Hi Thank you so much for your wonderful book binding tutorials, I have never made a book before, with your help have printed, stitched and bound two wonderful books. This has been a fabulous experience during all these weeks of lock down due to coronavirus, you are a very talented generous person to share your skills so freely, a fab teacher as I found I could follow your instructions. Can’t thank you enough. not only have i learnt wonderful skills I have enjoyed being at home. Hope you keep safe. Thank you again.
Hi Sage, thanks for the instructions, very helpful. Can you please tell me about the methylcellulose, is it the same as wallpaper paste or at least the cellulose paste sold as paper mache adhesive? Methylcellulose is described as archival, can you give me any hints on how to research why it has archival attributes. Sorry to pester and thanks for the video and your time.
Please watch it again, there is paper on one side of the silk. The work takes place on the back side of the silk so that you will be able to use the silk as the cover material, which is what we are making here. Thanks for watching.
Please notice my methyl cellulose in the video. I mix it 1 eighth of a cup of MC powder to 1 cup of water, let it rest for about 15 minutes. I tell you that 24 seconds into the video. You mixed a recipe for repairing tears in pages. It was not meant to stick in this paper backing application. I buy MC from Talas on line or New York Central Art supply. Thanks for watching and you will be more successful with the thicker mixture.
Thank you for sharing! I have Thai Mulberry in my paper stash for printmaking, so now the silk...I love the use of the boards and your production line....it would be great to have so much ready. Thank you again.
Hi Sage, what can I say but thank you so very, very much for all your videos. you have helped me immensely with my little projects. Thank you for sharing your talent.CheersLynn
Absolutely wonderful tutorial. I would like to make this to paint on to the silk - like Chinese silk wallpaper. Do you think this method would be good? Not sure what type of silk to use but I’ll experiment. Thanks!
Why doesn't the silk get glued to your board during the gluing phase? It is because your paste is so thick. I want to try to make book cloth from a recycled silk kimono and the weave isn't too gauzy or open but I'd worry that pushing the paste through the silk would glue it to your board? Thanks for the tutorial as it was exactly what I was looking for.
Hi again, sorry I pestered you with queries, I have found papers on the qualities of the cellulose pastes. Many thanks for your time and thanks again for the instructive video.
Hey Sage, great video! I have a question for you, that I didn't see in the comments below. This might be a good opportunity to make a mini "Q&A", so I'll just ask all the questions: 1. What type of paper do you use, and what it's GSM? 2. What type of glue do you use? 3. What fabric do you use? Thanks a lot :)
+itai shemer #3 is answered in the title. #2 is in many comments, the adhesive is Methyl Cellulose ( MC) which is commonly sold as vinyl wallpaper paste. #1 is both in the video and in an answer below too, Thai Mulberry which, being an oriental paper isn't sold with a GSM which is Grams per Square Meter (weight/thickness). Thanks for watching.
Wow! Thank you Sage, you make it look so easy! I have been trying to find a way to use silk - last time every glue I used just soaked through and soiled the fabric. I will try this. Thanks for sharing. Great video.
I have answered this question a number of times in response to other comments.The new google-YT seems to have deleted my responses. I am using Methyl Cellulose, you may be able to buy it as vinyl wallpaper paste. Please watch the video again, you will hear me tell how to mix it. 1/8 cup dry MC to 1 cup of water. Let it stand for 15 minutes. If your fabric is heavy weight, denim, linen you need only size the fabric and let it dry, then glue the boards (roller) instead of the fabric to apply.
Thanks for watching, it always surprises me at how far away some of you are and that you are interested in/practicing binding. and thanks for the note.
You are very welcome. My parents while they were college students have collected more than 1,200 books of which many from the 19th century. I, too as a student have collected around 1,400 volumes, and many of the volumes I saved from trash. The shape of the book and its structure were always a fascinating thing for me even when I was a child. I have now begun to bind myself and any good advice that I can find on the net for me is precious, so thanks again :D
Sage, thank you very much for sharing this video :))) I have to figure out how to find this metyl glue here and can't wait to try your method! Thank you!
Talas online has a lot of paper backed fabrics but I don't think they are silk. Some cottons and linens, the Asahi fabrics can look like silk but they are probably synthetics, and may have too much texture for your work. These fabrics are for bookbinding and box making. I don't think you will find paper backed silk in the general marketplace. However, you might look in the interior decorating world. There are many interesting wall papers available, grass cloth , metallics, etc. You just might find genuine silk there. If you need something specific, it's best that you make it yourself. Thanks for watching.
Hola Sage: Muchas gracias por tus Excelentes tutoriales. Seguí tus indicaciones para endurecer tela con MC y me resultó muy bien. Gracias nuevamente. Saludos desre Rosario, Argentina. Jorge Alberto Fiocchi Bruera
What glue are you using? I'm not sure if we call it the same thing here in the UK and I have some fabulous fabric that I would love to turn into bookbinding fabric...
