Anand Menon and Alastair Campbell: Will the next generation reverse Brexit and rejoin the EU?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2023
- Seven years on from the Brexit vote, Fiona Bruce hosts a special edition of Question Time in Clacton, with an audience of people who voted to leave. What do they now make of post-Brexit Britain?
The thing is that the border between NI and the GB is only there because of Brexit, had we had not left the EU this would not even be an issue
When it comes to Ireland, the Irish, and the British imposed Border on Ireland, Ben Habib has no knowledge or idea of what he is talking about. The majority in the British controlled part of Ireland voted to remain in the EU, and we will not have selfish British solutions imposed on us again. As a person born in Belfast I reject being a second class British subject, and choose to be an Irish and EU citizen.
Well said ……
That clown has never visited a border town in his life I'll bet
Ben Habib was trotting out nonsense methinks
@@julianstaniforth7414 : as usual…
@@julianstaniforth7414
"Ben Habib was trotting out nonsense methinks"?
He can do no other.
Brexit reminds me so much of the end of Athens as a major international player. A failed military campaign to Sicily (our Iraq and Afghanistan). The denigration and often killing of experts. Starting the Peloponnesian war, retreating behind their walls do die of dysentery. We are literally filling our waterways with raw sewage while this formerly proud maritime nation is isolated from our trading partners
None of which is true, in 2022, UK exports to the EU was a record year imports also.
Yet record levels of trade. So not too isolated.
"I wish UK had remained. It makes a few percent difference to this economic indicator." = Valid opinion
Isolated = Factually incorrect
@clarksson674 You're cherry-picking data. It is true there was a momentary record increase in exports to the EU in early 2022. This was attributable solely to a huge increase in exports of gas and oil, from the UK to the EU, due to the Russia Ukraine war. The overall picture for the UK is reduced exports and increased imports from the EU.
@Lee-bv6iv In terms of value the UK has always been in deficit with exports v imports with the EU nothing has changed. However, since the so called cliff edge of brexit taking covid out of it all exports have increased year on year fact ! An argument can be had though over complexity but not over value
@clarksson674 I didn't mention anything about the previous exports vs imports deficit. I said exports, overall since Brexit, other than the anomaly you mentioned, have decreased. I made an error regarding increased imports from the EU, I believe they are, in fact, down, also.
It is extraordinary to see this level of enthusiasm for the suggestion to drag Northern Ireland's economy down to that of Great Britain, as a way to resolve the many issues that Great Britain faces. The bit left unsaid appears to be that Brexit requires ideological purity and conviction and that the existence of different markets undermines this. Put simply, only if we all believe strongly enough will Brexit work. It reminds me of extremist evangelical Americans who argue that climate change is not caused by human activity, but the existence of homosexual people. Of course, there are quite a few Northern Irish Brexiteers who believe that too.
"The bit left unsaid appears to be that Brexit requires ideological purity and conviction..."?
Actually, the REAL "...bit left unsaid..." is that practically NO-ONE in Britain, particularly in England, gives a single solitary damn about Northern Ireland(NI).
Most of them would be happy to drop it yesterday, if they could do so with some shred of decency.
"Drag down"?
Do you mean
"There was 1 quarter since Brexit where NI economy grew slightly more than rest of UK's. Obviously just by chance that should happen 2 quarters a year, but lets ignore that. This 1 quarter confirms my pre opinion / bias and so I have assumed that must have stayed the case ever since. Oh s**t it hasn't? Oh well. I didn't bother to know any data prior to forming an opinion."
A few Daily Express readers in that audience I’d say? Scary.
"A few Daily Express readers in that audience I’d say?"
That episode of QT was held in Clacton-on-Sea, and the audience was restricted to people who stated that they voted 'Leave',
I'd say that about half of the audience get themselves scared shitless by 'The Daily Express/Mail/Telegraph' on a daily basis.
At least Ben left his crayons in his padded cell, but matron is very angry as he didn't finish colouring-in Peter Rabbit, and now it's way past medication and lights out.
Of course Campbell is right, the UK will, or attempt to, rejoin the EU for the same reason we went in, in the 1970s. It was the economy. Then we were lagging behind other European countries, and we had to join. The situation now is exactly the same, and we will come to the same conclusion: we have to join. What I do hope, is that the extreme Eurohaters will be permanently sidelined, and we won't have another 40 years of them whingeing.
