aLte I have hughnet I get 10 down 1 up and 10 gig's of data after that I get 500 kps down 100 kps up even with I have data I can't play games online cause my ping can go from 600-1000 ping I always 1 bar I used shorty copper to its way better than sattelite I would be grateful for that because it's usable
2 years later...I already have fiber-link directly to my pc...and I'm a simple home user from Romania. Technology is getting cheaper by the second. 300Mbps (37MBs) at $9/month. I wonder WTF is going on in developed countries where same speed is costing $50-100 ???
+Cip Ama that's because 20 years ago romania didnt even have phone lines, thing's have been recently installed. the copper cables in europe have been there since the 60s-70s and have gotten old and broken, and replacing them with fiber takes alot of money.
minitos1 I don't think that't the case. First telephone line was installed in Romania in 1881. I think is more about true capitalism , which in my opinion in most countries "capitalism" is just a pure theoretical concept, and reality is that big corporation own the market, since there is no competition they can increase prices as much as they want. I remember my first phone internet modem back in 1995 was kind of expensive.
Here in the Netherlands, in most cities and villages, fibre is being rolled out to the doors, not only as a backbone. In my case, the fibre is coming inside, and we have a special modem designed for fibre-signals. The speeds are amazing :)
I wish Linus would have explained in harsher details that ISPs are probably the biggest reason why fiber isn't being rolled out quickly (at least in the United States). I've muted this post for myself so I no longer receive notification but continue the discussion below if need be.
Teslamonger I was unaware they did tekquickie. Its not like linus hasn't talked about it before. He has bashed them plenty on the WAN show but not everyone watches the WAN show.
Linus: copper telecommunications lines have been around since the 1830s with telegraphs and since the 1870s with telephones, not "the beginning of the 20th century".
I've visited the Corning Museum of Glass a couple times and they have a display of a copper cable cross section of about 6 feet in diameter vs the few strands of fiber optics. It's really amazing to see how far we've come in communications technology in the span of 100 years.
Our electrical companies, was planing to move, high current cables underground. And since they needed the earthmovers anyway. They threw a bundle optical cables down, while they where at it. Fiber to the home is actually quite AWESOME. :)
Here in Canada we have different options. The most common is an HFC (Hybrid Fiber Coax) architecture just like Linus explained. The telco I work for can deliver up to 200Mb/s down - 30Mb/s up for residential customers on this kind of network. It works really well and it is reliable. FTTH is slowly taking place but it'll take a couple of years before going mainstream because of cost.
the glass tubes are just glass, they're less expensive than copper, as copper is a rarer material than glass. I know this because I've worked with Network Installation specialists, who specifically manage copper and fibre connections.
It's 2021 and most of AT&T Internet service coverage in the US is still DSL.... I'm just glad I can get cable in my area... 500mpbs is not bad at all... with maybe 1gbps in the future.... Fiber is still better but I don't think it will be available in my area in my lifetime ( I'm old) unless I move or something..
In Ireland and the UK, we are lucky to have fibre cables almost everywhere and although we are small countries, our combined economies were more than enough to afford fibre cables.
LapX You also have to take into consideration that the path light travels in a fiber optic cable is never going to be straight. Rather the light is constantly bouncing off the sides of the fiber which in turn adds distance to the path it is taking. So while a length of cable might be 2m, the total distance the light travelled through the cable would be closer to 3m
The whole of New Zealand is getting fitted out with fibre. In fact most cities and towns are already on ADSL2 at 50MPS. Just a dig at our Aussie friends ;) (it's for all the sheep shagger jokes).
Hahaha well I get around 500-700 KBps (500 average) and a friend of mine has NBN which is 1MBps and the time difference to download e.g. 6gb is massive
We've been getting fibre to the door rolling out in New Zealand over a year before this video was put up. However, we haven't really been getting the capacity that fibre is capable of. Test areas in (circa 2009) were limited to 30/10, and when it started deploying 'Premium' connections were 100/50 and were on plans that had data caps. In the past couple of years, the max was increased to 200/200, with most ISP's offering those speeds with no datacaps, with one of our smaller cities (Dunedin) being the test area for 1000/500. As of the 1st of October, the provider and support of the physical connections, Chorus, are increasing all fibre speeds around the rest of the country to also have 1000/500, with most ISP's providing users on their 200/200 plans an upgrade to 1000/500 at no additional cost. These residential fibre connections are deployed over Passive Optical Network, using a single fibre rather than a pair for TX and RX, making deployment more financially economic. This also pleases ISP's, as they no longer have people calling up and complain about not having advertised speeds due to not suffering signal degradation over distance. Not having degradation from EMI or wet weather impacting poorly insulated lines also appeases the ISP overlords.
@@RandomTheories I can't wait until Starlibk fucks over these ISP providers and they have to start seriously upgrading their lines with Fiber optic. And cheaper prices as well, but that's more wishful thinking.
That's a rather simplistic description of the layers in the fibre optic cable, also the outer layer isn't just for protection of the inner cable, it is also necessary for the cables to work at all. As you require a difference in the refractive index's for the light to stay within the cable and not just pass through it. Maybe you could do a Techquikie just for fibre optic cables to describe them in more detail.
I'm not sure why everyone is bashing ISPs. Yes of course, like all businesses, they're trying to make money. But like he stated in the video... copper has been around since the beginning of the 20th century. That's over 100 years of developing a copper grid. Now fiber comes along and everyone expects it to be instantly installed? Take the highway system for example. What if tomorrow a study proves that metal streets are better than asphalt/cement and cost pretty much the same. Would you expect every street in the world to be made out of metal in 5, 10, 15 years? ISPs could increase their workforce 10x to speed up the process, but that is where the business side comes in. They need to make money in order to pay their employees.
MinecraftEpicPlayer Are you dumb? You just hear a number and blurt it out? That number might be what your first Google search gets you, but that doesn't include any of the costs to build a network and maintain it. Since 1996, Time Warner has spent $200 billion dollars building their network. Most people think you can just "turn on" the internet, but there's a lot of labor and money needed to do so.
MinecraftEpicPlayer Google Fiber is brand new and is starting in small areas with dense populations. They don't need to "replace" anything like copper. Everything they put in the ground is profit. Just think if Comcast only focused on 20 major cities across the US - those 20 cities would have amazing speeds.
