You are doing amazing work that no one seems to be doing for the 2ar fe motor and I can't wait to see how far u push this I'll be using your platform to upgrade my 2ar fe for my 2013 Scion tc in hope u succeed
It’ll be going into my AW11. I’d like to try something new that I haven’t seen done yet. Probably wouldn’t make a great track car, but it’ll be fun for the street
@Alex Becker I disagree, i think 205whp in a 2300lb car makes a fantastic track car. So much so that i did it for years: FrankensteinMotorworks.com/2AREB61MKI/IMG_0559.jpg
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Hey good info here! What do you think about mounting a 2AR in my rear wheel 74 Toyota Corolla ! i know its front wheel mounted, what do you think !??
Thank you, I am always concerned about the amount of chopping up i do to these videos but nobody wants to wait while i think and breathe so i chop it all up to condense it as much as possible. Generally where there are cuts it isn't because it's a reshoot of the next sentence, it's just me removing a pause or an "aaaaannnnddddd" or a "soooooo". Even those where they are needed I'll sometimes leave them in there but compress and pitch shift the audio so they are said at a more normal pace. My wife comments that the audio sounds a bit like a Daft Punk video sometimes :)
I think I just learned more than I could handle in the first minute of this video. I came across from the Throtl bois and now I'm feeling way in over my head. And it's awesome. I look forward to your vids now man.
Don't feel overwhelmed, just ask questions! We can't all learn in the dark. Let's all help each other and together we can figure all of this stuff out!
I live in a competitive race city . I drive a 2ar-fe with stock air box and muffler delete . I see the midrange potential and I think this platform can be turbo charged. I was wondering if there was significant differences between this engine and the scion version. Id like to fab a kit using parts for the scion but I’m worried the manifolds won’t match up . Any advice is appreciated
I really do enjoy your how to series on the 2GR, but I love watching you work through engineering problems just as much! Also, want to put this out there again, a video series on how to take apart and put back together a E153 would be so awesome. I'd love to be able to replace synchros or put in an LSD. (Or maybe even change the final.) ...I know, I know, you want to finish the other series first, but I just want to put it out there again. ;-) Thanks for the great video Marc!
Hopefully he's running the newer 290rwhp tune i make. That thing is so damn punchy it's ridiculous. I can't drive that car without having a huge grin pasted on my face.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks This is his brother, I just emailed you a week or so about the new tune. Also, great video. I'm looking forward to seeing more on the 2ar build.
Thanks for sharing. Interesting content. Nice to learn from someone that knows a thing or two and wants to share. Also, thank you for helping me find a wiring fix for water to air system a few months ago. Please make more videos when you have time.
Thank you, it'll be a fun ride. It may go a bit slow though because i will be making the steps slowly and deliberately instead of throwing money at the problem. I expect the engine will be together and running on the dyno in roughly 6 months. Maybe quicker if the stars align.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I can definitely appreciate slow and deliberate -- it's honestly the best way to understand everything as a whole, and on a fundamental level. Looking forward to your future vids!
@@mateuszsawicki8240 molnar has rods, arp has all the fasteners you need and JE has forged pistons in two different compression ratios. The crank is already forged. what else are you looking for?
@@FrankensteinMotorworks wow thanks for the information that’s a lot of help I’m going to run it over with my buddy and I’ll see if I have more questions to ask it’s 335hp on 12psi
Thanks. I looked around at the "real" tools to do this and figured i had enough parts to make this happen by myself. The scale i use for accurate shipping certainly made it much easier. This could also easily be done with a drill press if that's what you had on hand instead of the mill's quill. This kind of stuff isn't about saving $50-200, it's about having fun in the shop while getting the data i need.
@@FrankensteinMotorworkstell me what you think of the TorqAmp, e-turbo from eu. Garbo or nah? Also once you get to the tuning stage I wouldn't mind an instructional for like proof of concept. I'm running rich af rn.
Blew my 1zz a few weeks ago, rod clean thru the block. Mulling over my options, counting my money and gathering opinions from local mechanics and MWR so far, about a swap. Couple of guys here not crazy about either 1zz ( I’m done w those) or 2zz.
