45 is a challenging hollow point for manufacturers. Low speed and big holes make it hard. Best bet is to go with something that expands big and sacrifice some penetration like the HST. In most test it usually gets 12/14 inches. Great for people who live in apartments and such who must really worry about over penetration.
Yeah it would have went to 12 to 14 if it was fbi standard 10% gel but he was using 20% synthetic gel 10% sythetic the bullet will penatrate more than 10%organic fbi gel so same with 20% whatever the bullet goes to add 2 to 4 inches if it was in 10% fbi organic gel😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
lemonslicewithice 101 not likely. ClearBallistics gel 10% typically allows 2-4 inches more penetration than real gel. Hence none of the industry experts use it. If something goes 12 inches in 10% ClearBallistics gel it’s guaranteed to be less than that in actual calibrated gel.
My go to Hollowpoints for my 1991A1 that us use for home defense is either the Remington HTP or Federal HSP +P. I've only patterned my pistol with the latter so see where shots tend to land because +P isn't great for the pistols durability. Still, I'm satisfied with its accuracy at 25 yards which is the longest distance with a clear view in my house. The Remington I tend to use quite a bit more though since it is standard velocity, costs a little less, and is more commonly found in our local gun shop. Since I like to replace the ammo in my pistol mags every year for reliability's sake, its key that I'm able to rely on my local shop to have ammo when I need it
I carry Remington HTP 125 grain SJHP in my .357 magnum & Federal HST +P 230 grain JHP in both of my 1911 pistols. Two of the best devastating rounds ever made!!!!
I think the problem you are having with expansion is, you may need a hard surface behind the denim that mimics bone. Maybe a piece of plywood or something similar. That should force jumpstart expansion to give better results. In real life situations, be they hunting or self defense, there is high probability these bullets will have bone interaction. Once they pass through ribs or other bones all of them should expand pretty much the way they are designed too. Maybe in a future video put a stack of pork ribs behind the denim. That should yield better results.
Despite the lack of expansion on the critical defense, that seems to me like a good hunting round. It gives penetration, so might be a good hog defense round.
Great stuff. Keep it coming. Real useful. I actually stock the HST and the SIG in 45. I like them both, I prefer the HST. I also use the Remington Golden Saber 185 g + P which I prefer over most of the 45 acp ammo.
At an average of 800 fts, most .45 jhp won't expand well, and it's even trial and error to find one that will feed consistently. Truly, the most reliable ammo to use is good ol' 230 grain hardball. I can carry anything in my HK USP, but when it comes to my Kimber Rapide, I'm most confident in 230 grain hardball.
Hey I have A1 45acp 1911 and I jams a lot but I do have a unoriginal kimber magazine and so far I’ve had 2 different type of company ammo jam on me I’m not sure if it’s the gun itself the magazine or the ammo
I have a Government Model 1911 that hates almost all hollow points. It will shoot Hornady Critical Defense rounds pretty reliably. I've tried a bunch of different types of ammo and mags. I have no intent to modify it to shoot hollow points. I have other .45s that will do that. It will absolutely toss FMJs with zero malfunctions, though......as it was intended to do.
Don't need a fancy hollow-point in .45 acp. Winchester white box 230 grain HP's are extremely effective. Hornady makes their .45 bullets too tough for the velocities they are typically launched - no matter the barrel length. Federal HST's are the typically some of the best. Speer Gold Dots are very good as well.
I think the issue is most of these rounds were probably developed more for the 9mm cartridge which travels much faster. Therefore the 45 acp counterparts dont have enough velocity to get good expansion. Best bet for a 45 might be the HST or some speer GD
Like your videos man, keep them coming! The HST (my carry ammo in 9mm) did flawlessly. Both of the Hornady rounds did terrible; with the first showing barely any signs of expansion and the latter two no expansion. The relatively slow speed of the 45 often times does not give the bullets enough energy to properly expand, although Federal seems to have solved that problem with their HST. All that said, the 45 was designed to be the "man stopper" based on the ball (FMJ) round. It would have been good to add that to your test and it may have resulted in perfect FBI depth; albeit with no expansion. Given yours and many others testing with the 45, I'm not convinced it's worth the extra money to purchase hollow points versus ball NATO ammo. Over expansion with 45 ball is both relatively nonexistent and more likely collateral damage due to shot misses per the literature.
I just bought my first 1911, a Colt gov't model competition series (love the novak rear and bright red front sight ) so far have had mixed results in chambering the first round. Sig seems to REALLY have issues to the point where some have been rendered unusable. HST has proven well as well as the Gold Dot
Hey, I carry a gov 1911, i have thought of switching but it's just a great gun to me! Maybe I am to old school, but as an all around firearm, I haven't found anything as comfortable and reliable.