I wish you did more stuff with fiber optics. It's becoming cheaper to setup a home fiber network than with CAT 6, and with the latest MMF standard supports up to 400gbps (so you can upgrade from 10gbps to higher by simply updating your switch and transceivers in the future).
I just realized how great the FD ads are- normally, I close the tab during the sponsor spots but I actually stick around to watch the FD ones. More people should do ad integrations like this :)
I'm living in the southern part of Norway, and i feel the ISP focuses on the wrong parts. I'm living in the center of a municipality, and only have access to copper that are a few km away from the nearest Repeater. But my grandpartents that are living in the middle of the forrest are getting Fiber. No wonder the ISP Fiber project failed.
One big problem is that in city centres it is very hard/expensive to lay all the fibre in the ground in the first place, not to mention if you need a kind of "substation" to distribute the signal. Where I live (northwest Norway) almost everyone except the people in the city centres have fibre due to this. In general, Norway has a really high rollout of fibre, even FTTH, which is almost unheard of in America. It's just too expensive in the city centres.
In Sweden, houses are being connected with fiber. It cost like 2.5k USD to have it build a fiber connection at your door step, but people here do it. Buildings also run on fiber, they have conversion station in the basement so every apartment can have standard copper connection. We are stuck with one ISP though per area though, not enough to choose. 100 Mbit/sec cost like 20-25 usd a month.
Just got my fiber installed and im in love with it already. There i live, everyone have accsess to fiber and the goverment is paying the fiber groups for deploying it. About 120 dollars. / Gotland, Sweden btw i got 100/10 and i get 125/15 probably going to upgrade it to 100/100
Wow. You're so fucking good at explaining, and you do it in a very detailed way in a very short amount of time. Judging from other videos and tutorials I've seen of you, you must be one of the most intelligent people I've ever seen. +1 from here.
Hi, Thanks for the video! May you give an example how exactly is the conncetion made between fiber and copper? Are the modems used? Modems which converts the light to an EM signals or vice-versa? Thanks!
Internet in Singapore is now basically fibre everything. Its getting cheaper by the year and copper seems like it was from the middle ages now. I was pretty shocked to hear some youtubers say they dont have internet that can stream 4K... I can stream atleast 3 4K videos, have torrents and a game running, and surf the internet without any bottlenecks at all..
Same thing here in Sweden. Fibre is so spread throughout the country that the cable tv channels now are transitioning over to broadcasting with IPTV services and cable is slowingly being shut down. Fibre is even being built out to the country outsid towns so even small towns now are being covered by fibre. Entire sweden will be covered by fibre soon and the speed are amazing. I hope you guys in the US gets fibre widespread soon cause its totally unbeatable hen it comes to stability and performance.
+krister olofsson i doubt the US will get ANYTHING like that anytime soon :( atleast affordable... The internet provides here are greedy as fuck and the best my family can afford is 1mb... i cant download a game without my parents netflix stuttering. its such bullshit :(
It will, this kind of stuff has been in Europe for years, it's just a matter of when people will decide to dig up the current network, and put in the new one, probably around 5-7 years in the future, but typically everyone over estimates Google...
My ISP has been working on their fiber-backed network for the last year. When I bought my house, I was on a purely bonded DSL line with max speed of 15 Mbps down, and 1.5 Mbps. When my ISP added the nodes, repeaters, and fiber to the end of my road they were able to swap my house over to the fiber-backed hybrid I can now get either 25, 100, or 200 Mbps. I have their 100 Mbps and usually get about 80 Mbps down and 26 Mbps up. I still wish that I had FTTP (Fiber to the Premises) but the current configuration works so I am not going to ask them to fix something that isn't broken.
I just thought I'd share here, the Island of Oahu in Hawaii is covered (near 100%) with fiber that can run right up to people's homes.. my home internet here is a direct fiber right up to my wifi... It's still pretty new. It's owned by the phone company here and they have a bad reputation, but looking at it currently, they're doing pretty good at turning their rep around and providing more and good services! I love my fiber internet!
I live in Norway and it is very varying speeds here. A half hour away from where I live the top speed is 5 mbps on copper. Where I live they are currently building fiber networks supporting up to 1gbps and the absolute fastest connection can reach 10 gbps but none have ordered it anyways and it is only available to very special customers.
My whole neighbourhood has direct fibre to their houses. They recently upgraded the fibre backbone to 1 Tbps and everyone is getting 10 Gbps fibre cables directly to their homes to prepare for the future.
FoodOnCrack I don't know. I'm just saying what the letter I got from my ISP said they were going to do (and have done now) and that we should expect internet outages for a few hours. STZY Bruh 1Tbps for a neighbourhood with 600 houses (theoretical max download speed of 1.7 Gbps per house, but each house has a cable capable of 10 Gbps, or so they say).It's unlikely that my neighbourhood would get 1 Gbps download per house for a few years.
My ISP rolled out fibre to house connections to every house in the COUNTRYSIDE (while its still hybrid in towns) across their entire service area. Which is the southeast part of the state.
since sony and microsoft are getting so many DDOS attacks can your next video be about how DDOS attacks work? I m curious why DDOS are not called 'hack'
A DDOS is not a hack because all it takes is a group of computers being remotely controlled from a different location sending massive amounts of information/requests to another computer until it can no longer accept and process any of the information. Anyone who has access to a botnet (a bunch of computers that are remotely controlled that you can actually rent) and a script that are easily available on the web can do this. (Hence the term script-kiddies) Hacking on the other hand means using software or hardware exploits to change aspects of how that computer works, and means actually looking at or changing actual computer code in order to access those exploits. TekSyndicate have a bit of information about what a DDOS and why it isn't actual hacking is on their latest The Tek video.
A DDOS attack is a bunch of 12 year olds getting together and thinking that it's "fun" and "productive" to send millions of HTTP/FTP/SSH/etc requests to servers. No, it's not a hack.
