The Office: The Decline of Kevin Malone

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  • The first 500 people to use this link will get a 2 month free trial of Skillshare Premium Membership: skl.sh/thetake74 | The Office's Kevin Malone started out as reserved, if not a little slow -- but then he turned into one of the most cartoonish characters of the show. Why did the writers choose to do this? Is Kevin a victim of Flanderization; i.e. reverse character development? In this video we dive into the story of Kevin's mental decline. If you like this video, subscribe to our channel or support us on Patreon: / thetake
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  • @thetake
    @thetake  4 ปีที่แล้ว +173

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    • @trinaq
      @trinaq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Please do a video on "The Sassy Black Girl" or "The Gay Sidekick"! 📹🖤

    • @natalieshannon7659
      @natalieshannon7659 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could you do a video on characters from TH-cams "Cobra Kai" Especially do one on Sensei John Kreese. Is he purely evil? Or does he truly care about Johnny and his Cobra Kai students? Is he insane or just a sad broken man who got messed up during the Vietnam war? I think John Kreese is one of the most fascinating characters in Cobra Kai and even in all of TV/Movie.

    • @ginam.6787
      @ginam.6787 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jerry
      Larry
      Lenny
      Terry
      Barry
      Larry Gergich

    • @razkable
      @razkable 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      kevin got some jokes in on angela and a few others sometimes...he was a sexist glutton idiot so...i never cared about him..i kinda wish he just got fired and that was it..did not need him with the bar or him being with the others in the office at the end

    • @jeremiasmiguel8143
      @jeremiasmiguel8143 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      instablaster...

  • @zombiecarnivore
    @zombiecarnivore 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3860

    Ever sense that man lost his chili, he was on a declining path. He lost a part of himself with that chili.

    • @Zoggyblog
      @Zoggyblog 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      *since

    • @giannawild9904
      @giannawild9904 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@Zoggyblog stole my thunder

    • @SeymourDisapproves
      @SeymourDisapproves 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Chris, I get you. You two, though, you're just obnoxious.

    • @giannawild9904
      @giannawild9904 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@SeymourDisapproves o aight simp

    • @Zoggyblog
      @Zoggyblog 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Small detail differentiate meaning. Also sorry if it offended you.

  • @thedrunkenelf
    @thedrunkenelf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7393

    There’s the theory that he pretended to be dumb while he was actually embezzling money which is how he bought the bar at the end of the show.

    • @Momo-po5tn
      @Momo-po5tn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +156

      Its in the video

    • @jamesocampo6815
      @jamesocampo6815 4 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      ULGROTHA L

    • @m_winewood
      @m_winewood 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      @ULGROTHA you've crossed the line bro lets stick to there, they're, their/ you're, your.

    • @briguy677
      @briguy677 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@m_winewood "Yore"

    • @b.t.266
      @b.t.266 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @ULGROTHA "wh'a't'"

  • @annegil3499
    @annegil3499 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3985

    Kevin good character, me laugh lot when me sees him

    • @fam6883
      @fam6883 4 ปีที่แล้ว +223

      Why waste say lot word when a few do trick

    • @thecoffeeshopat2am173
      @thecoffeeshopat2am173 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      The grammar police are gonna have a field run with this one.

    • @SARYM911
      @SARYM911 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      @@thecoffeeshopat2am173 No her fault when she save time

    • @thecoffeeshopat2am173
      @thecoffeeshopat2am173 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@SARYM911 Good point you make.

    • @sir1179
      @sir1179 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Hugo Bustillo we agree this is best way talking

  • @cslack813
    @cslack813 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1723

    They should have embraced the “Kevin is a genius” conspiracy. It would have given the writers credit for something they didn’t deserve.

    • @Ben10man2
      @Ben10man2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yep

    • @CuddleCuttlefish
      @CuddleCuttlefish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      I still watch the show like the theory is true, even if the actor denied it

    • @princessbubblegum27
      @princessbubblegum27 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep

    • @mr.monocle5982
      @mr.monocle5982 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Or he absolutely destroys Ron

    • @cherylhulting1301
      @cherylhulting1301 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually it would have been much funnier than what they ultimately did with Kevin. It would have been rich for Brian Baumgartner to play.

  • @suryapanditi3161
    @suryapanditi3161 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2410

    I liked him better in the earlier seasons when his voice was more monotone and “dull” unlike the childlike voice it turns into as the show progresses.

    • @afroturtle989
      @afroturtle989 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Surya Panditi true he used to be just lazy then he evolves into acting retired
      If you catch my drift

    • @ma2443
      @ma2443 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      i feel the opposite

    • @kimp7160
      @kimp7160 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      I love the child-like Kevin. Monotone Kevin is more realistic but not nearly as entertaining or endearing

    • @suryapanditi3161
      @suryapanditi3161 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Kim P Agreed. I know I’m in the minority here and even though the childlike Kevin has more memorable moments I think he’s a little too cartoonish for me. I like the subtlety in the earlier Kevin’s jokes.

    • @iagas9
      @iagas9 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Same. I don't really understand why people like later seasons Kevin. He's just a cartoon. Not every Office character has to be ridiculous, we need some normal people

  • @Moobeus
    @Moobeus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2806

    Erins character also got
    “flanderized” she went from being just a little bit innocent to being a complete imbecile by the end

    • @CamJames
      @CamJames 4 ปีที่แล้ว +193

      man she got stupid as hell. Gullible too.

    • @GigaChadMob
      @GigaChadMob 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Nah, she was always a complete imbecile.

    • @poindexterflex3528
      @poindexterflex3528 4 ปีที่แล้ว +248

      I think she was the most hurt by the departure of Michael. They had real potential together as a pseudo father/daughter combination. I loved the 'I got a big box' song and 'Scissor me!'