The UK can't easily meet the Copenhagen criteria for joining the EU - especially ditching the GBP for the Euro. Actually people in Germany are still whining about the loss of the Deutschmark (20 years ago)
@@endintiers I don't think people care about the currency, at least I don't. Free access across the continent with the same currency is fabulous.
@@endintiers Only a few yesteryearish oldies and the AfD whinges about the €. Nobody else.
You are an optimist, aren't you?
@@EllieD.Violet Well yes, I get pissed off myself when travelling and I have to change my Euros for Kroner or whatever.
Or Ben we could join the single market and solve it that way.
Solving both trade and the Irish question in one go.
There is no way for Uk to join the single market, forget about that, even if you were a Schengen member, the EU doesn't want any more deal like the Swiss one.
@@HelenLemink Some people want to get all the PRO and 0 CON.
The UK is not 'one united Kingdom', a large number of Scots want to leave it, and also voted to remain in the EU and Northern Ireland voted to leave the EU, and a growing number of people there would like to see re-unification with the Republic of Ireland.
So that just leaves England and Wales, which have voted to leave the EU.
And the only reason why the majority in Wales voted leave was because of the 600,000 English pensioners living there who tipped the balance. It's well documented and a simple search on Google will confirm.
@@kieran2842 Tipped the balance? Seventeen of the 22 voting regions in Wales for the referendum voted Leave. Only five voted Remain and some of those wins were by a whisker. And look at the areas that voted Leave - Blaenau Gwent, Caerphilly, Swansea, Torfaen, Rhondda Cynon Taf, Merthyr Tydfil, Neath Port Talbot...hardly teeming with "English pensioners". In fact, it was the areas with a large number of English residents '- such as Cardiff, Vale of Glamorgan and Monmouthsire...that voted Remain. In any case, this argument is flawed in the sense it ignores the significant number of Welsh people who live in England that voted Leave.
A large number of Scots? Did you see the referendum result. A larger number of Scots want to stay, and now the SNP has imploded, there will be more seeing the light.
Do Scots and Welsh really think they are stronger alone?
Who voted for you to speak on behalf of the 35-40% of Scots who voted to leave in 2016?
@@kieran2842 Really? who's feeding you this garbage, the EU propaganda machine?
This question is ridiculous. It's not up to them. The questions should be : will the next generation of Eu citizens forget that we did spit on them during more than a decade, accusing them of stealing our jobs and our money ? Will the EU institutions like to play with us again ? Is the Uk gonna fill in 25 years the conditions to be a candidate ( debt, deficit, etc) ? Will the Uk be in Schengen and eurozone ? That's the kind of "little" questions you could ask.
I hope the UK will ask to rejoin the UE again, but this time like any other country.
The UK could start the negotiation process to rejoin the EU tomorrow, as it's a net benefit for all parties. Though Britain would be nowhere close to being allowed to rejoin with the same conditions, the country would have to join the Euro.
@@MaisieDaisyUpsadaisy The UK could not.
1) the UK doesn't meet the accession criteria.
2) for merely the application process to be accepted, there is necessary the unanimous consent of all 27 members.
PS of course the UK can send one application per day to Brussels, 365 days a year, if it makes them happy. Won't result in anything, though.
On a side note: we here in the EU are perfectly capable of deciding ourselves what's in our interest and best for us. We don't need some uneducated bloody forrinner to tell us. Mind your own business.
@@EllieD.Violet "the UK doesn't meet the accession criteria." - Please do elaborate.
"for merely the application process to be accepted, there is necessary the unanimous consent of all 27 members." -- Okay... That is not even an argument about the UK's ability to re-join, it's just a statement of how countries apply to join the EU, which we all know about. If you want to make the case that the UK could not get all members to consent to it, provide a analysis backed up with evidence.
@@MaisieDaisyUpsadaisy 1) official ESRI assessment dating back to autumn 2022, breaking down the CC to paragraphs. 30 out of 59 not met.
Reported on back then in the graun and at least 2 French papers.
2) lies decades in the future. I will gladly provide a detailed assessment on the veto situation any time from 2060 onwards. I provided you with the basics in my other response. Those haven't changed in the last 5 hours.
