I have tried multiple times to make defensive play work in FM. The trick seems, as you suggest in the video, to not go ALL THE WAY defensive, but to use aggressive roles/balanced mentality to create chances. The team will still play solidly because of low lines, long passes and low pressing, but players will counter en masse when they gain the ball and create attacking plays. If you have too many defensive players instead they will just stay back and you will never have enough players in the attack to score.
I'm glad you did this, I feel Catanaccio is a workable philosophy (and was back in the day) but FM just sets it up so badly that it just gets overlooked. 3rd is pretty good overall. You could argue that this is essentially what Simeone does but it's alot more combattive and agressive.
the problem is in the trigger press IMO. I use low block, more often pressing, high tempo/direct passing system to counter park the bus, but when I experimented with less often trigger press, my result also dropped. same thing with play for set pieces. sometimes it can be frustrating when I watched cause my player would steer towards fouls or set piece when it easily should be clear cut chance/half chance, so that TI is exclusively for time wasting to me.
The early pioneers of catenacchio in 1930s italy would insist the best game of football is when two teams shut each other out for a 0-0 draw. Having had Conte manage my club i would argue that its torture through boredom!
@@StingerNeilD try a 3-4-3 with three pressing fowards the ones in the side on defense, their work rates are crazy make sure you are using either positive or attacking mentality can't remember which but one of those two makes their mentality cautious which seems to work the best, also use the 3 strikers to ur advantage and hit early crosses because they will very either be free or up against a weaker fullback when it comes to their ability in the air
@StingerNeilD attacking football has been overpowered for so many years on FM I totally get how refreshing a tactic that consistently kills off games would be!
Hi man I been playing cm's and fm's over the years using counter attacking or a clean sheet mentality first strategy. Man marking or zonal is key in getting the defensive phase correct but that's dependant on what shape the ai play. You got the understanding correct with the attacking outlets offsetting the overall team mentality which would be defensive and low risk. The better balance overall the better counter attacking and the more in sync defending as a unit or team. Very impressive what you did! you always have the advantage with the newer fm's as well as you can prioritise defensive training either overall or for specific fixtures which will bump it further
Tried it with livorno in fm14 (they were still in serie a), 8th place finish was the most I could brought them even after signing young dybala and juan jesus. Got them to play ucl right after I switched to 4-2-3-1 tho
So it looks like you created an overload down the left to utilise Thuram with Dumfries being the main supply for the crosses. Have you thought about inverting the Wingbacks, like Big Ange, at spurs, to focus the ball through the middle?
catenaccio is a sore point with me. ive tried it various ways on fm11 with no success whatsoever. now im terrible at making tactics admittedly. but i researched it, and read up on it, in the inverting the pyramid book. i tried the original rappan's verrou, then moved onto helenio herrera's succesful system for inter. it should be a sweeper, two players in the cb position (one a stopper), a left back who can bomb on, one in the dm position (an anchor man type), one creative centre mid, an inside fwd type player, an amc, a wide mid on the right who attacks and defends, and one striker. could i get it to work, could i f...
Strange that first simulation ended up with sacking as everyone else normally scores 30000 goals and wins everything unbeaten 😆
😂😂😂 fancy that
How do I tag Josh Daly?
@kelvinengland3991 that was very generalised it's not all him
@@trequinho true but his is very blatant.
@@trequinho and it twere but a joke
I have tried multiple times to make defensive play work in FM. The trick seems, as you suggest in the video, to not go ALL THE WAY defensive, but to use aggressive roles/balanced mentality to create chances. The team will still play solidly because of low lines, long passes and low pressing, but players will counter en masse when they gain the ball and create attacking plays. If you have too many defensive players instead they will just stay back and you will never have enough players in the attack to score.
That's the best way I've managed it so far 👍
I'm glad you did this, I feel Catanaccio is a workable philosophy (and was back in the day) but FM just sets it up so badly that it just gets overlooked. 3rd is pretty good overall. You could argue that this is essentially what Simeone does but it's alot more combattive and agressive.