I saw that flash again with the HST. I have a hypothesis on the cause. As the bullet enters the gel block, it has some unburnt powder trailing in behind it. When the temporary cavity slams shut, the powder is ignited by compression ignition like how a diesel engine works. Sounds good in principle, but I'm not sure how to test that is the cause. Good video as always!
@@tonyhadley6965 Since air is dragged in to provide oxygen, that is also a good conjecture. I wonder if the NSF will accept a grant request application to explore this phenomenon further. We need one of those 1,000,000 frame per second cameras for a start.
I've seen a number of videos of 9mm Underwood Xtreme Defender do more damage. I have also seen many .380 hollow points not expand, and they were traveling at similar velocities (in the 880's).
Great video. Yeah, 20% clear gel is a little tricky. Shooting a living mammal with blood creates hydraulic force in the hollow point. 45 acp is so big already, and it seems most fully expanded bullets would under penetrate because of the drag. I'm really impressed with the 120gr xtreme defender. 😲
This is a wonderful video. I have an WW2 Ithaca 1911, so I was pleased to see you shooting your RR 1911. Two questions, if you have time: Do you carry your RR? (There seems to be a huge school of thought that these old 1911s aren't trustworthy for that, but my Ithaca is very reliable.) And what ammo do you carry in yours? Thank you! I'm going back to binge watching your videos now....
And with the ammo question, I sort of meant specifically in an older gun like this, if you think it needs a different sort of ammo for personal protection than a newer 1911.
You could moved the cloth to the other less damaged gel block, and tested the Critical Defense again. Along your gel seems to "allow" excessive tumbling????
thank you so much for doing this in a full size! concealed carry is totally illegal in this jurisdiction which limits the reasons anyone would choose a compact.
You sure did your part. I too am surprised at the results. Both Hornady bullets failed in most folks book, as well as the V-Crown. In fact, many will argue that even the HSY failed in the penetration category. I wonder if the already lower velocity of the 45 is impeaded by lower temps? Our 45 choices in 45 Shields is the HST+P & the Critical Duty. Our tests have all been in 50 degree or more. Never seen these or the Crit. Defense fail to perform well. Thanks.
Guardian Minifarm Thanks! I kept the gel block in my heated truck until right before the test because that was a concern I had too so it didnt have too much time to get cold. I ran through them quickly for that reason. Definitely possible though.
When I carried a Colt 1911 5", I loaded it with CCI Speer 200gr JHP The Flying "ASHTRAY!" HST didn't disappoint. Thanks. FYI: Series 70 Colt 1911's in the 70's were notorious about not feeding JHP reliably. Rem 185/Fed 185 JHP's fed mostly. After throating and polishing the feed ramp and barrel, mine would feed empty unresized cases from the mag. What state are you located in? NANOOK of the NORTH!
"After throating and polishing the feed ramp and barrel, mine would feed empty unresized cases from the mag." My Series 80 Government Model that I bought new in 1991 (manufactured in 1990) can do that, and it's still box-stock except for the grips, so Colt must have improved reliability with hollowpoints during the '80s. Mine has never jammed or otherwise malfunctioned in any way, and I've fed it all kinds of bullet types, including the CCI/Speer 200-grain "Flying Ashtray" JHPs that you mentioned.
M Blake Jr Ill definitely retest it. Maybe in part 2 ill throw the critical defense in at the end to see if it was a fluke. Gotta do short barrel as well.
I have an original stainless steel Springfield Armory TRP-1911 45 and it has never jammed in 6 or 7 years since i bought it new, its the most reliable and accurate handgun I've ever shot/carried. My tritium sights are starting to dim but other than that 7 years and probably 1000 or so rounds of all brands and types and my only complaint is the factory Trijicon night sights barely lasting half as long as what they are advertised as they've already lost probably 75% of their glow on top of that they're wanting me to pay to replace them even though they have a warranty I understand you have to go through Trijicon and not Springfield Armory to get the new sites which is what I want I don't want the money back I just want you sites that glow bright like they did in the beginning when I first bought it brand-new and they're trying to make me pay alright 60 or $70 for them to replace them and my experience I've tried Xs, Trijicon, and TruGlo and the true glows outshine everything else that I've tried by far their definitely the brightest tritium sights I've ever used and the most durable so far and long-lasting
This isn't the 1st time I've seen those critical defense rounds fail to expand. I dont conceal carry but I do like to hunt from time to time and now that I live in sc I'm always wary of nasty little things called wild piggies, I'll stick to ball rounds or test different HPs to see what works best out of my RIA 1911
I can’t help but wonder if the cold temps affected the polymer tips in the Hornady loads. The HST loads are an easy out in most calibers ( I mean that in a good way). They always seem to perform well
The Richie yeah. The critical duty actually performed the same way it always has for me. Less expansion more penetration. It never expands much more than that so i think it did well. But i kept the gel block in my heated truck until i started so it was only outside for about 10 minutes. So the gel was actually pretty warm.