I'll be here.
Interesting to hear all those from the northern Irish border clapping for Ben Habibs idea ... oh wait 😂
See that there is the problem too many clowns think they are experts
Ben Habib claiming to speak for Northern Nationalist 😂
Benyamin Naeem Habib wants troubles on the island of Ireland to return.
This is mildly entertaining, like the rest of the fall of England.
Seems a weird thing to find entertaining, but ok.
@@mwd331 It's highly entertaining for us in the EU 🇪🇺.
Like a cheesy Brazilian soap opera.
And that's about all Brexit is for us: entertainment
@EllieD.Violet nice! Good for you champ!
@EllieD.Violet BET your glad the UK didn't stand around and watch the European soap opera in 1939
He'll of a fall still the 5th biggest economy in the world
There's a village somewhere looking for habib
Is he saying The Good Friday Agreement was a bad thing? 🤷♀️
"Is he saying The Good Friday Agreement was a bad thing?"
Essentially yes.
Mr Habib is part of that scary 'Brainless Trust' made up of the DUP, the TUV, and Baroness Kate Hoey.
They said that Britain would drop to the same level as Albania during the Brexit campaign and now we see it happening in reality as the UK economy gets smaller each year as more and more companies pull out and relocate to the EU, Then it will be what started off as a UK Brexit it will be a little England as the UK breaks up.
Except no. Not getting smaller each year. No noticeable data, rather than anecdotes, of companies relocating. Hence no noticeable impact on GDP or job numbers.
@@danielwebb8402 There has been a 4 per cent drop in GDP of the British economy that's 100 billion pounds because of your Brexit.
@davidlynch433
There has not been a 4% drop. At all. If you cherry pick the answers to most suit your point.
You can maybe get to just under 1% impact.
Since end 19 vs France / Germany / Italy.
There's imaginary 4%. If you predicted 5-8% in 2016 so need to justify it. So just draw a straight-line projectionon a graph from some random point that maximises the difference.
@@danielwebb8402 You are a Tory bot.
@@davidlynch433
Bot / have a different opinion to you and know data
Tomato / tomatoe
Do you think Habib has ever read the Good Friday Agreement?
I dont think he has ever read a book that wasn't fiction
He can read???😮
😂
"Do you think Habib has ever read the Good Friday Agreement?"
Don't be silly!
Actually, the real question is whether he has ever turned his brain on.....
Higher inflation due to Brexit. Lower investment due to Brexit. Weaker pound due to Brexit. Reduced tax revenues due to Brexit. Less influence on the world stage due to Brexit. Increased pollution of British waterways due to Brexit. Loss of freedom of movement for almost all British citizens due to Brexit. And, apparently, the biggest problem is small boats!
Simple question; were it not for Brexit, would the border between NI and RoI be an issue today?
Nope. Good question. I would expand on that. Would Scotland be reviewing their ties with the rest of the UK so closely? However, your question was perfect!
No. Brexit is the sole cause of the issues around the border these days.
Nope .. hasn't been an issue since GFA and 3 decades of peace in Ireland, and these brexiteers are trying/failing to sture it all up again
No, but then it wasn't considered an issue during the Brexit campaign either. It's very odd that one of the biggest problems with Brexit wasn't discussed until after the vote had happened.
@@splintercast8092 Really? Blair and Major went to NI to explain the issues. It was then people like Villiers that said it was a none issue as the UK could bully Ireland.
On behalf of all Ireland, gfy Ben 👍
The next generation cannot decide to 'rejoin' - unless the EU27 permits them unanimously. VERY unlikely.
Greetings from the EU 🇪🇺
PS Brexit cannot be reversed to the UK enjoying the same privileges as before - it's like trying to unscramble an egg
what privileges did we have before? EU treated us like slaves!
@@elvishprincess321 Thank you for having brexited. Your best contribution in 47 years of EEC/EU membership.
Relax, daaahhhhlink, wven if little brexitannia reapplied: she would be vetoed.
You enjoyed special rebates, opt outs for Schengen and the €. To name the most obvious.
PS vous rosbifs should know a bit about slavery, innit, having held the title of world-beating slave traders for centuries.
