I loved the bit about how when you affirm a child's stated gender dysphoria what you are actually affirming is their self hatred! The mark of a good therapist is being able to see what lies beneath the surface and that is why Sue Evans is so great!
No... Not really... There is gender euphoria as well which is experienced by trans people when expressing their internal sense of gender. It's a hell of a lot easier to work with that then against that.
@@bh24x How is rejecting who you actually are, rejecting yourself not a type of self hatred? Rejection without hatred, or at the very least dislike, maybe so.
@@cjk8249 it isn't treatable in the same ways as self hatred. Real gender dysphoria isn't something people get over by just loving themselves. It can be explained to somebody who doesn't feel it as a pervasive drive to look like and express one's self as the opposite gender. This may take the forms of body dysmorphia around ones primary and secondary sexual characteristics. It may take the forms of panic and distress at being called by ones gender assigned at birth and related pronouns. It isn't just self hatred. If you think it is than you have no more business having an opinion on the subject matter than a person who ascribes depression to be the equivalent of just being sad. They are two very different things Wich can on the surface level just look like each other to a lay person but must be treated quite differently in both cases.
@@cjk8249 because being trans and self hatred are no more the same thing than being depressed and being sad are the same thing. In both cases the mental health problems need to be treated much differently than each other. You wouldn't prescribe antidepressants for a person just being sad... You would help them get over it. And not all depressed people even need antidepressants to manage their symptoms. But some people need to be on antidepressants for their entire lives to function. I think that is the analogy I would give for being trans.
We have been going through this with our biological daughter, up until age 13 she was the typical girl, barbie dolls girly stuff all the usual things, then in 2019 after telling us she didn’t like her body she shortened her name to a still feminine name, then, unknown to us a little while later she changed her name to a boy’s name at school at age 14, the school never informed us (which still infuriates me to this day) and this caused her lots of issues at school and at home as we were still using her original shortened female name, she self-harmed very badly, we went through all the local mental health services, which for us seemed a waste of time as she never stopped self-harming, once 16 she legally changed her name without initially telling us, we continually pleaded with her to open up and talk with us about things but she would only open up to her doctors and mental health people, we did manage to have her assessed for autism at our own expense, this came back as a positive diagnosis, she was all on board for getting the assessment btw. We noticed this year (age 16) she was getting hair on her top lip, asked her about it, she wouldn’t tell us anything, eventually it was too obvious to deny, and she told us she's been to the doctor for male hormones, to our dismay they had actual given them to her, we wrote to the doctors explaining the history of self-harm and the autism diagnosis but got the usual “we can’t talk about it as she’s 16” reply, this was just after the cass report came out, we now know she’s planning to go to Madrid for a mastectomy when she’s 18 that’s about a year away now, as a dad I’m totally devastated about the whole situation and ask myself if I have done anything wrong, she’s always been loved and well looked after had a completely normal upbringing, lived in a nice area, and never wanted for anything, and never spoilt, she’s a beautiful person, caring funny friendly to anyone, but something somehow has made her believe the only way she can be happy is changing her body, and all I can do is pray that within the next year she changes her mind.
@@ShowMustG how so very sad my heart breaks with you ...there is no hole that will ever fill the pain of this kind ...but you must try to stay strong .....there are thousands of parents in the same boat ...reach out xx
It was NOT dispelled, these people are LYING to you to push their BIGOTRY, here is some TRUTH for you, After the UK band transition care to youths the suicide rate went UP, 14 kids DIED because of it, NEEDLESSLY, 14. Now these people will NOT tell you that. This FACT was purposely left out of the cass review, they will NOT tell you that either, or that the cass review was totally and completely debunked they keep referring to it as if it was not, they will even tell you that it was not but that is just another one of their lies. I know 14 does not sound like a big number but what if one of these kids was yours?
No need to apologize for your tears. You have seen and felt the pain of those of us who have lost children to therapeutic models where we were excluded. Thankfully, mine came back and we rebuilding our once-close relationship.
No ma'am. We won't have to deal with the aftermaths. We stop kids from doing something they can't comprehend in the first place. If they keep on it when they become adults, then you as a therapist don't have nothing to do with it, it will be the place of another type of professional. I can't accept that you consider to allow a minor to transition as one of the scenarios, it's a hard NO from me.
She was saying sometimes your child grows up and can do something outside of your control, and in that case you have to find a way to deal that doesn't end your mental health and destroy the relationship with your adult child. It wasn't an endorsement or recommendation of the adult child's decision.
