In Bob We Trust Special Preview - REALLY THAT BAD: WHY "BATMAN V SUPERMAN?"
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MovieBob's REALLY THAT GOOD video series will set it's positive mission-statement aside for a single installment investigating one of the worst major films of the decade. Find out why it's happening, and why the subject in question was chosen.
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That opening is the reason why I like Moviebob. He has true perspective of criticism as analysis outside of the vanity of intellectual elitism.
Ti My I can't like this enough times
I feel the same way.
The only problem with Bob is that his fast paced talking and eloquently broad vocabulary makes him appear elitist and snobby to exactly the sort of plebians that would watch a movie like batman v superman and think it 'pretty dope'. We're talking about the kind of person that wouldn't be able to sit through the first minute of this video before becoming angry and/or bored. It's for good reason that the smartest people on the planet tend to be the most depressed and more often than not have a bleek view of the world and society.. sadly.
Everything Bob does is for the vanity of intellectual elitism. The series is called "IN BOB WE TRUST" for crying out loud!
@John
Bob has never advocated for genocide. The closest he's ever come was saying "IF X-men was real, THEN I would be easily persuaded into advocating for Magneto. But Magneto is fictional, so advocating for Magneto is stupid".
Dang, Bob, how long does it take you to write these things? Your scripts are ridiculously tight.
He's a brilliant writer and critic, I don't know about that other business.
John Spetsnaz
Movie Bob is an SJW. Quite the opposite of a Nazi, more akin to a communist...
John Spetsnaz get a hobby
John Spetsnaz Jesus, dude, up the fucking dosage.
I'm more excited for this than the actual justice league movie
tell me about
Yes yes yes yes yes yes
Low bar, mate. :P
True dat
I'll be watching this. Can't say the same for anything else Warner Brothers drops in the DC universe. (Possibly Wonder Woman)
Folding Ideas did a good job of deconstructing (from a mechanical perspective) how Suicide Squad was just incoherently bad - I would agree with him and you that SS wouldn't have met the criteria for a Really That Bad because it simply wasn't trying as hard as BvS to be so serious about itself. I also like The Dom's adaptation analysis - not quite as academic as yours or the Folding Ideas - but focused on purely the quality of adaptation from one medium to another. So those are two other folks people can check out for this sort of fairly serious criticism of films, each with a specific focus on one part of the process.
"Why cant u guys just relax n enjoi the movie? God u dont have 2 b so srs all the teim."
Just came to say, YES to Lindsay Ellis's "The Whole Plate" series! I learn a lot and laugh a lot!
Also, very excited for the one Really That Bad episode! That film has so much going on in it...real shame it was so poorly made.
Just came to say, YES M/0vie/Bob is a /P E d 0/
The first ever superhero film made 40 years ago should have been by all means a complete mess of a failed first attempt. Yet Donner and Reeves proved us all a man could fly and indeed soar higher then ever on the first try. 40 years on after Raimi, Nolan, Whedon, Feige, Jenkins and so many others proved it works, why the heck did this one fail so terribly? Because no one gave a damn, didn't care one bit for the material and followed the horrible idea that nastier and cruel means deep and meaningful. 14:50 really summed up my hatred for this film.
Romano Coombs just curious, what anime are you referring to?
Yay Lindsay Ellis shoutout! She's doing really great stuff. Also worth checking out (in no small part because of his emphasis on positive analysis) is Movies With Mikey - think you'd dig it.
hollandscottthomas Part of why I think Bob's in a better place to do a Really That Bad than when he started is because of the explosion of real good movie critique channels like Every Frame A Painting and Renegade Cut and suchlike.
It feels less like Bob's the only counterbalance of "remember that movies can be good?"
She's ok sometimes.
Lindsay is great and her Transformer series especially enlightening, and Mikey is also awesome
Yeah Mikey's is amazing. Check it out!
hollandscottthomas I ate da hole plate
Serious, well thought out, and reasonable. This is why I subscribe to BOB
Agreed. I like it when I know where a critic's coming from and they give well thought out reasons for their opinions, which BOB fits the bill on both accounts.
Durango Savage Bob sucks...
Holy crap, now I really want to hear a short video on your thoughts on Passion of the Christ. Ive never seen it (even though I'm christian) and I thought it was an established okay to good film so your take on it has me intrigued.
I don't think that film was ever really established as good or okay. It really doesn't have a message, but it shows all the signs of thinking it has a message, and amounts to two hours worth of meaningless torture porn, showcasing nothing other than the base, physical pain Christ endured during crucifixion, and that's about it.
Bob has done videos about Christ representation in the past that mention dozens of the other, superior Christ films that all had something to say, but the Passion isn't one of them.
Thing is, at the time it was widely watched cause its A) about christ and B) whatever its faults, EARNEST.
Diamanda hagan did a full review of it that i love, but its the kind of video where she plays Devo's "Whip It" over a torture scene, so know what your getting into.
Yeah, he ended up giving quite a pitch for that video. Still holding out hope
Well, Roger Ebert gave it 4 out of 4 stars, so. The film has a lot more meaning and "punch" if you believe that it is something that really happened, like watching a WW2 movie. It's basically "torture porn", but if you read the New Testament, everything that happens in the movie, in terms of torture, happens in the Bible. It's brutal, but it was always brutal. Images speak louder than words. If you were ever brought to tears reading or hearing about Christ being beaten and crucified, you'll never stop crying during the movie.
My mom dragged me to see Passion of the Christ when it came out. I thought part of the premise of the work was rather bold and intriguing, namely that it was a realistically presented story taking place in antiquity where the characters speak the ancient dead languages that were used in that time period (Aramaic, Latin, and Hebrew) with English subtitles. Not many people would have the balls to try to mass market that kind of conceit and I was impressed and ready to be impressed further going in. And then I watched it. It was boring. And depressing.
Depressing because it spends most of its time being a starkly realistic portrayal of injustice. The arrest, trial, torture, and execution of a man for the commission of a victimless religious "crime". People really did torture and kill each other for heresy. That's horrifying, and showing the gory detail of one story of this happening is basically all this movie does.