@@elvishprincess321slaves don't get a vote or a veto.
Y'know, like Scotland in the UK.
@@julianshepherd2038 Scotland was given a vote to leave the UK in 2014, why didn't they go back then? Why is nobody pushing for a vote for England to leave the UK, we would vote for it!
@@elvishprincess321 Just dissolve the dis-united kingdom then.
Go ahead.
🏴❤EU
I ❤democracy instead.
As a European... its hilarious to see a nation (that back then was in the EU) make up stuff (proven lies) for a decade on why the EU is wrong. Claim it can do better (making the sale that 1 pair if hands is better then 28 pairs of hands) and falling on their face miserably after the Brexit... and go ahead and blame everything on the 27 that do remain in the EU. I thank the UK for proving to the rest of the EU how bad of an idea it is. I feel bad for those that wanted to stay. I feel bad for Scotland being promised they would stay in the EU, but got back-stabbed by London. The UK wanting to go back in the EU is likely (but not soon) and I can already hear the moaning 'We used to have a better deal (since the UK basically had a membership plus package)' when they do. The EU got way much more done without the UK then with the UK in it... so we like you as an ally and a friend, but you have not always been a easy to live with one.
If UK was in Asia brexit will work. But UK is part of the EU zone my goodness, all or most of UK's neighbors are European Countries which is part of the European Union. Now how the hell is UK going to do business if you put this brexit fence to your neigbors??? Your logistics, supply chain, travel, deliveries will be slapped with taxes, fees, paperwork, permits, queques, checkpoints, oh my goodness. The business groups will pass these costs to the consumers which will be soon trigger more inflation...reverse brexit as ASAP
Alistair Campbell who said we were lied to regarding Brexit. What about Alistair Campbell and Tony Blair who lied about Iraq?..
Ben, I know quite a few British people who live here in the EU, and none of them want to go back to brexit Britain. Of course they don't. While they have a legal status here, they enjoy most of the freedoms EU citizens enjoy, but only if they stay here.
If they go back to the UK for long enough, they'll lose all that. Forever, if it were up to people like you.
So don't count on any of them coming back in a hurry.
Who will come back are loads of pensionados from the Mediterranean who failed to get their documentation sorted in time. Every Brit in the EU with a brain and, more importantly, a job, a career, a family and a home, will have made arrangements to be allowed to stay. Your docters, nurses, high tech specialists, engineers and scientists.
None of them will come back, probably not ever now.
Just some very grumpy old people, who've seen their dream retirement go up in smoke. Good luck filling your vacancies with them.
UK Decay...
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I hope the Irish government sue Habib.
Rejoining is NOT a decision of UK, but of 27 European members. And they will look very carefully.
QT should have an episode made up entirely of young people who didn’t have the vote in June 2016
Mind you, this audience consisted of Brexit voters.
What is a Pakistani doing verbally dictating what the UK government should do about Brexit given that N Ireland and Scotland both voted against leaving the EU and that NI now benefits from being economically both in the EU and in the UK?
Are you drunk?
Anand Menon is Professor of European Politics and Foreign Affairs at King's College London.
Ben Habib is a former MEP.
Who are you?
@@julianshepherd2038you say that like being an MEP proves somebody's character or intelligence. Plenty of awful people have had a hell of a lot more power than that.
I take less issue with him being Pakistani, more with the fact that he still seems to think Ireland is a colony of the UK.
@@julianshepherd2038 Menon is Indian.
The co-commenter rightfully asked about Habib's meddling - he is neither representing any institution, nor does he hold any official position.
He's a non-entity (of Pakistani descent)
Anand is supposed to be an academic. Why no quantitative data and analysis in his answers?
isn't ben habib not actually English? so he should be kicked out to Rwanda, right? why is he even speaking about not his country and not his nation?
What is wrong with Ben? He wants every British citizen to come back to the UK? Now, where is the individual’s liberty to live outside of the UK? I’m sorry, but thats some kind of tyranny.
Ben the brexit headbanger needs committing. The Good Friday Agreement helped end 30 years of conflict in Northern Ireland and the mainland. Putting up an effective border again risks returning us all to a state of conflict and what right thinking person would want that !
Dear me is this what wrexit voters really look like. Looks more like the cast of Cocoon or the local knitting club on a night out.