There is DoS and DDoS. DoS means Denial of Service, which is a state of a server when it ceases to respond to client requests in a regular fashion. DoS attacks can be sent from a computer, or a small group of computers, with a fast internet connection. You basically launch as many threads as you can, and tell each one to request something from a server (like a web page or a large image). With certain exploits you can send specific requests that will take longer than usual to process, so you won't need a lot of resources for such an attack. An example is a PHP vulnerability a while back, that resulted in a lot of memory being consumed when you post a certain set of keys to the server. Anyway, DoS attacks are easily killed by just banning the IP of the attacker. Automatic bans can be easily made, if the server makes a visit statistic to determine if an IP hogs a lot of the server resources (then it's probably trying to DoS). Now, DDoS are a whole different story. It is distributed, which means that IPs from all over the world will perform this attack. Usually these are hijacked computers (using trojans), that make only a few requests, so the owner wouldn't suspect anything, or wouldn't care. But their number is so high, that the flow of requests is too much for a server to cope with. How do computers get infected? Well, it's a biosphere. People want software, that costs money, but they want it free. Some people reverse engineer, or get leaked info from the software manufacturers, that allows them to make cracks, keygens and stuff like that. They don't do it for free of course. They include some scrip there that would take simple remote commands. Now they have a botnet, that they could rent to people for money. Who rents them - script kiddies or people with a grudge that want to do industrial sabotage. Sometimes by hackers that use this as one of the steps in their attacks. And cracks/keygens are not the only source of these trojans. Free programs all over the internet, that are useful, often have sponsors that get to include their shit into the installer, and sometimes that shit is some real shit if you know what I mean. I got my share of shit from programs like Orbit Downloader, Freemake , you get the idea. Just be careful what you're installing, what they're trying to push with that, and verify after the install that there is no new shit on your computer that shouldn't be there. That's why you shouldn't do crack. I mean you shouldn't use cracks and keygens for software you use. Find a free alternative, pay for it, or don't use it. But if you really must and there is no other way, try to sandbox that shit. Have a virtual machine to run the keygens in (use VirtualBox - it's free, and you can install trial versions of Windows on it), copy the generated key and use it in your main computer. Cracks are not possible to isolate however. If it's a program you rarely use - put in in a virtual machine as well, and start that machine when you need this program. Keep your computer clean, don't be a part of a botnet.
A DDoS attack should not be considered a 'hack' - because there is generally no compromise or exploit of a system. It's just a bunch of systems ganging up and making as many requests as possible to a system. There is nothing wrong with your web browser requesting www.youtube.com. It is a problem if a billion computers all try to request www.youtube.com as rapidly as possible, repeatedly. This is a DDoS. DDoS is often executed with a 'botnet' of compromised systems - that were indeed affected by some kind of 'hack'. Illicit individuals or organizations will rent out these botnets for fees, or use them for their own whims. Sometimes, (like with DNS/NTP amplification attacks) just one or a relatively small number of systems can exploit the legitimate purpose of a protocol for unintended purposes - here there is potentially no botnet, and the attacker leverages a collection of otherwise secure servers owned by private companies and governments. In these cases places like universities and government research centres with 10Gbps+ internet connections were tricked into sending gigabits of traffic at victims.
Just waiting for my "Quantum entanglement particles" for those FTL communications. MAKE IT HAPPEN, I DO NOT WANT TO WAIT FOR THE YEAR 2180 TO GET THAT!
yeah 47 dollars a month for 3mbps fuck att im switching to comcast next month. actually fuck all these monopolizing greedy companies they always do overcharge because there isn't much competition since they pretty much guarantees smaller competitor's non existence by buying them and also lobbying the congress and shit. comcast's offer is still way better though. for about the same price i get more than 3 times my current speed. 3mbps to 10mbps. maybe even further upgrade to 25mbps next year.
Any chance you could inform our stupid government over here in Australia, Linus??? :) God i can't believe we aussies are going to be stuck on copper for the next 20yrs or so.
love your stuff linus... this was a great watch I actually work for an ISP in Northwest Indiana, small company but we have actually started deploying fiber to the home in some areas and had only a small take mainly due to the fact that our ISP cannot offer TV over fiber yet ( due to a FCC mishap that took place long before i was employed here. but more on your comments about fiber costing more.. that isnt exaclty true. Fiber vs copper in length fiber is actually cheaper due to high rare metal costs. the other cost problem is like you said having a outside plant already made up of copper vs redoing that entire plant in fiber is a huge cost in time, labor and materials. the other major cost is upgrading the equipment that said copper and fiber are ran off of. We are currently using upgradeing all of our (repeater boxs) Litespan equipment to ADTRAN equipment that allows us to increase our output potential. Litespan equipment only allows us to have about a 1Gbs to split between 1-50 people but ADTRAN is allowing us to have 10Gbs to split amongst the same, ADTRAN is still dated but alot better than dial up lol, I do believe that once TV goes to 60% or 70% streamable we will start seeing a more demand for fiber.
Power to your house is actually only partially delivered by copper. The high voltage lines that go to your local transformer are likely aluminium with an iron core. Although alu has a higher resistance, it is much cheaper, and the resistance doesn't matter as much when dealing with high voltage, as the same amount of power can be delivered with a smaller current. The iron core is there to carry weight.
About 3 months ago I decided to connect my house to the local fibre network. I live in a small village (with a population of like 40 people) in the middle of nowhere, but I still have 100/100 Mbit/s here. The cost to connect our house was $3213, but still worth it. I pay $43 per month for 100/100 Mbit/s
I think I'm almost there! We have a fiber optic company installing fiber in my town. We had a utilities locator company mark up our street a few weeks ago so I think we're getting fiber installed within the next few weeks. Can't wait to finally get rid of Comcast!
In the Netherlands fiber is already rolled out everywere I believe (just 2 years ago), it's really nice but it can be pretty expensive though. Prices are ranging from 40 up to a 100 euro's a month.
Since getting fiber I have not had a single problem conecting with anything involving the internet, it's also great for gaming you will normally always have the strongest conection in whatever lobby.
Great Techquickie as usual, but there are two faults in it. Copper isn't normally used to get power to a home (at least here in Europe, but I think it's like that in the US/Canada too), we use aluminium since it's lighter and cheaper. Copper is used inside a home. The second you said that fiber is far more expensive pr lenght than copper. This is also not completely through. Fiber is usually less expensive since glass is cheap, it's the equipment on either side of the fibercable that is the expensive part. An expample, I as an electrician can buy a 144 strain singelmode fiber cable for about $10 US pr meter. That's cheap. 2-pair Cat 3 (used into domestic houses here in Norway (one of the most expensive countries on earth) coast just a little more than a 4-strain singelmode fiber.