Hi Sage, I am looking at making silk book cloth myself, so I purchased Lineco methyl cellulose powder and made my own. Though the paste turned out totally wet, unlike yours and it barely stuck once it was dry (I could rip it right off). The recipe I found was from a blog post entitled "Fix-it Friday : Using Methyl Cellulose in Bookbinding and Book Repair" So if you don't mind me asking.. How is the tackiness of your paste? Where do you get your MC?
Hi Sage! Love your tutorials! Could you tell what kind of paper do you use and what its thickness (like 40g/m2)? What do you think if to use a wall paper glue for glueing? What about PVA glue?
I am using heavy weight Thai Mulberry. It is best to use a paper that is easy to handle and has little grain. a number of 'rice' papers will fit the bill. You can use wall paper paste if it says for vinyl wallpaper. Pastes now are usu8ally a type of methyl cellulose, all Ican say is try and see. I don't know where you are and what your marketplace is like. Check the other comments if you have any more questions for things you may not have thought of yet. Have fun and thanks fr watching.
15! This is the first of you films I am watching but I have to watch more to see what you do with so many potential covers. Clear directions, thank you for NO music. Gotta find some vinyl wallpaper paste or some substitute for the one book cover I hope to do.
@@Ceropegia Muchas gracias por responder!!! Fue todo un hallazgo poder encontrar este tutorial!! Una joya absolutamente!! Muchas gracias por tu generosidad en difundir tu conocimiento y la deferencia en responder, muy gentil de tu parte. Bendiciones infinitas!!
Sage Reynolds, I have just discovered your videos tonight. Its like a trip to heaven! I love the way you work, your expertise show and the silk paper is beautiful. It seems the MC forms a water proof barrier or do you have to coat the book your made afterwards. I cannot wait for tomorrow to start on some paper and explore more of your videos. I watched the Japanese stab binding and would love to know what the inset piece was going to be. How long does the MC last after making such a thick batch?
Thank you for watching and I hope you will enjoy watching more. The thin silk I use is mostly for boxes and invitations. I wouldn't recommend it for books you intend to use casually or daily. For books I would recommend using heavier silks and thicker more rustic weaves. With the heavier fabrics you can simply MC the back with a scraper and let it dry. the MC fills the weave and when you apply it to the boards or box , just apply the adhesive to the boards like i do in the box making videos. You may want to iron the silk before you cover as the MC will shrink and might make the fabric a bit wrinkley. I have done that with denim, heavy cottons and linen which was used on books and portfolios. The MC will last, in a closed container in the refrigerator about two weeks or so. when you see loose MC in rte container its time to make new. The MC does not form a water proof barrier on the outside of the fabric, most of these books are Special Books, that is to say they are not carried around like sketch books or journals; they would be albums, or things commemorating a special event or anniversary. However, if you are using heavy weight cotton or linen they should be perfectly durable for more intense use. There are many commercial paper backed silk like fabrics available from Talas on line for general use books. Thank you again for watching and have fun with your paper adventures.
If you are doing a wall collage it might work as pieces. However, having covered walls in the past, I would say this is NOT appropriate material for that use. When you do the final wash/rubdown on a wall, the surface would be destroyed. The silk walls I know of were usually 'quilted' in place over a thin layer of padding. No paper backing required. I would look into that method for covering a wall, It will make the room quieter too.
Thanks for sharing this. I'm currently working with some thin cotton fabric to make into book cloth. I've used PVA adhesive with thicker fabrics, like linen, but I'm having trouble with it either not adhering or seeping through this fabric. Do you think your technique using methyl cellulose would help with this?
+DHuurman Scan through the comments below. You will see similar situations to yours. You can use the Methyl Cellulose with cotton and in some cases you can simply size the fabric with MC, let it dry, iron if necessary and then apply it to glued boards. It all depends on the tightness of the weave of the cotton fabric. Thanks for watching!
I use the heavier weight Thai mulberry. if you have access to Moriki which I used to use before it became so expensive, any good oriental paper of that weight should be usable. good luck.
I've had trouble with adhesives bleeding through on silk. Is that a concern with this method? I would really love to find a method for making silk into bookcloth.
Hi Sage, I have just started on my 'learn bookbinding' road and stumbled across your most excellent channel. Instructions are clear, concise and easy to understand, even for a newbie like me. Just a quick query. Would you be able to provide the grammage or gsm of the fabric backing paper that you use in this video. I see that you mention 'heavyweight' but not really sure what grammage that would refer to. Many thx!