So you fully accept non-passing trans adults, especially trans women, which you banned from transition when they were minors and still had that perfect passing opportunity? If not, you better should stfu with such opinions.
@@miriamlana833 Males remain male no matter how they "identify". Rights and protections, segregated spaces, are based on sex/physical reality, not how people subjectively identify.
I was trans MTF at age 11 there was no options for anything for an 11-year-old kid in 1987 even if parents supported it. Social media is part of the problem now days, people want to seem hip and or cool being trans or to do it for a living / for attention etc. My journey took me 36 years later after coming out to be done with my transition and yes taking my life was 100% on the table If I did not complete this. Now, post Transnation I could not be happier at age 47.
I appreciate genspect, but modern psychology needs to deal with its role in creating this mess. Paychology and paychiatry as currently practiced are worse than a failure but have actually produced great harm. I think the secular humanist blank slate anthropology has clearly produced disasterous results. The literature is interesting, but the practice should be shuttered and the christian social order that was actually sucessful for a couple of thousand years in generating and not degenerating civilization should be restored
The "christian social order" can go fuck itself and remain the miserable failure of history that it is. That bullshit has nothing to do with this topic, and I have no idea what compelled you to bring it up.
Thanks. I find all of these practitioners at Genspect do not admit the peers in their field have being doing sexual lobotomies. They are all so afraid to be political. Gender dysphoria is a mind/body disconnect and the approach will only be effective if there's a physical exercise and mind/body practice in the therapy.
@Ashakat42 modern man is a baseless, motivated conjecture that has failed in practice. The anthropology that built our civilization is obviously superior the one that has it disintegrating. Remember when we knew we had souls and that there is a natural order and we didn't have a mental health crisis for the better part of two thousand years...
I loved the bit about how when you affirm a child's stated gender dysphoria what you are actually affirming is their self hatred! The mark of a good therapist is being able to see what lies beneath the surface and that is why Sue Evans is so great!
No... Not really... There is gender euphoria as well which is experienced by trans people when expressing their internal sense of gender.
It's a hell of a lot easier to work with that then against that.
@@bh24x What is an internal sense of gender? How does that even work?
@@bh24x How is rejecting who you actually are, rejecting yourself not a type of self hatred? Rejection without hatred, or at the very least dislike, maybe so.
@@cjk8249 it isn't treatable in the same ways as self hatred. Real gender dysphoria isn't something people get over by just loving themselves. It can be explained to somebody who doesn't feel it as a pervasive drive to look like and express one's self as the opposite gender. This may take the forms of body dysmorphia around ones primary and secondary sexual characteristics.
It may take the forms of panic and distress at being called by ones gender assigned at birth and related pronouns.
It isn't just self hatred. If you think it is than you have no more business having an opinion on the subject matter than a person who ascribes depression to be the equivalent of just being sad.
They are two very different things Wich can on the surface level just look like each other to a lay person but must be treated quite differently in both cases.
@@cjk8249 because being trans and self hatred are no more the same thing than being depressed and being sad are the same thing.
In both cases the mental health problems need to be treated much differently than each other.
You wouldn't prescribe antidepressants for a person just being sad... You would help them get over it. And not all depressed people even need antidepressants to manage their symptoms.
But some people need to be on antidepressants for their entire lives to function.
I think that is the analogy I would give for being trans.
We have been going through this with our biological daughter, up until age 13 she was the typical girl, barbie dolls girly stuff all the usual things, then in 2019 after telling us she didn’t like her body she shortened her name to a still feminine name, then, unknown to us a little while later she changed her name to a boy’s name at school at age 14, the school never informed us (which still infuriates me to this day) and this caused her lots of issues at school and at home as we were still using her original shortened female name, she self-harmed very badly, we went through all the local mental health services, which for us seemed a waste of time as she never stopped self-harming, once 16 she legally changed her name without initially telling us, we continually pleaded with her to open up and talk with us about things but she would only open up to her doctors and mental health people, we did manage to have her assessed for autism at our own expense, this came back as a positive diagnosis, she was all on board for getting the assessment btw.
We noticed this year (age 16) she was getting hair on her top lip, asked her about it, she wouldn’t tell us anything, eventually it was too obvious to deny, and she told us she's been to the doctor for male hormones, to our dismay they had actual given them to her, we wrote to the doctors explaining the history of self-harm and the autism diagnosis but got the usual “we can’t talk about it as she’s 16” reply, this was just after the cass report came out, we now know she’s planning to go to Madrid for a mastectomy when she’s 18 that’s about a year away now, as a dad I’m totally devastated about the whole situation and ask myself if I have done anything wrong, she’s always been loved and well looked after had a completely normal upbringing, lived in a nice area, and never wanted for anything, and never spoilt, she’s a beautiful person, caring funny friendly to anyone, but something somehow has made her believe the only way she can be happy is changing her body, and all I can do is pray that within the next year she changes her mind.
