Like some other people have said a cane creek zs49 top cap + making sure the plastic compression ring is install in the right direction solves this issue. Thickest part of the ring should point back towards the saddle. I don't shred as hard as you but no issues so far! Side note they had metal compression rings before but they caused a bunch of issues and headset rattle so they changed to these plastic ones.
@@taylorwillick4273 Yeah blowing the whole headset up is definitely better than having a bit of creeking 😂 I love canyon, but I think they miscalculated a bit with the plastic headset components xD
What wrong? He just goes hard, pros crack frames as well, yt's/santa's etc. The industry is just full of jizz thats it. He wouldn't have a problem with a Karpiel.
20 year industry vet here, so tired of these cheesy adjustable headsets that come loose, crack the frame, etc. If the headset loosens up (which they do all the time), then the bearings and cups are shifting in the carbon. It should be an industry requirement that all carbon frames use proper press-in cups. If they want adjustability, use a 56/56 ZS setup for maximum space. The customer can then buy options from Works Components, etc if they want a different reach or head angle.
I have a Geometron G1, I've not broken anything on it. did not even change bearings, and I hd the bike since I built it in late 2019. I have a Chris King headset, still smooth. I'm sure it will last for decades. No plastic parts, there's a metal compression ring, proper cover. I've had Hope Enduro wheels on, no issues with those, now DT Swiss 350 with DT rims. no issues with the hub apart from it stopping working during sub zero temps sometimes, ratchet jamming up in the freehub, so it disengages. So I want something else, maybe I should use oil instead of DT Swiss special grease during the winter. I've never had issues with Pro 4 hub. I've had it happen on a cheap Shimano hub, it could not handle -10C, but that was pure junk. But I had Fox 36 fork on the G1, it was preowned by a suspension mechanic guy, then I had it for few months, creaked horribly, under braking, drops it sounded like I snapped the fork in half, and turning was like riding on twigs. Now I have EXT Era, no such issues.
I’m convinced 99% of bikes are made for 60% of riders these days. I’m on my 3rd frame this year with no obvious crash. I know I’m not alone. Pros aren’t the only ones. Cheers for the honest video, I know many people don’t publicize this stuff. 💯
Mate is onto his 3rd Trek Slash in two years. We ride pretty tame trials and I'm on a bike 1/4 of the price. I just don't think they put enough carbon in these things.
I follow your chanel and love that you put all these bikes to test under your hands and legs. It's just real confrontation between commercial and what the bike can actually handle. Loving your content this season 🎉
All the internet mechanics here claiming it broke because of the double crown😂 Yea it must not have anything to do with the fact that the compression ring is PLASTIC!😅 And yes, this happened to me with single crown as well. Nothing to do with the fork.
The plastic top cap is at fault. Its just dumb that theyve tried to use a plastic part here. Canecreek zs49 top headset - top cap only - is the part you need.
Bummer mate, however, Enduro frame with a downhill fork? I would think Canyon might tell you that it's maybe at your risk? That being the case though I would think the frame is well strong enough, you just toast your warranty. By a Santa Cruz V10 if you really need a full downhill rig and leave those Enduro bikes as they are. That Canyon is more than capable with that single crown 38.
MY FW Canyon Spectral was dented on ride 1, it was aluminium, but I contacted Canyon and they sent me a new frame free of charge as a gesture of good will ( This was about a month ago) The service is incredible, Hope you get it sorted!
@@craigmoran5238not sure if we watched the same thing he rated how nice this bike and the trek rode but they have had issue same with the evil he rated how nice it rode but he snapped it like if you don't like his content then don't watch it's that easy
I dont think it really is canyons fault since it seems like the frame is not rated for 200mm fork. Plus it wasnt the frame that failed but the headset. Edit: turns out you can put a 200mm fork on it no problem so I was wrong
Talked to the guy from my local shop about the slash chain thing, and he has not gotten any negative feedback from customers. Now this.. dont think the bikes or the “big manufacturers” are the problem here ..