Hi Matt, Thanks for watching. Just read some of the comments below this one and you will get your answer. Medium and heavy weight oriental papers will work, it's a matter of cost and availability. Those papers don't generally have a gram weight.
I find this video very informative. I do several surface design techniques on fabric and have wanted to incorporate in a book. I am looking at the yellow tool you use for spreading the methyl cellulose out evenly and wondering what it is called. I am not finding anything like that in a bookbinding supply or art supply store. But I aslo don't know what to call it. I am thinking it probably is not unique to bookbinding. Can you help me on that.
I got those spreaders in the printmaking department of New York Central Supply,that store has closed but you can find them in auto supply places as they come in sets of three for body work. I've seen red spreaders there. I also used then to cut combs for paste paper making and have a LOT of drawing tools. Here's a link tcpglobal.com/collections/body-filler-tools Good luck and thanks for watching.
@@Ceropegia Thank you. That is not a place I would have looked. I was trying to find a dough scraper that could work and most are metal. These are much better!
For wall paper I would think that they have a system for doing this on rolls with tension and heated pressure rollers. It would be difficult to do wall paper length rolls like this. Thanks for watching.
Hi Sage, great video. Had a question about materials. Is the binder's board the preferred method, could you also use something like a laminate sheet or fiberglass reinforced plastic sheet to prevent curling? Also, if not using silk, I'm using cotton linen fabric, like quilting fabric, is there any issue with the MC seeping through too much? Thanks, Ryan.
Hi Ryan, I use the binder's board because I know the MC will stick to it. Laminates and fiberglass may not work reliably and they are expensive compared to the binder's board which can be reused again and again. as for the cotton linen blend if you are binding or covering with it you may have only to Squee Gee the MC on to the back and let it dry. I will contract a little but that can be ironed out. Then, when you cover the boards/box, glue out the the item (with a Roller) to be covered and apply the sized fabric. I have done that with raw silks and denims, if your fabric has a loose weave it will be better to paper back the fabric. The best thing to do is test the fabric with a 12" or 30cm square, do it twice and anything that can happen probably will with the test pieces. If the MC does come through the fabric you could adhere a sheet of acetate or mylar to the board (slightly smaller than the fabric) leaving the edges free to let the paper and MC adhere there. good luck and thanks for watching. (You might want to look at the glue and roller basics if you haven't already.)
@@Ceropegia Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I've been using the Lineco PVA, I'm not sure if it's just my area in the high desert of California mountains, but it tends to dry way too fast to even apply the paper onto the fabric. Often times I have to lightly sponge it to rewet or apply it in half sections which leads to issues. So switching to the MC, I'm curious if that will allow me more time to work. What thickness binder board do you normally work with?
Hey Sage, glad to have found your channel, can I just ask how come the glue doesn't go through the silk when you're applying it? Is that to do with the thickness of the glue or the silk itself? Thanks in advance.
+TeZela The MC is very thick and the cloth is tightly woven. If the MC isn't mixed well and has water on the surface it might let dampness through but it will not show when it dries. Thanks for Watching!
Hi Sage, You lightly touched on something early in the film, but didn't go into much detail about it. I'm not really sure it matters with Silk, but for other cloths I'm sure it would have some bearing. Anyway, the stretching direction of cloth (weft) and the non stretchy direction (warp)... Does it matter which direction the cloth is, relative to the grain direction of the paper? Many thanks, and Excellent videos!!!
MCSEknight I mentioned the warp and weft because the cloth sometimes stretches as you squeegee the MC on to it so you would be aware of the cloth moving in one direction while you work. The oriental paper has no grain so it doesn't matter. Just a process/working awareness is to make it easier while you are spreading the MC. Thanks for watching.
It is to make the silk impervious to staining adhesives when it is used as a cover material for books and boxes. It also gives the fabric strength for things like lampshades. Thanks for watching!
You probably can use this for a lampshade. If the shade is large I would mount this on a sturdier paper OR use the sturdier paper when you make the lamination. You should test first if you are using a paper with unknown qualities about 1 foot square should give you an idea of how it adheres and bends to make a shade. Gopod luck, thanks for watching.
Please read through the comments, as for other papers I would try artist quality, light weight paper if you can't find the oriental papers I am using. Do a small test (30-40cm) before laying out a whole sheet, that way you can see the stretch and see what the drying time is like. Thanks for watching.
Hi. Many many thanks for this 1 question; what weight/thickness is the Thai mulberry paper is it tissue thin or? I've seen different ones around so please say which you used. Nick
Hey Sage, I noticed below in the comments you said you get your supplies at Talas and New York Central Art Supplies. New York Central was my Go-to but unfortunately they closed down this year. Do you mainly use Talas now or did you happen to find an alternative supply store?