Boring because it doesn't construct, show, or tell the audience what the point is. You're expected to already know and deeply care about the point before you set foot in the theater. If you go in either not knowing the backstory, or more likely knowing it but thinking it's fictional (as I did), the movie itself doesn't do much to invest you in the events that it portrays, or do anything to try to convince you that this one particular religious execution both a) actually happened, and b) carried (and still carries) profound metaphysical importance for the fate of people's "souls". For anyone who isn't already a believer, there really is no greater emotional weight to the movie than the torture porn.
Mr. Chipman: I'd totally be your therapist, if it meant I got to hear what you'd have to say about The Passion...
I'd love to hear what you have to say about that flick.
Among other things he'd have to point out that the film is basically just Mel Gibson going "THE JEWS!!!" which shouldn't really be surprising given that Gibson background of Holocaust denialism.
Bob, do you think you can do a Really That Good for Battle Royale? It's one of the few foreign films that seem so entrenched in American cinema to the point where every similar story is automatically called a 'Battle Royale' ripoff. I think there could be some good stuff to explore there.
Jordan Loux Huh... that could be interesting.
I know exactly where Bob's coming from. My friends and I had a three month long groupchat with problems we had with BvS and our own ideas on what could make it better or even good.
I hope he takes a good chunk of time talking about why there's a vocal minority of people who love this movie.
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+John Spetsnez Dude. Take a chill pill, get some therapy, and stay off your computer for the next year or so.
Honestly I do feel that some movies and shows need a "really that bad" teardown and Batman v Superman is definetively one of them. When I try to tear it down myself I honestly can't figure out where to start and what parts really need to be torn down because there are so many. A really that bad episode of Batman v Superman is definetively gonna offer some catharsis.
VelkanKiador there's also a 10 minute wisecrack video on why it's bad
I made a video about why it's bad. Although, it's nothing compared to the in depth analysis Bob's going to give. Can't wait.
VelkanKiador Guys, Batman V Superman is a 6 on a scale of 1-10. Its servicable but its not the fucking end of the world. If we want to really discuss bad movies, please look at the George Clooney Batman films or Superman Returns. Its hard enough for me to defend this decent film that was unable to live up to the hype that it built up. ee'
(For the record, i'm a Marvel fan. I do this for the sake of my dad who loves DC Comics.)
Thank you Bob, thank you for not getting sucked into the abyss to the degree you want to make this a regular series. I'm not subscribed to CinemaSins anymore, but I am to you. I've enjoyed Really That Good and all of the hard work you put into it.
Really that Good is probably one of the best things I get to watch on TH-cam. Moviebob's criticism is one of the reasons I skipped BvsS so for me this will be like watching the movie.
that national lampoon analysis should get a prize or some shit
Slammed that like button for the CinemaSins dragging alone.
(I... I know that's contrary to the point of the video, but...)
I mean, it's a super worthy reason for it.
I see Cinemasins like Southpark sees Family guy and I like them both. I also like Bob and Cinemasins.
Same.
Way back when Mobiebob first slammed Cinema Sins (I think that was a column on The Escapist) I liked the show. And I didn't agree with the criticism that it somehow replaced the actual movie watching experience, or something to that effect (it's been a while). I found that bit of criticism particularly ironic given Bob's praise for MS3TK, a format that does replace watching the movie as intended with watching a snarky commentary. You can argue that, given their choice in movies, this was preferable. But I didn't get why one would considere that a negative side of Cinema Sins, when their videos were something I watched after I'd seen the movie, or if I knew I was never gonna bother with the original movie anyway.
But I've stopped following Cinema Sins. My main problem with it today is that their videos got too long. The simple format of rapid-fire pointing out funny nitpicks or actual plotholes was fine, but "Brevity is wit" is in full force here. That stuff is funny in a 5 minute video, but 20 minutes of it? That's about a fourth the length of a typical movie. I didn't feel the format worked for that at all.
Still watch Honest Trailers though.
Chris McFeely totes with you
Wait...wait...Gangs Of New York failed?! How? Genuinely confused here.
If you like positive cinema reviews, you should check out CinemaWins (not Cinema*Sins*, *Wins*). They're basically the opposite of cinema sins and the guy who creates them does really in-depth analysis of the positive sides of movies.
Charles Or... just make your own CinemaSins/Wins and don't rely too heavily on what other people say.
GoodMachines I do do that. I’m just pointing out a good positive movie review channel since bob pointed out he doesn’t like CinemaSins.
Charles OK, fair enough.
Doing the opposite of CinemaSins doesn't seems like a worse idea than CinemaSins.
ALL THIS WAS A PREVIEW!... the final video is going to last 3 hours.
Is that even remotely supposed to make logic??
Well it is really *that* bad that it could deserve a three hour video.
In the end, nearly 4 hours and worth most of that time
XD! Not only did you call it, it went on for FOUR! And if you enjoyed seeing a movie torn apart for four hours infinitely more than you enjoyed watching the movie itself for only two, that's how you know a film is *really* that bad.
I'm glad you directed people to Lindsey Ellis. She's produced some amazing video essays since dropping the "Nostalgia Chick" moniker.
She had some really good essays as the "Nostalgia Chick" too. But it's true that she's improved a lot in the last two-three years. She's always been insightful and funny, but now she's got something that multiplies all of that: experience.
John Spetsnaz 670000 subscribers and zero content?
John Spetsnaz did Bob say something new and crazy that I haven't heard of?
XanderVJ yeah, but she was really hot rockin' those pigtails!! :) I mean, she is still hot without 'em. But she was even hotter with them! ...That said, yes I agree, her reviews have only grown and matured in recent years.
I neither saw nor intend to see _Batman v. Superman_, but now I'm interested in Bob's analysis of the greater significance of its failings.
Honestly, if you're interested in filmmaking and critique, I do recommend watching it. The experience will be slow and painful, but you'll be turning it over in your mind for months afterwards trying to pin down what specifically drags that movie down. It's that rare kind of movie that's fascinatingly bad. The kind that's worth thinking about, even though it's not worth watching twice.
Hm, seems like Rifftrax has posted that they intend to do a riff of it. I'll give that a watch!