According to our local Vodafone technical headquarters it's cheaper to connect a recently built house via fibre, due to the high price of raw copper. But this just applies for cost per meter. Due to the missing fibre backbone its necessary to go over much longer distances and that's made it cost at least an order of an magnitude more expensive than copper. Installing fibre in a small city costs again according to Vodafone about 100€ per meter. Including all necessary costs for earth moving, crossing streets and pavements.
Mom said I need a lot of fiber to be healthy, so I ordered Google Fiber.
XD omg
It has Fiber in it's name, so it must be healthy
Its_Elkku logic
LOOOOOOOLLLL
Relevant: Google Fiber th-cam.com/video/re0VRK6ouwI/w-d-xo.html
Fiber = Happy life
Copper = Wanting to burn isp´s offices in a daily basis
aLte I have hughnet I get 10 down 1 up and 10 gig's of data after that I get 500 kps down 100 kps up even with I have data I can't play games online cause my ping can go from 600-1000 ping I always 1 bar I used shorty copper to its way better than sattelite I would be grateful for that because it's usable
zach.843 I get 200 kilobytes down with my internet. I want to die
I get 35 mbps with vdsl
750mbps for me
Copper is good it's just shit for any sort of distance
2 years later...I already have fiber-link directly to my pc...and I'm a simple home user from Romania. Technology is getting cheaper by the second. 300Mbps (37MBs) at $9/month. I wonder WTF is going on in developed countries where same speed is costing $50-100 ???
monopolies and knowing people have enough money that they can milk people to that extent
+Cip Ama that's because 20 years ago romania didnt even have phone lines, thing's have been recently installed. the copper cables in europe have been there since the 60s-70s and have gotten old and broken, and replacing them with fiber takes alot of money.
minitos1 I don't think that't the case. First telephone line was installed in Romania in 1881. I think is more about true capitalism , which in my opinion in most countries "capitalism" is just a pure theoretical concept, and reality is that big corporation own the market, since there is no competition they can increase prices as much as they want. I remember my first phone internet modem back in 1995 was kind of expensive.
Cip Ama Ah okay, I've heard about this happening to alot of countries around europe though.. thats why I'm saying it.
+Cip Ama Nah where I live in Canada theres tons of people and its $569/month
"No room for SLI they said." XD
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Here in the Netherlands, in most cities and villages, fibre is being rolled out to the doors, not only as a backbone. In my case, the fibre is coming inside, and we have a special modem designed for fibre-signals. The speeds are amazing :)
Yep i got fibre straight into my house. But i'm also living in the Netherlands. :D Cheap and high speed :D
Correct. The whole country is being connected to fiber now. I have it too now and it's 10 x faster and costs only half of my previous provider.
Ja leuk snelle internet van KPN he. Ziggo is wel slecht met coax
I wish Linus would have explained in harsher details that ISPs are probably the biggest reason why fiber isn't being rolled out quickly (at least in the United States). I've muted this post for myself so I no longer receive notification but continue the discussion below if need be.
If you wanted that, then you should have went over to TekSyndicate.
Teslamonger I was unaware they did tekquickie. Its not like linus hasn't talked about it before. He has bashed them plenty on the WAN show but not everyone watches the WAN show.
If you go out, start an ISP, and make enough money; then you can roll them out as quickly as you wish. Let us know how that goes.
Not living the US, I'm wandering what this ISP you speak of is?
Double - N Internet Service Provider
I just got a 1Gbps fibre connection to my home!! It's awesome
Linus: copper telecommunications lines have been around since the 1830s with telegraphs and since the 1870s with telephones, not "the beginning of the 20th century".
vwestlife Yeah I found a timeline for that stuff, but we're not really using the stuff that was deployed so early and it wasn't as widespread.
Techquickie he is still correct. They deployed the copper for a reason
+vwestlife Ayyy!!
+Techquickie Somebody need to learn their Bell System history. :-D
Relax, the point is, we've had copper infrastructure for a while now, and we still don't have fiber.
I miss Linus doing stupid stuff like shoving glitter on his face for sponsors
rufioh trust me he still does a lot of stupid stuff
I've visited the Corning Museum of Glass a couple times and they have a display of a copper cable cross section of about 6 feet in diameter vs the few strands of fiber optics. It's really amazing to see how far we've come in communications technology in the span of 100 years.
Australian: *Cries, the moisture from my tears further reducing copper's effectiveness*
Pretty sure Australian internet is so slow it's going back in time 😂 -3mbps
Tasmania: (that small island near Australia that somehow is part of Australia) FTTP is still slow!
We voted LNP, we get what we voted for
Next: "American spelling vs. Canadian/British spelling as fast as possible"
AKA Commonwealth
Robert Crawshaw French Canadians* -- Of course we should.
Is this from misused tech terms when the top comment was a spelling debate?
Robert Crawshaw no its a small part no one speaks french in canada
Aye big fan here
These sponsor ads are getting more amazing each video. Seriously, that glitter is the only reason I need to visit FD's website.
Our electrical companies, was planing to move, high current cables underground. And since they needed the earthmovers anyway. They threw a bundle optical cables down, while they where at it.
Fiber to the home is actually quite AWESOME. :)
I feel lucky, my city just got fiber over the entire city!
I got my Fibre now for one week. I never wanna use the internet without it anymore!
Here in Canada we have different options. The most common is an HFC (Hybrid Fiber Coax) architecture just like Linus explained. The telco I work for can deliver up to 200Mb/s down - 30Mb/s up for residential customers on this kind of network. It works really well and it is reliable. FTTH is slowly taking place but it'll take a couple of years before going mainstream because of cost.
The individual fibre cables are cheaper than copper as they're just glass, what makes it so expensive is what goes into protects it
Well making the tiny glass tubes is actually relatively expensive I would guess since they have to be the same thickness all the way through
the glass tubes are just glass, they're less expensive than copper, as copper is a rarer material than glass. I know this because I've worked with Network Installation specialists, who specifically manage copper and fibre connections.
General Echo Ah, ok. I don't have that kind of experience. But that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
Tyler Eberhardt No problem
General Echo thats not how it works the procesing of such a flexible glass fiber is what ups the cost
It's 2021 and most of AT&T Internet service coverage in the US is still DSL....
I'm just glad I can get cable in my area... 500mpbs is not bad at all... with maybe 1gbps in the future....