+redmoon4eva I was at New York Central two days ago, they have not closed down, just sold the warehouse. Renovations of the original store are under way and you can still get what you need from the store. You may have to call ahead as the space is smaller. My work has moved almost entirely from paper to metal and my suppliers now are on 47th street for a different range of materials. However, when I need paint, gouache and paper I still go to New York Central. Many of the art suppliers in NYC have gone, Pearl Paint, the Utrecht on B'way near the Strand and a few other small dealers have gone, but Central is still there. I've never found an alternative to that store that has met my needs for about 40 years. Give them a call. Thanks for watching.
+Fredrik Lloyd the adhesive is, in this case, a starch, Methyl Cellulose, the mix and other information is described in comments below. Thanks for watching!
I am little confused. There is paper under and on top of the silk? Did I miss something? I am a novice so maybe I am misunderstanding something. Thanks, Ann
I've had the roller since I was a printmaking major in College, more than 40 years. You should be able to find one where professional printmaking tools are sold. I checked prices about a year ago and was shocked at how much it costs now for a similar item. However, it is worth the price if you are doing a lot of binding , especially for case making. It takes a lot of the labor out of 'rubbing down' book cloth, also for laminating paper and cloth and, of course, paper backing silks. Thanks for watching.
In this video I am using Thai Mulberry heavyweight, you can use most medium to heavyweight oriental paper. I used to use Mingei but that paper has become too expensive. Paper like Hosho should work as well, Look to see what is available to you both for usability and cost. Thanks for watching.
if you read the other comments you will see that I have said it is Thai mulberry paper, heavy weight, there is no GSM. Sorry it seems unclear in the video. You can use most smooth, oriental or 'rice' papers as long as they have no texture that will show up on drying. I have used moriki but that has become too expensive. The mulberry is a good paper to use and not too expensive. Good luck and thanks for watching.
I have answered this question a number of times in response to other comments.The new google-YT seems to have deleted my responses. I am using Methyl Cellulose, you may be able to buy it as vinyl wallpaper paste. Please watch the video again, you will hear me tell how to mix it. 1/8 cup dry MC to 1 cup of water. Let it stand for 15 minutes. If your fabric is heavy weight, denim, linen you need only size the fabric and let it dry, then glue the boards (roller) instead of the fabric to apply.
Hi Thank you so much for your wonderful book binding tutorials, I have never made a book before, with your help have printed, stitched and bound two wonderful books. This has been a fabulous experience during all these weeks of lock down due to coronavirus, you are a very talented generous person to share your skills so freely, a fab teacher as I found I could follow your instructions. Can’t thank you enough. not only have i learnt wonderful skills I have enjoyed being at home. Hope you keep safe. Thank you again.
That's very nice to hear/read. Glad to have helped you. Thanks for your well wishes and for watching.
Hi Sage, thanks for the instructions, very helpful. Can you please tell me about the methylcellulose, is it the same as wallpaper paste or at least the cellulose paste sold as paper mache adhesive? Methylcellulose is described as archival, can you give me any hints on how to research why it has archival attributes.
Sorry to pester and thanks for the video and your time.
Please watch it again, there is paper on one side of the silk. The work takes place on the back side of the silk so that you will be able to use the silk as the cover material, which is what we are making here.
Thanks for watching.
Please notice my methyl cellulose in the video. I mix it 1 eighth of a cup of MC powder to 1 cup of water, let it rest for about 15 minutes. I tell you that 24 seconds into the video. You mixed a recipe for repairing tears in pages. It was not meant to stick in this paper backing application. I buy MC from Talas on line or New York Central Art supply.
Thanks for watching and you will be more successful with the thicker mixture.
I know it's kinda off topic but do anybody know a good place to watch new series online ?
@Luis Zain i would suggest flixzone. You can find it by googling =)
@Randy Maverick Yup, I have been using FlixZone for months myself :D
@Randy Maverick Thank you, I went there and it seems like a nice service =) Appreciate it!
@Luis Zain Happy to help xD
I am using Thai Mulberry heavyweight.
You can use any good oriental paper I used to use Moriki but that got too expansive.
Thanks for watching!
Sage Reynolds good to know!
I have japenese paper one side is shiny the other rough do i glue with the rough side I'm assuming????
Thank you for sharing! I have Thai Mulberry in my paper stash for printmaking, so now the silk...I love the use of the boards and your production line....it would be great to have so much ready. Thank you again.
Your tutorials are really fantastic, so I rewatch them from time to time !!! Thanks for sharing and Happy New Year 2022 🙂
Thank you and Happy New Year to you too.
That was awesome. You did a great job. The silk looked perfect. Thank you!
Hi Sage, what can I say but thank you so very, very much for all your videos. you have helped me immensely with my little projects. Thank you for sharing your talent.CheersLynn
Your videos are the best. Thank you so so so much for taking the time and patience to make them and thank again for sharing them.