@@lucamuller6729spot on. Bloke just slaps his sponsors parts on. Fork, more travel than rated. Shock on the trek, longer than rated. But let’s not tell everyone that 🤫
I've heard lots of storys of the plastic adjustable headset of the Spectral CF and the Torque CF failing... I think that the only problem with the cf models are the weird plastic headset components... If it wasn't for the headset, I would've gotten the carbon torque too.
What’s with all these comments talking shit? You’re criticizing one of the best riders in the world arguably because he gets flats and mechanical issues? Same people will never ride a tenth as well as Louis. TH-cam and social media have made people far too comfortable running thier mouths. You would never in real life. You would probably be a groupie and ask for a pic for your wife and an autograph 😂
Maaan, the bike gods are against you!! Maybe you should try the specialized Enduro frame next 🤭🤭, i will buy it from you if u dont like it ;) size S3 plz 🙏🏻. So is the cayon rideable with that broken frame? Do you think the dh fork put to much stress on the compressionrings? It must increase the load on the headsets when going from 170 to 200 up front. So enduro frame next up 🤗🤷♂️
For some reasons the riding footage had weird colour areas, blue, purple, green, rectangles and squares too, like weird compression. Maybe it's TH-cam that changed the compression to ruin 4k videos too. Maybe you used compression settings n editing software. Something was wrong.
The bike industry badly needs an "iOS 12 update" (which focused on performance and stability instead of shiny new features). A $5K+ product with all the new bells and whistles that breaks after normal use is just not acceptable in most consumers minds, BECAUSE of the high price. Price matters, as much as the industry wants to ignore that. Nobody batts an eye at the thousands of clapped out Capras out there for this reason. (how many of those are broken frames though?) This channel is a testament to the industry just chasing trends instead of improving reliability and longevity (which they would if they actually cared about the climate)
It looks like you’re still using the original lower headset bearing designed for a tapered steerer with your 1 1/8th triple clamp steerer… unless you installed some kind of reducer crown race then that probably has something to do with it 😂
14:46 It's absurd that it's plastic. Looks like its compression ring and steerer spacer in one, making things tighter, so fork does not wiggle if headset is loose or you take the stem off. But I rather take regular compression ring made of metal. Same with the plastic cover. Releasing a bike with such flaw is absurd.
Wow can't believe how many people are commenting about that double crown fork, his fault bla bla without even knowing!? If you dont know, at least do a little google search or something before saying something stupid! Come on! 😅 Really surprised to see you coming in Quebec but yeah, probably had the same treatment as Remy and had more quad lift than pedaling lol apart from MSA and Massif, you have to pedal everywhere here. 😊 Cant wait to see your videos!!
I had a friend I rode with who was brutal on equipment. We rode the same terrain, similar weight, and similar speed. But he would go through parts at 3 times the rate of me and broke almost every frame he ever had. I broke a few admittedly too. 😅
I can't mentally wrap my mind around frame components or heads snapping for the price you guys pay for these things. Manufacturers really need to de-ass their heads and add the proper amount of reinforcement. If the weight difference can be offset by taking a morning dump after your coffee, then it isn't worth skimping on.
It’s all these shit plastic parts they insist on using on bike that cost more than £10k it’s a joke! I’ve warranted my acros headset twice and now swapped to Hope 🤞🏻
@@LewisBuchanan buddy, I like you, I like your videos, I'm just saying that you could have had a different thumbnail that doesn't suggest that a canyon frame snapped. Ask 15 people what snapped, everyone will say the frame first. Just my 2 cents, it builds a negative outlook for a company that has not put out a bad product here.
I mean there is a bad product. The place piece inside the headtube that’s part of the headset is PLASTIC! And it broke!!! Therefore it’s not great. A bunch of people have also broke this piece. 😊
The first thing I did to my Spectral 125 CF is fix the headset issue. The plastic compression ring, spacers and cap are just a horrible choice for the way people are riding these bikes. I found someone from the UK on a Canyon Spectral FB group that machined a proper compression ring and allows for a 40/52mm top bearing to be used instead of the stock 42/52 it came with. So much better!
it's absurd for any bike. But I'm not surprised there are stupid things in the bike industry. I've for a long time. But never seen stupidity in headsets like this.
Man those acros headsets suck. They're just not strong enough for double crown forks, i've seen alot of failed ones. And even the headset on my canyon stoic creaks a lot.