Fiber is still better but I don't think it will be available in my area in my lifetime ( I'm old) unless I move or something..
Your upload speed would be at most 30mbps.. with cable internet..
That's the benefit of fiber.. you can get as much upload speeds as you download
In Ireland and the UK, we are lucky to have fibre cables almost everywhere and although we are small countries, our combined economies were more than enough to afford fibre cables.
Isn't the speed of light approximately 300 000 Km/s ? Does the glass slow the light ?
Yes. 300,000 KM/s is only in a complete vacuum.
Timothy Lastovica Oh, I remember now :P Thanks.
It's exactly 186,000 m/s
John DeBrino umm youtube comments is not the real world.... good answer thought
LapX You also have to take into consideration that the path light travels in a fiber optic cable is never going to be straight. Rather the light is constantly bouncing off the sides of the fiber which in turn adds distance to the path it is taking. So while a length of cable might be 2m, the total distance the light travelled through the cable would be closer to 3m
fucking shitty australian internet system.
I know eh I DEMAND NBN
The whole of New Zealand is getting fitted out with fibre. In fact most cities and towns are already on ADSL2 at 50MPS. Just a dig at our Aussie friends ;) (it's for all the sheep shagger jokes).
Hahaha well I get around 500-700 KBps (500 average) and a friend of mine has NBN which is 1MBps and the time difference to download e.g. 6gb is massive
SS_ TropicThunder www.speedtest.net/result/4007966416.png
Ashley Bengtson what about it
It rubs the glitter glue on its skin or else it gets the pie in the face again.
We've been getting fibre to the door rolling out in New Zealand over a year before this video was put up.
However, we haven't really been getting the capacity that fibre is capable of. Test areas in (circa 2009) were limited to 30/10, and when it started deploying 'Premium' connections were 100/50 and were on plans that had data caps.
In the past couple of years, the max was increased to 200/200, with most ISP's offering those speeds with no datacaps, with one of our smaller cities (Dunedin) being the test area for 1000/500.
As of the 1st of October, the provider and support of the physical connections, Chorus, are increasing all fibre speeds around the rest of the country to also have 1000/500, with most ISP's providing users on their 200/200 plans an upgrade to 1000/500 at no additional cost.
These residential fibre connections are deployed over Passive Optical Network, using a single fibre rather than a pair for TX and RX, making deployment more financially economic. This also pleases ISP's, as they no longer have people calling up and complain about not having advertised speeds due to not suffering signal degradation over distance. Not having degradation from EMI or wet weather impacting poorly insulated lines also appeases the ISP overlords.
A large part of Ljubljana has fiber optic to the home. I positively love it!!
Too bad the US ISP industry is too greedy to actually innovate...
I know its over 6years since your comment, but..
"Starlink says HELLO WORLD to your local ISP"
@@RandomTheories I can't wait until Starlibk fucks over these ISP providers and they have to start seriously upgrading their lines with Fiber optic. And cheaper prices as well, but that's more wishful thinking.
3:37 Lol I live in Sweden and we have direct fibre connection to our houses... I think we are in the front line of Internet connection...
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america NOW does too lol
@@EddiePassions Not in many places.
@@tgm9991 here in atlanta yes. but i'm getting 500-700 sometimes 900 and i'm paying 1000mpbs $70
@@EddiePassions 900-1000Mbps here, paying $12.
2:35 I swear to god that's Keith from buzzfeed
That's a rather simplistic description of the layers in the fibre optic cable, also the outer layer isn't just for protection of the inner cable, it is also necessary for the cables to work at all. As you require a difference in the refractive index's for the light to stay within the cable and not just pass through it. Maybe you could do a Techquikie just for fibre optic cables to describe them in more detail.
These are getting better and better!
Keep them coming!
I love watching your video man! So informative while keeping it simple for most to understand! :)
I'm not sure why everyone is bashing ISPs. Yes of course, like all businesses, they're trying to make money. But like he stated in the video... copper has been around since the beginning of the 20th century. That's over 100 years of developing a copper grid. Now fiber comes along and everyone expects it to be instantly installed?
Take the highway system for example. What if tomorrow a study proves that metal streets are better than asphalt/cement and cost pretty much the same. Would you expect every street in the world to be made out of metal in 5, 10, 15 years?
ISPs could increase their workforce 10x to speed up the process, but that is where the business side comes in. They need to make money in order to pay their employees.
True true. Next thing is that a new technology may come around. But also, ISPs better upgrade to fibre when maintainance is being done.
Jack Carlos ISPs make a 97% profit margin. It's been mentioned before on one of Linus's livestreams
MinecraftEpicPlayer Are you dumb? You just hear a number and blurt it out? That number might be what your first Google search gets you, but that doesn't include any of the costs to build a network and maintain it. Since 1996, Time Warner has spent $200 billion dollars building their network. Most people think you can just "turn on" the internet, but there's a lot of labor and money needed to do so.
Jack Carlos
then how come Google Fiber is able to do so well?
MinecraftEpicPlayer Google Fiber is brand new and is starting in small areas with dense populations. They don't need to "replace" anything like copper. Everything they put in the ground is profit. Just think if Comcast only focused on 20 major cities across the US - those 20 cities would have amazing speeds.
I wish you did more stuff with fiber optics. It's becoming cheaper to setup a home fiber network than with CAT 6, and with the latest MMF standard supports up to 400gbps (so you can upgrade from 10gbps to higher by simply updating your switch and transceivers in the future).
I just realized how great the FD ads are- normally, I close the tab during the sponsor spots but I actually stick around to watch the FD ones. More people should do ad integrations like this :)
Dude hats off to your confidence! I like you on this channel the most!
I'm living in the southern part of Norway, and i feel the ISP focuses on the wrong parts.
I'm living in the center of a municipality, and only have access to copper that are a few km away from the nearest Repeater. But my grandpartents that are living in the middle of the forrest are getting Fiber.
No wonder the ISP Fiber project failed.
One big problem is that in city centres it is very hard/expensive to lay all the fibre in the ground in the first place, not to mention if you need a kind of "substation" to distribute the signal. Where I live (northwest Norway) almost everyone except the people in the city centres have fibre due to this. In general, Norway has a really high rollout of fibre, even FTTH, which is almost unheard of in America. It's just too expensive in the city centres.