I don't think I've ever seen the Pixels video. I fell in love with moviebob's content from his days on Screw Attack.
Guess I'll look for that video now.
I do not envy you the ordeal doing this review must be, and you have my sympathy. But, in a way, I'm also looking forward to the review(albeit with a great deal of apprehension), as I trust that you'll be able to reverse engineer this catastrophic mess and give some explanation as to how the hell it ended up like this.
Good luck Mr. Chipman.
You need to do a series of videos as a preview for the other video? Just how long is the full video going to actually be?!
Really That Long.
JackgarPrime Well the Really that good episodes are typically around and hour long.
Well Plinkett's was three feature length tear downs of the prequels. Moviebob's RTG series seems to average our to an hour per episode, so my guess that this "one time" event could end up being at least 90 minutes. I'm hyped.
You're forgetting, he needs the hype and anger train to be at full tilt to maximise viewers for this "opus"
It takes like an hour for me and someone to go through all the problems in batman v superman so its gonna be a long video. probably.
Damn, Jeremy and the crew over at CinemaSins really made some enemies over the years. I had no idea their content was so reviled. I still like it, though there have been a few occasions where they got a little too nitpicky (see their videos on *The Witch* or *Captain America: The Winter Soldier* for examples). And even their videos for genuinely bad movies like *Jumper* seem to intentionally miss details clearly addressed in the film to justify a sin. Huh...why do I like that channel again?
The Dashboard Good question.
Well... Their videos are supposed to be humorous and not genuine criticism, so they can be forgiven for nitpicking or missing on justified plot points. My issue with them is that they never made me chuckle once, but if you do find them funny, good for you.
The main issue seems to be that so many people see CinemaSins content as valid movie critique, when they’ve been admitted assholes that have seen a bunch of movies & make a bunch of nitpicking jokes about the films they’ve seen since day one! I enjoy their stuff because I don’t take their work that seriously, but the actual reviewers that went to school for this can barely get 100K subscribers while Jeremy, Chris & company have over 8 million for basically just joking around does seem to be the other big reason for the ire against CinemaSins.
The difference between 'Howard The Duck', and 'Batman V. Superman' was that 'Howard The Duck' at least knew that it's basic premise was already silly, and ridiculous. So George Lucas, and Willard Hyuck just ran with it. Sure there were 'duck tits', a condom, and an awkward bed scene, but at least the movie was fun like most of the comics. It may lack the social satire that the comics were known for, but it did have a lot of fun moments. (Thankfully, Howard's reputation has been restore in the 'Guardians Of The Galaxy' films) 'Batman V. Superman' was like watching two beloved pop culture icons in a dark, dreary, depressing world that sucks all the joy they once had out of their system. Thanks in large part to Warner Bros. assumption that in order for Superman to be 'cool', he has to be like Batman, when he's suppose to be the exact opposite of Batman. Warner Bros. problem with DC heroes is that they've relyed on Batman as a crutch for FAR too long, and are afraid to give other DC heroes a shot for fear that people won't latch onto them.
Superman wasn't like Batman there though, if anything he was the mirror opposite, Batman is a dogmatic asshole who never stops or listen to reason until it's almost too late while Superman on the contrary is a bit too humble and sensitive to criticism to second guess the motivations of those railing against him.
Thank god. I have been slamming this movie for a long time. It's one of the most disappointing films I've ever seen and consistently it blows my mind considering the source material and rich history of the characters to draw from and still it gets everything so damn wrong. As a result it has also made me more critical of Snyder as a director and storyteller making his flaws more apparent. I used to think his Watchmen movie was a mostly faithful adaptation of the comic but upon further analysis I noticed he missed a lot of the point of some very specific subjects and emotional moments. There were certain scenes that really stood out to me from the comic that didn't feel as punctuated in the film and that comes from Snyder's spectacle focused filmmaking style that tends to neglect the smaller details that in reality make a scene come together.
I love listening to Bob tearing this movie to shreds. Can't wait!
I've listened to his review so many times, I can practically quote the thing. Such a piece of crap movie.
Stina Bringsarve he's actually helping DC By doing so...people have bought the BVS blue ray because of idiots like bob..
Sometimes, it simply has to be said the way you put it: "You have that right--to be wrong." I've often had to explain to my students that you are entitled to that opinion and we should be considerate of it as such, but that in no way means that a tasteless opinion is as worthwhile as an objectively correct one. On other lines, I didn't realize how much I would appreciate or that I needed a video explaining "Really That Bad," so thank you for drawing us back to your "Really That Good" thesis to bring it all together. I'm pumped for the product itself!
I remember when there were still people trying to defend this garbage film particularly after the UC came out. Now that some time has passed, more people seem to be realizing that not only was Boring vs Shit not good; it's one of the worst CB films period. It's easy on the same level as FF 2015, Cat woman, or Batman and Robin. It's nothing but a 3 hour boring pretentious mess, and a complete embarrassment on every level.
What the hell are you talking about?
I still see people defending this garbage. They didn't stop and realize anything.
I should have specified, and said some people. There will always be holdouts that can't admit their movie was garbage. It's the same problem with people that think the Fifty Shades and Transformer movies are good.
Steve Beshel and Suicide Squad
"That company that Warner Brothers has a 30% stake in has a bias against Warner Brothers movies!
They're clearly Marvel/Disney sell outs!"
If I'm remembering correctly, it was for both BvS and SS. They were angry BvS got bad reviews and saw SS's as proof there was some sort of Disney controlled conspiracy against DC movies.
Holy shit! Yes!!! I've been waiting for this!!!
I think we all know the real reason Bob is doing this video is because somebody charmed him with Jolly Ranchers
Actually Bob, I discovered you from your Really That Good episode of Transformers: The Movie & have binge watched your content to make work nights go by much smoother
I like how "Dawn of Justice" seemingly cannot be said outloud without sounding at least a little sarcastic. Like you can hear the eye rolling that comes along with it.
I keep having to remind myself that that music was actually used unironically in a major Hollywood film. It sounds like the kind of thing parodies use to make fun of overly-pompous scores.