@@ShowMustG how so very sad my heart breaks with you ...there is no hole that will ever fill the pain of this kind ...but you must try to stay strong .....there are thousands of parents in the same boat ...reach out xx
Is she Spanish? I live in Spain, is there anything that could be done by grown adult males showing that they are entirely different from her?
The problem with the dispelling of the suicide myth is the word about that is still suppressed and not widespread. 😢
It was NOT dispelled, these people are LYING to you to push their BIGOTRY, here is some TRUTH for you, After the UK band transition care to youths the suicide rate went UP, 14 kids DIED because of it, NEEDLESSLY, 14. Now these people will NOT tell you that. This FACT was purposely left out of the cass review, they will NOT tell you that either, or that the cass review was totally and completely debunked they keep referring to it as if it was not, they will even tell you that it was not but that is just another one of their lies. I know 14 does not sound like a big number but what if one of these kids was yours?
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You certainly won’t hear about it from the BBC or The Guardian
@@krisjontabisola197 but the suicides aren't a myth... It's just that tracking real suicides and reasoning can be difficult in studies.
No need to apologize for your tears. You have seen and felt the pain of those of us who have lost children to therapeutic models where we were excluded. Thankfully, mine came back and we rebuilding our once-close relationship.
Wonderful compassionate woman - thank you
No ma'am. We won't have to deal with the aftermaths. We stop kids from doing something they can't comprehend in the first place. If they keep on it when they become adults, then you as a therapist don't have nothing to do with it, it will be the place of another type of professional. I can't accept that you consider to allow a minor to transition as one of the scenarios, it's a hard NO from me.
She was saying sometimes your child grows up and can do something outside of your control, and in that case you have to find a way to deal that doesn't end your mental health and destroy the relationship with your adult child. It wasn't an endorsement or recommendation of the adult child's decision.
24:55 "I cannot emphasize enough how much I disagree...".
So you fully accept non-passing trans adults, especially trans women, which you banned from transition when they were minors and still had that perfect passing opportunity? If not, you better should stfu with such opinions.
@@miriamlana833 Males remain male no matter how they "identify". Rights and protections, segregated spaces, are based on sex/physical reality, not how people subjectively identify.
I was trans MTF at age 11 there was no options for anything for an 11-year-old kid in 1987 even if parents supported it. Social media is part of the problem now days, people want to seem hip and or cool being trans or to do it for a living / for attention etc. My journey took me 36 years later after coming out to be done with my transition and yes taking my life was 100% on the table If I did not complete this. Now, post Transnation I could not be happier at age 47.
Suicide is not pre translation, it's post. That's what parents are angry and grieving about.
There's no self deletion. Not getting affirmed, does not result in self deletion. Plain enough.
It can also be pre transition as well, and self harm is very much a problem with people who suffer from dysphoria
I appreciate genspect, but modern psychology needs to deal with its role in creating this mess. Paychology and paychiatry as currently practiced are worse than a failure but have actually produced great harm. I think the secular humanist blank slate anthropology has clearly produced disasterous results. The literature is interesting, but the practice should be shuttered and the christian social order that was actually sucessful for a couple of thousand years in generating and not degenerating civilization should be restored
The "christian social order" can go fuck itself and remain the miserable failure of history that it is. That bullshit has nothing to do with this topic, and I have no idea what compelled you to bring it up.
Thanks. I find all of these practitioners at Genspect do not admit the peers in their field have being doing sexual lobotomies. They are all so afraid to be political. Gender dysphoria is a mind/body disconnect and the approach will only be effective if there's a physical exercise and mind/body practice in the therapy.
If you think Christianity generated a superior civilization to say, example, the Romans, you are quite uninformed.
That was a whole lot of conjecture.
@Ashakat42 modern man is a baseless, motivated conjecture that has failed in practice. The anthropology that built our civilization is obviously superior the one that has it disintegrating. Remember when we knew we had souls and that there is a natural order and we didn't have a mental health crisis for the better part of two thousand years...
It's paycheck requires it to misinform. Dirty thing.
It’s crazy, I can tell you’re a homosexual pervo just by your two sentences
@ryanthomas9306 Sorry what?
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