Elderly people need more fiber in their diet.
Australia spent $50billion and its shit
wtf that darth vader scared shit out of me
it would have been better if you have the glue on throughout the video and not explained it at all.
Feels good to watch it on fiber connection
In Sweden, houses are being connected with fiber. It cost like 2.5k USD to have it build a fiber connection at your door step, but people here do it. Buildings also run on fiber, they have conversion station in the basement so every apartment can have standard copper connection. We are stuck with one ISP though per area though, not enough to choose. 100 Mbit/sec cost like 20-25 usd a month.
Which company? Telia?
Nicolás Espinoza R. In Australia it cost about $100/month for 100Mb/s download, 40Mb/s upload.
Just got my fiber installed and im in love with it already. There i live, everyone have accsess to fiber and the goverment is paying the fiber groups for deploying it. About 120 dollars. / Gotland, Sweden
btw i got 100/10 and i get 125/15 probably going to upgrade it to 100/100
Please dont say "simple Scandinavian design" IKEA furniture is still traumatizing to me
LinusSkinHealthCare
Wow. You're so fucking good at explaining, and you do it in a very detailed way in a very short amount of time. Judging from other videos and tutorials I've seen of you, you must be one of the most intelligent people I've ever seen.
+1 from here.
Propa beast ain’t he son
i wonder if sata cables will be replaced with fiber cables.
That would be great.
I wonder what a fiber motherboard would be able to do, instead of copper traces.
The Gentleman Sandwich not a dammed thing
Not sure about salta cables but they are trying to make circuit boards light based.
The Gentleman Sandwich ...Fiber isn't conductive. Please take a 101 on electrical engineering. That's just a silly comment.
Hi,
Thanks for the video!
May you give an example how exactly is the conncetion made between fiber and copper? Are the modems used? Modems which converts the light to an EM signals or vice-versa?
Thanks!
In Romania we got fiber for free and we have the fastest internet in Europe.....atleast there is something we are good at
Yes, but you still don't have freeways or decent long distance transportation.
Cristian Nicolae Yep :) that's why ive said "atleast we are good at 1 thing" cuz we suck at the others :)
Almost the same situation here in Bulgaria, but worse! :D
Cristian Nicolae Says a Romanian. :c
Mihai ▲ ẞlvck Natives know this better thn anyone :P.
PS: never go to the toilet in a Romanian train.
the sparkles at the end was worth the wait
I now have a 1gbps fibre line in my home
And it's amazing
The telephone in the beginning is a russian one.
Strange. Only one Cyrillic letter per number.
Internet in Singapore is now basically fibre everything. Its getting cheaper by the year and copper seems like it was from the middle ages now. I was pretty shocked to hear some youtubers say they dont have internet that can stream 4K... I can stream atleast 3 4K videos, have torrents and a game running, and surf the internet without any bottlenecks at all..
Good for you :(
and here I am with a shitty 1mb connection that can barely handle one 360p video. I should have been born in Singapore :(
we'll have this in Germany too... in 1 billion years.
Same thing here in Sweden. Fibre is so spread throughout the country that the cable tv channels now are transitioning over to broadcasting with IPTV services and cable is slowingly being shut down. Fibre is even being built out to the country outsid towns so even small towns now are being covered by fibre. Entire sweden will be covered by fibre soon and the speed are amazing. I hope you guys in the US gets fibre widespread soon cause its totally unbeatable hen it comes to stability and performance.
+krister olofsson i doubt the US will get ANYTHING like that anytime soon :( atleast affordable... The internet provides here are greedy as fuck and the best my family can afford is 1mb... i cant download a game without my parents netflix stuttering. its such bullshit :(
Hey Linus, How about a "RFID as Fast as Possible"?
Longmont is getting hooked up with fiber right now. Its amazing.
I forgot about Fractal making Linus do crazy stuff. The helium still cracks me up.
those little glitters never comes down from your face, deal with it linus :D
so if dsl in consent it.. how come when i just load up a webpage on dsl it goes from 70 ping to 6337 ping
Someone else must we using it or something.
I hope google fibre becomes worldwide (and cheaper) so i can use it for my games.
It will, this kind of stuff has been in Europe for years, it's just a matter of when people will decide to dig up the current network, and put in the new one, probably around 5-7 years in the future, but typically everyone over estimates Google...
+wtblack5 longer than that do you how many rural areas there are.
+Danny Billy yes, what's your point? Fiber wires can be connected via power lines, like phone lines...
wtblack5 Stfu if you don't get it.
+Danny Billy umm... apparently you don't get it either...
My ISP has been working on their fiber-backed network for the last year. When I bought my house, I was on a purely bonded DSL line with max speed of 15 Mbps down, and 1.5 Mbps. When my ISP added the nodes, repeaters, and fiber to the end of my road they were able to swap my house over to the fiber-backed hybrid I can now get either 25, 100, or 200 Mbps. I have their 100 Mbps and usually get about 80 Mbps down and 26 Mbps up. I still wish that I had FTTP (Fiber to the Premises) but the current configuration works so I am not going to ask them to fix something that isn't broken.
1:58 who decided to make the land blue and the ocean white?
2019 i get 1Gbps up and down available through fiber straight to my house... ow how has technology changed
😫 i'm still struggling with 512kbps. 1Gbps sounds like what a whole city is using
@@awoo1622 oh wow, where do you live?
I have 12 mb/s down, 1 mb/s up
I use copper and I get 80 down, 20 up
1:13 Nice meme Linus.
Sadly im still on DSL.. which is copper but.. still horrific.
I just thought I'd share here, the Island of Oahu in Hawaii is covered (near 100%) with fiber that can run right up to people's homes.. my home internet here is a direct fiber right up to my wifi... It's still pretty new. It's owned by the phone company here and they have a bad reputation, but looking at it currently, they're doing pretty good at turning their rep around and providing more and good services! I love my fiber internet!
Australia is actually transferring all of our cables to fibre optic cables. It's called the NBN (National broadband network)
How can copper still be around? Slovenia already has fiber everywhere.
I live in Latvia and I know that copper is more common here, but we have way faster internet than you guys.
Professional Medic Well copper is not slow.
I live in Norway and it is very varying speeds here. A half hour away from where I live the top speed is 5 mbps on copper. Where I live they are currently building fiber networks supporting up to 1gbps and the absolute fastest connection can reach 10 gbps but none have ordered it anyways and it is only available to very special customers.
