As a guy who loves baseball. I love this movie for the behind the scenes and to hear you guys breaking down Moneyball and talking about a sport yall know nothing about and being spot on is awesome
"As a guy who loves baseball." Why do so many people mistake a full-stop (period) for a comma, these days? As a guy that likes beer. I want all the beer in the world. - Yes. As a guy that likes beer, I want all the beer in the world. - No.
This movie is a great example of a ‘tight’ script. It’s so well written that almost every scene conveys something to the audience and builds great characters and motivations. I’m not even a sports fan and it’s one of my favorite movies.
I wouldn't say it's particularly tight. It's a 2h13m movie. It lingers on scenes that don't really push the plot forward. If they hadn't written Art Howe as an antagonist they could have shaved 30 minutes off the runtime.
Honestly the best baseball movie ever made, that contains I think exactly 3 minutes of actual baseball. And of course, being based on a true story that's pretty accurate just makes it that much better.
"...the best baseball movie ever made." Maybe for you. For me, I'll take Bull Durham, A League of Their Own, Mr. Baseball, The Natural, Major League, the Sandlot, and Bad News Bears over this every day of the week and twice on Sunday (because I have more free time...).
OP had the caveat that it contains about 3 minutes of baseball. I still rank it top 5 with the classic big hitters, because... what's not romantic about baseball?
So some fun facts: 1) Billy had actually been involved in deep moneyball research long before the 2002 season since 1990. He became a scout and learned under the previous GM, Sandy Alderson, moneyball’s unique perspective on finding undervalued players in both pro and college baseball. 2) Art Howe HATED his character because of the drama the producers put between him and Billy in the film. Actually, Art Howe was a respectfully fundamental manager who listened to Billy and took his vision onto the field. There was never a heavy disagreement in player management between Art and Billy. 3) The real name that Jonah Hill’s character, Peter Brand, is based on is a named Paul DePodesta who wanted his name out of the public spotlight for personal reasons. He went to Harvard, not Yale, and yes graduated with a degree in economics.
Yeah, amazing film but it does take some liberties that I wish it hadn't, or that at least could have been smoothed out a bit more. I can live with the fact that it left out key factors in their historic season, and fudged a few little details to streamline the narrative. It did distract me when Spanish Raúl Ibañez (sabermetrics anti-darling, he could not field, but I still love you though Raúl) was suddenly black for some reason. 😂
Yeah, it took years for the whole "analytics as the core of your entire strategy" to get to a spot that actually produced consistent results across an entire season, as prior to the late-90s it was still used to evaluate players, but mostly on an individual performance basis (google Davey Johnson and Craig Wright). Sabermetrics had been a thing on some level before Bill James, really all he did was come with a handful of additional formulas (some of which were frankly too abstract to be useful, and even the ones that were useful like "runs created" weren't accurate, though they did inspire further research and refinement) and provided seasonal statistics that weren't shared anywhere else, which made it easier to evaluate player performance (though, again, largely inaccurate in the conclusions derived from them due to the lack of existing evaluation formulas). Still, there's no doubt he played a massive role in popularizing statistical-derived analytics with the popularity of his publications, they just weren't especially useful statistics until other researchers came up with more accurate formulas to actually gain valuable insight from the statistics available, and with the advent of the internet, statistics that had to be crowd sourced by locals or league officials became easily available to find online. Also important to note that the whole "moneyball" concept does not transfer to many other sports, and even when it does transfer, team chemistry has been shown to be just as big of a factor as whether or not the team has been designed to statistically have the best chance of success. In a sport like baseball in particular, sure it's a team sport, but locking down a solid pitching staff and solid hitters gets you most of the way there. They're able to pick up a ton of the slack created by the failures of the rest of the team. If suddenly the core group of players that you rely on to carry the team have any issue with their game whatsoever, the entire system falls apart. You're edging out your wins already, a chance which lowers exponentially when you're already at a disadvantage to other teams budget-wise. There's not much room for error. This is why even in a league where only a select few are utilizing the system, said teams usually had little-to-middling success over the course of the entire season. It's also why in a league where everyone's aware of the system, it no longer functions as intended since the larger budget teams can simply swallow up all of the promising prospects at pretty much any level of play. Then, if the team they initially built has chemistry problems, they can simply swap out the under-performing players for their second option. All that's to say that this is why scouts still exist, and why their positions haven't been relegated to data entry. Statistical analysis isn't a tell all, it just added another layer to the player scouting process and has made the game more profitable for ownership.