This is a little bit self indulgent..... and 18 min video which covers its major "why I don't do Really That Bad" premise succinctly.
Then goes on for 9 mins of listicle with vague pejorative venom and no backup. Would have REALLY loved it if you had kept this one a bit more edited.......
Its not supposed to back it up. The whole point of that latter half of the video is why he picked BvS specifically.
if there was one film that I want movie Bob to do really that bad on, it would have to be "THE LAST AIRBENDER"! Not only was that film just completely abysmal, but it desecrated the cartoon series legend that was "Avatar, the last airbender". I feel the movie just symbolizes the always been apparent trend of movie studio and directors not giving a single shit about a film because the purpose of the film was only to make a quick cash grab manipulating the nostalgia of the fan base that came before.
Now all we need is a NOT THAT BAD, to defend films generally considered bad. The Transformers was kinda that, but since it was a mid 80's toys commercial kid's movie, it didn't really have an established critical consensus, and it also had a big fanbase who loves it, I'm thinking more along the lines of The Big Picture Sucker Punch episodes
NOT THAT BAD Spiderman 3
@@GreekDudeYiannis
He did a video called "You Are Wrong About SPIDER-MAN 3".
Hi Bob,
I've been watching weekly since EttM, I think you preserve a love of movies and criticism that otherwise may have died with Ebert. I consider you a hero. I'm going to start contributing on Patreon.
I remember leaving a comment on a video saying I hoped you wouldn't keep chasing the angry shtick. There's something magical in a very TH-cam way that you had the same thought and were so serious about taking control of that. Not that I think my comment influenced you, but that we had the same thought and your creative output reclected a response to that thought.
I think the most constructive improvement you could make to Really That Good would be to release it as a series of 10 minute chunks, over the course of a few weeks, then at the conclusion post the entire hour long version. It's a lot of information to process, and breaking it into chunks would help with referencing a specific point you made, rather than digging through an hour looking for one five minute bit.
You're the smartest guy out here. Keep killing it!
O.k. I am 12:23 into this video, and Bob is still talking about his process. For the record it was 9:30 before he even started showing pictures of the movie in the background. AND YES I get what he is doing, making allusions to the movie through the framing device of his process lecture(though again that only started 9:30 into it). Here is the thing, this vid is 18min. 22sec. long, that means that just 1second under half of this vid was an advertisement for his tertiary video series, and one in which he compares his own work to Newton's, "modern day," reestablishment of the scientific method(because that is what newton did for science... not, "inventing gravity," and Bob makes it clear that, that is something he knows). More over, the point of that first 9 minutes was to clearly establish that he is interested in doing deep analyses of the movies he covers in this series.... and then continues on to make brief allusions to flaws that, "could," get a movie mentioned on, "Really That Bad," without discussing how THIS movie exemplifies those problems. As I said I am only at 12:23 maybe he eventually gets to it..... but 12:23 is 75% of the way through the video already so if he eventually does actually deeply examine the film it is only after spending 3/4ths. of it intellectually masturbating himself. In short... to Bob Chippman: I am done. I LOVED, "Movie Bob," and, "In BOB We Trust," for so so long. I have to admit, until this year... I had disagreed with your reviews on only 2 occasions(and only because I thought that the movies were so bad that they were good again), but at this point you speak with your head planted so very deeply, up your own ass hole; I can no longer stand the smell of your head when you come up to breath. In other words, this video was the last straw for me. After I finish it, I am sorry, but I am done. THANK YOU BOB, for the years and years of the TRUE entertainment you have given me I will never forget them, but I can't watch you anymore.
- Thugorp T. Gnome -
You should have read the title of the video : it is not his "Really that bad" episode, it is a preview were he explains why he chose this example. Of course he spends a lot of time on that, it's the whole point of the video. The criticism in itself comes at a later date.
I mean, you have the right to find Bob arrogant and pedantic and stop watching because of that, but at least try to not completely miss his points.
See you at the next video
Why, would I see you at the next vid? Yah, this vid. wasn't to be the actual video, instead it was a full 19 minute add for a 1 off video, the add consisting entirely of him tooting his own horn for doing nothing more than him tooting his own horn.
Thugorp Because your a long time viewer. And one video that doesn't meet your fancy probably isn't enough to keep you away. I disagree with things Bob says all the time. Still a viewer.
You are right, it's just.... *sigh* I like Bob, if we met, we would probably get along.... probably, we agree on most things form movies to politics. But over the years he has gotten more and more arrogant, more over over this year he has gotten more and more political, and not just on In Bob We Trust(I like in bob we trust). Don't get me wrong, I dispyse the ideals that President Don John Trump(Don John*roles eyes*) made his own during his campaign. I partisipated in the demonstrations at airports during the first muslim ban, I call congress about net nutrality EVERY DAY. But I used to watch Bob because he would put politics and political corectness aside duirng his reviews and JUST talk about them from the point of view of cinamatography and fandome. The world is all politics all the time, and bob used to be my island of rest. I can deal with that not being the case any more I get it Really, he has a voice he wants to use it. BUT at the same time he has become more and more smug, and now finally, he tricked me into watching a near 20min long ADD. This video is nothign more than an ADVERTISEMENT for another video. NO FUCK YOU. I get that he might not have thought of it that way, He thought, "I AM GREAT! People will need warning to ready their minds for the brilliance that I am going to unleash upon them." Cool, mean while I was just tricked into watching an add for what frankly half of his videos used to be. A negitive movie review. I simply just can't any more. I have run out of can, and now I can't so yes sorry really, sorry, and thank you for the good times, but no, I am done.
I can in all honesty say, watching bvs on the big screen, was my absolute worst movie experience. I don't know if I can ever heal from the wounds I suffered that night, it still hunts me.
I hated Batman v Superman. I'm so excited for this!
Knocking Cinemasins is somewhat out of place when you preface the statement with the youtube "video essay scene". The Cinemasins channel is as close to film critique as the international egg throwing championship is to culinary review. Not that genre.
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Maybe he mentions them because a depressive amount of people see Cinema Sins as a genuine point of reference in film critique.