I assume you're talking about an MKIII MR2 since that's where most of my viewers are coming from and that you're mentioning MWR. I designed my 2AR-FE install kit to be super easy to do as a first time swap. If you have a bit of space, basic tools plus an engine hoist you should be able to do it by yourself. That said, MWR does fine work if you had them do the work. I don't think they've done a 2AR-FE swap yet but I'm happy to work with Matt to point him in the right direction for a 2AR-FE swap if you want him to do it with my parts.
That seems to be the general consensus so far. So I'll probably make at least a few more of these and see how the audience response is. Most of the 2AR-FE build videos will likely be of this style.
If you can figure it out, I hope you sell the kit or at least a manual on how to get there. A durable 2AR that can put 300 hp to the rear wheels would be ideal, but even one that could put down something around 240-250 hp not sacrificing durability would be awesome.
My goal is to release the info once I figure it out. I'm also considering making a few to resell as built engines depending on demand. but first I have to get it to make the desired power.
other than the oil burning issues these ars are pretty damn good motors. good to see someone trying to modify one also jealous of your shop. i wish i had room for machining tools. but alas. the vehicles take up all my space.. too many engines transmissions and well cars laying around
It's interesting you mention stuff about oil burning. I haven't seen any such issues but the way i use them is different to most. Lots of engines actually really like being run hard on a regular basis, it avoids carbon buildup and keeps the moisture out of the oil. I'm also doing very few cold starts. I've run this motor for 9.5 years but it's probably seen less than 20 starts in below 50F weather.
Frankenstein Motorworks we’ve got loads of them coming in with oil burning issues. Rebuilt a few under warranty. The 10k oil changes seem to be the issue. And not revving them out. Fixed my buddies burning issue (1quart every 500 miles) 1 quart atf, 3.7 qts of good oil. Beat the piss out of it and refilled with good synthetic. No burning anymore.
@@001dman Do you know what the issue generally is? it sounds like the low tension rings might be getting buildup and preventing a good seal. ATF is amazing at removing gunk buildup.
Frankenstein Motorworks it’s been the gas ports on the pistons getting filled with crud. Same issue as the 2az had that had the warranty enhancement for upgraded pistons. At least on the ones I’ve done pistons on. Warranty usually get new short blocks. No TSB yet that I know of. But likely coming.. the 2zr seems to be having burning issues too. But not as common as the Camry/ravs with the 2.5
The frustration that you are going through for advise In aftermarket parts is what I went through when I built my 3MZFE high compression all motor. You want H beam rods for that build. This is why going K is so easy. The aftermarket world is huge. But I’m a fan of different if it doesn’t hurt. Budget
I did end up with H beam rods, those are one of the few parts i have already bought. While some of it is frustrating i'm really looking forward to the end result. I'm just so tired of hearing "k this" and "k that", i want to make something different and make it better.
Any update on the 2AR? I’d love to see a updated build video. I’m extremely interested in the same build you are doing. My goal is around 270-300whp n/a, preferably on 93 octane pump gas. I’m trying to avoid ethanol since my closest E85 station is 1 hour away from me.
That is an 1zzfe crank? And a 2azfe is 2.4l. I’m in the process of building a 2azfe for my scion, I’m porting the heads now, and ordered a single piston that should work and wil give higher compression. If it does work I will order 3 more. I’m trying to do it as cheap as possible, I will run it n/a just to see how how much power I can get out of it, then maybe a small turbo after
I read on a toyotanation forum a while back that you can use the pistons from the hybrid toyota engine. I have no access to one of these to test, but maybe a clue to papadakid dimensions. It's a shame we don't have access to the same parts or info. I'm new to the racing scene but I guess that's a part of it.
I haven't checked out the hybrid pistons, but at this point i'm using the longer stroke crank anyways so those pistons won't fit without custom connecting rods. And yeah, a lot of the difficulty in this is just figuring out what fits where.
Great vids so far man! This is walka from mr2oc who followed along with building a 2gr because of your documentation. Appreciate all the work you put into this. Is this a full time for you?
Walka, thank you for the kind words. Frankenstein Motorworks is currently just a hobby for me, it does make money but nowhere near enough for me to be able to do this full time. But i'm trying a few things to see if i can get further along on the road to this being my full time gig. One big thing is the instructional videos so people see that this stuff isn't hard and the second one is to start showing extra power from these motors. The 2AR is first because the MKIII is what i'm racing right now and it's cheaper to use this as a learning platform.