Absolutely wonderful tutorial. I would like to make this to paint on to the silk - like Chinese silk wallpaper. Do you think this method would be good? Not sure what type of silk to use but I’ll experiment. Thanks!
i have the same question
Why doesn't the silk get glued to your board during the gluing phase? It is because your paste is so thick. I want to try to make book cloth from a recycled silk kimono and the weave isn't too gauzy or open but I'd worry that pushing the paste through the silk would glue it to your board? Thanks for the tutorial as it was exactly what I was looking for.
Hi again, sorry I pestered you with queries, I have found papers on the qualities of the cellulose pastes. Many thanks for your time and thanks again for the instructive video.
Muy agradecida de encontrar sus videos en TH-cam! Muchas gracias por compartir su saber. Soy Nadia de Venado Tuerto, Santa Fe, Argentina.
Gracias y bienvenido a mi canal. Hay mucho que ver y hacer aquí.
Hey Sage, great video! I have a question for you, that I didn't see in the comments below. This might be a good opportunity to make a mini "Q&A", so I'll just ask all the questions:
1. What type of paper do you use, and what it's GSM?
2. What type of glue do you use?
3. What fabric do you use?
Thanks a lot :)
+itai shemer #3 is answered in the title. #2 is in many comments, the adhesive is Methyl Cellulose ( MC) which is commonly sold as vinyl wallpaper paste. #1 is both in the video and in an answer below too, Thai Mulberry which, being an oriental paper isn't sold with a GSM which is Grams per Square Meter (weight/thickness). Thanks for watching.
Fantastic! Thank you very much :)
Sage Reynolds do you purchase you material from here in the USA or ordered from online? Please share your source if you please 😊❣️
Wow! Thank you Sage, you make it look so easy! I have been trying to find a way to use silk - last time every glue I used just soaked through and soiled the fabric. I will try this. Thanks for sharing. Great video.
+Sandie Cottee Be sure you mix the MC correctly, it will make your life easier... Thanks for watching!
Gracias a vos por la generosidad de compartir tan importante material.
Saludos!
What a mastery of the technique!
That was rewarding to watch. Thank you.
Thank you for this. Really clear and informative.
Thanks for watching!
I have answered this question a number of times in response to other comments.The new google-YT seems to have deleted my responses. I am using Methyl Cellulose, you may be able to buy it as vinyl wallpaper paste. Please watch the video again, you will hear me tell how to mix it. 1/8 cup dry MC to 1 cup of water. Let it stand for 15 minutes. If your fabric is heavy weight, denim, linen you need only size the fabric and let it dry, then glue the boards (roller) instead of the fabric to apply.
You're welcome, Thanks for watching.
Thank you very much for the demonstration and for sharing your knowledge. Greetings from Croatia
Thanks for watching, it always surprises me at how far away some of you are and that you are interested in/practicing binding. and thanks for the note.
You are very welcome. My parents while they were college students have collected more than 1,200 books of which many from the 19th century. I, too as a student have collected around 1,400 volumes, and
many of the volumes I saved from trash. The shape of the book and its structure were always a fascinating thing for me even when I was a child. I have now begun to bind myself and any good advice that I can find on the net for me is precious, so thanks again :D
Sage, thank you very much for sharing this video :))) I have to figure out how to find this metyl glue here and can't wait to try your method! Thank you!
I have been looking for this information for quite a long time. Wish I had found your channel earlier :)
Ritabrata Mukherjee Glad this helped you, Thanks for watching!
WOW WOW beautiful!!
Hi thank you for showing this demo. is there anywhere i can buy paper backed silk for my painting projects. thanks
Talas online has a lot of paper backed fabrics but I don't think they are silk. Some cottons and linens, the Asahi fabrics can look like silk but they are probably synthetics, and may have too much texture for your work. These fabrics are for bookbinding and box making. I don't think you will find paper backed silk in the general marketplace. However, you might look in the interior decorating world. There are many interesting wall papers available, grass cloth , metallics, etc. You just might find genuine silk there. If you need something specific, it's best that you make it yourself. Thanks for watching.
I absolutely love your videos - thanks so much for posting.
Hola Sage:
Muchas gracias por tus Excelentes tutoriales.
Seguí tus indicaciones para endurecer tela con MC y me resultó muy bien.
Gracias nuevamente.
Saludos desre Rosario, Argentina.
Jorge Alberto Fiocchi Bruera
Gracias y gracias por mirar, ¡diviértase!
What glue are you using? I'm not sure if we call it the same thing here in the UK and I have some fabulous fabric that I would love to turn into bookbinding fabric...