Hearing you two express dislikes and disgust for certain things and or people just reminds me why I watch your channel, y’all think the same way I do, and I fuckin love it. You guys are the best.
An absolutely fantastic movie you guys need to check out that will fit the "I know nothing about this, but it's fascinating and I can't stop watching" feeling of Moneyball is the film 'Ford v Ferrari'...it gives the history of why Ford decided out of the blue to enter into the Le Mans endurance race in France...trust me, you don't need to know anything about cars or racing, and the movie will keep you 100% invested in it...
Yes! Please watch "Ford v. Ferrari"! Such a fantastic movie! I know nothing about cars or car history, but this movie got me hooked from the start. And i saw the movie a multiple time since then. Please watch it. You won't regret it.
How in the HELL could you cut out the game clip that Pete shows Billy near the end, with the fat kid hitting the home run? It's probably the most emotionally impactful scene in the entire movie!
This movie transcends baseball. Its a movie about paradigm breaking. Its a business movie to the bone, and the business being baseball just makes it relatable to a broader audience.
For me, this was when Pitt became a great actor, A real mature artist. The writing, the casting, the real drama was fantastic...top tier movie stratospheric sports film. Ages well.
Came here to suggest that same film since the guys were so hyped at the drama around the draft/trades-scene on the phone. Highly recommend DRAFT DAY as well
The cringe stepdad is played by Spike Jonze who is one of the greatest modern directors :) Absolutely love this movie, was great to see you guys react to it! Also the Red Sox manager at the end is played by the same guy who plays a grown up version of Smalls at the end of The Sandlot!
I watched these events unfold in real time with my dad, as he was always an Oakland A's fan. It was probably some of the best bonding times I ever had with my dad, just enjoying these games and watching sports history be made.
Been subscribed for awhile cause you guys are awesome...lol...I am from the Bay Area and a lifelong Oakland A's fan and this timeframe for the A's was AMAZING!!! We literally developed guys we drafted (Jason Giambi, Miguel Tejada, Barry Zito, Mark Mulder, Tim Hudson and Eric Chavez who all became all stars, with Chavez legit being the only guy that was drafted by the A's and signed to a large contract) who all went on to sign very lucrative contracts with other teams during this 7 year period from 1999-2005 where the A's either finished 1st or 2nd in their division. Loved the reaction because even without knowing the sport or the team, you can get a feel of the real excitement we had back then. The film does a really good job of building it up that's makes fans like me be able to relive it all over again!
18:24 Yes, humming is literally singing with your mouth closed haha. Another fun fact: Anyone who is good at voice impressions is also a very good singer!
That cell phone thing with the kid was wild, especially considering this is 2002. Also, yeah, the media is fucking nuts. There is a reason why players hate talking to the media and also a reason why players avoid big media hubs like New York (unless they are getting a lot of money).
I thought this was an excellent movie, very entertaining and more interesting for being based on real people and events. You talking about Jonah Hill in a serious role made me think of Vince Vaughn in Hacksaw Ridge where I found myself saying, "Wow, he's actually a good actor, who knew." I did not know who Philip Seymour Hoffman when I first became aware of him in Twister (1996). I came home after seeing that movie and told my husband, "That guy was the most believable thing in the movie other than the special effect of the twister, some day he is going to win an Oscar." And if you haven't seen his Oscar winning performance in Capote (2006), you really should.
Still have not seen Capote 🤫, but two of my favourite PSH movies are "Owning Mahowny" (still available on TH-cam, I believe), and "Before the devil knows you're dead", with Ethan Hawke and Marisa Tomei 😊
I hope that one day you two will check out The Heartbreak Kid with Ben Stiller. I beleive its a perfect type of comedy for you two to enjoy. Keep up the great work, fellas.