Ill be honest. Either you have the worst luck imaginable or its you. These things are put through thousands of hours of stress tests but you’re managing to break them within a few hours.
I had this issue as I have a tapered head tube and a straight Ohlins Crown, in my case my crown race failed so my forks were pressed against the head tube. I changed my crown race to a hope crown race reducer and hope bearing and had no issues since
My Merida One Sixty 600, model 2018, came with Maxxis Minion DHR 27,5X2,40 on both wheels and i changed the back tire with Schwalbe Magic Mary, Super Gravity. Best tire i ever had on my mtb 👍
There is/was a version of the torque called the Torque DH CLLCTV that ran a 190mm dual crown up front. I feel like running a 200mm wouldn’t be much of an issue
The torque Al can take a 190mm dual crown but unfortunately the cf models cannot. Pretty unfortunate cus that rig w a dual crown would be a park MACHINE!
The frame is rated for a 200mm dual crown fork, I don't know where the information about the carbon frames not being able to handle a 200mm comes from... And even if they shouldn't be ran with a 200mm dual crown, that to me is no reason for the bike to break. Doesn't put that much more stress on it that it should snap on the first ride lol
@@ironeinarIt actually does. A 200mm fork slackens the head angle significantly and puts more stress on the headtube, especially when you are jumping things to flat. This is why frames have max fork travel ratings.
The way headsets on the newer Canyons are done is really poor. Replaced the one on my Spectral too after it started to make noise after 3 rides. Also replaced the plastic spacers and the stem as well. No issues since then (2 years)
Have you seen the Lewis brakes? they look interesting, since you already test stuff, have you considered trying those? They look like Trickstuff brakes but with added features, and improvements. easier bleed. one model even has leverage adjustment, which I've never seen.
The arcos plastic compression ring is junk. I've broken 2 of them on my 2022 spectral 29er both when I was mid high speed run. Super dangerous. Went back to the original block alloy spacer. Luckily it didn't damage my frame though.
I had the same issue with my canyon torque f w in the same bike park my compression ring shattered . Canyon sent me a new head set kit out straight away no questions . So there is a problem canyon need to sort it out . But I have to said it’s an awesome, Bike
After a few years , now I know for sure, Angle Adjusting headsets are BS😜👍 Buy your bike just with the right steering angle, and don't risk weakness in a place, where usually is no space to " break around" if every part is round 😁👍‼️
When I went to service the headset on one of my bikes, I found a wad of paint scrapings (from the factory facing the headtube) bunched up under one side of the lower bearing, causing uneven steering. I have had the lower cup of a Cane Creek 40 headset shear, looked rather like your failure here. Replaced it with a CC 110. Glad the bike was not damaged, but after cracking the frame on a steel hardtail, and two aluminum full suspension bikes, I am not interested in a carbon bike... (edit because it posted before I was done writing)
A friend of mine (who is 13) blew his headset on his Spectral CF exactly the same way on his first bikepark day... Then he got a new headset from some other manufacturer, gotta ask him which next time I see him, and put some 180mm Factory 38s and a Factory Float X2 on the bike lol Didn't even know that the X2 is made with the right stroke to fit the spectral lol
Yooo Lewis I have a question, I'm about to buy a new pair of tires for my MTB and I'm curious to try a new tire brand What do you recommend for slippery surfaces, counter-slopes, cracked surfaces and which remains pedalable enough?Compounds and carcasses. I see you're using delium. I hope you can give me some advice. Your opinion matters a lot to me and the terrain you ride on is very similar to mine. Thanks and happy shredding🤟🏻
Honestly, I have a friend who sent his Canyon Torque back to Canyon 2 times due to excessive linkage play, that developed within 2 weeks. He received a new one every time. After that, he immediately sold the bike.
Yes, it can happen when you stick a much longer DC fork into a frame designed for a SC fork with a specific limit of axle to crown length. The increased load through the bigger leverage ratio can actually, in a worst case scenario, rip the entire head tube off and send you to the ICU. Luckily, only that cup blew up.