    • @Moobeus
      @Moobeus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

      L. Ron Hoyabembe she was fine in her first few episodes it was after Gabe showed up they turned her into a complete and utter idiot to the point where it wasn’t even believable, she was worse than Kevin imo

    • @poindexterflex3528
      @poindexterflex3528 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      @@Moobeus As an aside, the Gabe character was just awful.

  • @baarrbarella
    @baarrbarella 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1100

    The scene with the Chili is SO heartbreaking 😭

    • @availanila
      @availanila 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      I felt so much second hand embarrassment I had to stop watching for a while and just sit in silence crying-laughing. 😭😂

    • @riripari2042
      @riripari2042 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It was too funny for me. 😂

  • @laikonicole1983
    @laikonicole1983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3356

    I feel like after Steve left, they realized they were going to have to make up for what they would be lacking in his absence. Every character with the exception of Darryl became an over exaggerated version of their character.

    • @nikitanair6337
      @nikitanair6337 4 ปีที่แล้ว +480

      Laiko Nicole which is really interesting because when micheal left, he specifically told Kevin “don’t be a caricature”. I wonder what the writers were trying to say since that’s exactly what they did to his character.

    • @mikerivera373
      @mikerivera373 4 ปีที่แล้ว +288

      Eh, Kevin’s exaggeration started at the end of season 5. And honestly, I don’t think most of the main characters got flanderized. Like Jim and Pam stayed pretty normal, and Dwight kept growing into a more sympathetic character. I think Stanley and Ryan were the only other main characters to get flanderized.

    • @Bluestomiv
      @Bluestomiv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Yes especially Dwight. Just watch the season 8 premier. It’s jarring.

    • @nikitanair6337
      @nikitanair6337 4 ปีที่แล้ว +117

      Mike’s Music Reviews Yeah the main characters got more and more sympathetic and likable but that’s bc they didn’t provide the same type of humor that Micheal did. Andy and Kevin became increasingly more caricature like bc they were the characters who showed similar types of humor to Micheal. Kevin was micheal’s crudeness and unintelligence while Andy was his enthusiasm and romanizing side. But then the writers made Andy unlikeable again which is why the 9th season seemed so empty until the last couple of episodes.

    • @BurnBird1
      @BurnBird1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      @@mikerivera373 Pam stayed normal in the sense that she was mostly a believable person, but she shifted to be a completely different person from how she was in earlier seasons, in a way that character development wouldn't be able to account for.

  • @absolutnadia
    @absolutnadia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1766

    “10”
    “Really 10? That’s your guess? You’re a professional accountant.” LMFAOOOOO

    • @endlessfreedomful
      @endlessfreedomful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      he's not going for Kleven, give him some credits!

    • @userseveneleven
      @userseveneleven 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      LMAO FUNNY HILARIOUS 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @mikitz
      @mikitz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He couldn't have been a complete idiot, since professional accountants' starting IQ is at around 100.

  • @C94577
    @C94577 4 ปีที่แล้ว +483

    “They call me Kevin!” Yeah “and thats my name” yeah “ they call me Kevin” yeah “cuz that’s my name”
    - Kevin Malone

  • @fam6883
    @fam6883 4 ปีที่แล้ว +241

    Remember that scene when Michael did not want Kevin to leave Cafe Disco and hes like 'Kevin, Cookie', and Kevin literally stopped like a dog. It was so stupid.

  • @johnschaffler1507
    @johnschaffler1507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +571

    Kevin's issue was that he was a relatively smart guy in the wrong job, something that happens all the time in the real world. He didn't have the mindset or personality to be an accountant but Micheal wasn't going to fire him and it's made clear that two people - Oscar and Angela - could handle the accounting duties with him contributing nothing to the effort. It also explains his sexual 'depravity' - he was completely unfullfilled in both his personal and professional life. So that's why him becoming a bartender/owner at the end makes sense - he had people skills and a little bit of an imagination that were being unused as an accountant and had a toe dipped into the seedier side of life; owning a bar was a real possibility, even his accounting experience would have helped him. The writers missed on a real chance to make him a more interesting character.

    • @a.m.861
      @a.m.861 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      John Schaffler damn you look dumb

    • @j.elizabeth4621
      @j.elizabeth4621 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Busta But that further explains the first commenters point - Kevin is a hands on and social guy. He’s good with numbers and Michael likes people who make him laugh so naturally he would want Kevin upstairs. Angela and Oscar are content with their jobs because their personalities align and it’s where they excel with their skills. But Kevin has a job that makes him feel constrained and trapped. You can see it come out whenever he’s in public; he’s in bands and plays poker, and he can call out office romances quick because he is attentive to people and his surroundings. It’s hard to be trapped if you aren’t in your element and I think he felt very stifled after the years.

    • @Missrere1984
      @Missrere1984 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I don't remember what episode/season it was but Michael said Kevin originally applied for a job in the warehouse....

  • @mikerivera373
    @mikerivera373 4 ปีที่แล้ว +269

    Okay I really do hate that they just cut off Kevin’s second love story. I wish that would have gone somewhere, even though I understand that with the exaggeration of his character, it had to be done.

  • @Scarlett59319
    @Scarlett59319 4 ปีที่แล้ว +811

    I find it’s even worse with Joey on friends! Like in the end how did he even get women he got so stupid

    • @Jaclynn9
      @Jaclynn9 4 ปีที่แล้ว +81

      Sapphire Paige I think the same thing about Barney from How I Met Your Mother. Like there’s no way he got as many women in the later seasons as he did when his schemes got stupider and/or slimier.