Moneyball was an incredible movie. Filmed beautifully, scored amazingly, and directed elegantly. Touching without being tear-jerking. Just great. If you guys want to see some more great sports movies that you haven't seen yet, watch "Draft Day" with Kevin Costner, "Rudy" with Sean Astin, and "Miracle" with Kurt Russell as well.
Bull Durham. Now there's a baseball movie! (Check out Major League, also, if you haven't yet. If you did, and I missed it, my bad!) Also, The Wolf of Wall Street is totally worth the watch, as is Gangs of New York. Both are Martin Scorcese at his best, IMO.
This movie hits different now that the Oaklands As are moved and gone. And for anyone looking for the main theme song, it's called The Mighty Rio Grande.
@21:14, Sometimes reporters do ask hard hitting questions but they're usually more elegant than what was shown in this movie. edit: Keep in mind that this Oakland team was fresh off a 100 win+ season entering the offseason, so there was a lot of expectations for them to remain competitive. But they ended up losing a few of their key players in free agency and replaced those players with rando's no one heard of and past-their-prime players. So it makes sense that people would have questions on what Oakland is doing.
Brad Pitt says he thought his character in this movie was such a busy guy he wouldn’t have time to eat, so he ate in a ton of scenes and made that part of his character
They show like 2 minutes of baseball, total. It all but ignores all of baseball. That’s not what it’s about. That’s what movies like Major League are for
Haha you guys talking about the scouts in the beginning. Those scouts in that room have been doing it for over 30 years. A fun fact, one of them was still at that time in 2011 was a real baseball scout. What they did and discussing the players professional and personal lives are 100% dead-on on what they do before, during and after the off-season. Some of them did disagree with Bill James theory of what the future of baseball was going to be. It’s like a robot taking over your job because it calculates your job faster than your brain. Today, both scouts and Moneyball’s theory have been integrated for over the last 20 years.
"I love the crack of the bat! It's like thunder!" You guys MUST watch The Natural with Robert Redford! It's such a great movie that is a criminally underrated gem!! 👍👌🔥💯😎
Part of the reason that Billy failed is that baseball is just incredibly hard. It is said to be the hardest American sport because if you fail (at bat) 7 times out of 10 you are a great player. There's always going to be a gap between good college players and good pro players. There are 1700, college (baseball) teams and 30 pro teams. This means if you are in the top 1% of college players you AREN'T going to make the cut because you really need to be (roughly) in the top 0.3%
Yes, Baseball is hard enough without being able to predict player injuries as well. So many unpredictable variables that can affect a teams season. Luck is a big part of it - and the amount of money you spend on players doesn't guarantee your team gets into the world series.
Great reaction! I agree that Philip Seymour Hoffman always nailed his target. A movie in which he does that brilliantly (and he's fifth-billed, after Matt Damon, Jude Law, Gwyneth Paltrow, Cate Blanchett) is The Talented Mr. Ripley, a wonderful movie worth a Reaction if you've never seen it.
Not to change the movie subject but I was watching other reactions from you guys, ( you guys are awesome by the way 💪🏽) You guys have to watch the Ip Man movies! I know you guys are going to love it and I can't wait to see your reactions and watch it with you guys!
Seeing this movie, and the way its filmed. I wanted an HBO show about a small budget MLB team, thats focused on the front office team, like this movie is.
since you guys like Philip Seymour Hoffman, might i suggest you checking out "Charlie Wilson's War"? he and tom hanks have a couple of really great scenes together.