Subbed because there doesn’t seeem to be anyone else doing anything with this engine and I’m interested. Please give more info on what you end up building if you haven’t already
I actually have talked to Stephan Papadakis a few times. He's actually shared quite a bit of info with me but it's also obvious that he does not have much time to be answering these questions so i don't want to swamp him with questions. I'm going to save my e-mails to him for info that i really can't otherwise get so he does not get tired of me. Also, i can't use the exact rods he's using, he's had the crank modified for 2" rod bearings. I certainly could do the same but i want to use the stock bearings and see how well they work at higher RPM. Who is DP Parts? can you give me more info?
@@FrankensteinMotorworks hehe might have to pay him for his time than! www.dpengineparts.com/ these are the guys... They currently make the best 3sgte internals in my opinion.
I am looking to improve upon my venza, it's a 1ar-fe, so the 2.7L. So you used 1ar crank for 2ar, 2.5L, sweet. So these motors are relatively similar then...? I have hope for at least some horsepower.
Matty, Yeah, the cuts are a bit heavy. I have to get better at saying what i want to say without so many thinking pauses. For example, The raw footage for this video was about 21 minutes long once i brought it down to just the cuts that i wanted and then i was able to trim out another 9 minutes worth of pauses and repeating myself sometimes. I want the information to flow quickly. I want to reduce my editing workload though so i will be doing my best to get it right the first time on recording which will result in less cuts. The other issue i've noticed that makes the cuts a bit obvious is i move so much when i'm on camera. When i'm showing something and not on camera i can cut up the audio way more without cutting the video. Synchronizing the words with when things are pointed to while still speeding things up.
Have there been any problems with this engine, as I'm looking at the Toyota Camry RZ or Atara R XV50 (2011-2019) using the Toyota AR (2AR-FE) 4 Cylinder, 2.5 Litre engine Sports Automatic Transmission & wanted to know if there are any problems I should be aware of?
The motor has small oil channels and can sludge up the ring oil drains if you use conventional oil and do not run the motor hard but the recommended oil for this motor is 0w20 which is not available in synthetic so you can't blame the motor for failing when you're giving it oil that falls outside the recommended spec. Other than that, there are no known weaknesses at this point. That might change over time but we'll have to wait and see.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks What rpm do you rev the engine to and there any other limitations in terms of valve train? I heard Papadakis mention that the rockers falling off become a big issue if you try to rev the engine beyond 7,000 rpm.
Yes, the 2AR-FE is in the 2011+ Scion tC as well as many other Toyotas. They only just recently started to replace it with the new dynamic force engines.
So maybe a stupid question, but why use the 2AR, and not the 2GR? It appears that the 2GR would be the easier option to make those types of numbers? Also the 2GR is arguably the superior platform overall?
From what I've read, the 2GR is a LOT harder to swap into a 3rd gen MR2 than a 2AR, simply because of limited space in the engine bay. I've also heard that the 2AR is just as receptive to modifications as the 2GR, which means that it's not only a better-fitting swap, but also still maintains plenty of potential (even in this vid, our guy says that Papadakis Racing got their 2AR built to 800hp and 1,000hp)
I'm a huge fan of the 2GR, I was the original person to swap it into the MR2 and probably one of the first people to swap it into another car at all, the motor was only a few years old when i did my first swap. While i certainly could have swapped it in there i wanted to make a kit that was easy for people to do a DIY install and the 2GR is way too big to fit in the engine bay so it requires a bunch of body work and/or a custom crossmember to get it in there. DDPR actually makes a mount kit to stuff a 2GR with an E153 in there but just the mounts and the custom crossmember cost $3000. My whole kit including wiring and body controller, shift linkage, air intake tube and whatnot runs a little under $3100. You can do the whole 2AR-FE swap in about two weekends and under $5000 (i can get you in touch with someone that did just that a few weeks ago if you want). With the 2GR You'll have to do a bunch of custom fabrication that is out of reach for most people and even if i would have made the swap parts it would still be a significantly more expensive and more complicated swap. There's also the issue that i think the E series transmission is a bit of a piece of junk. But i certainly could have made a 2GR kit around the EB60 also. The E-Series is super strong but comes short in every other metric, especially in synchro lifespan. So as funny as it is, I'm fighting all the work i did to popularize the 2GR with this 2AR swap. But that's why my stretch goal is reaching 300whp to have one less bullet point to cede to the 2GR and the K20/24 crowd. If i get there it should make it easier and cheaper than both of those swaps. And finally, as odd as it sounds, the 2GR looks like it needs aftermarket parts at about the same horsepower level as the 2AR. The 2AR seems to be a bit tougher from the factory and when you do upgrade it it needs half as many cams, 2 less rods and pistons. And it also leaves way more room for a turbo if you want to go that way. I think for the spyder the 2AR is a clear winner no matter what your power level target is. For the MKII MR2 the 2GR wins out for now but depending on what i manage with the 2AR it may actually make more sense for high power builds to go that way also because a turbo in an 2GR MKII is ridiculously tight packaging.