    • @marissa1373
      @marissa1373 4 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      When they were talking about flanderization I immediately thought of Joey!! I couldn’t stand him by the last season. They made him into such an idiot.

    • @trinaq
      @trinaq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      I second this! In the first few seasons, Joey was hardly the brains of the gang, but he had SOME smart moments. Come Season 10, and he's unable to speak a word of French, which ironic because Matt LeBlanc speaks fluent French in real life! 🤦🏻‍♀️

    • @tinaloye2014
      @tinaloye2014 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Trina Q maybe he was on the joke especially with French

    • @CalliopexMaria
      @CalliopexMaria 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      do you think that this could also aply to monica? i always felt like after s5 the writers took her competiveness/obsession with cleaning side way too far compared to the earlier seasons

  • @irwinisidro
    @irwinisidro 4 ปีที่แล้ว +195

    I really didn't know why they had to end the relationship Kevin started during the Valentines Day episode. It could have given a chance for Kevin to mature similar to Michael with Holly. They could have used that as an opportunity for him to change certain aspects like him not overeating, stopped being immature to his female coworkers, and take his work seriously if he wants a future with his girlfriend. Especially since his former fiancee left him for not changing who he is. And him and the actress seemed to have good chemistry on screen.

  • @rachaelrobin7094
    @rachaelrobin7094 4 ปีที่แล้ว +533

    I’m not sure if it’s just me but does anyone remember that Erin’s name actually isn’t Erin, It’s Kelly

    • @fam6883
      @fam6883 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Girl i was literally watching that episode when theres two kellys

    • @commandercorner5575
      @commandercorner5575 4 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      Yeah. It's not the only throw away joke that they literally threw away and completely forgot about.

    • @trinaq
      @trinaq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Erin mentioned in the same episode she's introduced that everyone calls her by her middle name anyway, so there's not that much of a difference. 😊

    • @averygriffith4199
      @averygriffith4199 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Imagine the joke if Andy and Erin gotten married and Andy is surprised to remember that her real name is Kelly during the vows.

    • @riripari2042
      @riripari2042 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Omg I forgot about that. 😂

  • @batgurrl
    @batgurrl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +650

    They made him seem mentally handicapped just like when Holly was ‘punked’ into thinking Kevin was ‘special’. They went with that after it seems.

    • @yxw6528
      @yxw6528 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      That was one of the funniest bits but they shouldn't have gone that way

    • @bluebutterfly5062
      @bluebutterfly5062 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@yxw6528 i agree that was hilarious!

    • @riripari2042
      @riripari2042 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That episode was too funny for me. Everybody looked at her in shock when they found out she believed Kevin was special.

    • @listrahtes
      @listrahtes ปีที่แล้ว

      At that point I think it was a clever plot point as Dwight tricked Holly into that. Sadly they went with it in later seasons.

  • @watsyourdestiny2086
    @watsyourdestiny2086 4 ปีที่แล้ว +523

    Y’all should also cover why they completely changed Kelly’s character as well if you haven’t already. She was so different in the beginning compared to the ending

    • @i_dontlikemilk
      @i_dontlikemilk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +125

      Destiny Jennings her storyline was so intrinsically tied to Ryan, who became majorly ridiculous as time went on, that they dialled her up too to match his madness. Which bothered me because I really didn’t like that storyline 💀

    • @kristengastauer8785
      @kristengastauer8785 4 ปีที่แล้ว +172

      In the Office Ladies podcast, Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey say that Mindy Kaling was a writer on the show and they used her as a minor role when they needed someone. Once Kaling realized Kelly would be coming back, she incorporated more of her own personality and style as she didn’t like the quiet, reserved Kelly. The character of Toby Flenderson was played by another writer who didn’t realize they would be taking on a recurring, long term role.

    • @Vasilia4
      @Vasilia4 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      I liked Kelly's later character. They just hadn't figured out how to use her yet in the first season. Same goes for Michael

    • @RambofromWarzone
      @RambofromWarzone 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She did some writing on the show as well which is crazy

    • @Vasilia4
      @Vasilia4 4 ปีที่แล้ว +90

      @@RatFacedJasper acrually, Kelly's character was ground breaking, because it smashed stereotypes on Asian women. They don't always have to be intelligent and conservative. Sometimes, they're named Kelly and are outgoing "dumb blondes".

  • @andreadelikat2220
    @andreadelikat2220 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1027

    No, its not Austin coucher! This is Kevin mALonE
    Sir, this is a Wendy's

    • @AxxLAfriku
      @AxxLAfriku 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      WARNING I am the unprettiest human YTer worldwide, but somehow I have TWO HOT TH-camR girlfriends. Thanks for being a future subscriber, dear ansrea

    • @fus5363
      @fus5363 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      AxxL I remember you doing this like a year ago and now ur back fuck why

    • @freakyowl955
      @freakyowl955 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      *Ashton Kutcher

    • @pistolen87
      @pistolen87 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like his hair piece! No shame in having one if you're balding.

    • @karlmarx2451
      @karlmarx2451 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@AxxLAfriku Tell me more Rico Suave!

  • @samdiego1965
    @samdiego1965 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1235

    Flanderization happens when writers get lazy

    • @ziksy6460
      @ziksy6460 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      I agree. This video makes an argument towards the end as to why Flanderization isn't always a bad thing. But I don't think it applies to the Office.
      As a fan of both The Office and Parks n Rec, I noticed how The Office struggles to juggle side characters in comparison to PnR. In PnR, characters are good foils to each other so even the side characters naturally get developed in tandem with the more main characters.
      In The Office, half of the characters are just side gags as the seasons progress.

    • @W0LV1E45
      @W0LV1E45 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      or ruining character and relationship (Andy/Erin).

