't even pay attention to the video. I am nearly at the end and realized it's Naomi and not the ex-Aston Martin female who was alongside Karun Chandok. Naomi sounded so level headed throughout the episode. Props to her, she has won a new fan today.
Hamilton's form is just fine. Stop with the drama!😅
Exactly!!😂
He's washed
A Finnish driver, a Russian driver and a Canadian driver get a stop/go for speeding under double waved yellows: **crickets**
A British driver gets a stop/go for speeding under double waved yellows: "THIS IS OUT OF ALL PROPORTION! THE RULES MUST BE CHANGED IMMEDIATELY! HOW DARE THE FIA INTERFERE WITH THE CHAMPIONSHIP IN THIS WAY?!"
Why are you crying
Neither of them are British
@@thewoden1919 You probably have to swear a blood oath of fealty to the King and lick Murdoch’s arse three times under a full moon to be allowed to work for Sky in any capacity.
Anyone writing Lewis off already will be made to eat their words next year. He will thrive at Ferrari.
Lewis has been heroic in maintaining a positive attitude at Mercedes whilst they tinkered with a non competitive car . I hope he gets his mojo back at Ferrari and with Fred's help , "rises again !"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ferrari For One Know They Have A Better Car,Why Should They Be Worried?🤷♂️.
But how better it is ?!
Because crybaby will bring down the mood in the place 😅 lap 1 first corner ( why did you put me on those tires man 😂😂😂😂
Georg going under Max's skin, is the joke of the day.
Karun being Karun. Nothing comes positive out of his mouth regarding Sir Lewis.
Yeah, he can’t ignore Max anymore, so next in line.
I know, considering Karuns non career the man is a joke.
@@Astronurd True, yet he’s still at Sky F1. At Sky F1 they only like those who kiss Max’s behind
@@channaduminda5072 Karun’s problem is a case of “sour grapes”. These F1 drivers are living HIS dream and have the career that he wasn’t able to achieve. Giving jealous school-boy vibes.
Okay team lh get help
And once again, a rule that has affected Norris 'needs' to be changed. They keep losing more credibility over and over again. This is exactly the reason why SkySport and by definition F1 presentors need to change aswell.
I have full confidence in Sir Lewis hamilton will achieve the 8 world Title.
Sir Lewis hamilton is not at all slow even if he says.
One of the greatest F1 driver and Ferrari is very lucky.
Fred is making one of the biggest and most expansive mistakes for Ferrari
You can see him win on the history channel 😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I don’t understand the complaints about the rules. We want decisions to be made quickly and to be tailored for each situation and individual. It’s not possible. The only fairness possible is that the rules shall apply to everyone every time regardless of consequences.
Ham only performs in a good car ..cant do it if the cars not right
Penalty is a penalty to warn every driver that there is danger around the circuit,and it shouldn't be amended.Its for the safety for everyone its either a race marshall, driver spectator etc....FIA just need consistency.
Lando didn't lift so he was penalized according to the rules... Move on
So we agree that the double yellow was difficult to spot and act upon, and yet Max lifted and Lando not, and cars following had more / better warning. Max got for a similar situation, a difficult to spot double yellow, (in qualifying) in the past a 5 place grid penalty, according to the rules
Max saw the double yellows because he didn't have a green panel flashing after. Norris had the green flashing panel. You are always looking far ahead. So obviously, the green flashing panel caught his attention first, causing him to miss the yellow flags
It was just a complete FIA mess.
@sghitza1 Not only did Max have the green light flashing, he didn't have the double yellow lights unlike Lando who was far back enough to catch them. Max only knew from the double yellow flags being waived on the left. Lando had the yellow lights and the flags, yet missed it. Then done a side by side analysis of the incident on sky. Check it out
@virtualwanderer I think you missed the point. Max had only the double yellows. No other lights to distract him.
@sghitza1 he had the green light ahead too, check the analysis. He also didn't have any double yellow lights unlike Lando
There's a solution to all of this: Debris Drones! If Amazon can deliver packages with a Drone, F1 can pick up objects on the track with big drones.
Not a bad idea. Cars need to be moving very slow though.
@@khalidmartie5854 On a VSC? The drone can hover over until there is a gap. Way quicker than someone running on to and off the track
@@coho-kn1pc You're right, but a guy like Stroll would probably still hit the drone
@@khalidmartie5854 😂
Comparing george to max or any other drivers complaining is a joke. George pointed out a potential issue and after the heat of the moment took a non penalty and went to war in the stewards room. Max pointed out a potential issue which everybody does and should do.