You are doing amazing work that no one seems to be doing for the 2ar fe motor and I can't wait to see how far u push this I'll be using your platform to upgrade my 2ar fe for my 2013 Scion tc in hope u succeed
Awesome video, I love the data. Getting ready to pick up a 2AR for a build, so I’m going to be watching these frequently.
Awesome, what are you thinking of stuffing it in?
It’ll be going into my AW11. I’d like to try something new that I haven’t seen done yet. Probably wouldn’t make a great track car, but it’ll be fun for the street
@Alex Becker I disagree, i think 205whp in a 2300lb car makes a fantastic track car. So much so that i did it for years: FrankensteinMotorworks.com/2AREB61MKI/IMG_0559.jpg
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Hey good info here! What do you think about mounting a 2AR in my rear wheel 74 Toyota Corolla ! i know its front wheel mounted, what do you think !??
This channel is going to explode, so incredibly helpful. Nice work man.
These videos and how they’re edited, documented and explained are top notch! 👍🏼
Thank you, I am always concerned about the amount of chopping up i do to these videos but nobody wants to wait while i think and breathe so i chop it all up to condense it as much as possible. Generally where there are cuts it isn't because it's a reshoot of the next sentence, it's just me removing a pause or an "aaaaannnnddddd" or a "soooooo". Even those where they are needed I'll sometimes leave them in there but compress and pitch shift the audio so they are said at a more normal pace. My wife comments that the audio sounds a bit like a Daft Punk video sometimes :)
Catching up on all your 2AR content on this account 👍
I think I just learned more than I could handle in the first minute of this video. I came across from the Throtl bois and now I'm feeling way in over my head. And it's awesome. I look forward to your vids now man.
Don't feel overwhelmed, just ask questions! We can't all learn in the dark. Let's all help each other and together we can figure all of this stuff out!
I live in a competitive race city . I drive a 2ar-fe with stock air box and muffler delete . I see the midrange potential and I think this platform can be turbo charged. I was wondering if there was significant differences between this engine and the scion version. Id like to fab a kit using parts for the scion but I’m worried the manifolds won’t match up . Any advice is appreciated
Great work, I always enjoy learning something new that is grounded in facts and figures. Will be along with the ride.
Thank you, i appreciate the support and the views.
I really do enjoy your how to series on the 2GR, but I love watching you work through engineering problems just as much! Also, want to put this out there again, a video series on how to take apart and put back together a E153 would be so awesome. I'd love to be able to replace synchros or put in an LSD. (Or maybe even change the final.) ...I know, I know, you want to finish the other series first, but I just want to put it out there again. ;-) Thanks for the great video Marc!
That's definitely the kind of thing i would record if i was doing one. I don't know when i'll have the need to do that but we'll see.
Great video and great products. My brothers 2GR 2nd gen build is nuts!
Hopefully he's running the newer 290rwhp tune i make. That thing is so damn punchy it's ridiculous. I can't drive that car without having a huge grin pasted on my face.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks This is his brother, I just emailed you a week or so about the new tune. Also, great video. I'm looking forward to seeing more on the 2ar build.
Thanks for sharing. Interesting content. Nice to learn from someone that knows a thing or two and wants to share. Also, thank you for helping me find a wiring fix for water to air system a few months ago. Please make more videos when you have time.