    • @CamJames
      @CamJames 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@ziksy6460 Without The Office P&R wouldn't be what it is.

    • @natethegr8tt
      @natethegr8tt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Just like what happened to SpongeBob 😔

    •  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@CamJames Parks & Rec was originally going to be a spinoff of The Office, centered around Rashida Jones' character, who was originally intended to be the same character she played in The Office.

  • @DeadCanuck
    @DeadCanuck 4 ปีที่แล้ว +235

    Can’t believe this episode wasn’t called “We Need To Talk About Kevin.”

  • @happychaosofthenorth
    @happychaosofthenorth 4 ปีที่แล้ว +364

    When Kevin dropped the chilli, I FELT that.

    • @Legendary_Detective-Wobbuffet
      @Legendary_Detective-Wobbuffet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      That was terrible! I wanted to go into my tv and save him!

    • @jennifermcgoldrick6323
      @jennifermcgoldrick6323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yeah, I'm one of the people who cringe and want to fast forward through that scene - it's heart wrenching 😂

    • @Missrere1984
      @Missrere1984 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jennifermcgoldrick6323 Same!

  • @mdolinski4926
    @mdolinski4926 4 ปีที่แล้ว +182

    The Office lost a lot of its empathy and became much more mean-spirited towards its characters as the show went on. Even Jim and Pam were more smug and less likable.

    • @thesilvershining
      @thesilvershining 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This. Exactly. It was very jarring :/

    • @squashfei8907
      @squashfei8907 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @Genevieve Giles I didn't mind her becoming more assertive, it was only when she became cruel to others (the Kevin cookie monster episode) that I didn't think she was being true to her character.

    • @mikitz
      @mikitz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I would call this de-Flanderization, i.e., some of the characters overdeveloping (or broadening) in an instant. The same happened with shows like Frasier and Big Bang Theory, where too many of the characters' flaws (their original selling points) were removed once the writers painted themselves in the corner, hoping to bring more room for future plots.

    • @MrTCHOSS
      @MrTCHOSS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@squashfei8907 She fucked over her own husband, made up a position and committed fraud against her company. Assertive Feminist Pam was one of the worst characters in TV history. In fact, she was the worst character in the last few seasons

    • @ellap73
      @ellap73 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@MrTCHOSS she didn’t fuck over her husband. She just expected him to be around to help raise his two kids. Instead he just went off and left her alone working a full time job and doing all the childcare without his support.
      She had every right to be upset with that.

  • @tlawson5787
    @tlawson5787 4 ปีที่แล้ว +244

    Nothing was more cartoonish than the episode when dwight shoots stanley with a tranquilizer to get him to go on a sales call.

    • @Phoenix-pm2qr
      @Phoenix-pm2qr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Yea that was the worst. They ruined Dwight too.

    • @clwireg
      @clwireg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Another thing with that is that the reason he does it is that the elevator is out of order and Stanley refuses to use the stairs. Just four seasons earlier, Stanley *willingly* uses the stairs even if the elevator is working, in order to lose weight, and seems to have no problem with it

    • @garrettcooper58
      @garrettcooper58 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That episode was kind of hilarious

    • @visassess8607
      @visassess8607 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That was so stupid but I laughed lmao

  • @mbanerjee5889
    @mbanerjee5889 4 ปีที่แล้ว +231

    The biggest victim of Flanderization: Eric Matthews in Boy Meets World
    Eric was a very complex character and had good character development in the highschool years. Mr. Feeny often commented on his intelligence. It always upsets me how much they ruined his character.

    • @taramaria5936
      @taramaria5936 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I always felt that Eric changed after he had to let Tommy (his little "brother") go after saying he couldn't adopt him. I felt he had so much grief and trauma after that he became a caricature of himself as he couldn't handle the sadness of how he was feeling.

    • @RambofromWarzone
      @RambofromWarzone 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Man so many facts

    • @Damop17
      @Damop17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Mallika Banerjee yes!!!! He just became a cartoon of the Eric people saw. BMW literally my favorite show of all time so I feel you

    • @GenericSupervillain3
      @GenericSupervillain3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Eric made sense, though. If you think of the show being from Cory's perspective, when he was young he worshiped his big brother, he was the coolest guy around. Smart, charming, cool. So that's how we saw him. As Cory grew older, his opinion of his brother changed, and so did ours.

    • @jeffhilton2670
      @jeffhilton2670 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It was strange because at one point shawn and Eric traded character traits.

  • @W0LV1E45
    @W0LV1E45 4 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    Kevin's Caricature. Andy's character being ruined in S9 and ruining Andy/Erin relationship they've been setting up since S5 to force Plop aka Toby Jr aka the most forgettable and dull character in The Office.
    If NBC made a deal with Carell, Andy/Erin relationship and character wouldn't be ruined, no stupid interns (plop aka toby jr. and clark), no nellie, but unfortunately no robert california.

    • @Ewan_Tyler
      @Ewan_Tyler 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Robert California was probably the best addition out of the last seasons

    • @wiictvchannel1112
      @wiictvchannel1112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @Ms. Tal I think Nellie was one of the worst choices to add to the show.

    • @robbiegarnz7732
      @robbiegarnz7732 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I agree. Hated all the new characters. Plop and Clark were absolutely forgettable. Didn’t care for Robert California or Nellie either. It was criminal what they did with Andy and Erin.

    • @DaFro3713
      @DaFro3713 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Robbie Garnz Plop And Clarke are essentially the great value versions of Jim and Dwight, with Erin being shoehorned into a great value version of Pam. This would be fine, if Jim, Pam, and Dwight weren’t there and the writers weren’t trying to beat us over the head with it from the start of that season.