XanderVJ exactly. If the adding points, random bonus rounds and running jokes weren't a tip off, it is a series for jokes and not legit criticism
XanderVJ If that's the case, Bob should take it up with the fans, not CS. Jeremy can't really be held responsible for how his fans treat movies nowadays.
Sure he can, if he's noticed the rampant misinterpretation and has not changed his content in response. Or even if he hasn't noticed, because uh, that would have to be willful ignorance at this point.
I am so very sorry, but, I have to go watch Everything Wrong With Batman V Superman now.
Rambem 11 Watch Everything Good from CinemaWins also.
8:30 is when Bob actually starts talking about Superman vs Batman. I swear he can't make a video that I don't want to dislike.
Well... You have set up more hype in me then Batman v. Superman ever did. And I knew that the movie was not going to be great from the concept alone.
This does seem to be a prime subject for Really That Bad. A movie that pretty much everyone agrees is bad but not enough people talk about WHY it's bad. In other words, exactly the opposite of Really That Good.
I actually rewatched Grace Randolph's review and coverage of this movie recently. It was fucking hilarious. She called the movie perfect several times in her spoiler review. Took every perceived slight extremely personal, and frankly went off the deep end. I've enjoyed the hell out of really that good and looking forward to this.
Marcus Luera really? That's sad.
Grace's taste in films never aligned well with mine, but I still liked her channel since I find it pretty interesting to hear different opinions. I also liked her box office recap videos. But the BvS thing was what made me unsubscribe her channel. It wasn't even her review. I remember thinking, "Well, Grace likes it," when I watched her review, and didn't think much else. Like I wasn't mad or annoyed, I just thought that BvS was going to be just an OK film based upon what I had heard at that point. But then she got into a Twitter fight with some other critics/YTers over the whole "MCU is paying for good reviews" conspiracy. I just couldn't call myself a fan after that.
MyssBlewm that's pretty much what did her in for me as well. It was so hypocritical of her to point her finger at people and say they have an agenda. Basically implying she doesn't. Hell some of the time she didn't even get it right when she attacked people. She accused Campia, but he actually liked and gave BvS a good review.
I really, really, *really* appreciate the effort to speak fast yet keep good pronunciation. It's a little touch that shows respect for the audience. Thanks so much
That Wonder Woman theme song is still dope, right? Right!?!
Been a watcher of Bob's for some time. As a long time film buff myself I've always enjoyed his intelligent, articulate, and thought provoking examinations, explorations, and in some cases eviscerations of films and the impact on and context in which they exist in society. If he is spending an entire video to explain, in minute detail, why BvS and only BvS will be the subject of his one "Really THAT Bad" reviews then it means he's had a lot of time to pick through the entire movie, organize his thoughts, and deliver the last word on that cinematic trainwreck that can and probably will finally put the apologists to bed and end the whole sad, sorry debate once and for all.
And on a personal note, I actually get the feeling this will also be some real catharsis for him. He's made no secret of his disdain for BvS and how the events of the last year have...not sat well with him. To have the chance to blow off some steam taking apart such a deserving target will no doubt do wonders for his personal calm.
Or to put it another way, right now BvS is tied to chair and a dim, single bulb lit room with Bob standing before it, sleeves rolled up, cracking his knuckles and saying with a lopsided grin in that distinctive Bostonian accent: "Scream all ya want bitch. No one's gonna to hear ya."
I have always thought that there is a GOLD MINE in BvS's flawed morality and its themes. Glad to see the only guy on the internet besides from the RLM crew who dig into the moral meat of a film go after this one.
Jack Diseker You should watch Renegade Cut's analysis on Batman v Superman.
I have a question. Will your analysis be over the extended cut, or the theatrical release?
I absolutely DESPISED Batman v Superman. It is literally the worst fucking superhero movie I've ever seen. I can't freaking wait for moviebob to tear that travesty of a film a new asshole because it insulted me as a movie fan, a DC fan, and most importantly as a superhero movie fan.
Except you're not really any of the things you just described yourself as...
"It is literally the worst fucking superhero movie I've ever seen." Really now...?
The Shadow, FF 2015, Brenda Starr, Howard the Duck, The Spirit, Hulk (the Ang Lee piece of trash), TMNT III, Tank Girl, Barb Wire, Spawn, Superman IV:The Quest For Peace, Steel, Catwoman, Elextra, Ghost Rider:Spirit of Vengeance, X Men Origins:Wolverine, do I REALLY need to go on...?
BvS:Dawn of Justice is worse than any of those...??? Really...???
You know nothing and are so full of crap that it's now coming out of your mouth, or more correctly your fingers since you had to type what you did...
Grow up, do some research, quit being a mindless bandwagon jumper and try to see past your feeble keyboard warrior justice minded attitude...
Opinions are opinions but dang dude, calm down with the ridiculous exaggerations...and if you still REALLY think that BvS is the worst superhero film you've ever seen, then I legit feel bad/sorry for you...
+frehleyisgod it's bad enough for that criticism to be reasonable. Yes, even after the movies you mentioned. Some of those movies (Electra for example) nobody saw. And Ang Lee's Hulk doesn't screw up as bad as BVS.
+frehleyisgod the bigger they are the harder they fall and BVS is the biggest failure superhero movies probably ever reached.
Nobody saw...? How ignorant are you...??? Look up every movie I listed on Box Office Mojo and they have the total grosses for each which means...wait for it...SOMEBODY SAW THEM...
Keep telling yourself that...
As Bob enumerated every single criterion he used to determine his worst movie of all time, I slowly realized that everything he's saying about BvS is exactly how I feel about The Dark Knight Rises.
romxxii The Dark Knight Rises is Citizen Kane compared to Batman v Superman.
Gangs of New York wasn't a disaster
I agree
When I first saw you were doing this, my immediate thought was "Geez, Bob is really beating a dead horse with this movie," but this intro video convinced me otherwise. You nailed all the points of why it's worth a revisit.
That bit about Cinema Sins... I WANT TO KISS YOU!
When this thing hits the channel, I will have myself a five star dinner and crack open a bottle of wine, while Bob serenades me with the delightful sounds of him eviscerating this movie. Oh, what a day that will be!