I definitely enjoyed this kind of insight! Looking forward to learning along with you :)
Thank you, it'll be a fun ride. It may go a bit slow though because i will be making the steps slowly and deliberately instead of throwing money at the problem. I expect the engine will be together and running on the dyno in roughly 6 months. Maybe quicker if the stars align.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I can definitely appreciate slow and deliberate -- it's honestly the best way to understand everything as a whole, and on a fundamental level. Looking forward to your future vids!
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I have a turboed 2012 scion tc has the 2AR how can i build internals I cant find anything
@@mateuszsawicki8240 molnar has rods, arp has all the fasteners you need and JE has forged pistons in two different compression ratios. The crank is already forged. what else are you looking for?
@@FrankensteinMotorworks wow thanks for the information that’s a lot of help I’m going to run it over with my buddy and I’ll see if I have more questions to ask it’s 335hp on 12psi
I really like that spring measuring set up, well done
Thanks. I looked around at the "real" tools to do this and figured i had enough parts to make this happen by myself. The scale i use for accurate shipping certainly made it much easier. This could also easily be done with a drill press if that's what you had on hand instead of the mill's quill. This kind of stuff isn't about saving $50-200, it's about having fun in the shop while getting the data i need.
that's exactly why I like we had to build a quick test rig to figure out the force profile of a gas spring and it looked pretty similar.
Very good video. Can't wait to see more on the 2AR build
*taps arm vein* oh yes, that's the good 2ar stuff!!
keep it coming mark!!
Nice :)
@@FrankensteinMotorworkstell me what you think of the TorqAmp, e-turbo from eu. Garbo or nah? Also once you get to the tuning stage I wouldn't mind an instructional for like proof of concept. I'm running rich af rn.
Blew my 1zz a few weeks ago, rod clean thru the block. Mulling over my options, counting my money and gathering opinions from local mechanics and MWR so far, about a swap. Couple of guys here not crazy about either 1zz ( I’m done w those) or 2zz.
I assume you're talking about an MKIII MR2 since that's where most of my viewers are coming from and that you're mentioning MWR. I designed my 2AR-FE install kit to be super easy to do as a first time swap. If you have a bit of space, basic tools plus an engine hoist you should be able to do it by yourself. That said, MWR does fine work if you had them do the work. I don't think they've done a 2AR-FE swap yet but I'm happy to work with Matt to point him in the right direction for a 2AR-FE swap if you want him to do it with my parts.
Def interested in finding out more about that swap. I’ll email you later today. Thanks!
great yes please do more like these 👍
That seems to be the general consensus so far. So I'll probably make at least a few more of these and see how the audience response is. Most of the 2AR-FE build videos will likely be of this style.
If you can figure it out, I hope you sell the kit or at least a manual on how to get there. A durable 2AR that can put 300 hp to the rear wheels would be ideal, but even one that could put down something around 240-250 hp not sacrificing durability would be awesome.
My goal is to release the info once I figure it out. I'm also considering making a few to resell as built engines depending on demand. but first I have to get it to make the desired power.
other than the oil burning issues these ars are pretty damn good motors. good to see someone trying to modify one
also jealous of your shop. i wish i had room for machining tools. but alas. the vehicles take up all my space.. too many engines transmissions and well cars laying around
It's interesting you mention stuff about oil burning. I haven't seen any such issues but the way i use them is different to most. Lots of engines actually really like being run hard on a regular basis, it avoids carbon buildup and keeps the moisture out of the oil. I'm also doing very few cold starts. I've run this motor for 9.5 years but it's probably seen less than 20 starts in below 50F weather.
Frankenstein Motorworks we’ve got loads of them coming in with oil burning issues. Rebuilt a few under warranty. The 10k oil changes seem to be the issue. And not revving them out. Fixed my buddies burning issue (1quart every 500 miles) 1 quart atf, 3.7 qts of good oil. Beat the piss out of it and refilled with good synthetic. No burning anymore.
@@001dman Do you know what the issue generally is? it sounds like the low tension rings might be getting buildup and preventing a good seal. ATF is amazing at removing gunk buildup.
Frankenstein Motorworks it’s been the gas ports on the pistons getting filled with crud. Same issue as the 2az had that had the warranty enhancement for upgraded pistons.