    • @W0LV1E45
      @W0LV1E45 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DaFro3713 I was gonna argue with you until I realize that you used Great Value as a term for generic (like the walmart version great value or equate). I agree with everything you said.

  • @JustSomebody5
    @JustSomebody5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +152

    In the Show Community, Britta was one of my favorite characters and I was very disappointed to watch as she became a shell of the powerful assertive personality she once was and became the "annoying" PC punching bag member of the group.
    I didn't know there was a word for the devolving process she went through until now.
    Thank you for the video.

    • @ILikedGooglePlus
      @ILikedGooglePlus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes

    • @happychaosofthenorth
      @happychaosofthenorth 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yeah, the writer's Britta'd Britta.

    • @trinaq
      @trinaq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I agree, in the beginning, Britta seemed to be the voice of reason, and one of the more "down to earth" characters. Then, almost overnight, she was reduced to the butt of every joke, and a walking disaster, with nothing ever going right for her! 😪

    • @funkystyle7249
      @funkystyle7249 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Somehow seemed very realistic to how some people are,like some pc activists- has good intentions but she lacks the knowledge to make her arguments work and sometimes hypocritical. I don't think she was flandered to the point of complete dumbness like other tv characters but yeah there should have been some growth, but I feel she had some good moments tho few in the later seasons.

    • @user-qv2qf1jk5o
      @user-qv2qf1jk5o 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They started to save it with her starting to actually become a therapist (like when she gains emotional awareness and mediates conflict) but they abandoned that after a few episodes.
      Also, that whole “she only cares about honesty” thing was totally forgotten about - I’m not saying they should’ve kept it, but they could’ve resolved or explained it

  • @carson11100
    @carson11100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    RIP to the occasionally dumb but secretly intelligent, skilled sportsman and poker star Kevin Malone of early seasons of The Office :(

  • @marcespinoza6068
    @marcespinoza6068 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    I shed a little tear every time I watch the episode wear he drops that pot of chili. You hear him talking about staying up all night making it and he truly seems very proud of it and cant want to share it with his co-workers and when he drops it I get super bummed out.

    • @electron2601
      @electron2601 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah that was painful to watch.

  • @DMshell17
    @DMshell17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +176

    This reminds me of Eric from Boy Meets World. Could you do one of his character? He changed so much and became barely functioning even though at the beginning of the series he was a girl-obsessed teenager.

    • @miraarsinkathar9315
      @miraarsinkathar9315 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes thank you!!!

    • @JacobyIsMyName
      @JacobyIsMyName 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      This. I want this video so badly. What the hell happened to Eric? He's a normal teenage guy the moment the series begins, all the way through the first three seasons. Cory admires him dearly, loves him and is always disappointed when Eric chooses a girl over spending time with him. But as Cory gets older, and Eric starts to struggle with the direction in his life, Cory's perception of Eric starts to shift dramatically, and it's like the writers just decided to let him dissolve. Maybe they wanted audience to look at Eric the way Cory looked at Eric? Either way, it's a shift that has always bothered me. Especially since Eric was one of my favorite characters on the show. Making him the comedic relief was nice sometimes, since Will is so funny in the first place. But why couldn't he be funny AND intelligent?

    • @tybooskie
      @tybooskie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      joey from friends.

    • @Hakajin
      @Hakajin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That was actually really interesting! He started out as like a typical cool older brother, but over the course of the show, he got really weird. I actually thought his character was more interesting that way.

    • @itsmemelissa94
      @itsmemelissa94 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      BMW got an entirely new set of writers between seasons and largely is the catalyst for the change in Eric.

  • @emiratesawesome
    @emiratesawesome 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    I think a lot of Kevin’s character development issues would have been solved if the writers just let him find love with Lynn. That would demonstrate a lot of growth for Kevin, and the audience needed it.

    • @cherylhulting1301
      @cherylhulting1301 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I was disappointed that they didn't take that relationship further.

  • @ellie4328
    @ellie4328 4 ปีที่แล้ว +166

    It’s kind of like what they did to joey on friends

    • @gefen314
      @gefen314 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't think so
      He actually became an adult and much more mature than what he was.
      Definitely became less stereotypical stupid also.

    • @askmewhosjoe6682
      @askmewhosjoe6682 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Joey was a little more dumb but they gave him redeeming qualities too

  • @gabbidurham
    @gabbidurham 4 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    I think Jan becoming more characterized is her slowly going insane

  • @jlrob85
    @jlrob85 4 ปีที่แล้ว +199

    I honestly think the shows writing got lazier as the seasons got on. Other characters went through the same thing

    • @borninsalt125
      @borninsalt125 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      almost a sure sign a series is going to end. I kinda feel like the same thing is happening to Brooklyn 99

    • @kim1233karis
      @kim1233karis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Andy actually becomes normal.

    • @amp4105
      @amp4105 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      because merchant and gervais stopped working on it

    • @emfraridades7261
      @emfraridades7261 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You think you know more about writing than professional writers

    • @JennaLeigh
      @JennaLeigh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@emfraridades7261 right? Welcome to the internet, where people think watching TH-cam videos makes them experts on subjects they know next to nothing about

  • @jacintairons5970
    @jacintairons5970 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I feel like this is almost exactly what they did with the character of Cat on Victorious...

  • @TheRewinderCC
    @TheRewinderCC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    i think kevin overeats partly because hes depressed as hell.

  • @dylankrejci9965
    @dylankrejci9965 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I just realized: tv idiots have the best sense of romances going on. joey caught on to mondler faster than the others, and kevin not only called PB & J, but noticed Angela saying "romanceS"

  • @ay-leck1369
    @ay-leck1369 4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Some of the ‘Flanderized’ characters were purposely changed after the first season because the writers felt that their personalities weren’t really working well with the show. Kelly and Michael are two examples that were drastically and suddenly improved at the start of Season 2 to more fit how the creators felt they should act. Later on Andy was also changed and came back as a better character after he had anger management training.