"Did you have the right to be wrong"
Say the guy who defend Other M plot.
You know that phenomenon that occurs when the person talking to you doesn't take a breath so you don't take one either? Had to remind myself to breath a few times watching this. GREAT Writing Bob. Can't wait for more. You looking forward to Justice League?
We did it guys, he's finally doing it.
*tips hat*
*flies away*
Holy shit. Got the same chills when Bob said "Really that Bad" as when he usually says "Really that Good". Way to go.
I'm psyched for your RTB for BvS. I too have been enjoying Lindsay's Transformers series. I'm sure you get a ton of bad ideas for movies that should get a Really That Good episode, well here is mine, The Rocky Horror Picture show.
Leave it to Bob to entirely deconstruct a movie with only a single reference to it directly. Beautifully done, your eminence
Honestly can't wait. Lindsay Ellis shout out was top notch. She's doing amazing work👌
I'm still trying to figure out how Wonder Woman was spawned from this.
I don't even like Cinema Sins much, but I wonder if a lot of video critics dislike him on a deeper level because of his success...the dude has over 7 million subscribers and basically all his videos have more views than Bob's most-watched one on this channel, same goes if you compare him to the Cinema Snob and many other talented reviewers. It's hard not to resent someone objectively very successful when they're not that good at their work
The last time I saw The Incredibles I was still too young to really notice themes in fiction. Now that you've pointed them out, I don't know how to feel about that movie anymore.
I'm really looking forward to your one and only Really that Bad. It is really baffling on how a film that had 450 million dollar budget and had so much effort put into it turn into such a disaster. Out of all the terrible decisions made in regards to that movie, my biggest issue was the portrayal of Lex Luthor. My god, what were they thinking?!
They were thinking that in the modern age, the biggest industries are tech companies, often spearheaded by younger people. They wanted to show a young tycoon left in a state of arrested development by his traumatic childhood now running wild and free after the death of his father gave him the world. Unfortunately, when you have to dig that deep to figure that out, one can't help but think the filmmakers could have done a better job conveying that aspect of the character.
They did why else would they hire the guy that played Mark Zuckerberg? Updating Lex into a Tech CEO is the same as when they took Lex out of the Mad Science Labs and Bond Villain lairs of yesteryear and put him in the Board Room in the 80's.
I understand that characters get updates and you're going to get different interpretation of characters depending on who's making it, but this was a bad update if you ask me, terrible in fact. I don't want to see an erratic, nonsensical version of the maker of Facebook as Lex Luthor. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I hated this version of the character.
Well...it's NOT Lex Luthor...so there's that...
It's certainly not. That much we agree on.
I haven't watched BvS yet.. Should I watch it before MovieBob's video?
Its hot garbage that will leave you thinking about it for years to come. There's lots of bad movies but BvS is special. Suicide Squad is "shit" but BvS is an "experience." Hard to recommend but its, uh, something all right. Like if you had to watch a bad movie you'd at least get something out of BvS.
Bob will likely reference his RTG Superman video at some point so if you haven't consider giving tht a watch too.
Thanks.
How exactly does Gangs of New York fail?
I don't get that either? It's a great movie. If anything, Leonardo's charcter is the weak link, but even so it's not awful.
Anthony Aranas It's kind of forgettable...
GoodMachines so is citizen Kane. At least to a modern viewer. That doesn't make it a failure.
Anthony Aranas No, Citizen Kane is VERY memorable.
GoodMachines- I've seen it multiple times and it's far from forgettable. Daniel Day Lewis is incredible (if hammy) and I love the shot with the immigrants getting off the boat and signing up for the Civil War while coffins are being loaded aboard. That shot alone makes the whole movie for me, but I also love the period and characters and details. It just doesn't have a really strong narrative - just a weak revenge plot that you never care much about. Not the best movie but a long ways from Scorsese's worst.
Kudos on the introduction. Yes, I'm one of those who found you online because of the Pixels review, but what kept me watching has been by perception that even when you're raging out, it's because you have an earnest love for this medium and resent the times when you, and we, all get scammed by some schmuck who dials it in for a film and yet promotes it as though it's not a 2 hour sucking chest wound.
I'm genuinely hyped for this
"Some of you may disagree with me and you have that right... to be wrong."
Ouch, sick burn, Bob!
Wasn't this uploaded briefly yesterday.
Yeah but there was something weird with the audio so he took it down and reuploaded today.
Nevarenn [EGN] Thanks, I thought I was going crazy for a second.
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Popo Bawa that is true
While I applaud Bob's approach to making positive reviews of genuinely good movies, and I personally never felt as though I needed to see a "really that bad" I would like it if the answer to "really that good" would at least once in a while be "no, it's not really that good" just as a point of intellectual honesty--if you're setting out to take a critical eye to popular and well-received movies, then at least some of the time you should expect to find a movie that was just plain okay, but was rose-colored by nostalgia, over-hyped by aggressive/viral marketing campaigns, or otherwise fell into widespread acclaim that doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
Case in point: Transformers. Now, I love that movie, and I know it practically by heart. But I think that if not for reading into it a meta-narrative about the role of corporate patronage in the arts, it would not hold up as "really that good" and it certainly doesn't hold up for viewers who didn't grow up on transformers as kids.
I like the Really That Good series, but if the stated premise is to question if so-called "good movies" are actually deserving of such praise then when the answer is always "yes" I start thinking that maybe the real premise is "here's a movie I like and half an hour of reasons why"--something I'd still watch and enjoy, but my complaint is one of intellectual honesty; if Bob never answers "no" then I'm going to question how many installments of the series were abandoned because the analysis came to the "wrong" conclusion. (Or what aspects of said analysis were omitted to fit the "right" conclusion.)
Randall Stephens Tim Burton's Batman would be a good episode for that since he said it doesn't hold up
Wait what? When did he say that? That's HERESY! Joking aside, I always wondered why american nerds hate the Tim Burton Batman movies so much. Yeah, the Nolan movies were mostly good (TDKR however is clearly a movie that didn't have any heart put in it) but the more pulpy and grotesque side of Batman really comes alive in those movies.