YESS!!!!!!... I absolutely love this film and I'm not embarrassed to admit that I've watched it close to 100 times. I love the reaction... In a different genre and, for some reason, not so well known film.... Star studded cast including Bruce Willis, Steve Carrel, Wanda Sykes, Nick Nolte, Avril Lavigne, William Shatner the late great Garry Shandling and MORE......... Wait for it.......... "Over the Hedge" - 2006... That is of course unless you gents have already 'Scene-It'? (Edit)_If you're looking for another great baseball movie I highly suggest, "42" - 2013,... (Jackie Robinson story)
Football is a tv sport. Baseball is a 'be there' sport. I had season tickets the year the Dbacks played the Rockies in wild card. 11-8. We won. Me and gf were jumping all around the stadium
So what's next after this Octokrool I know it's never over till you guys come out the most exciting reaction yet to date I hope to see more my friends.😁😄👍🤗😉
The wolf of wall street is worth every second i promise you you will not regret it and i’ll be the first one there to watch your reaction and like cause it’s fucking hilarious and your reaction to it would be amazing.
War Dogs is another movie where Jonah Hill has a more serious role. You guys have to watch Strange Wilderness, Jonah Hill is also in that and I feel like that would be right up you guys alley.
Moneyball is fundamentally about someone trying to do things in a new way and swimming against the current of old dogmas and outdated ways of thinking. It happens to be about baseball but it could have been about anything. Medicine, art, warfare, you name it, there have been many such stories throughout history. The problem with Moneyball methods is that they only work for the underdog team like the A's during the period when the big money teams have not yet figured out that the new system works. As soon as they do figure it out (like the Boston Red Sox did), then those teams can apply the same methods but be able to throw even more money at it so the brief advantage the poor team with the new system had is gone. They will even hire away the managers and analysts using the new system.
And now the Athletics are moving to Las Vegas. They have been in Oakland since 1968. Ownership went to shit and stopped paying high dollar for the good players they had and just let them walk to other teams. One of my favorite roles Philip Seymore Hoffman played was in the movie Patch Adams with Robin Williams.
Yeah... my dad was a huge sports fan, so I was always on the very fringe of the fandom (saw it from a distance but never quite "got the hype" of watching sports -- but I love sports movies) ... I watched the A's and the Giants in the World Series because there were so many Bay Area baseball fans in my college. Then I saw this movie and the metrics of the game really fascinated me. Hearing about the A's moving to Vegas lead me down a rabbit hole to see how much Oakland has just been bleeding professional sports teams away these many years. There's just not enough support for them by the owners/corporations that sponsor them... seeing how the owners just flat out REFUSE to put any more money into the team in this film... and clearly, that practice continued because now the whole franchise has moved away (and from what I've heard, Vegas is definitely willing to put some money into their teams)
The movie is based on (or inspired by) the book of the same name by Michael Lewis. The tone of the book is quite different. It's a work of journalism, not a narrative story. It covers things like the minor leagues that the movie doesn't touch on. It's even been said that it's a business book, not a sports book. Like most fact-based movies, this one deviates from reality in some significant ways. One is in how Art Howe was portrayed. In real life he had no problem with Billy Beane or the Moneyball approach. He was not an angry, negative sourpuss. Howe was actually offended by how they made him look like a jerk, and rightly so IMO. The business with making the players pay for their own sodas was made up. The A's were cheap, but not that cheap. The Big Three were left out of the movie. They were Barry Zito, Tim Hudson, and Mark Mulder-a trio of starting pitchers who were key in the A's successes that season. Zito won the 2002 American League Cy Young Award, given by the sportswriters to the best pitcher in the league. That's a pretty big omission in my book. Peter Brand (Jonah Hill) was based on Paul DePodesta. Not only was he not traded to the A's, he couldn't be. Players can be traded because of an agreement between the teams and the players' union that allows it. Non-playing team employees are not party to this agreement. It would be like a McDonald's franchise trading a cook to a different McDonald's. I was at games 3, 18, and 20 of The Streak. It's still one of the most exciting things I've seen in all my years as a baseball fan.
16:31 "How are you doing AL? Enjoying my family, sitting on my couch, in the home that I built? Nice sandals, by the way! Can't have you to catching a cold from the marble flooring my wife insisted on."
People get their feathers ruffled if you say this is one of the best ever baseball movies. But it is THE best "talking about baseball movies." Since, like, City Slickers, I guess.