I don’t think it was the gel itself brother. I wonder if the little polymer tips themselves were hardened by the cold. I get what your saying about the minimal expansion and deep penetration of the Critical Duty loads. I’ve tested them several times myself over the last few years. They usually expand better than they did in this vid though. The 185 gr Critical Defense didn’t expand at all and that’s not normal behavior for that load even from a 3.5” barrel in my experience. It’s no fault of yours if the cold did harden the polymer tips...Mother Nature is a harsh unforgiving B***h. 😉
The Richie ahh gotcha. Yeah they could’ve hardened in there. I want to retest the critical defense in similar conditions and see if it does that again because ive done the 9mm in cold and warm weather and it never completely fails like that. Ill probably throw it in at the end of the next 45 gel test vid just to see if it was a fluke or something else going on.
@@1ShotTV Just going to reiterate The Richie's point. Those are supposed to be fxt (flexible) and cold makes plastics brittle. Going to search your videos for a warmer weather test of critical defense. Great video!
I'm surprised. The folks at Hornady and Sig should be aghast at their very expensive bullets that do little more than fmj. But as you point out, to be fair, I suspect they would normally perform better. But to have three in a row like that is pretty disconcerting. I don't often carry a .45, but when I do, it's with HST. :)
JHP ammo don't feed well in my Sig1911, very picky and would jam. My G21SF and Sig220 carry do run more reliably...pretty much with all ammo especially the G21SF. The G21SF never really needs to be cleaned even after hundreds of rounds. and I've shot thousands of rnds and it's been more accurate than my 1911 for me.
Even though this video is 2.5 years old, for what it's worth, I'll leave this comment: Given generally how poorly .45 ACP JHP's perform (HST being an exception here), a companion test of the non-expanding .45 ACP Underwood Xtreme Penetrator and Xtreme Defense would have been enlightening. The 9mm XD's generally outshine even the best JHP's in terms of deep penetration but not over-penetration, with amazingly large wound channels--so I'd love to see what the .45 ACPs do. Perhaps next time.
The first 1911 I ever shot was a Remington Rand from WW II. Darn thing was as accurate and reliable as my Smith 659... And more comfortable to shoot, despite being a .45 instead of a 9mm.
I keep my glock 41 stoked with 230 gr. Gold Dots they seem to strike a good balance of penetration and expansion. I do like the hst round also. After watching your tests I wont be going hornady in my .45s. Good work
I just spent thirty bucks for twenty rounds, and I bought them like you used to buy weed. Either your guy had weed, or he did not have weed. There were no choices. She had 185gr. JHP in .45 ACP, or she had her best wishes for you to have a nice day. I guess the best .45 ammo is the ammo you can get your hands on, at least for now.
Hey brother I have a request. Just picked myself up a Ruger gp101 .357 with a 2.25 inch barrel. Shoot I go lighter and faster (125gr) or slower and heavier 180 grain. Thanks in advance.
Joey Martarella I want to do some .357 tests. Typically people prefer the heavier bullets out of short barrels because they penetrate more but its all personal preference. With .357 you really cant go wrong. Such a good cartridge.
Your results are so consistently atypical that I've gotta think something in your testing protocol must have been off. The HST only penetrated 10", and the other 3 did not expand.
windvale its 20% ballistics gel. I said that when i started but sometimes people miss it. Which would explain the HST getting 10”. In 10% gel it would have gotten 12-14. The critical duty expanded like its supposed to. It never expands much more than that as it is designed to penetrate more and expand less. Ive done a few vids on different critical duty loads and they all perform that way. The sig has not expanded through heavy clothing in any of the calibers ive tested it in and that seems to be the same results many others are getting with those bullets. The only one that was odd to me was the critical defense. It usually performs perfectly but ive never tested in.45 until now & ive heard from a few people telling me .45acp hollow points are not as consistent as something like a 9mm because of the lower velocity.
@@1ShotTV Both 10 and 20% have there place. I'm wondering if the gel being firmer played a role in the other ammunition not expanding. Manufacturers designed their ammunition around 10% gelitan. Obviously ammunition that performs under the greatest range of conditions is preferable. You just need to know which one your looking at, and I didn't catch that it was 20% right away.
We sure are happy with our Shields. 4 Shields as ccw in my household....3 are 45s. Very good choice for ccw. FYI...my older daughters carry 2 of them. They handle the recoil extremely well. They opted to go 45 for 4 legged critters as much as 2. We have bear, wolf, badger & the occasional cougar....not to mention stray dogs. 45 gives them confidence if they have to use it.