    • @emfraridades7261
      @emfraridades7261 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes. It happens with EVERY single show at first season. Its just a test basically. Most change for better. Sitcoms need characters with specific remarkable traits. Its not a soap opera. The same with Friends. The First season is basically a totally different show. People complain thinking they know better than the writers It's just ridicoulous.

    • @00_00.1
      @00_00.1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think in the first season the main characters were heavily influenced by their UK office counterparts

    • @GodisGudd
      @GodisGudd ปีที่แล้ว

      Kelly didnt improve.

  • @socialistbatman1211
    @socialistbatman1211 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The behaviour of Kevin and Andy in later seasons made me so angry.

  • @bisexualichigo4227
    @bisexualichigo4227 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Kevin, the best Office example of Flanderization

  • @thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051
    @thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051 4 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    You should do a video on the horrible character changes of Peter Griffin

    • @trinaq
      @trinaq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I agree, they've taken Peter's "Bumbling Dad" traits, and ampted them up to 11, so that he's a more mean spirited Homer Simpson! 😒

    • @icecreamhero2375
      @icecreamhero2375 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      To be fair they were always trying to make Peter as stupid as humanly possible. He was stupid as he is now since day one.

    • @Zeverinsen
      @Zeverinsen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      >changes 😂

    • @brianjames2000
      @brianjames2000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gov'ment came and took my baby!

    • @rymon8460
      @rymon8460 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@icecreamhero2375 he was always stupid but they turned him into a sociopathic asshole

  • @youtubesubtitles9741
    @youtubesubtitles9741 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Michael: We're moving to Colorado.
    Kevin: all of us?

  • @borninsalt125
    @borninsalt125 4 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    “Ever since Stacey left...It was hard to see where.....Its just nice to win one”
    That seen after Kevin won back the parking spaces was the closest I got to see Kevin cry. Go to hell Stacey.

    • @DrJ-hx7wv
      @DrJ-hx7wv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We all know a Kevin

  • @ilovecody7514
    @ilovecody7514 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    It's kinda one of my few gripes with the office. It's a good show but a few characters end up like this and end up being an over exaggerated shell of what they once were.

  • @AE1OU
    @AE1OU 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Why waste time, say lot word when few word do trick?

  • @Deemememe
    @Deemememe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    They did the same to Creed. He was like this intelligent criminal then they turned him to into an idiot. BOBODDY!

    • @21LeonidasZ
      @21LeonidasZ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it was implied that this was due to his age.

  • @kathrynvincent1563
    @kathrynvincent1563 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    All I know about Kevin is his Famous Chili...

  • @GoyoTheKid12
    @GoyoTheKid12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This episode of The Take could have been entitled "We Need To Talk About Kevin"

    • @DaFro3713
      @DaFro3713 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly, I hate those videos. They’re usually made by clickbait sites who look way to deep beyond simple jokes and use their own head cannon to rail on a character and just make shit up.

    • @GoyoTheKid12
      @GoyoTheKid12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DaFro3713 Yeah but I more meant as a reference to the Tilda Swinton/Ezra Miller/John C. Reilly movie. I recommend it always as either the saddest horror movie or the scariest drama I've ever seen.

  • @LarryLeeMoniz
    @LarryLeeMoniz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am so glad someone finally made a video exclusively about the ridiculous decline of Kevin Malone. He was one of my favorite characters in the first 3 seasons. He actually had more dimensions. There were shades of competency in the beginning. Only to become a caricature. Fantastic, crazy thorough analysis! A great look at TV sitcoms as a whole, and what happens when they are on the air too long. Thank you! Also, that clip from StocktonCon... I was there! Got a photo with Kevin, Oscar and Stanley!

  • @scottismissing
    @scottismissing 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Monica in friends was one of the most flanderized characters. I think she was a pretty likable character in the beginning but in my opinion she increasingly became more annoying throughout the seasons. The whole character became a controlling neat freak who wanted to have kids and get married.

    • @emfraridades7261
      @emfraridades7261 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They decided to maker her cleaning and bossy style a think after the First thanksgiving episode. She wanted badly to settle down and have kids since season 2. But yes she did got cartoonish later on

  • @naitsirk32
    @naitsirk32 4 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    He is simply the Jerry in the Office

    • @CookieMonster70119
      @CookieMonster70119 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Kristian I would think Toby is the Jerry for The Office

    • @ryangaskin4938
      @ryangaskin4938 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      you mean Larry

    • @EmandEms
      @EmandEms 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Ryan Gaskin no it’s Gary

    • @ryangaskin4938
      @ryangaskin4938 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@EmandEms wait, wasn't it Terry?

    • @lindamukarakate7511
      @lindamukarakate7511 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      no Jerry was very clearly Toby

  • @RyanAnthonyDigitalMedia
    @RyanAnthonyDigitalMedia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This video didn’t have to be 21min long..

  • @spookyspikes6576
    @spookyspikes6576 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wished someone loved me like how skillshare loves this channel.

  • @robbiegarnz7732
    @robbiegarnz7732 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    When Holy first met him and assumed he had special needs was both highly offensive and hilarious! “You drive too? Good for you!” Lol!
    Meanwhile Kevin thinks she’s hitting on him! Lol!

    • @freyjacooper9082
      @freyjacooper9082 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dwight told her he had special needs

  • @janwouter5215
    @janwouter5215 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    The decline of Kevin is the decline of the office.