I have been calculating players values in a similar way for around 30 years playing fantasy baseball with my friends ( I have been in the top 3 every year except 1) - I should have started a fantasy sports site online at the beginning of the internet
As a guy who loves baseball. I love this movie for the behind the scenes and to hear you guys breaking down Moneyball and talking about a sport yall know nothing about and being spot on is awesome
"As a guy who loves baseball."
Why do so many people mistake a full-stop (period) for a comma, these days?
As a guy that likes beer. I want all the beer in the world. - Yes.
As a guy that likes beer, I want all the beer in the world. - No.
This movie is a great example of a ‘tight’ script. It’s so well written that almost every scene conveys something to the audience and builds great characters and motivations. I’m not even a sports fan and it’s one of my favorite movies.
Meh, they could have cut a couple of the scenes with his daughter a little shorter
I wouldn't say it's particularly tight. It's a 2h13m movie. It lingers on scenes that don't really push the plot forward. If they hadn't written Art Howe as an antagonist they could have shaved 30 minutes off the runtime.
Honestly the best baseball movie ever made, that contains I think exactly 3 minutes of actual baseball. And of course, being based on a true story that's pretty accurate just makes it that much better.
"...the best baseball movie ever made."
Maybe for you. For me, I'll take Bull Durham, A League of Their Own, Mr. Baseball, The Natural, Major League, the Sandlot, and Bad News Bears over this every day of the week and twice on Sunday (because I have more free time...).
@@brandonhall5615I’d have to agree with the OP. Maybe Major League would be up there, but that’s about it.
@brandonhall5615 field of dreams is the greatest baseball movie ever made too me but I agree my friend
@c-puff you right to me the best baseball movie ever made too me was fields of dreams
OP had the caveat that it contains about 3 minutes of baseball. I still rank it top 5 with the classic big hitters, because... what's not romantic about baseball?
So some fun facts:
1) Billy had actually been involved in deep moneyball research long before the 2002 season since 1990. He became a scout and learned under the previous GM, Sandy Alderson, moneyball’s unique perspective on finding undervalued players in both pro and college baseball.
2) Art Howe HATED his character because of the drama the producers put between him and Billy in the film. Actually, Art Howe was a respectfully fundamental manager who listened to Billy and took his vision onto the field. There was never a heavy disagreement in player management between Art and Billy.
3) The real name that Jonah Hill’s character, Peter Brand, is based on is a named Paul DePodesta who wanted his name out of the public spotlight for personal reasons. He went to Harvard, not Yale, and yes graduated with a degree in economics.
Yeah, amazing film but it does take some liberties that I wish it hadn't, or that at least could have been smoothed out a bit more. I can live with the fact that it left out key factors in their historic season, and fudged a few little details to streamline the narrative. It did distract me when Spanish Raúl Ibañez (sabermetrics anti-darling, he could not field, but I still love you though Raúl) was suddenly black for some reason. 😂
Much like his political shows, Sorkin never lets reality get in the way of telling a good story.
DePodesta has been screwing up the Cleveland Browns for years
Yeah, it took years for the whole "analytics as the core of your entire strategy" to get to a spot that actually produced consistent results across an entire season, as prior to the late-90s it was still used to evaluate players, but mostly on an individual performance basis (google Davey Johnson and Craig Wright). Sabermetrics had been a thing on some level before Bill James, really all he did was come with a handful of additional formulas (some of which were frankly too abstract to be useful, and even the ones that were useful like "runs created" weren't accurate, though they did inspire further research and refinement) and provided seasonal statistics that weren't shared anywhere else, which made it easier to evaluate player performance (though, again, largely inaccurate in the conclusions derived from them due to the lack of existing evaluation formulas). Still, there's no doubt he played a massive role in popularizing statistical-derived analytics with the popularity of his publications, they just weren't especially useful statistics until other researchers came up with more accurate formulas to actually gain valuable insight from the statistics available, and with the advent of the internet, statistics that had to be crowd sourced by locals or league officials became easily available to find online.