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I’ve done 5 compression rings my by torque 😊
Seems like it’s just not me folks😂😂
Like some other people have said a cane creek zs49 top cap + making sure the plastic compression ring is install in the right direction solves this issue. Thickest part of the ring should point back towards the saddle. I don't shred as hard as you but no issues so far!
Side note they had metal compression rings before but they caused a bunch of issues and headset rattle so they changed to these plastic ones.
@@taylorwillick4273 Yeah blowing the whole headset up is definitely better than having a bit of creeking 😂
I love canyon, but I think they miscalculated a bit with the plastic headset components xD
Just done the exact same thing today at Dirt Farm on my Torque. That piece of plastic does not belong in a Cat 5 bike. WTF Canyon
zs49 cap solves this.
Mate I love your stuff but I'm starting to think the problem is you haha, you break bikes like no one else lmao
No, its the typical problem with canyon torque with dh forks. The headset brakes loose. Seen alot of those break
I kinda like this. We make requests for Lewis to test the durability of.
Because bikes are built so cheap and nasty these days can’t believe ppl can’t c what what is happening maybe u just refuse to accept it 😂🤣🫠🐑
@@118pickle Meanwhile, my S Works Enduro dating 06 is still going strong. ;) M5 Aluminum
@@sankaplays3098 exactly don’t make them like they used to
You have a problem with every bike ever and most are great bikes I love your videos but respectfully your unlucky or doing something wrong
What wrong? He just goes hard, pros crack frames as well, yt's/santa's etc. The industry is just full of jizz thats it. He wouldn't have a problem with a Karpiel.
That's what happens when you buy a bike from a marketing company 🌶️🌶️🌶️🌶️
20 year industry vet here, so tired of these cheesy adjustable headsets that come loose, crack the frame, etc. If the headset loosens up (which they do all the time), then the bearings and cups are shifting in the carbon. It should be an industry requirement that all carbon frames use proper press-in cups. If they want adjustability, use a 56/56 ZS setup for maximum space. The customer can then buy options from Works Components, etc if they want a different reach or head angle.
That's an extra cost, component, labour and QC check though. It also prelongs the frame life which is bad
You nailed it. Expensive frames that come with cheap headset are a huge FAIL in the industry!!
I bought a Norco and blew out the freehub on the first ride. Things break no matter what brand it is when yah shred.
Facts
I've had 4 crashes on my stumpjumper evo alloy and no issues yet thankfully.
I have a Geometron G1, I've not broken anything on it. did not even change bearings, and I hd the bike since I built it in late 2019. I have a Chris King headset, still smooth. I'm sure it will last for decades. No plastic parts, there's a metal compression ring, proper cover. I've had Hope Enduro wheels on, no issues with those, now DT Swiss 350 with DT rims. no issues with the hub apart from it stopping working during sub zero temps sometimes, ratchet jamming up in the freehub, so it disengages. So I want something else, maybe I should use oil instead of DT Swiss special grease during the winter. I've never had issues with Pro 4 hub. I've had it happen on a cheap Shimano hub, it could not handle -10C, but that was pure junk.
But I had Fox 36 fork on the G1, it was preowned by a suspension mechanic guy, then I had it for few months, creaked horribly, under braking, drops it sounded like I snapped the fork in half, and turning was like riding on twigs. Now I have EXT Era, no such issues.
I’m convinced 99% of bikes are made for 60% of riders these days. I’m on my 3rd frame this year with no obvious crash. I know I’m not alone. Pros aren’t the only ones. Cheers for the honest video, I know many people don’t publicize this stuff. 💯
Maybe you should buy the $20,000.00 bike instead of just the $10,000.00, lol.
@@EndoftheBlock7224 I don’t think increased price means increased durability… often it’s the opposite once a certain price point is reached. 😬
Mate is onto his 3rd Trek Slash in two years. We ride pretty tame trials and I'm on a bike 1/4 of the price. I just don't think they put enough carbon in these things.
I follow your chanel and love that you put all these bikes to test under your hands and legs. It's just real confrontation between commercial and what the bike can actually handle. Loving your content this season 🎉
Thanks a bunch
All the internet mechanics here claiming it broke because of the double crown😂 Yea it must not have anything to do with the fact that the compression ring is PLASTIC!😅 And yes, this happened to me with single crown as well. Nothing to do with the fork.