  • @rachelle_banks
    @rachelle_banks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    This video feels like a collection essay introductions. I'm now past 8 minutes in and they're showing another title card restating what has been stated so many times already. I don't know if I can commit to 21 minutes right now.

    • @rachelle_banks
      @rachelle_banks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Goah Way Well, they have the freedom to do it and I reckon I have the freedom to not watch their vids.

    • @thareelhelloagain
      @thareelhelloagain 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I have to agree, it's not a very well written video. They spend 21 minutes saying the same couple of thoughts in different ways.

  • @giooo6302
    @giooo6302 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Can you make one about euphoria? How it really showcased the inner and outer problems of gen z’s while also using its unique visuals and cinematography to convey confusion and are hyper senses of sex

  • @g-love2401
    @g-love2401 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    You should do the ugly trope and how its tell girls and guys that the only way to be happy is to be beautiful and how the beautiful people around them are keeping him away from that happiness

  • @ljsneets7037
    @ljsneets7037 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Yeah, I liked Kevin way more when he was a bit of a hustler, and had some skills. Making him out to be a moron was a weakness of the show IMO

  • @madz2013
    @madz2013 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I always hated how they handled Kevin. I grew up with severe binge eating disorder/yo-yo diet and seeing Kevin made me feel like a complete loser.

  • @hamob1800
    @hamob1800 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    5:35 you can hear someone break and laugh in the background

  • @lipeeefl
    @lipeeefl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Kevin getting revenge on ryan is still one of my favorite deleted scenes

  • @sawyerharris3721
    @sawyerharris3721 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm afraid this is happening with certain characters in Brooklyn Nine Nine too.

    • @saotomemary2545
      @saotomemary2545 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which characters?

    • @ekay8968
      @ekay8968 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@saotomemary2545 Scully and Hitchcock

  • @viennaux3967
    @viennaux3967 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    its been 7 years since this show has been off the air but its so great that even to this day its relevant and still has us hooked to it 💕

  • @TakashiAmanoOriginal
    @TakashiAmanoOriginal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    michaels flanderization is the most perfect thing ever

  • @deacon1429
    @deacon1429 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love your videos, they’re some of my favorite content on the platform! Thank you, and I hope you’re all doing well in these trying times!

  • @bassssaasuuuup
    @bassssaasuuuup 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    can you imagine being a professional serious actor from theatre to “ me no words say less ”👀 imagine the humiliation

  • @ivankaramasov
    @ivankaramasov 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I've never found stupidity funny in itself. Kevin was too intellectually limited to be funny from the beginning. At the end, he was only sad and annoying. I have laughed more from watching the Office than any other sitcom, but I don't think Kevin made me laugh even once.

  • @kaushikikar1013
    @kaushikikar1013 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Because Kevin was the only one who called a spade a spade... I love it when he said...Andy won't make it..can't you see it guys..then Andy actually went on and adopted dogs.. 🤣🤣🤣 also when he told the senator..you are a horrible person 🤣🤣 He was the most mature character beneath this get up of being a big fat butt of jokes..he is All Heart 💜😘 He sees things which even the office consciousness Jim missed 💌

  • @toby7442
    @toby7442 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This was on my mind lately, it’s crazy. Love your content Take crew!

  • @i_dontlikemilk
    @i_dontlikemilk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Andy.. what did they do to Andy :(

    • @thesilvershining
      @thesilvershining 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @idontlikemilk Have you finished the show by now? Andy became my 2nd fave character in season 5, he was a genuinely funny sweet musical dork after anger management and by season 9 they tried to regress him back into the angry dumbass of season 3. It infuriated me because I really enjoyed his character development and the writers purposely made Andy a failure to make Dwight seem “better”... you don’t do that. If you’re a good writer you don’t have to shit on one of your characters to improve another 🤷🏻‍♀️

  • @BGro87
    @BGro87 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Can you please do some other beloved TV shows of people of color. For example Living Single, A Different Word, or Girlfriends. I love The Office like most people, but the shows above were just as good and deserves how well you deep dive into the characters and depth.

  • @Jambit2550
    @Jambit2550 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    the whole decline of the office started when they tried giving the secondary characters more personality. you had stanley and meredith doin crazy shit they otherwise wouldn’t have them do in the first couple seasons

  • @user-ym6lc7pk1e
    @user-ym6lc7pk1e 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Unfortunately, this fate was awaiting almost every person from The Office, not just Kevin. Look at Andy, who transformed from some dumb anger-prone character to the complex and multi-talented star of the office and then back to the dumb revenge-driven nobody. With the exception of Michael, Jim and Pam, every other character was simplified to the most extreme until they became a caricature of themselves.

  • @jasper2469
    @jasper2469 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the reason why kevin declining is because he dropped the chili. he wanted everyone to get to know each other in the pot. it seems that he failed accomplishing that task that haunted him forever

  • @JThomasS
    @JThomasS 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I’m a simple man, I see a video about Kevin and I click

    • @trinaq
      @trinaq 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Likewise, once The Take and The Office are involved, I'm so there! 😁

  • @asmrcity3147
    @asmrcity3147 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    It’s called lazy writing. His character was supposed to be boring, not brain dead. The destruction of characters in later seasons made this show tough to watch.

    • @amaluna-sol1956
      @amaluna-sol1956 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This. Writing really has gone down in this world. It's terrible that people think "flanderization" is an acceptable writing technique to use liberally. It's just lazy, horrible, bad writing that is done to cater to the most meaningless humor, and it mars any book, game, show, etc that it's a part of.

  • @W0LV1E45
    @W0LV1E45 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Andy and Erin are basically younger Michael and Holly as character personalities and relationship.