Verstappen's lift wasn't that tiny. He even hit the brakes, unlike the other drivers who recognized the double yellow.
All they had to do was a vertual safety car and run the field through the pit lane to remove the wing mirror
No pit under VSC, and they were too spread out to keep them on track. A safety car was the only viable option.
Karun have never won a race ever....nor has he been on the podium of a race,so tell me why has Sky continue using these guys to give an honest opinion on drivers who won championships.
Not one of these pundits address the possibility of teams playing god with drivers car......and trust me this do happen.
The pitwall can control a lot of what happens with their team car and such actions, can dictate the outcome of that car.
Lewis will end up like Vettel with Ferrari.
Being a Ferrari fan for decades I hope Lewis still has the hunger & vision to win he had years ago .
It's crazy to me because the concession for safety that the FIA is making because it wasn't that dangerous is the fact the drivers only have to lift a little bit to acknowledge it. If there was more things they would have to slow down more. It's crazy to me how far people are going to defend something that could the endanger the lives of Marshalls because that's what double waved yellows are meant to protect
so says Karun the guy who has the best finish of 17th out of 22 cars.
😅
In my opinion, Noami is a good addition, but she says a lot of nothing. She parrots the same commentary or the obvious sound bites.
Of course, they will wheel out Naomi to discuss Lewis. Stereotypical!
lol Karun? What is his track record as driver? Yeah nothing he said is relevant, Naomie is nice but again irrelevant what she said 🤨
....Karun not been watching the last few races....Lawson has gone backwards with the one decent result by running long in the first race on Hards..... (though, compared to Perez....different story)
U can't have different rules for different tracks for flags!
Subjective double waved yellows; George Russell, "The safety car just drove into me!!!"
Matt Baker's hair care products have eaten away the last few brain cells he had.
1. GR will NEVER be in a championship battle with Max.
2. ANYONE who irritates Max ends up paying a far bigger price.
There’s no one on the grid right now who can hold a candle to Max. He’s so far ahead of the rest that I almost feel bad for them-and he’s only just entering his prime. That’s genuinely scary.
Leclerc will do to Hamilton what he did to Vettel. Everyone knows it but some do not want to accept it.
Georges is an idiot, he was probably looking at dials on his steering wheel like when he crashed because Alonso braked.
I’m a big time Lewis fan, but looking at this from an unbiased perspective:
With a competitive car, on race pace Lewis can still be very good. So I don’t think Ferrari will worry in that sense. But his qualifying this year has been shocking with a few exceptions and he definitely needs to fix that. On qualifying next year he won’t beat Leclerc; but, as his long term pace and tyre management is very good, he may not need to. Not saying he shouldn’t shoot for it. I think Lewis will pick up a few wins and even the odd pole next year. But the field will be super competitive and honestly, Verstappen is just incredibly talented. Top of his game right now, he will be hard to stop. The only sure fire way that Max will lose is if the Red Bull car is substantially worse than the others and the pace is obviously lacking, but I don’t see that being the case, even with Newey gone. I would probably still put Max as the favourite to win next year, but I don’t think Ferrari should be worried about Lewis. He’s probably just ran out of steam at Merc, and it’s natural that the guy staying is going to have the better car too, although not loads. But Lewis will be back for sure next year.
Geurge did a F1 Schwalbe and got rewarded for it. That is german national football team area and every dutchy will averse against it !
Same as 2012 lewis was looking tired and old towards end of the season
2013 Lewis looked fresh and young again enjoying driving for new team
Karun saying a big flat circuit with lots of view, so what about George?
Your forgetting George is British 😮😢
So many people willfully missing the point about Max and George. He's not mad about going to the stewards, what made him mad was that George acted like everything was cool and he wasn't going to make a big deal about it to Max after, and then once they were in the stewards' room acted like Max had murdered him. That's what he said. What made him mad was the inconsistency and how far George went. Max has been in the stewards' room with plenty of drivers for stuff and not had reactions like this, it was clearly a different level.
Russell is a silver spoon 🥄
it looks barely impossible for haas to score 6 points to get that 6th position in the constructor's championship.
Hamilton will be fine. He is struggling to cope with this car and mentally checked out and just wants to get into the fezza
If it was anyone else but Lewis, I would be more worried. I think with a car that he can trust on the edge, Lewis will quickly bounce back. At least I hope so!