Basically plastic is a no-go on anything meant for offroading. They'll just have to suck it up and deal with metal rattles
Is it not caused from running 30mm more than the designed travel in the front for did you do other changes to compensate ?
No it’s a design flaw my mate has the same and it happened to him
If he is actually running 30mm more than the frame was designed for, thats what caused it alongside the cup not being press fit.
The bike has a 180mm double crown. Design flaw.
The plastic top cap is at fault. Its just dumb that theyve tried to use a plastic part here. Canecreek zs49 top headset - top cap only - is the part you need.
What travel is the fork at. Because if its 200mm then of course it broke. If you over-fork so much, the bike will break.
man next year I am coming to Wales and riding bike park wales and Dify Bike Park. So excited.
CLICKBAIT!
😂😂😂😂 it’s not. But ok. If you watch the video you’ll actually see what snapped.
You can see it if you look closely
Bummer mate, however, Enduro frame with a downhill fork? I would think Canyon might tell you that it's maybe at your risk? That being the case though I would think the frame is well strong enough, you just toast your warranty. By a Santa Cruz V10 if you really need a full downhill rig and leave those Enduro bikes as they are. That Canyon is more than capable with that single crown 38.
They sell a torque with a dual crown though
@@owenbirch6188the one they sell with a dual crown is alloy though
MY FW Canyon Spectral was dented on ride 1, it was aluminium, but I contacted Canyon and they sent me a new frame free of charge as a gesture of good will ( This was about a month ago) The service is incredible, Hope you get it sorted!
You should get an Orbea
When you promote pr9nography shit happens
There's tons of complaints about all the plastic crap canyon use for headset & spacers, bikes rip other than that
i hope everything is 100% ok with the bike cuz the luck youve had is outlandish keep shreddin!!!
This was not actually bad luck, it's bad desgn, Most of these headsets seem to break right away.
At some point you maybe need to think about whether it's the bike or the rider
@@craigmoran5238not sure if we watched the same thing he rated how nice this bike and the trek rode but they have had issue same with the evil he rated how nice it rode but he snapped it like if you don't like his content then don't watch it's that easy
@@craigmoran5238 It is called an honest subjective opinion based on his direct experience.
Yeah go somewhere else and “moan” if you don’t like my stuff lol 😂😂😂
Thanks!
The harder you ride, the more shit you’re gonna break. Maybe he’s just by far a better rider than you’ll ever be
Jeez no surprise no bike brand will sponsor this guy 😂. Breaks bikes for a living
😂 make parts that done breAk then
no brand makes good products really i think is the issue... as Mr aston found out... bikes are shit.
I dont think it really is canyons fault since it seems like the frame is not rated for 200mm fork. Plus it wasnt the frame that failed but the headset.
Edit: turns out you can put a 200mm fork on it no problem so I was wrong
Canyon sell the mullet Torque with a DH fork. The Torque DH CLLCTV.
Talked to the guy from my local shop about the slash chain thing, and he has not gotten any negative feedback from customers. Now this.. dont think the bikes or the “big manufacturers” are the problem here ..
@@lucamuller6729spot on. Bloke just slaps his sponsors parts on. Fork, more travel than rated. Shock on the trek, longer than rated. But let’s not tell everyone that 🤫
Thats not true, canyon themselves even state on their website that you can put a 200mm dual crown fork on the torque no problem...
I've heard lots of storys of the plastic adjustable headset of the Spectral CF and the Torque CF failing... I think that the only problem with the cf models are the weird plastic headset components... If it wasn't for the headset, I would've gotten the carbon torque too.
If it wasn't for bad luck!
Just glad you didn't have that bad juju at Tour de Gnar. You killed it there mate!
Thanks
What’s with all these comments talking shit? You’re criticizing one of the best riders in the world arguably because he gets flats and mechanical issues? Same people will never ride a tenth as well as Louis. TH-cam and social media have made people far too comfortable running thier mouths. You would never in real life. You would probably be a groupie and ask for a pic for your wife and an autograph 😂
Maaan, the bike gods are against you!!