I too was disappointed and confused about Critical Defense's lack of performance. It might not have the greatest expansion compared to other bullets and it might not have the most penetration as other rounds as well, but I always liked its balance or not too much penetration and being able to penetrate heavy clothing and not losing all of its energy too soon. But that crap was surprising. No expansion at all. You could have reloaded that and used it again! All of my .380s, 9mms and .357s are loaded with Critical Defense. My Shield 45 WAS too, but not any more. If your 5 inch 1911 couldn't get any expansion out of that bullet, my 3.3" Shield certainly isn't going to do any better.
Everybody is a FBI ballistics pro on youtube testing ammo on gel blocks. These specialty ammo videos are a racket to get you to spend more money on their product when regular ammo always did the job just fine. What's more important than all this BS ammo is where you place the lead. If you can't place lead where you want on a target then all the specialty ammo in 20-round magazines ain't going to make you a better shooter.
45 is a challenging hollow point for manufacturers. Low speed and big holes make it hard. Best bet is to go with something that expands big and sacrifice some penetration like the HST. In most test it usually gets 12/14 inches. Great for people who live in apartments and such who must really worry about over penetration.
Fee_Lo That makes sense. I agree.
Yeah it would have went to 12 to 14 if it was fbi standard 10% gel but he was using 20% synthetic gel 10% sythetic the bullet will penatrate more than 10%organic fbi gel so same with 20% whatever the bullet goes to add 2 to 4 inches if it was in 10% fbi organic gel😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hst would be my choice as well hugh expansion great penetration
lemonslicewithice 101 not likely. ClearBallistics gel 10% typically allows 2-4 inches more penetration than real gel. Hence none of the industry experts use it. If something goes 12 inches in 10% ClearBallistics gel it’s guaranteed to be less than that in actual calibrated gel.
@@Mrandher83 yep thats true but 1 shot is using 20% ballistic gel which will have 30%less penatration then the 10% clear ballistic gel
I still carry a 1911 for over 30 years now. Love the weight. Retired my 1911 from 1913, bought a new 1911. Carry both open and concealed.
Sad modern 1911’s are MIM, end of a craftman’s era and into technocracy
Wow, poor showing for both of the Hornady bullets. Can't say I saw that coming. Looks like HST gets the W once again. Good video as usual Jesse
chipotlelover82 Thanks brother
I am always amazed how much fun it is watching you test ammo. I enjoyed watching the 1911 test.
Mike Morgan Thank you I appreciate that! Glad you enjoyed it
By the way...you are doing a really great job with your channel.
The Richie Thank you thats nice to hear.
I'm a little guy yet 8 carry my full sized 1911 every day. Great video.
My go to Hollowpoints for my 1991A1 that us use for home defense is either the Remington HTP or Federal HSP +P. I've only patterned my pistol with the latter so see where shots tend to land because +P isn't great for the pistols durability. Still, I'm satisfied with its accuracy at 25 yards which is the longest distance with a clear view in my house. The Remington I tend to use quite a bit more though since it is standard velocity, costs a little less, and is more commonly found in our local gun shop. Since I like to replace the ammo in my pistol mags every year for reliability's sake, its key that I'm able to rely on my local shop to have ammo when I need it
I carry Remington HTP 125 grain SJHP in my .357 magnum & Federal HST +P 230 grain JHP in both of my 1911 pistols. Two of the best devastating rounds ever made!!!!
If I carried a 45 1911 it would be the 5inch or longer..........nice grips
Rev. Gunn Thanks
I got a stainless polished gold cup trophy with dark green g10 grips with a triple k 15 round mag
I think the problem you are having with expansion is, you may need a hard surface behind the denim that mimics bone. Maybe a piece of plywood or something similar. That should force jumpstart expansion to give better results. In real life situations, be they hunting or self defense, there is high probability these bullets will have bone interaction. Once they pass through ribs or other bones all of them should expand pretty much the way they are designed too. Maybe in a future video put a stack of pork ribs behind the denim. That should yield better results.
Hst is always doing a great job on just about every video i watch. Hst for me from now on.
Despite the lack of expansion on the critical defense, that seems to me like a good hunting round. It gives penetration, so might be a good hog defense round.
To the point , stayed on point always q good day when what I search ends up being on your channel
Great stuff. Keep it coming. Real useful. I actually stock the HST and the SIG in 45. I like them both, I prefer the HST. I also use the Remington Golden Saber 185 g + P which I prefer over most of the 45 acp ammo.
mikedifeo Thanks!
My 1911 will not chamber the Remington Golden Saber rounds. Its a brand new gun only had 5 rounds of FMJ shot through it.