Probably unrelated but I think Cinema Sins, by just pointing out flaws in the flick, with air quotes as appropriate, actually puts a viewer in a position of "Hey you probably saw this flick and missed these details. You should go watch it again" and promotes reviewing a movie with a more detailed eye and focus. So yes, it sounds like negativity, it looks like negativity, but it's a Movie-Positive group. Watch movies of all kinds, and pay attention to what kicks you out of the experience. Make sure you don't make these mistakes in your own films, if you do make them.
Of course, now the related part, I am super excited for this one time deal of Really That Bad, but I'm honestly wondering if you are going to do a "Really that bad?" which would be a movie that is culturally stated to be the worst thing ever, and you prove that "No, it really isn't. It's perfectly fine, serviceable, or in other words a movie that may not be Good Enough, or Perfect, but it's not a bad film by a long stretch.
Kaku Epsilon The way CinemaSins does it makes it look more like nitpicking than actual deconstructive analysis.
Yeah, and they have never said that it was the latter. In fact, I'm pretty sure they have admitted that it's mostly nitpicks in a Q and A video.
There is a video in which is pointed out that a lot of the stupid nitpicks are serious since they are made by the author of the videos in his vLogs, and I mean often really stupid ones that betray lack of attention when watching a movie.
Thing is, alot of pepole don't even watch the movies they show
I only watch their videos if ive seen the movie, as it shows how others reacted to the movie, others take their word as law, and don't watch any movies they don't like even if its for nitpicks
Never before have I ever looked forward to a video on TH-cam more than this. Ever since you threw forward the idea of doing a one-time Really That Bad episode on Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, I have been practically drooling in anticipation. Never before has a single movie upset me as much as that one did. I would frequently torture my friends with my often hour long rants about how offensive the very existence of that movie is to me. But my own thoughts are little more than an unsorted mixing bowl of points and counterpoints, and as much as I love watching other TH-camrs comment on the movie, nothing has been able to adequately explain exactly what was so wrong with it. So imagine my excitement when one of my favorite critics happens to share my opinion. This movie single-handedly turned one of my favorite comic book characters into a mindless, murdering psychopath, vandalized an entire ensemble of beloved characters, disgraced an entire genre, abused the talents of several brilliant people in the film industry, tainted thousands of screens across the globe with its presence, and wasted both the time and money of innocent people such as myself. A pervasive violation of both cinema and the character of Batman himself deserves an explanation for why it is really that bad, and you sir are the man for the job. Godspeed to you, Bob.
Bob I know you dont like Cinemasins, but what about Cinemawins? I think you should watch his BVS video just to give an idea of what you thinka bout it. Id be interested to hear.
Forrest Zimmerman I love cinema wins. That guy's adorable
Forrest Zimmerman cinemawins is equally as superficial in its praise of movies as cinemasins is in its condemnation of them. In their BvS video he pulls the classic move of explaining the Martha scene as though everyone in the theater didn't get what the movie was going for and hated it anyways. No one thinks that Batman came short of killing Superman because their mom shares the same name, the stupidity of the scene portraying it that way notwithstanding. Saying that people don't "get it" is probably the worst way to defend that scene, but he makes a point of talking about it for longer than other other scene in the movie. I'm just saying cinemawins is not an antidote to cinemasins, it may as well be an extension of it.
JdotMartin But cinema wins isn't endlessly negative snd pessimistic. The big difference is that CS annoys me and CW brings me joy. Yes, quite often both wins and sins are arbitrarily given, but with CW I at least get the sense that he enjoys movies. Besides, at the end, he always explaines what he did and didn't like about a movie and while it might still sometimes be superficial, that is more than CS ever did.
Cinema Wins is terrible. I'm sure the guy is fine, but the channel survives only by pandering to the snowflakes on the internet that can't stand negativity or negative opinions about a movie they liked. Also, as the BvS video proves, he's way too superficial in his analysis. And I've tries to watch video of his of movies I liked and think they're good. But he's still unbearable, superficial, and offers no worthwile analysis or comment.
There are far superior channel that offers a positive look on movies. Bob is one of them, but also Every Frame a Painting comes to mind.
If someone is truly interested in movies and analysis of such, he has absolutely no reason to follow that channel
De Nitpichers "snowflakes on the internet that can't stand negativity" really? I watch all the channels you mentioned, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy some fairly mindless positivity for a change. Besides, sure he is occasionally pretty superficial, but sometimes he also isn't. Sometimes his commentary is fairly insightful. Yeah, it's not on the level of Bob, or Lindsey Ellis, or Every Frame a painting, or Cinefix, or YMS, but that doesn't make it without value, or stupid. Besides, did you not watch the video? Bob started his RTG series, among other reasons, to discuss things that bring him joy and why they do so. Cinems Wins may not be aby kind of deep analysis, but it is fun and that in itself is worth a lot. If you don't like it, fine, but disparaging everyone who does, as incapable of dealing with negativity is entirely false and uncalled for.
*sigh* so, i'll probably sit this one out. Not because i dissagree, mind, but if this video is anything to go by not only will every instance of levity be humor i don't find funny, a lot of the nitty-gritty content will be trying to form coherent points from what i think is a bad example (even if the points themselves are legit).
FUCK! YES! I've been waiting for this
Any idea when we can expect the whole thing? I'm really looking forward to that
Gangs of New York is a good film.
I'd say Jeremy Irons as Alfred and Gal Gadot as the eye candy were somewhat redeemable qualities in an otherwise horrendous film.
This should be fun
That feeling of "staring at a horrible movie, aghast at what lies before you" is pretty much exactly my experience with AVGN: The Movie.
I get that you didn´t like the movie. But man, what a way to quick the dead horse. By the time you get to the really that bad video of BvS you would have destroyed the movie 3 times¡. I think you made your point very clear in your original review and multiple other videos where the subject has appeared. we get it man, let it rest
Without the sound effects and music, the Batman punching Superman scene comes across as completely silly. It looks like Ben is holding his punches back, rather than his hits not registering on any kind of "not hurting me anymore" scale.