Maybe you should try the specialized Enduro frame next 🤭🤭, i will buy it from you if u dont like it ;) size S3 plz 🙏🏻.
So is the cayon rideable with that broken frame? Do you think the dh fork put to much stress on the compressionrings? It must increase the load on the headsets when going from 170 to 200 up front.
So enduro frame next up 🤗🤷♂️
For some reasons the riding footage had weird colour areas, blue, purple, green, rectangles and squares too, like weird compression. Maybe it's TH-cam that changed the compression to ruin 4k videos too. Maybe you used compression settings n editing software. Something was wrong.
The bike industry badly needs an "iOS 12 update" (which focused on performance and stability instead of shiny new features). A $5K+ product with all the new bells and whistles that breaks after normal use is just not acceptable in most consumers minds, BECAUSE of the high price. Price matters, as much as the industry wants to ignore that. Nobody batts an eye at the thousands of clapped out Capras out there for this reason. (how many of those are broken frames though?) This channel is a testament to the industry just chasing trends instead of improving reliability and longevity (which they would if they actually cared about the climate)
ok look, im no carb fan but this would happend on any '"frame" with that case.
naw aluminum or steel would have been fine, just replace headset.
It looks like you’re still using the original lower headset bearing designed for a tapered steerer with your 1 1/8th triple clamp steerer… unless you installed some kind of reducer crown race then that probably has something to do with it 😂
14:46 It's absurd that it's plastic. Looks like its compression ring and steerer spacer in one, making things tighter, so fork does not wiggle if headset is loose or you take the stem off. But I rather take regular compression ring made of metal. Same with the plastic cover.
Releasing a bike with such flaw is absurd.
Wow can't believe how many people are commenting about that double crown fork, his fault bla bla without even knowing!? If you dont know, at least do a little google search or something before saying something stupid! Come on! 😅
Really surprised to see you coming in Quebec but yeah, probably had the same treatment as Remy and had more quad lift than pedaling lol apart from MSA and Massif, you have to pedal everywhere here. 😊 Cant wait to see your videos!!
If I see a bike and think “wow, that’s cheap”
And then realise it’s carbon. I walk away.
Structural composites are rarely cheap.
Its a diet you need to many broken things to be the bike's.....hahaaa JIST JOKING
ladies and gentlemen, welcome to canyon
Integrated headset and pressfit BB.. Yikes. Wouldn't touch a Canyon.
Bro why do you have only f4ns written everywhere? Somebody explain?
I had a friend I rode with who was brutal on equipment. We rode the same terrain, similar weight, and similar speed. But he would go through parts at 3 times the rate of me and broke almost every frame he ever had. I broke a few admittedly too. 😅
I can't mentally wrap my mind around frame components or heads snapping for the price you guys pay for these things. Manufacturers really need to de-ass their heads and add the proper amount of reinforcement. If the weight difference can be offset by taking a morning dump after your coffee, then it isn't worth skimping on.
Looks like the bike couldnt handle you case a big drop / Jump like that 😅
At this point it might be worth just buying an alloy frame from propane or something strong
Im never listening to another sentence from you with the word "plop" in it; my ankles still hurt.
It’s all these shit plastic parts they insist on using on bike that cost more than £10k it’s a joke! I’ve warranted my acros headset twice and now swapped to Hope 🤞🏻
Clickbait, possibly badly installed headset and incompatible fork/frame.
It’s not. The plastic piece snapped. I never said a certain part of the bike snapped 😂 but sure man
@@LewisBuchanan definitely a badly installed headset proof on your own video please take you bike to a bike shop…
@@LewisBuchanan buddy, I like you, I like your videos, I'm just saying that you could have had a different thumbnail that doesn't suggest that a canyon frame snapped. Ask 15 people what snapped, everyone will say the frame first. Just my 2 cents, it builds a negative outlook for a company that has not put out a bad product here.