@@dustingrisham7206 oil up the 'feed ramp' or the spot where a feed ramp would be. It's cause it's basically shaped like a flat nose
At an average of 800 fts, most .45 jhp won't expand well, and it's even trial and error to find one that will feed consistently. Truly, the most reliable ammo to use is good ol' 230 grain hardball. I can carry anything in my HK USP, but when it comes to my Kimber Rapide, I'm most confident in 230 grain hardball.
I got a Taurus 1911 officer the other day and looking for good ammo to go with thank you for video give a better idea
HST ALL THE WAY!! Always expands and is made for self defense and not hunting!!!
My 1911s have been my most reliable pistols and why I sold all my glocks
Hey I have A1 45acp 1911 and I jams a lot but I do have a unoriginal kimber magazine and so far I’ve had 2 different type of company ammo jam on me I’m not sure if it’s the gun itself the magazine or the ammo
@@Chiquilin-uj7ou most likely magazine
Only load 7 ever
@@michaelsubi yeah I was taught that too
Love the hat brother and that 1911 was sweet too. Keep up the good work.
Lyle Caudill Thank you! Fort Scott Brush Hog video coming next week. Just filmed it. Im sold.
@@1ShotTV Awesome! I wish I had some 45 left but I gave it all to my Uncle. Lol
I have a Government Model 1911 that hates almost all hollow points. It will shoot Hornady Critical Defense rounds pretty reliably. I've tried a bunch of different types of ammo and mags. I have no intent to modify it to shoot hollow points. I have other .45s that will do that. It will absolutely toss FMJs with zero malfunctions, though......as it was intended to do.
Well I was shocked with the performance glad I have HST 😉 . Informative video thanks for sharing 👍🏿
Don't need a fancy hollow-point in .45 acp. Winchester white box 230 grain HP's are extremely effective. Hornady makes their .45 bullets too tough for the velocities they are typically launched - no matter the barrel length. Federal HST's are the typically some of the best. Speer Gold Dots are very good as well.
Very true the xtp bullet design is tough works well in faster rounds
Shit I do I have a Nine 1911 Rock Island government model🦾🦾👍🏾 love it Bought it brand new barely 50 rounds in it😂
I think the issue is most of these rounds were probably developed more for the 9mm cartridge which travels much faster. Therefore the 45 acp counterparts dont have enough velocity to get good expansion. Best bet for a 45 might be the HST or some speer GD
Like your videos man, keep them coming!
The HST (my carry ammo in 9mm) did flawlessly. Both of the Hornady rounds did terrible; with the first showing barely any signs of expansion and the latter two no expansion. The relatively slow speed of the 45 often times does not give the bullets enough energy to properly expand, although Federal seems to have solved that problem with their HST.
All that said, the 45 was designed to be the "man stopper" based on the ball (FMJ) round. It would have been good to add that to your test and it may have resulted in perfect FBI depth; albeit with no expansion.
Given yours and many others testing with the 45, I'm not convinced it's worth the extra money to purchase hollow points versus ball NATO ammo. Over expansion with 45 ball is both relatively nonexistent and more likely collateral damage due to shot misses per the literature.
tj k Thank you! Yeah I will definitely add the ball round in part 2. Good idea. Thanks man
Ball ammo is a horrible choice for carry.
I just bought my first 1911, a Colt gov't model competition series (love the novak rear and bright red front sight ) so far have had mixed results in chambering the first round. Sig seems to REALLY have issues to the point where some have been rendered unusable. HST has proven well as well as the Gold Dot
Hey, I carry a gov 1911, i have thought of switching but it's just a great gun to me! Maybe I am to old school, but as an all around firearm, I haven't found anything as comfortable and reliable.
Same.
HST for the win. No surprise there. It's all I carry in my EDC 1911.
I saw that flash again with the HST. I have a hypothesis on the cause. As the bullet enters the gel block, it has some unburnt powder trailing in behind it. When the temporary cavity slams shut, the powder is ignited by compression ignition like how a diesel engine works. Sounds good in principle, but I'm not sure how to test that is the cause. Good video as always!
Fudmottin Sounds good to me. Thanks I’m glad you liked it!
It is the compression of the simulated clothing fibers that diesels and explode causing the flash.
@@tonyhadley6965 Since air is dragged in to provide oxygen, that is also a good conjecture. I wonder if the NSF will accept a grant request application to explore this phenomenon further. We need one of those 1,000,000 frame per second cameras for a start.
Have to say I’m very surprised especially through a 5 in barrel ....but great video as always 👌
Murf Dawg79 Thanks!
I been waitn so long thank you🙏
lemonslicewithice 101 Thank you for watching!
I've seen a number of videos of 9mm Underwood Xtreme Defender do more damage. I have also seen many .380 hollow points not expand, and they were traveling at similar velocities (in the 880's).