At least on the ones I’ve done pistons on. Warranty usually get new short blocks. No TSB yet that I know of. But likely coming.. the 2zr seems to be having burning issues too. But not as common as the Camry/ravs with the 2.5
The frustration that you are going through for advise In aftermarket parts is what I went through when I built my 3MZFE high compression all motor. You want H beam rods for that build. This is why going K is so easy. The aftermarket world is huge. But I’m a fan of different if it doesn’t hurt. Budget
I did end up with H beam rods, those are one of the few parts i have already bought. While some of it is frustrating i'm really looking forward to the end result. I'm just so tired of hearing "k this" and "k that", i want to make something different and make it better.
Hopefully the gains are awesome with the cost
Any update on the 2AR? I’d love to see a updated build video. I’m extremely interested in the same build you are doing. My goal is around 270-300whp n/a, preferably on 93 octane pump gas. I’m trying to avoid ethanol since my closest E85 station is 1 hour away from me.
So much great information you deff earned my sub n like. very intelligent and easy explanations and understanding!
That is an 1zzfe crank?
And a 2azfe is 2.4l.
I’m in the process of building a 2azfe for my scion, I’m porting the heads now, and ordered a single piston that should work and wil give higher compression. If it does work I will order 3 more. I’m trying to do it as cheap as possible, I will run it n/a just to see how how much power I can get out of it, then maybe a small turbo after
I read on a toyotanation forum a while back that you can use the pistons from the hybrid toyota engine. I have no access to one of these to test, but maybe a clue to papadakid dimensions. It's a shame we don't have access to the same parts or info. I'm new to the racing scene but I guess that's a part of it.
I haven't checked out the hybrid pistons, but at this point i'm using the longer stroke crank anyways so those pistons won't fit without custom connecting rods. And yeah, a lot of the difficulty in this is just figuring out what fits where.
Great vids so far man! This is walka from mr2oc who followed along with building a 2gr because of your documentation. Appreciate all the work you put into this. Is this a full time for you?
Walka, thank you for the kind words. Frankenstein Motorworks is currently just a hobby for me, it does make money but nowhere near enough for me to be able to do this full time. But i'm trying a few things to see if i can get further along on the road to this being my full time gig. One big thing is the instructional videos so people see that this stuff isn't hard and the second one is to start showing extra power from these motors. The 2AR is first because the MKIII is what i'm racing right now and it's cheaper to use this as a learning platform.
Subbed because there doesn’t seeem to be anyone else doing anything with this engine and I’m interested. Please give more info on what you end up building if you haven’t already
All the discoveries will get posted on the channel but there's also a discord if you want to discuss it in deeper detail: discord.gg/hSFWcG5Z
Thanks for making this🎉
this was a awesome video i learned alot
do you know the dimensions of the head studs for the 2ar I am trying to forge the engine and get ARP studs
enjoyed the video keep em coming
Nice work dude!
Can you talk about advantages of a 2AR vs a 2ZZ for the 3rd gen MR2?
Why not asking pappadakis himself for the pistons and rods? or DP parts in greece...they are awseome
I actually have talked to Stephan Papadakis a few times. He's actually shared quite a bit of info with me but it's also obvious that he does not have much time to be answering these questions so i don't want to swamp him with questions. I'm going to save my e-mails to him for info that i really can't otherwise get so he does not get tired of me.
Also, i can't use the exact rods he's using, he's had the crank modified for 2" rod bearings. I certainly could do the same but i want to use the stock bearings and see how well they work at higher RPM.
Who is DP Parts? can you give me more info?
@@FrankensteinMotorworks hehe might have to pay him for his time than! www.dpengineparts.com/ these are the guys... They currently make the best 3sgte internals in my opinion.
I am looking to improve upon my venza, it's a 1ar-fe, so the 2.7L. So you used 1ar crank for 2ar, 2.5L, sweet. So these motors are relatively similar then...? I have hope for at least some horsepower.
All about that lift
I was wondering if you would tune an Automatic 2012 scion tC ecu if i shipped it in. also what is the octane you were running with the tune.