Also important to note that the whole "moneyball" concept does not transfer to many other sports, and even when it does transfer, team chemistry has been shown to be just as big of a factor as whether or not the team has been designed to statistically have the best chance of success. In a sport like baseball in particular, sure it's a team sport, but locking down a solid pitching staff and solid hitters gets you most of the way there. They're able to pick up a ton of the slack created by the failures of the rest of the team. If suddenly the core group of players that you rely on to carry the team have any issue with their game whatsoever, the entire system falls apart. You're edging out your wins already, a chance which lowers exponentially when you're already at a disadvantage to other teams budget-wise. There's not much room for error. This is why even in a league where only a select few are utilizing the system, said teams usually had little-to-middling success over the course of the entire season. It's also why in a league where everyone's aware of the system, it no longer functions as intended since the larger budget teams can simply swallow up all of the promising prospects at pretty much any level of play. Then, if the team they initially built has chemistry problems, they can simply swap out the under-performing players for their second option. All that's to say that this is why scouts still exist, and why their positions haven't been relegated to data entry. Statistical analysis isn't a tell all, it just added another layer to the player scouting process and has made the game more profitable for ownership.
@@markkremser Baseball is not the same as football.
Hearing you two express dislikes and disgust for certain things and or people just reminds me why I watch your channel, y’all think the same way I do, and I fuckin love it. You guys are the best.
@@jrogers05 Thank you, we're glad our dislikes can be appreciated 😁
An absolutely fantastic movie you guys need to check out that will fit the "I know nothing about this, but it's fascinating and I can't stop watching" feeling of Moneyball is the film 'Ford v Ferrari'...it gives the history of why Ford decided out of the blue to enter into the Le Mans endurance race in France...trust me, you don't need to know anything about cars or racing, and the movie will keep you 100% invested in it...
Yes! Please watch "Ford v. Ferrari"! Such a fantastic movie! I know nothing about cars or car history, but this movie got me hooked from the start. And i saw the movie a multiple time since then. Please watch it. You won't regret it.
How in the HELL could you cut out the game clip that Pete shows Billy near the end, with the fat kid hitting the home run? It's probably the most emotionally impactful scene in the entire movie!
That and the trade deadline scene
"Hopefully it's a sports film." lol, that got me.
Man you guys disappeared from my feed for a while. Now you are back!! Yay!!
This movie transcends baseball. Its a movie about paradigm breaking. Its a business movie to the bone, and the business being baseball just makes it relatable to a broader audience.
For me, this was when Pitt became a great actor, A real mature artist. The writing, the casting, the real drama was fantastic...top tier movie stratospheric sports film. Ages well.
"Baseball is a lot like church. It is attended by many but truly understood by a very lucky few."
-Leo Durocher
If you liked this movie you must watch Draft Day. A football movie with Kevin Costnar as the GM of the Cleveland Indians. A great movie
Came here to suggest that same film since the guys were so hyped at the drama around the draft/trades-scene on the phone. Highly recommend DRAFT DAY as well
The Cleveland Indians are a Baseball team. Costner was GM of the Browns in this movie...
The cringe stepdad is played by Spike Jonze who is one of the greatest modern directors :)
Absolutely love this movie, was great to see you guys react to it!
Also the Red Sox manager at the end is played by the same guy who plays a grown up version of Smalls at the end of The Sandlot!
I watched these events unfold in real time with my dad, as he was always an Oakland A's fan. It was probably some of the best bonding times I ever had with my dad, just enjoying these games and watching sports history be made.
Been subscribed for awhile cause you guys are awesome...lol...I am from the Bay Area and a lifelong Oakland A's fan and this timeframe for the A's was AMAZING!!! We literally developed guys we drafted (Jason Giambi, Miguel Tejada, Barry Zito, Mark Mulder, Tim Hudson and Eric Chavez who all became all stars, with Chavez legit being the only guy that was drafted by the A's and signed to a large contract) who all went on to sign very lucrative contracts with other teams during this 7 year period from 1999-2005 where the A's either finished 1st or 2nd in their division. Loved the reaction because even without knowing the sport or the team, you can get a feel of the real excitement we had back then. The film does a really good job of building it up that's makes fans like me be able to relive it all over again!
You guys are nuts, and yet here I am back again!