Great video. Yeah, 20% clear gel is a little tricky. Shooting a living mammal with blood creates hydraulic force in the hollow point. 45 acp is so big already, and it seems most fully expanded bullets would under penetrate because of the drag. I'm really impressed with the 120gr xtreme defender. 😲
Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot, Remington bonded golden saber for me in 45 👍🏼🇺🇸
Nice video man thank you.
Good test. And really cool grips on the gun!
Liked and subbed!👍🏻😀
ebsaint Thank you!
FBI gel block temperature specs are 45 degrees, to cold, to hot, messed it up, your suppose to calibrate the gel block to 45 degrees before testing.
Good point on gel temp reccomendations.
You don’t laser me like that bro 😳😂😂 awesome vid brotha 🙌🏻
This is a wonderful video. I have an WW2 Ithaca 1911, so I was pleased to see you shooting your RR 1911. Two questions, if you have time: Do you carry your RR? (There seems to be a huge school of thought that these old 1911s aren't trustworthy for that, but my Ithaca is very reliable.) And what ammo do you carry in yours? Thank you! I'm going back to binge watching your videos now....
And with the ammo question, I sort of meant specifically in an older gun like this, if you think it needs a different sort of ammo for personal protection than a newer 1911.
You could moved the cloth to the other less damaged gel block, and tested the Critical Defense again. Along your gel seems to "allow" excessive tumbling????
Also, not along.
I have a Springfield XDS 45 with a 4 inch barrel that I love.
Hst were impressive critical defense was disappointing but could of been a fluke, but a great video
Doug Thanks. I agree it was probably a fluke
1Shot critical defense performs poorly across the board.
thank you so much for doing this in a full size! concealed carry is totally illegal in this jurisdiction which limits the reasons anyone would choose a compact.
Wow.
You sure did your part. I too am surprised at the results. Both Hornady bullets failed in most folks book, as well as the V-Crown. In fact, many will argue that even the HSY failed in the penetration category. I wonder if the already lower velocity of the 45 is impeaded by lower temps? Our 45 choices in 45 Shields is the HST+P & the Critical Duty. Our tests have all been in 50 degree or more. Never seen these or the Crit. Defense fail to perform well. Thanks.
Guardian Minifarm Thanks! I kept the gel block in my heated truck until right before the test because that was a concern I had too so it didnt have too much time to get cold. I ran through them quickly for that reason. Definitely possible though.
Nice video thank you.
Good info 👍
When I carried a Colt 1911 5", I loaded it with CCI Speer 200gr JHP The Flying "ASHTRAY!" HST didn't disappoint. Thanks. FYI: Series 70 Colt 1911's in the 70's were notorious about not feeding JHP reliably. Rem 185/Fed 185 JHP's fed mostly. After throating and polishing the feed ramp and barrel, mine would feed empty unresized cases from the mag. What state are you located in? NANOOK of the NORTH!
RK Harm24 Cool thanks for the info! Im on the illinois, Indiana border. On the illinois side, unfortunately. Not for long though ill be moving soon.
"After throating and polishing the feed ramp and barrel, mine would feed empty unresized cases from the mag."
My Series 80 Government Model that I bought new in 1991 (manufactured in 1990) can do that, and it's still box-stock except for the grips, so Colt must have improved reliability with hollowpoints during the '80s. Mine has never jammed or otherwise malfunctioned in any way, and I've fed it all kinds of bullet types, including the CCI/Speer 200-grain "Flying Ashtray" JHPs that you mentioned.
Id opt for the hst i live in the city ab dont want over penetration
What make is your 1911? Can you talk about the Magazines you used in this video?
Don Blake
Man I don't know what happened. Three of the four rounds tested failed to expand. Both the Hornady rounds seem to always expand.
Best 45 3inch short barrel ammo? The critical defense 45acp usually expands out of my 3.3 inch...not sure what happened there besides cold maybe.
M Blake Jr Ill definitely retest it. Maybe in part 2 ill throw the critical defense in at the end to see if it was a fluke. Gotta do short barrel as well.
I have an original stainless steel Springfield Armory TRP-1911 45 and it has never jammed in 6 or 7 years since i bought it new, its the most reliable and accurate handgun I've ever shot/carried. My tritium sights are starting to dim but other than that 7 years and probably 1000 or so rounds of all brands and types and my only complaint is the factory Trijicon night sights barely lasting half as long as what they are advertised as they've already lost probably 75% of their glow on top of that they're wanting me to pay to replace them even though they have a warranty I understand you have to go through Trijicon and not Springfield Armory to get the new sites which is what I want I don't want the money back I just want you sites that glow bright like they did in the beginning when I first bought it brand-new and they're trying to make me pay alright 60 or $70 for them to replace them and my experience I've tried Xs, Trijicon, and TruGlo and the true glows outshine everything else that I've tried by far their definitely the brightest tritium sights I've ever used and the most durable so far and long-lasting
I had some problems with a brand new 1911, steel.hollow point 45. They won't chamber correctly even on the first round
It's just not easy to get .45 to the threshold of expansion. Just not fast enough, however looks like the HST did just fine!