Hi Sage,
I am looking at making silk book cloth myself, so I purchased Lineco methyl cellulose powder and made my own. Though the paste turned out totally wet, unlike yours and it barely stuck once it was dry (I could rip it right off).
The recipe I found was from a blog post entitled "Fix-it Friday : Using Methyl Cellulose in Bookbinding and Book Repair"
So if you don't mind me asking..
How is the tackiness of your paste? Where do you get your MC?
Hi Sage!
Love your tutorials! Could you tell what kind of paper do you use and what its thickness (like 40g/m2)? What do you think if to use a wall paper glue for glueing? What about PVA glue?
I am using heavy weight Thai Mulberry. It is best to use a paper that is easy to handle and has little grain. a number of 'rice' papers will fit the bill.
You can use wall paper paste if it says for vinyl wallpaper. Pastes now are usu8ally a type of methyl cellulose, all Ican say is try and see.
I don't know where you are and what your marketplace is like. Check the other comments if you have any more questions for things you may not have thought of yet. Have fun and thanks fr watching.
15! This is the first of you films I am watching but I have to watch more to see what you do with so many potential covers. Clear directions, thank you for NO music. Gotta find some vinyl wallpaper paste or some substitute for the one book cover I hope to do.
Gracis por enseñarnos tanto con tanta sencilles...DIOS lo bendiga siempre..
Excelente!! Qué adhesivo o pegamento utiliza? Saludos desde 🇦🇷🙋🏽♀️🍀
Es metilcelulosa que a veces se vende como pasta de papel tapiz de vinilo. Diviértete y gracias por mirar!
@@Ceropegia Muchas gracias por responder!!! Fue todo un hallazgo poder encontrar este tutorial!! Una joya absolutamente!! Muchas gracias por tu generosidad en difundir tu conocimiento y la deferencia en responder, muy gentil de tu parte. Bendiciones infinitas!!
Sage Reynolds, I have just discovered your videos tonight. Its like a trip to heaven! I love the way you work, your expertise show and the silk paper is beautiful. It seems the MC forms a water proof barrier or do you have to coat the book your made afterwards. I cannot wait for tomorrow to start on some paper and explore more of your videos. I watched the Japanese stab binding and would love to know what the inset piece was going to be. How long does the MC last after making such a thick batch?
Thank you for watching and I hope you will enjoy watching more. The thin silk I use is mostly for boxes and invitations. I wouldn't recommend it for books you intend to use casually or daily. For books I would recommend using heavier silks and thicker more rustic weaves. With the heavier fabrics you can simply MC the back with a scraper and let it dry. the MC fills the weave and when you apply it to the boards or box , just apply the adhesive to the boards like i do in the box making videos. You may want to iron the silk before you cover as the MC will shrink and might make the fabric a bit wrinkley. I have done that with denim, heavy cottons and linen which was used on books and portfolios. The MC will last, in a closed container in the refrigerator about two weeks or so. when you see loose MC in rte container its time to make new. The MC does not form a water proof barrier on the outside of the fabric, most of these books are Special Books, that is to say they are not carried around like sketch books or journals; they would be albums, or things commemorating a special event or anniversary. However, if you are using heavy weight cotton or linen they should be perfectly durable for more intense use. There are many commercial paper backed silk like fabrics available from Talas on line for general use books. Thank you again for watching and have fun with your paper adventures.
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If you are doing a wall collage it might work as pieces. However, having covered walls in the past, I would say this is NOT appropriate material for that use. When you do the final wash/rubdown on a wall, the surface would be destroyed. The silk walls I know of were usually 'quilted' in place over a thin layer of padding. No paper backing required. I would look into that method for covering a wall, It will make the room quieter too.
Thanks for sharing this. I'm currently working with some thin cotton fabric to make into book cloth. I've used PVA adhesive with thicker fabrics, like linen, but I'm having trouble with it either not adhering or seeping through this fabric. Do you think your technique using methyl cellulose would help with this?
+DHuurman Scan through the comments below. You will see similar situations to yours.
You can use the Methyl Cellulose with cotton and in some cases you can simply size the fabric with MC, let it
dry, iron if necessary and then apply it to glued boards. It all depends on the tightness of the weave of the cotton fabric. Thanks for watching!
I use the heavier weight Thai mulberry. if you have access to Moriki which I used to use before it became so expensive, any good oriental paper of that weight should be usable.
good luck.
I've had trouble with adhesives bleeding through on silk. Is that a concern with this method? I would really love to find a method for making silk into bookcloth.
Gorgeous Ideas! Gracias.
Hi Sage,
I have just started on my 'learn bookbinding' road and stumbled across your most excellent channel. Instructions are clear, concise and easy to understand, even for a newbie like me. Just a quick query. Would you be able to provide the grammage or gsm of the fabric backing paper that you use in this video. I see that you mention 'heavyweight' but not really sure what grammage that would refer to. Many thx!