So sick of rich people protecting thekir own interests. Disgusting
Who was the Richard Head sat next to Mr Campbell?
Ben Habib omg
British history on the island of Ireland should be fully taught in our schools ..the brexit border wouldnt be an issue becaus
Habib, as per normal, is talking bollocks!
The claim that Ireland's Taoiseach and Minister for Foreign Affairs "...weaponised the border and threatened violence" is scurrilous tosh!
Ireland's natural border is the beach.
There IS a BRITISH border on the island of Ireland, imposed by threat of great violence against the democratic wishes of the Irish people.
NI could have left the UK. They have repeatedly chosen not to. The border is there because the Republic of Ireland left the UK. So it’s not a British imposed border.
@@aleph8888
"They have repeatedly chosen not to"?
And your evidence for the numerous occasions when Northern Ireland(NI) was offered the chance to vote to leave the UK is what?
Back in reality, there was a referendum in 1975, which was boycotted by almost the entirety of the Catholic/Nationalist/Republican(CNR) population.
Beyond that, nothing....
Ben Habib clearly suffers from the Dunning Kruger Effect.
In an decade UK will be like albania but dont worry , as a spaniard you can still keep comin' to benidorm, a place fitted to your needs
Ben Habib. The final squeal of a dying rat.
Ben voted for it
His alastair campbell the one who lied about the Iraq war
UK come back you are needed in EU
I hope people listened to what Campbell said. Basically, Labour should keep schtumn about returning to the EU until they get into power. Then they can do the dirty.
Ben Habib is spot on. The EU should have been told to stick it, and the UK should scrap the agreement. If the EU need a border, then they can administer one. The UK can stick to the GFA.
The EU and Eire can sort themselves out.
In reality, we need to rid ourselves of Con, Labour, and Lib and get some fresh politicians in.
Ben Habib is quite mad. It's like listening to someone in the last stages of dementia.
Presumably because you don't agree with him.
@@jasonkingshott2971 I think you would need to be equally touched to think he was reflecting reality. This is not really about opinions it's much more fundamental than that.
@@chriselliott726 ...so in detail, what are you trying to say?
@@jasonkingshott2971 Honestly my friend, if you can watch this and not understand for yourself, no amount of explanation from me will convince you.
Brexit was always about mobilising the gullible. It was an exceedingly successful project and Brexiters can now reap the rewards of their efforts. Odd then, that they somehow seem malcontent.
@@chriselliott726 You seem to be struggling on exactly what you are trying to say.
Brexiters have already reaped the rewards, the day after the democratic majority of the UK voted for sovereignty, independence from a corrupt, anti democratic, unaccountable, declining, protectionist, mafioso organisation run by a bunch of childish, vindictive, self serving, gravy train riding, free loading parasites. Leaving was about self governance, empowering the UK to make its own decisions. It does not set in stone what those decisions must be, it's back in the hands of the UK public and not in the hands of or shackled to Brussels.
Rejoin eu now.
Ben Habib is a grifter.
Ben is a cheap grifter and he’s still selling unicorns
Brexit debat is only happening in UK, EU is glad to get rid of you 😉, after all you wanted and voted, so long 🤚
You're welcome. Goodbye
@@bmac7634 goodbye
Alistair Campbell and honesty 😂😂😂 war criminal!
It's a strange world where I find myself agreeing with that bastard
I protested against the Iraq and Afghan wars. But please tell me - what decisions did Alistair Campbell make on behalf of the country for the war that make him a war criminal...?
Cos he was press secretary - he did not make decisions, he just relayed Blair's decisions to the country.
@piccalillipit9211 In 2003 Alistair Campbell wrote the briefing document for the British prime minister Tony Blair's Labour Party government. It was issued to journalists on 3 February 2003 by Alastair Campbell, Blair's Director of Communications and Strategy, and concerned Iraq and weapons of mass destruction. Along with the earlier September Dossier, these documents were ultimately used by the British government to justify its involvement in the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
@@piccalillipit9211shame on you
Will young people reverse Brexit? ??. With changes happening in eu member country's and eu faults becoming more prominent. I doubt they will. In ten years time the eu will be very different or collapsed.
Let’s hope it’s reversed asap