This isn't the 1st time I've seen those critical defense rounds fail to expand. I dont conceal carry but I do like to hunt from time to time and now that I live in sc I'm always wary of nasty little things called wild piggies, I'll stick to ball rounds or test different HPs to see what works best out of my RIA 1911
I can’t help but wonder if the cold temps affected the polymer tips in the Hornady loads. The HST loads are an easy out in most calibers ( I mean that in a good way). They always seem to perform well
The Richie yeah. The critical duty actually performed the same way it always has for me. Less expansion more penetration. It never expands much more than that so i think it did well. But i kept the gel block in my heated truck until i started so it was only outside for about 10 minutes. So the gel was actually pretty warm.
I don’t think it was the gel itself brother. I wonder if the little polymer tips themselves were hardened by the cold. I get what your saying about the minimal expansion and deep penetration of the Critical Duty loads. I’ve tested them several times myself over the last few years. They usually expand better than they did in this vid though. The 185 gr Critical Defense didn’t expand at all and that’s not normal behavior for that load even from a 3.5” barrel in my experience.
It’s no fault of yours if the cold did harden the polymer tips...Mother Nature is a harsh unforgiving B***h. 😉
The Richie ahh gotcha. Yeah they could’ve hardened in there. I want to retest the critical defense in similar conditions and see if it does that again because ive done the 9mm in cold and warm weather and it never completely fails like that. Ill probably throw it in at the end of the next 45 gel test vid just to see if it was a fluke or something else going on.
1Shot
I hear you brother. Good idea. I’ve never had them act that way either.
@@1ShotTV Just going to reiterate The Richie's point. Those are supposed to be fxt (flexible) and cold makes plastics brittle. Going to search your videos for a warmer weather test of critical defense. Great video!
I'm surprised. The folks at Hornady and Sig should be aghast at their very expensive bullets that do little more than fmj. But as you point out, to be fair, I suspect they would normally perform better. But to have three in a row like that is pretty disconcerting. I don't often carry a .45, but when I do, it's with HST. :)
LEAD SUCKS.....Try Spun Copper....Underwood Xtreme Defender and Penetrator and Fort Scott Munitions please.
My buddy has one and it doesn't seem to like hollow points.
JHP ammo don't feed well in my Sig1911, very picky and would jam. My G21SF and Sig220 carry do run more reliably...pretty much with all ammo especially the G21SF.
The G21SF never really needs to be cleaned even after hundreds of rounds. and I've shot thousands of rnds and it's been more accurate than my 1911 for me.
The M1911 is a nice pistol for as old as it is.
DieSeltsam 369 I love it
Critical duty is my favorite of the jhp, that or sig 200gr jhp for town carry in 45
Even though this video is 2.5 years old, for what it's worth, I'll leave this comment: Given generally how poorly .45 ACP JHP's perform (HST being an exception here), a companion test of the non-expanding .45 ACP Underwood Xtreme Penetrator and Xtreme Defense would have been enlightening. The 9mm XD's generally outshine even the best JHP's in terms of deep penetration but not over-penetration, with amazingly large wound channels--so I'd love to see what the .45 ACPs do. Perhaps next time.
Please try the Liberty Civil Defense .45 ACP and the Federal Guard Dog .45 ACP.
Fmj fp work best
I haven't seen the video yet and already know the critical duty won't work because I couldn't even chamber a round of it in my 1911 because of the tip
The first 1911 I ever shot was a Remington Rand from WW II. Darn thing was as accurate and reliable as my Smith 659...
And more comfortable to shoot, despite being a .45 instead of a 9mm.
i have the same problem with the xtp... no expansion
Use this info in looking for Browning HP35 ammo since their both single action
Sig 200gr jhp won't pass through a deer neck and why I carry in town . This test is why I don't trust any ballistic jelly
I keep my glock 41 stoked with 230 gr. Gold Dots they seem to strike a good balance of penetration and expansion. I do like the hst round also. After watching your tests I wont be going hornady in my .45s. Good work
brian bell Thank you. Gold dots will be in part 2. Gun shop didnt have them in 45 which is unusual.
Gold Dots tend to be a safe choice in all duty calibers.
So in closing Hornady ammo sucks. The Federal HST was flawless
I just spent thirty bucks for twenty rounds, and I bought them like you used to buy weed. Either your guy had weed, or he did not have weed. There were no choices. She had 185gr. JHP in .45 ACP, or she had her best wishes for you to have a nice day.
I guess the best .45 ammo is the ammo you can get your hands on, at least for now.