I mean there is a bad product. The place piece inside the headtube that’s part of the headset is PLASTIC! And it broke!!! Therefore it’s not great. A bunch of people have also broke this piece. 😊
The first thing I did to my Spectral 125 CF is fix the headset issue. The plastic compression ring, spacers and cap are just a horrible choice for the way people are riding these bikes. I found someone from the UK on a Canyon Spectral FB group that machined a proper compression ring and allows for a 40/52mm top bearing to be used instead of the stock 42/52 it came with. So much better!
it's absurd for any bike. But I'm not surprised there are stupid things in the bike industry. I've for a long time. But never seen stupidity in headsets like this.
I own that bike should I change it?
Man those acros headsets suck. They're just not strong enough for double crown forks, i've seen alot of failed ones. And even the headset on my canyon stoic creaks a lot.
Ill be honest. Either you have the worst luck imaginable or its you. These things are put through thousands of hours of stress tests but you’re managing to break them within a few hours.
I had this issue as I have a tapered head tube and a straight Ohlins Crown, in my case my crown race failed so my forks were pressed against the head tube. I changed my crown race to a hope crown race reducer and hope bearing and had no issues since
Such nice riding and camera angle! Had to subscribe. Hope the carbon frame is still 💯
Thanks!
@@LewisBuchananHow were you recording? Chin mount?
A kid who’s getting everything thing they want, noice If you can acc aggrord all that guy you have befo become a bigger priccccc
That has left the frame damaged, strands of carbon fibre are not good, that's compromised. Shit crack.
My Merida One Sixty 600, model 2018, came with Maxxis Minion DHR 27,5X2,40 on both wheels and i changed the back tire with Schwalbe Magic Mary, Super Gravity.
Best tire i ever had on my mtb 👍
bit of WD40 will fix that, mate
This happend me second day out on the bike had to look for this video as I remembered I saw it somewhere before.
what’s the difference between head tube angles of the spectral compared to the sender. Could be a reason for the force exerted on the headset… idk
Get a deadcat for your mic man, that windnoise is crazy through the home stereo
What a nightmare mate! But, is that frame meant to/rated for a dual crown 200mm DH fork?
There is/was a version of the torque called the Torque DH CLLCTV that ran a 190mm dual crown up front. I feel like running a 200mm wouldn’t be much of an issue
The torque Al can take a 190mm dual crown but unfortunately the cf models cannot. Pretty unfortunate cus that rig w a dual crown would be a park MACHINE!
Yep it is.. i have a 2019 aluminiun torque with a 200mm boxxer , singlespeed. park machine!
@@AidenLaws1
The frame is rated for a 200mm dual crown fork, I don't know where the information about the carbon frames not being able to handle a 200mm comes from... And even if they shouldn't be ran with a 200mm dual crown, that to me is no reason for the bike to break. Doesn't put that much more stress on it that it should snap on the first ride lol
@@ironeinarIt actually does. A 200mm fork slackens the head angle significantly and puts more stress on the headtube, especially when you are jumping things to flat. This is why frames have max fork travel ratings.
Iam sure it’s only the alu frames that can take the triple clamp forks
Dude cased every single jump/drop in the video. The guy following him complains about his ankles hurting from the drops.
Oh I’m sure you could do a much better job and clear all the jumps right?
Me with my 07' Scott High Octane still ripping
My 2020 carbon Torque was the most reliable bike I've ever had so far and it performed brilliantly as well.
Ffs dude , bikecompanies should be sending you free bikes to destruction test lmao great video ! Hope the Canyon is still going strong.
Yourself and Aston seem to be the most transparent when it comes to bike reviews. Its much appreciated 👍🏻
4.24 possibly when the problem began?
Probably didn’t install that headset properly. Things don’t just move..
It was installed and done correctly. But nice assumption 😂 also things do move/snap/fail at times
Brands are about to start paying you not to ride their bikes haha
I already feel bad for his next bike... 🤦🏼
i know somebody who did like completly the same thing
What are you doing with your bikes😞
I think the carbon version is not approved for a downhill fork
The way headsets on the newer Canyons are done is really poor. Replaced the one on my Spectral too after it started to make noise after 3 rides. Also replaced the plastic spacers and the stem as well. No issues since then (2 years)
Yup agreed, I replaced the plastic crap with Hope alloy parts and it's been great (and looks amazing!)