Great video mate,just watch that there's not too many cuts as it gets quite tiresome
Matty, Yeah, the cuts are a bit heavy. I have to get better at saying what i want to say without so many thinking pauses. For example, The raw footage for this video was about 21 minutes long once i brought it down to just the cuts that i wanted and then i was able to trim out another 9 minutes worth of pauses and repeating myself sometimes. I want the information to flow quickly. I want to reduce my editing workload though so i will be doing my best to get it right the first time on recording which will result in less cuts. The other issue i've noticed that makes the cuts a bit obvious is i move so much when i'm on camera. When i'm showing something and not on camera i can cut up the audio way more without cutting the video. Synchronizing the words with when things are pointed to while still speeding things up.
I like these kinds of videos. 🍍
Have there been any problems with this engine, as I'm looking at the Toyota Camry RZ or Atara R XV50 (2011-2019) using the Toyota AR (2AR-FE) 4 Cylinder, 2.5 Litre engine
Sports Automatic Transmission
& wanted to know if there are any problems I should be aware of?
The motor has small oil channels and can sludge up the ring oil drains if you use conventional oil and do not run the motor hard but the recommended oil for this motor is 0w20 which is not available in synthetic so you can't blame the motor for failing when you're giving it oil that falls outside the recommended spec. Other than that, there are no known weaknesses at this point. That might change over time but we'll have to wait and see.
What was the solution you came up with for the lash adjusters?
I haven't had to do anything to them, the OEM ones as long as they have at least 30,000 miles or so seem to work really well.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks What rpm do you rev the engine to and there any other limitations in terms of valve train? I heard Papadakis mention that the rockers falling off become a big issue if you try to rev the engine beyond 7,000 rpm.
Same motor thats in a 2011+ scion tc??
Yes, the 2AR-FE is in the 2011+ Scion tC as well as many other Toyotas. They only just recently started to replace it with the new dynamic force engines.
So maybe a stupid question, but why use the 2AR, and not the 2GR? It appears that the 2GR would be the easier option to make those types of numbers?
Also the 2GR is arguably the superior platform overall?
From what I've read, the 2GR is a LOT harder to swap into a 3rd gen MR2 than a 2AR, simply because of limited space in the engine bay. I've also heard that the 2AR is just as receptive to modifications as the 2GR, which means that it's not only a better-fitting swap, but also still maintains plenty of potential (even in this vid, our guy says that Papadakis Racing got their 2AR built to 800hp and 1,000hp)
I'm a huge fan of the 2GR, I was the original person to swap it into the MR2 and probably one of the first people to swap it into another car at all, the motor was only a few years old when i did my first swap. While i certainly could have swapped it in there i wanted to make a kit that was easy for people to do a DIY install and the 2GR is way too big to fit in the engine bay so it requires a bunch of body work and/or a custom crossmember to get it in there. DDPR actually makes a mount kit to stuff a 2GR with an E153 in there but just the mounts and the custom crossmember cost $3000. My whole kit including wiring and body controller, shift linkage, air intake tube and whatnot runs a little under $3100. You can do the whole 2AR-FE swap in about two weekends and under $5000 (i can get you in touch with someone that did just that a few weeks ago if you want). With the 2GR You'll have to do a bunch of custom fabrication that is out of reach for most people and even if i would have made the swap parts it would still be a significantly more expensive and more complicated swap.
There's also the issue that i think the E series transmission is a bit of a piece of junk. But i certainly could have made a 2GR kit around the EB60 also. The E-Series is super strong but comes short in every other metric, especially in synchro lifespan.
So as funny as it is, I'm fighting all the work i did to popularize the 2GR with this 2AR swap. But that's why my stretch goal is reaching 300whp to have one less bullet point to cede to the 2GR and the K20/24 crowd. If i get there it should make it easier and cheaper than both of those swaps.
And finally, as odd as it sounds, the 2GR looks like it needs aftermarket parts at about the same horsepower level as the 2AR. The 2AR seems to be a bit tougher from the factory and when you do upgrade it it needs half as many cams, 2 less rods and pistons. And it also leaves way more room for a turbo if you want to go that way.
I think for the spyder the 2AR is a clear winner no matter what your power level target is. For the MKII MR2 the 2GR wins out for now but depending on what i manage with the 2AR it may actually make more sense for high power builds to go that way also because a turbo in an 2GR MKII is ridiculously tight packaging.
I have the 2arfe swap in my Spyder, and it has plenty of power at 205 whp.