No it doesn't.. I'll still have to wait a few months to get my fibre connection..
You can still have copper if you have Malcolm Turdbull, and his cronies as your government, who say that "New copper technologies" are better.
Gotta love fibre when you download Mortal Kombat in 45 minutes!
Gotta love it when it takes a week
Got to love it when it on copper and fast lol
Gotta love replying with the phrase "gotta love"
My whole neighbourhood has direct fibre to their houses. They recently upgraded the fibre backbone to 1 Tbps and everyone is getting 10 Gbps fibre cables directly to their homes to prepare for the future.
thats some download speed right there
10 gigabit? So everyone has VERY expensive switches with a 10 gbit NIC instead of a normal router with a 1 gbit nic?
1tb download speed? Are you that old lady that lives in the Netherlands with the son that owns an internet company?
FoodOnCrack I don't know. I'm just saying what the letter I got from my ISP said they were going to do (and have done now) and that we should expect internet outages for a few hours.
STZY Bruh 1Tbps for a neighbourhood with 600 houses (theoretical max download speed of 1.7 Gbps per house, but each house has a cable capable of 10 Gbps, or so they say).It's unlikely that my neighbourhood would get 1 Gbps download per house for a few years.
STZY Bruh Their BACKBONE was upgraded to 1 Tbps.
im gonna get fibre cables in the January middle-ish so happy and excited
My ISP rolled out fibre to house connections to every house in the COUNTRYSIDE (while its still hybrid in towns) across their entire service area. Which is the southeast part of the state.
since sony and microsoft are getting so many DDOS attacks
can your next video be about how DDOS attacks work?
I m curious why DDOS are not called 'hack'
A DDOS is not a hack because all it takes is a group of computers being remotely controlled from a different location sending massive amounts of information/requests to another computer until it can no longer accept and process any of the information.
Anyone who has access to a botnet (a bunch of computers that are remotely controlled that you can actually rent) and a script that are easily available on the web can do this. (Hence the term script-kiddies)
Hacking on the other hand means using software or hardware exploits to change aspects of how that computer works, and means actually looking at or changing actual computer code in order to access those exploits.
TekSyndicate have a bit of information about what a DDOS and why it isn't actual hacking is on their latest The Tek video.
Cause DDOS is a attack not an hack.
A DDOS attack is a bunch of 12 year olds getting together and thinking that it's "fun" and "productive" to send millions of HTTP/FTP/SSH/etc requests to servers. No, it's not a hack.
There is DoS and DDoS. DoS means Denial of Service, which is a state of a server when it ceases to respond to client requests in a regular fashion. DoS attacks can be sent from a computer, or a small group of computers, with a fast internet connection. You basically launch as many threads as you can, and tell each one to request something from a server (like a web page or a large image). With certain exploits you can send specific requests that will take longer than usual to process, so you won't need a lot of resources for such an attack. An example is a PHP vulnerability a while back, that resulted in a lot of memory being consumed when you post a certain set of keys to the server.
Anyway, DoS attacks are easily killed by just banning the IP of the attacker. Automatic bans can be easily made, if the server makes a visit statistic to determine if an IP hogs a lot of the server resources (then it's probably trying to DoS).
Now, DDoS are a whole different story. It is distributed, which means that IPs from all over the world will perform this attack. Usually these are hijacked computers (using trojans), that make only a few requests, so the owner wouldn't suspect anything, or wouldn't care. But their number is so high, that the flow of requests is too much for a server to cope with.
How do computers get infected? Well, it's a biosphere. People want software, that costs money, but they want it free. Some people reverse engineer, or get leaked info from the software manufacturers, that allows them to make cracks, keygens and stuff like that. They don't do it for free of course. They include some scrip there that would take simple remote commands. Now they have a botnet, that they could rent to people for money. Who rents them - script kiddies or people with a grudge that want to do industrial sabotage. Sometimes by hackers that use this as one of the steps in their attacks. And cracks/keygens are not the only source of these trojans. Free programs all over the internet, that are useful, often have sponsors that get to include their shit into the installer, and sometimes that shit is some real shit if you know what I mean. I got my share of shit from programs like Orbit Downloader, Freemake , you get the idea. Just be careful what you're installing, what they're trying to push with that, and verify after the install that there is no new shit on your computer that shouldn't be there.
That's why you shouldn't do crack. I mean you shouldn't use cracks and keygens for software you use. Find a free alternative, pay for it, or don't use it. But if you really must and there is no other way, try to sandbox that shit. Have a virtual machine to run the keygens in (use VirtualBox - it's free, and you can install trial versions of Windows on it), copy the generated key and use it in your main computer. Cracks are not possible to isolate however. If it's a program you rarely use - put in in a virtual machine as well, and start that machine when you need this program. Keep your computer clean, don't be a part of a botnet.
A DDoS attack should not be considered a 'hack' - because there is generally no compromise or exploit of a system. It's just a bunch of systems ganging up and making as many requests as possible to a system. There is nothing wrong with your web browser requesting www.youtube.com. It is a problem if a billion computers all try to request www.youtube.com as rapidly as possible, repeatedly. This is a DDoS.
DDoS is often executed with a 'botnet' of compromised systems - that were indeed affected by some kind of 'hack'. Illicit individuals or organizations will rent out these botnets for fees, or use them for their own whims. Sometimes, (like with DNS/NTP amplification attacks) just one or a relatively small number of systems can exploit the legitimate purpose of a protocol for unintended purposes - here there is potentially no botnet, and the attacker leverages a collection of otherwise secure servers owned by private companies and governments. In these cases places like universities and government research centres with 10Gbps+ internet connections were tricked into sending gigabits of traffic at victims.
Just waiting for my "Quantum entanglement particles" for those FTL communications.
MAKE IT HAPPEN, I DO NOT WANT TO WAIT FOR THE YEAR 2180 TO GET THAT!
That's not how quantum entanglement works.
octet33 In mass effect it does :D
+Mazaroth Sorry to burst your bubble but...
The world isn't a video game.
Im here paying 45 dollars a month for 1.5 dl and .1mbs up.
att right?