Hi Matt, Thanks for watching. Just read some of the comments below this one and you will get your answer. Medium and heavy weight oriental papers will work, it's a matter of cost and availability. Those papers don't generally have a gram weight.
I find this video very informative. I do several surface design techniques on fabric and have wanted to incorporate in a book. I am looking at the yellow tool you use for spreading the methyl cellulose out evenly and wondering what it is called. I am not finding anything like that in a bookbinding supply or art supply store. But I aslo don't know what to call it. I am thinking it probably is not unique to bookbinding. Can you help me on that.
I got those spreaders in the printmaking department of New York Central Supply,that store has closed but you can find them in auto supply places as they come in sets of three for body work. I've seen red spreaders there. I also used then to cut combs for paste paper making and have a LOT of drawing tools. Here's a link tcpglobal.com/collections/body-filler-tools Good luck and thanks for watching.
@@Ceropegia Thank you. That is not a place I would have looked. I was trying to find a dough scraper that could work and most are metal. These are much better!
thanks for this !! Do they make sulked back wallpaper like this ? thanks
For wall paper I would think that they have a system for doing this on rolls with tension and heated pressure rollers. It would be difficult to do wall paper length rolls like this. Thanks for watching.
Hi Sage, great video. Had a question about materials. Is the binder's board the preferred method, could you also use something like a laminate sheet or fiberglass reinforced plastic sheet to prevent curling? Also, if not using silk, I'm using cotton linen fabric, like quilting fabric, is there any issue with the MC seeping through too much? Thanks, Ryan.
Hi Ryan,
I use the binder's board because I know the MC will stick to it. Laminates and fiberglass may not work reliably and they are expensive compared to the binder's board which can be reused again and again. as for the cotton linen blend if you are binding or covering with it you may have only to Squee Gee the MC on to the back and let it dry. I will contract a little but that can be ironed out. Then, when you cover the boards/box, glue out the the item (with a Roller) to be covered and apply the sized fabric. I have done that with raw silks and denims, if your fabric has a loose weave it will be better to paper back the fabric. The best thing to do is test the fabric with a 12" or 30cm square, do it twice and anything that can happen probably will with the test pieces. If the MC does come through the fabric you could adhere a sheet of acetate or mylar to the board (slightly smaller than the fabric) leaving the edges free to let the paper and MC adhere there. good luck and thanks for watching. (You might want to look at the glue and roller basics if you haven't already.)
@@Ceropegia Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I've been using the Lineco PVA, I'm not sure if it's just my area in the high desert of California mountains, but it tends to dry way too fast to even apply the paper onto the fabric. Often times I have to lightly sponge it to rewet or apply it in half sections which leads to issues. So switching to the MC, I'm curious if that will allow me more time to work. What thickness binder board do you normally work with?
txs for posting! just perfect!
Hi, do you know if it is good for wall covering? Thanks.
I don't understand your question, do you mean the MC or the finished paper backed silk. What are you trying to do?
@@Ceropegia sorry, the finished paper baked silk. I would like to painted on it. Kind of chinoiserie panels.
Hey Sage, glad to have found your channel, can I just ask how come the glue doesn't go through the silk when you're applying it? Is that to do with the thickness of the glue or the silk itself? Thanks in advance.
+TeZela The MC is very thick and the cloth is tightly woven. If the MC isn't mixed well and has water on the surface it might let dampness through but it will not show when it dries. Thanks for Watching!
hey, thanks for this kind of material, i have one more question, amm.. this kind of glue on which materials would be able to use? anly in fabrics?
Methyl cellulose is generally used only for paper and fabric applications. Thanks for watching.
Hi Sage,
You lightly touched on something early in the film, but didn't go into much detail about it. I'm not really sure it matters with Silk, but for other cloths I'm sure it would have some bearing. Anyway, the stretching direction of cloth (weft) and the non stretchy direction (warp)... Does it matter which direction the cloth is, relative to the grain direction of the paper? Many thanks, and Excellent videos!!!
MCSEknight I mentioned the warp and weft because the cloth sometimes stretches as you squeegee the MC on to it so you would be aware of the cloth moving in one direction while you work. The oriental paper has no grain so it doesn't matter. Just a process/working awareness is to make it easier while you are spreading the MC.
Thanks for watching.
what type of paper is used for backing the silk? i couldnt quite make it out.
Hi Sage,
Thank you for the fantastic videos! Can I use the same method to paper back Satin?
Thank you.
thats very intresting tutorial, and would like to try it sometime, yet i have to ask what is the purpose of this paper backed silk??
It is to make the silk impervious to staining adhesives when it is used as a cover material for books and boxes. It also gives the fabric strength for things like lampshades.