Bro you've got to stop breaking your bikes just for clout
It's almost like people jump to conclusions instead of watching the whole thing. 🤦
Shame about the paint damage but better than a broken frame.
Have you seen the Lewis brakes? they look interesting, since you already test stuff, have you considered trying those? They look like Trickstuff brakes but with added features, and improvements. easier bleed. one model even has leverage adjustment, which I've never seen.
The arcos plastic compression ring is junk. I've broken 2 of them on my 2022 spectral 29er both when I was mid high speed run. Super dangerous. Went back to the original block alloy spacer. Luckily it didn't damage my frame though.
did that snapped because of plastic ring or big fork ?
i am really confused mate.
Plastic ring I think
Snapnyon
The problem is your luck with bikes
I had the same issue with my canyon torque f w in the same bike park my compression ring shattered . Canyon sent me a new head set kit out straight away no questions . So there is a problem canyon need to sort it out . But I have to said it’s an awesome, Bike
Get another trek slash
After a few years , now I know for sure, Angle Adjusting headsets are BS😜👍
Buy your bike just with the right steering angle, and don't risk weakness in a place, where usually is no space to " break around" if every part is round 😁👍‼️
When I went to service the headset on one of my bikes, I found a wad of paint scrapings (from the factory facing the headtube) bunched up under one side of the lower bearing, causing uneven steering. I have had the lower cup of a Cane Creek 40 headset shear, looked rather like your failure here. Replaced it with a CC 110.
Glad the bike was not damaged, but after cracking the frame on a steel hardtail, and two aluminum full suspension bikes, I am not interested in a carbon bike...
(edit because it posted before I was done writing)
A friend of mine (who is 13) blew his headset on his Spectral CF exactly the same way on his first bikepark day... Then he got a new headset from some other manufacturer, gotta ask him which next time I see him, and put some 180mm Factory 38s and a Factory Float X2 on the bike lol
Didn't even know that the X2 is made with the right stroke to fit the spectral lol
Another garbage Acros headset?
carbon... that's all i gotta hear
damn mf sponsored by only fans 😂😂
Yooo Lewis I have a question, I'm about to buy a new pair of tires for my MTB and I'm curious to try a new tire brand What do you recommend for slippery surfaces, counter-slopes, cracked surfaces and which remains pedalable enough?Compounds and carcasses. I see you're using delium. I hope you can give me some advice. Your opinion matters a lot to me and the terrain you ride on is very similar to mine. Thanks and happy shredding🤟🏻
steel frames and Pinion next trend
love the helmet
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fans 👌🏻
Honestly, I have a friend who sent his Canyon Torque back to Canyon 2 times due to excessive linkage play, that developed within 2 weeks. He received a new one every time. After that, he immediately sold the bike.
Sick ride again. Are you guys using the Osmo Action 4 for this ride? Thank you
this bikes are overpriced crap
Norco = GOAT
Nope
@@hannes6114 erm yes 👍
i enjoyed my Norco when i had it and their new bikes look sick too
I think they price their bikes too high and I have watched a Review of a low end norco shore and it had problems with dropping the chain
solid company I'd say
Yo @lewis whats that rear hub?
Canyon nukeproof or virus
hahaha expensive hobby man
Had the same thing happen on my torque on the second ride. Same piece cracked and shot out from the bike sending my off the trail
I think you didn’t put the race together properly when you built the bike with the Dh forks as I remember the top piece moving in a previous video.
Yes, it can happen when you stick a much longer DC fork into a frame designed for a SC fork with a specific limit of axle to crown length.
The increased load through the bigger leverage ratio can actually, in a worst case scenario, rip the entire head tube off and send you to the ICU.
Luckily, only that cup blew up.
bro the bike is rated for a dc fork. ofc it is more load but thats what the bike is made for
Canyon have Torque version equipped with 190mm double crown stock
I think canyon says that there's no problem with putting dc fork in this frame plus its just a bearing which is not really a big deal
the torque is designed for DC ... it is used at rampage as well .. i think there was an construction failure ..
@@fpsgenerator All the Torque models speced with DC forks on their website are AL frames, not CF just fyi. Might play into that
Is the bike mullet?