The Preset really harms the perceived effectiveness I think
the problem is in the trigger press IMO.
I use low block, more often pressing, high tempo/direct passing system to counter park the bus, but when I experimented with less often trigger press, my result also dropped.
same thing with play for set pieces. sometimes it can be frustrating when I watched cause my player would steer towards fouls or set piece when it easily should be clear cut chance/half chance, so that TI is exclusively for time wasting to me.
The early pioneers of catenacchio in 1930s italy would insist the best game of football is when two teams shut each other out for a 0-0 draw. Having had Conte manage my club i would argue that its torture through boredom!
😂😂 I still have a weird obsession with one day making defensive football work on FM
@@StingerNeilD try a 3-4-3 with three pressing fowards the ones in the side on defense, their work rates are crazy make sure you are using either positive or attacking mentality can't remember which but one of those two makes their mentality cautious which seems to work the best, also use the 3 strikers to ur advantage and hit early crosses because they will very either be free or up against a weaker fullback when it comes to their ability in the air
@StingerNeilD attacking football has been overpowered for so many years on FM I totally get how refreshing a tactic that consistently kills off games would be!
Hi man I been playing cm's and fm's over the years using counter attacking or a clean sheet mentality first strategy. Man marking or zonal is key in getting the defensive phase correct but that's dependant on what shape the ai play. You got the understanding correct with the attacking outlets offsetting the overall team mentality which would be defensive and low risk. The better balance overall the better counter attacking and the more in sync defending as a unit or team. Very impressive what you did! you always have the advantage with the newer fm's as well as you can prioritise defensive training either overall or for specific fixtures which will bump it further
Thank you mate. Interesting hearing your thoughts. Appreciated
Love this video. Thanks a lot for the inspiration man.
Thank you for giving it a watch
Love these videos. Big fan of defensive football so ill be trying something like this in my next save.
Good luck. Mixed success here 🫡
You made it work! Brilliant!
Kind of 😂🫡
good idea and video, my only recommendation is keeping the music a bit low, it might be better i think
Appreciate the feedback
would be interesting (no pun intended) to se how it would do with a bottom half team
Probably not very well but open to be proved wrong
Tried it with livorno in fm14 (they were still in serie a), 8th place finish was the most I could brought them even after signing young dybala and juan jesus. Got them to play ucl right after I switched to 4-2-3-1 tho
Loved this
Thank you
Good job
So it looks like you created an overload down the left to utilise Thuram with Dumfries being the main supply for the crosses.
Have you thought about inverting the Wingbacks, like Big Ange, at spurs, to focus the ball through the middle?
That could work too for sure
Good attempt
catenaccio is a sore point with me. ive tried it various ways on fm11 with no success whatsoever. now im terrible at making tactics admittedly. but i researched it, and read up on it, in the inverting the pyramid book. i tried the original rappan's verrou, then moved onto helenio herrera's succesful system for inter. it should be a sweeper, two players in the cb position (one a stopper), a left back who can bomb on, one in the dm position (an anchor man type), one creative centre mid, an inside fwd type player, an amc, a wide mid on the right who attacks and defends, and one striker. could i get it to work, could i f...
The only way to play catenaccio is 2 upfront forward
@@MarceloAlahid-vm3ifexcept Herrera did it with 1 striker and a number 10 behind
I prefer 2 up front so you have some sort of outlet
@@cmdrravenwulff5272 exactly. which is what i tried
Great! But the dlf next to the pressing forward kinda ruins the immersion, why not use a raumdeuter instead as amr?
Overthinking it bud.
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Palmer catching strays
from when is postecoglu an australian ?
His family moved from Greece when he was very young.
His Australian accent is a bit of a giveaway
It's just who he is mate
Heard him speak dude?
8 minutes 60 view's bro fall off
So original mate
My brother I'm 43 we don't use that comment lingo in these parts