Thanks for watching!
Sage. Thank you. You’re a great teacher! Could this be use for lamp shade as well?
You probably can use this for a lampshade. If the shade is large I would mount this on a sturdier paper OR use the sturdier paper when you make the lamination. You should test first if you are using a paper with unknown qualities about 1 foot square should give you an idea of how it adheres and bends to make a shade. Gopod luck, thanks for watching.
Excuse me, what kind of paper do you use? Is it normal paper? Does any type of paper work? and the glue you use, which one is it? Thank you!
Please read through the comments, as for other papers I would try artist quality, light weight paper if you can't find the oriental papers I am using. Do a small test (30-40cm) before laying out a whole sheet, that way you can see the stretch and see what the drying time is like. Thanks for watching.
Is this silk paper appropriate for wall coverings?
Hi. Many many thanks for this 1 question; what weight/thickness is the Thai mulberry paper
is it tissue thin or? I've seen different ones around so please say which you used. Nick
Hey Sage, I noticed below in the comments you said you get your supplies at Talas and New York Central Art Supplies. New York Central was my Go-to but unfortunately they closed down this year. Do you mainly use Talas now or did you happen to find an alternative supply store?
+redmoon4eva I was at New York Central two days ago, they have not closed down, just sold the warehouse. Renovations of the original store are under way and you can still get what you need from the store. You may have to call ahead as the space is smaller. My work has moved almost entirely from paper to metal and my suppliers now are on 47th street for a different range of materials. However, when I need paint, gouache and paper I still go to New York Central. Many of the art suppliers in NYC have gone, Pearl Paint, the Utrecht on B'way near the Strand and a few other small dealers have gone, but Central is still there. I've never found an alternative to that store that has met my needs for about 40 years. Give them a call. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for video! GL
Thank you
Can I use wallpaper paste?
What type paper I shall use? Is regular A3(2,1) paper?
Thanks so much for replying I think I can now find what I need:)
I see. Good to know!
I've read that MC is low tack.. how is it working for you since you don't mention that you mix any other adhesive with it?
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I subscribe to your channel. A greeting from Spain. Sorry for my english (google translate)
Hi do you do this professionally for others?
I can do that , what do you have in mind? Please answer in my personal email.
Thank you, Sage
can you write down the name of the glue you use here?
+Fredrik Lloyd the adhesive is, in this case, a starch, Methyl Cellulose, the mix and other information is described in comments below. Thanks for watching!
+Soros Reynolds o88
wonderful tutorial -- thank you!
I am little confused. There is paper under and on top of the silk? Did I miss something?
I am a novice so maybe I am misunderstanding something.
Thanks,
Ann
Where’d the first piece of paper go?
If you watch again you will see that there is only one sheet of paper. Thanks for watching.
how well do they Fold?
+Nic Toma Once it is dry it handles like any other book cloth.
Thanks for watching.
Dear sir, I like to now what kind of paper you juse.
what kind of paper is it?
Where did you buy your big roller?
I've had the roller since I was a printmaking major in College, more than 40 years. You should be able to find one where professional printmaking tools are sold. I checked prices about a year ago and was shocked at how much it costs now for a similar item. However, it is worth the price if you are doing a lot of binding , especially for case making. It takes a lot of the labor out of 'rubbing down' book cloth, also for laminating paper and cloth and, of course, paper backing silks. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for answering my question.
good freind
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What paper do you use? xxxxxxx
In this video I am using Thai Mulberry heavyweight, you can use most medium to heavyweight oriental paper. I used to use Mingei but that paper has become too expensive. Paper like Hosho should work as well, Look to see what is available to you both for usability and cost. Thanks for watching.
I have tried to understand what the name for the paper is,but I cannot
Would you tell
if you read the other comments you will see that I have said it is Thai mulberry paper, heavy weight, there is no GSM. Sorry it seems unclear in the video. You can use most smooth, oriental or 'rice' papers as long as they have no texture that will show up on drying. I have used moriki but that has become too expensive. The mulberry is a good paper to use and not too expensive. Good luck and thanks for watching.
What's MC?
Methyl Cellulose, some wall paper paste is MC.
This is a wheat paste not methyl cellulose
I am using methyl cellulose, wheat paste is too wet and stains the fabric. Thanks for watching.
I have answered this question a number of times in response to other comments.The new google-YT seems to have deleted my responses. I am using Methyl Cellulose, you may be able to buy it as vinyl wallpaper paste. Please watch the video again, you will hear me tell how to mix it. 1/8 cup dry MC to 1 cup of water. Let it stand for 15 minutes. If your fabric is heavy weight, denim, linen you need only size the fabric and let it dry, then glue the boards (roller) instead of the fabric to apply.
Thank you