The DCEU fanboys have set up this notion that every movie pre and post release is the best dc movie ever. Hypocrites
You are by far my favorite movie reviewer for all of the reasons you speak about in this video. Thank you for your commitment to analysis, fairness, and positivity, and for your foray into dissecting the atrocious.
technically, aren't you picking the bones dry by choosing BvS?
CamsEyeView I think that's definitely arguable, given how unanimously bad it's reviews were. On the other hand, I think a decent number of issues the film had on a more important, technical level were largely ignored by critics in favor of simply pointing at the dark tone and convoluted story progression without explaining why they are problems, or why having a dark tone doesn't equal a bad film.
So, while I agree with your question, I'm still curious about what he'll cover and how he will.
Bob, I was worried when I saw "really that bad" pop up on my feed. I think the positive ethos of really that good is necessary and laudible in the ever cynical pop media landscape, especially on TH-cam. But I think you've sold me on this. I'm excited about the project. I can't wait to see your take on the movie.
CinemaSins is an abridged version of Riff Tracks. Plain and simple. You love MST3K, but i really don't feel like sitting through a 2 hour movie that i would otherwise never watch. To each their own.
dogishappy0 The difference is that RiffTrax is actually fun and enjoyable to watch; it tries to capture that moment when a bunch of friends get together and make fun of a bad movie together; it's relatable.
CinemaSins captures the typical ramblings of a snarky online dipshit talking with a shitty sense of humor and an annoying voice.
Sounds like you are a fan. What is a Rifftrax you can recommend then? I watched a few but honestly did not enjoy them.
dogishappy0 They did a few on Game of Thrones. If you're into that, check it out.
CinemaSins was less RiffTracks and more satire of Nostalgia Critic. The problem is they lost the satire angle and played their self-admitted asshole nature straight with nitpicky nature and turning gags ("Liam Neeson isn't killing anyone in this scene") into actual "rules" (complaining in their sins video of Taken that Taken isn't an 80's-style action movie)
Just wanna say thanks for you being you and sticking to your guns.
I personally got bored of 'vitriol' driven reviews, and rather ones that are solid and explained logically.
I also found you through your 'Comics are weird' series some time ago.
Cinema Sins are kind of annoying.
There's something satisfying about going back to Bob's old videos about Man of steel and the early DCEU and seeing him go from "sort of hopeful" to outright despising almost every movie that came out post Man of steel to the point of making a Really that Bad video for BvS.
Sigh, as a fan of bvs I'll just say it's pretty heart breaking that your mission will be put on hold to destroy that movie right before justice league comes out. Trust me I get it, that's when your clicks will be best but as a person who started watching your channel after seeing everyone rip apart bvs last year, it was great to see someone really dig deep into why they loved movies and not focus and nitpick negatives. So the fact you're going to destroy(which you will because you do your research) this movie saddens me.
But hey I'll just ignore that video then. Irony huh lol.
Keep up the good work
Yes, he will destroy the movie, but then there are two options :
1) The flaws he highlights make you realize that the movie was in fact bad and you change your mind about it.
or
2) You think his criticisms don't detract from the qualities you saw in the movie and you still consider it a good movie.
I don't see how any of those is a bad thing, he is not going to your house to brainwash you into hating the movie, he will just explain in detail why he hates it so much, you are free to agree with him or not, but in any case, that doesn't make you wrong for liking the movie. Even if you change your mind about it, it doesn't mean that you should never have liked it, you are allowed to change your opinion. So just sit back and enjoy watching him tear it apart, I sure will.
Frankly, if he’s doing this like he does Really That Good (and there’s no reason to think he’s not) then it may, in some parts, be more forgiving then some of the other reviews this movie got. In this sense, he’s not gonna tear it apart like gift wrap on Christmas, but instead it will be a thoughtful dissection of the elements that he thinks doesn’t make it work.
Like Bob said, only truly great talents can fail so totally and spectacularly. I think one of the reasons BvS received such vitriol was because there really are glimpses of greatness in that movie, there IS something unique there telling the story of most well-known superheroes, but they ultimately end up just fueling the disappointment at the end product. If the movie was just bad and bland then there'd be some spoofs, some fan rage about wasting the BvS storyline, and that'd be that.
SimplyMincy Am totally with you on that dude.
The internet would be a better place if more people had your attitude.
I actually truly loved B v S. It was flawed, but still a terrific film.
No, it wasn't. Objectively, it was terrible, not terrific.
Can't wait till you review it. I'll post my rebuttal after. I don't think BvS is perfect, but I think it has a lot of great arcs and character beats that people are overlooking! I think the film has amazing shot composition and unparalleled cinematography for a superhero feature. As well as immaculate sound design. Excited to see what you say.
Its not that people over look it , its just that it only helps accentuate how bad it is . Like he said , Houston just not reviewing any bad movie that is just bad but a bad movie they had way too much wasted potential.
The bigger they are , the harder they fall . And this one fell on Earth straight from the Sun.
Given that I have never seen the movie, and have successfully argued against it to a friend who enjoyed it, I will be looking forward to your comment on moviebob's video. My view of the movie is from basic storytelling and how that movie fails at it.
People like you are exactly what kill film discussion and film criticism. You lack the art to actually deliberate and rationally discuss or hear another point of view and instead desperately feel the need to interject with a preconceived notion while projecting your own flawed hypothesis on why a piece of art is liked by another individual with a different taste. Then again, it's hardly surprising given you think cameras have color filters on them. Look up color timing/grading. That should be enough film education for you today.
I actually have a few storytelling issues with it myself! But I think going by the surrealistic - almost 1920's German impressionistic filmmaking it uses, a lot of the story is structured visually rather than through a script structure. I hope to elaborate more when Bob releases his video!
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I absolutely hate BvS, but I'd love to read your rebuttal to Bob in the final video. You can't know anything unless you question it, after all.
And you seem to be respectful, serious, and honest, which are the most important conditions for the existence of any discussion, so, it should be interesting and fun. Don't let the internet trolls get you down :)
Anyone know when it will be released? I'm checkin 10 times a day...