Epic Gaming W/Miguel No
yeah 47 dollars a month for 3mbps fuck att im switching to comcast next month. actually fuck all these monopolizing greedy companies they always do overcharge because there isn't much competition since they pretty much guarantees smaller competitor's non existence by buying them and also lobbying the congress and shit. comcast's offer is still way better though. for about the same price i get more than 3 times my current speed. 3mbps to 10mbps. maybe even further upgrade to 25mbps next year.
90$ monthly for 5dl and 1 up.. -_-
+Gabe Miller new cable company has 100mbps for $34
In the Netherlands we have already fibre cable to every house separately.
The things you do for Fractal Design xD
I wish fiber was everywhere it's so much more manageable than copper and the internet speeds are insane.
in Germany i have Copper with 250 Mbits Down an 150Mbits Up... and yes, it is Copper!
Yes but it has vectoring.
Fr0zzen it still is 250Mbit... Technology doesn't matter for most people...
+vf fa i have copper and only get 1.5mbs
Danny Billy lel... Where do u live?
vf fa 1.5 MB or 12 mbps and a small as town.
in brazil many ISPs are instaling fiber optic directly to consumers house
Any chance you could inform our stupid government over here in Australia, Linus??? :) God i can't believe we aussies are going to be stuck on copper for the next 20yrs or so.
I KNOW!
20 years? HAHAHAHAHA if Abbott can help it, it will be 50+ years. So short sighted.
So True
Dude...I feel your pain and I'm from Malaysia
Does the Internet suck there too???
love your stuff linus... this was a great watch I actually work for an ISP in Northwest Indiana, small company but we have actually started deploying fiber to the home in some areas and had only a small take mainly due to the fact that our ISP cannot offer TV over fiber yet ( due to a FCC mishap that took place long before i was employed here. but more on your comments about fiber costing more.. that isnt exaclty true. Fiber vs copper in length fiber is actually cheaper due to high rare metal costs. the other cost problem is like you said having a outside plant already made up of copper vs redoing that entire plant in fiber is a huge cost in time, labor and materials. the other major cost is upgrading the equipment that said copper and fiber are ran off of. We are currently using upgradeing all of our (repeater boxs) Litespan equipment to ADTRAN equipment that allows us to increase our output potential. Litespan equipment only allows us to have about a 1Gbs to split between 1-50 people but ADTRAN is allowing us to have 10Gbs to split amongst the same, ADTRAN is still dated but alot better than dial up lol, I do believe that once TV goes to 60% or 70% streamable we will start seeing a more demand for fiber.
Yep it sure did take some time,
fiber connection was made possible in my area in 2020.
My ISP offered a Fibre Optic Broadband connection for US $48.26, Is it cheap or expensive?
Very cheap
If it's Sonic in California, get it. I'm on it and it's mind-blowing fast because it's fiber-to-the-home. Mine is $40 plus taxes and equipment rental.
I could get 50Mb/s for $43.14 and 100Mb/s for $49.67 (200 is 56.21) Yes, this is all fibre.
Under 301+ CLUB! #pcmasterrace
lol!
wooooo
under 301 with FTTH, yay
Hail gaben
Same here
Fiber - $65/month 1gig down; 1gig up NO CAP
Cable - $120/month 120Mb/s down; 5Mb/s up DATA CAP HAHAHAHAHAH
Modem: modulates and demodulates waveform in copper wires and coaxial cables. Carry small number of waveforms .
i use fiber optic internet at a gigabit connection, and yet youtube still has buffering issues.
Speed of light is 300,000 kmps not 200,000!
In vaccum yes. In glass its 200.000 km/s
In mph it's 671,000,000.
Probably the best video i've seen.
Power to your house is actually only partially delivered by copper. The high voltage lines that go to your local transformer are likely aluminium with an iron core. Although alu has a higher resistance, it is much cheaper, and the resistance doesn't matter as much when dealing with high voltage, as the same amount of power can be delivered with a smaller current. The iron core is there to carry weight.
About 3 months ago I decided to connect my house to the local fibre network. I live in a small village (with a population of like 40 people) in the middle of nowhere, but I still have 100/100 Mbit/s here.
The cost to connect our house was $3213, but still worth it.
I pay $43 per month for 100/100 Mbit/s
We need a fresh one on this topic sine fiber is way cheaper than before
8 years later i finally have gotten fiber installed lol
I think I'm almost there! We have a fiber optic company installing fiber in my town. We had a utilities locator company mark up our street a few weeks ago so I think we're getting fiber installed within the next few weeks. Can't wait to finally get rid of Comcast!
In the Netherlands fiber is already rolled out everywere I believe (just 2 years ago), it's really nice but it can be pretty expensive though. Prices are ranging from 40 up to a 100 euro's a month.
Since getting fiber I have not had a single problem conecting with anything involving the internet, it's also great for gaming you will normally always have the strongest conection in whatever lobby.
Great Techquickie as usual, but there are two faults in it. Copper isn't normally used to get power to a home (at least here in Europe, but I think it's like that in the US/Canada too), we use aluminium since it's lighter and cheaper. Copper is used inside a home.
The second you said that fiber is far more expensive pr lenght than copper. This is also not completely through. Fiber is usually less expensive since glass is cheap, it's the equipment on either side of the fibercable that is the expensive part. An expample, I as an electrician can buy a 144 strain singelmode fiber cable for about $10 US pr meter. That's cheap. 2-pair Cat 3 (used into domestic houses here in Norway (one of the most expensive countries on earth) coast just a little more than a 4-strain singelmode fiber.
I have Verizon FIOS for over ten years, and love it. I do not share my bandwidth with my neighbors, and it is secured to my ONT. I have 150Mbs
In the Netherlands we allmost have Fibre everywhere. Exept for the far away little villages maybe.
I would buy fractal design gear over some other options purely because their ads are so entertaining to watch
Finally getting mine next week, hopefully it does what they say it does
According to our local Vodafone technical headquarters it's cheaper to connect a recently built house via fibre, due to the high price of raw copper. But this just applies for cost per meter. Due to the missing fibre backbone its necessary to go over much longer distances and that's made it cost at least an order of an magnitude more expensive than copper. Installing fibre in a small city costs again according to Vodafone about 100€ per meter. Including all necessary costs for earth moving, crossing streets and pavements.
We've had fiber lines to every house for like more than 5 years in Norway now, and now nearly all houses have a direct fiber line.
In our country we have Fiber to house lines. We have a line in our home