  • @orangejuice8339
    @orangejuice8339 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok but”my name is Kevin” song will always be a banger

  • @spyguyvishal
    @spyguyvishal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As the series went on Kevin went from a character in the office to a character from parks and rec in the office

  • @denoctiluca
    @denoctiluca 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That chili scene.. perfect actor for the perfect role

  • @des0163
    @des0163 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Kevin has suffered more from Flanderization then any other character in TV history.

  • @alexandrebeaudry8377
    @alexandrebeaudry8377 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think i jumped the shark in my own life.

  • @mikchik00
    @mikchik00 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    So...cat valentine from Victorious?
    Can we talk about what that show did to her character?

    • @mikerivera373
      @mikerivera373 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ...it was a Nickelodeon show. I don’t think it was meant to be deeply analyzed.

    • @giooo6302
      @giooo6302 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually that’s not a bad one.. can you explain exactly what you mean by her character being analyzed

    • @bruna8778
      @bruna8778 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      that is the first character i think of when i think of this trope.

    • @ruin7307
      @ruin7307 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh my god yes they destroyed her

    • @icecreamhero2375
      @icecreamhero2375 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She was the same all the way through she was never all that smart. I think she actually got a bit smarter and more responsible in Sam and Cat and was often the voice of reason.

  • @jacobgroetsch7853
    @jacobgroetsch7853 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can you do Karen Fillipelli next. I would love to see a video about Jim's only other major love interest

  • @ataraxiiaa
    @ataraxiiaa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Is it me or is this happening to Linda belcher too?

  • @theengine
    @theengine 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Eric Matthews from Boy Meets World is the biggest example of this I've ever seen. In the early episodes, he's an attractive popular older brother who is a foil to his more awkward younger brother Corey. By the time they're in college, he's legitimately mentally handicapped.

  • @hollywoodshopaholic
    @hollywoodshopaholic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So many "dumb" characters lose any hint of edge or personality in TV shows. London Tipton from Suite Life of Zack and Cody, and Chelsea from That's So Raven immediately come to mind.

  • @philmstud2k
    @philmstud2k 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wasted opportunity to not make a “We Need to Talk About Kevin” joke

  • @abbashaidari8313
    @abbashaidari8313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I totally buy into the theory that Kevin was a secret Genius who was pretending to be dumb to get away with embezzling company money..
    And he repeatedly loves to show off his smarts, but in a wink wink way just to show us how easily he can fool all his co-workers. The Pie calculation was one of such examples.

  • @cansofworms
    @cansofworms 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I like how this video goes out of it's way entirely to avoid dissecting the trope of the fat character always being fat, gross, and stupid just because they're fat (or just being plain shit on for no reason other than that they're fat), when it clearly had every opportunity to lol
    Like y'all completely wanted to avoid Homer, and Peter from family guy, and Hitchcock and Scully from Brooklyn Nine Nine all falling into the same trope, and it's just funny because y'all have an entire series of videos (which are great and wonderful and intellectually stimulating) about common media tropes about women, how they have evolved or how they have been transformed or appropriated for both negative and positive reasons and how those representations affect the collective consciousness and discourse, but y'all didn't want to go ANYWHERE near the fat people being a big fat stupid baby trope just because they're fat trope. And like the video you made here was of great quality and the writing was *mwuah* awesome, but it just makes me go Hmmmm...? I wonder why? Contractual obligations perhaps? lol
    Speaking of the fat person being shit on and being gross and awful because they're fat trope, y'all should really do a video on Gary/Jerry from Parks & Rec about how they portrayed the fat man trope as a secret through line of awfulness underlying all the characters and society as a whole, and how even great people like Leslie fall prey to common stereotypes and harmful bias because even great people like Leslie cannot pass up the opportunity to shit on big ugly stupid fat people like Gary (who is not stupid and pathetic and whose real name is Jerry) if it means having fun as a part of the in crowd at the expense of outcasts like Gary, Jerry, Larry. And that how Jerry would probably be a lot more charismatic and outgoing and be able to live up to his true potential if people just weren't so shitty to him just because he happens to be fat. And how the show goes out of its way to make the point of Jerry being deserving of prestige and success when he is made mayor of Pawnee affirming that the talent and creativity and insider knowledge of the town we as the audience see in Jerry really does make him deserving of such a high position of community and authority. Something which could have benefited everyone if only maybe people weren't so shitty to him just because he is fat.
    So y'all should do a video on that, redeem yourselves by making that video because I want to see y'all do that because it would be great (and because I don't really want to), and thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

  • @melanieamv
    @melanieamv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    even till the end Kevin has bright great moments, when he goes with Angela and Oscar to Philip's birthday, he is the one who says to the senator he is being a jerk, and I love that part of the character

  • @princessmarlena1359
    @princessmarlena1359 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I feel that Lois Wilkerson from Malcolm in the Middle became “Flanderized” in a bad way, as did Malcolm and Francis....sadly with Francis it was after they improved his character then threw all of that away.

  • @alejandromunozpaz4036
    @alejandromunozpaz4036 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Kevin was laundrying money for himself

  • @borgCube100
    @borgCube100 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I hate it when this happens. Idk why Brooklyn-99 wasn't included, this happened to ALL the characters. I loved the earlier seasons.

  • @johnk6123
    @johnk6123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Pam: Uh my mother's coming Michael: that's what she sa..--cough-- Nope...

  • @hughausten7636
    @hughausten7636 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The webisode series of "The Accountants" Kevins got a better character arc than the whole series

  • @jennatandy6272
    @jennatandy6272 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It was all because of the radon in the ceiling

  • @kr3532
    @kr3532 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kevin owning a bar is not a deleted scene, its in one of the episodes