My colt competition govt in 45 despises the v crown. Nosedives all day
I need to find some HSTs...
Wouldn't mind seeing some cheap ammo like wwb.
test fmj 45 acp 2 gel blocks
What are those grips called?
I carry a Delta Elite daily
I'm one of those that still carrier model 70 old habits die hard
Hey brother I have a request. Just picked myself up a Ruger gp101 .357 with a 2.25 inch barrel. Shoot I go lighter and faster (125gr) or slower and heavier 180 grain. Thanks in advance.
Joey Martarella I want to do some .357 tests. Typically people prefer the heavier bullets out of short barrels because they penetrate more but its all personal preference. With .357 you really cant go wrong. Such a good cartridge.
1Shot okay cool. I picked up some federal power shock 180 grain jhp just now. Thanks again!
1Shot can you test the 180 grain .356 federal power shock from a 2&1/4 inch or as close as possible?
Thanks in advance
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Your results are so consistently atypical that I've gotta think something in your testing protocol must have been off. The HST only penetrated 10", and the other 3 did not expand.
windvale its 20% ballistics gel. I said that when i started but sometimes people miss it. Which would explain the HST getting 10”. In 10% gel it would have gotten 12-14. The critical duty expanded like its supposed to. It never expands much more than that as it is designed to penetrate more and expand less. Ive done a few vids on different critical duty loads and they all perform that way. The sig has not expanded through heavy clothing in any of the calibers ive tested it in and that seems to be the same results many others are getting with those bullets. The only one that was odd to me was the critical defense. It usually performs perfectly but ive never tested in.45 until now & ive heard from a few people telling me .45acp hollow points are not as consistent as something like a 9mm because of the lower velocity.
1Shot ah ! I did miss the 20% gel thing ! Thanx, and keep up the great videos!
windvale Thank you!
Critical defense looked like it exploded inside lol
Full size is always the carry size 🤣
Oh my bad, I just realized it's 20% gel not 10%. Ok I'll be sticking with the HST I'm sure it would have made the 12inch minimum in 10% gelatin.
wastool yep definitely. Ill get 10% gel down the road
@@1ShotTV Both 10 and 20% have there place. I'm wondering if the gel being firmer played a role in the other ammunition not expanding. Manufacturers designed their ammunition around 10% gelitan. Obviously ammunition that performs under the greatest range of conditions is preferable. You just need to know which one your looking at, and I didn't catch that it was 20% right away.
Bump. Good argument for Lehigh Defense?🤷🏻♂️
Do a 4”
Some sad results from expensive ammo, except the HST.
I would love to see a .40 caliber test no one really shows love to .40 lol
Tay Allen yep i agree. I have a .40 ill be testing soon.
1Shot you sir have my subscription 👍🏾 looking forward to it
If you wanted M&p shield 45 I will send you one, I am a licensed FFL.
everett higginbotham dang thats nice of you. Do you have email? You can delete message after you send it
everett higginbotham Got it. Thanks
@@1ShotTV no problem
We sure are happy with our Shields. 4 Shields as ccw in my household....3 are 45s. Very good choice for ccw. FYI...my older daughters carry 2 of them. They handle the recoil extremely well.
They opted to go 45 for 4 legged critters as much as 2. We have bear, wolf, badger & the occasional cougar....not to mention stray dogs. 45 gives them confidence if they have to use it.
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HST only 10 inches? Come on Federal, be better. Didn't you see the gillette commercial.
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I too was disappointed and confused about Critical Defense's lack of performance. It might not have the greatest expansion compared to other bullets and it might not have the most penetration as other rounds as well, but I always liked its balance or not too much penetration and being able to penetrate heavy clothing and not losing all of its energy too soon.
But that crap was surprising. No expansion at all. You could have reloaded that and used it again! All of my .380s, 9mms and .357s are loaded with Critical Defense. My Shield 45 WAS too, but not any more. If your 5 inch 1911 couldn't get any expansion out of that bullet, my 3.3" Shield certainly isn't going to do any better.
I carry a Glock 30S.
Hit some buffalo bore 185grn
When you get chance get a 10mm and test that.
Btw sig vcrown are know for failing to expand in heavy clothing so it dont surprise me.
multi dryder absolutely 10mm is on my list
Everybody is a FBI ballistics pro on youtube testing ammo on gel blocks. These specialty ammo videos are a racket to get you to spend more money on their product when regular ammo always did the job just fine. What's more important than all this BS ammo is where you place the lead. If you can't place lead where you want on a target then all the specialty ammo in 20-round magazines ain't going to make you a better shooter.
All your rounds failed except the HST.
Hi, i just got my first 1911 and i wanted know what everyone thinks of the Kimber custom TLE 2? thanks
critical duty did NOT perform well.