This is my fav movie and your guys reaction was perfect. Literally bringing joy to me when I’m sick and my throat hurts. Thank you
Good movie love the video octokrool stay motivated dream big 1 mill on the way
There are movies that don't make a billion dollars, but are absolute gems like Moneyball
You guys are the freaking best. Love this reaction!
The statistical analysis...it's so beautiful!
I see you Captain
This movie is great. A similar movie about trades and management in a professional team is an Football movie called Draft Day. Really great.
This is in my top 5 movies ever, thank you guys!
"Wolf of Wall Street" is another movie with Jonah Hill in a serious role.
comedy dude
Okay, now that you mentioned it youself, you have to watch it 🙂
He's the comedic relief in the Wolf on Wall Street.
He did Wolf of Wall Street for the industry minimum (something like $30k) so he could be in the film.
As a guy who's not really that big a fan of baseball, I love this movie and I remember thinking so right after I walked out of the theater
I've never watched an entire baseball game in my life, its just not my thing. But man this is a damn good movie
18:24 Yes, humming is literally singing with your mouth closed haha. Another fun fact: Anyone who is good at voice impressions is also a very good singer!
Top 5 baseball movie of all time.
I have seen this movie a shit ton of times. That 20 game win, still gives me goose bumps! And Im not an A's fans.
one of my top 10 favs
That cell phone thing with the kid was wild, especially considering this is 2002.
Also, yeah, the media is fucking nuts. There is a reason why players hate talking to the media and also a reason why players avoid big media hubs like New York (unless they are getting a lot of money).
The media is supposed to ask the questions the fans are asking
I thought this was an excellent movie, very entertaining and more interesting for being based on real people and events.
You talking about Jonah Hill in a serious role made me think of Vince Vaughn in Hacksaw Ridge where I found myself saying, "Wow, he's actually a good actor, who knew."
I did not know who Philip Seymour Hoffman when I first became aware of him in Twister (1996). I came home after seeing that movie and told my husband, "That guy was the most believable thing in the movie other than the special effect of the twister, some day he is going to win an Oscar." And if you haven't seen his Oscar winning performance in Capote (2006), you really should.
Still have not seen Capote 🤫, but two of my favourite PSH movies are "Owning Mahowny" (still available on TH-cam, I believe), and "Before the devil knows you're dead", with Ethan Hawke and Marisa Tomei 😊
Art Howe was on board, was a nice guy and a great manager. Damn this movie for villifying him
I hope that one day you two will check out The Heartbreak Kid with Ben Stiller. I beleive its a perfect type of comedy for you two to enjoy. Keep up the great work, fellas.
Moneyball was an incredible movie. Filmed beautifully, scored amazingly, and directed elegantly. Touching without being tear-jerking. Just great.
If you guys want to see some more great sports movies that you haven't seen yet, watch "Draft Day" with Kevin Costner, "Rudy" with Sean Astin, and "Miracle" with Kurt Russell as well.
Bull Durham. Now there's a baseball movie!
(Check out Major League, also, if you haven't yet. If you did, and I missed it, my bad!)
Also, The Wolf of Wall Street is totally worth the watch, as is Gangs of New York. Both are Martin Scorcese at his best, IMO.
This movie hits different now that the Oaklands As are moved and gone. And for anyone looking for the main theme song, it's called The Mighty Rio Grande.
My favorite movie of all time. Good stuff.
@21:14, Sometimes reporters do ask hard hitting questions but they're usually more elegant than what was shown in this movie.
edit: Keep in mind that this Oakland team was fresh off a 100 win+ season entering the offseason, so there was a lot of expectations for them to remain competitive. But they ended up losing a few of their key players in free agency and replaced those players with rando's no one heard of and past-their-prime players. So it makes sense that people would have questions on what Oakland is doing.
Brad Pitt says he thought his character in this movie was such a busy guy he wouldn’t have time to eat, so he ate in a ton of scenes and made that part of his character
He's always a full time snacker. Him and Robert Downey Jr. Brad smuggled all kinds of snacks into Oceans 11 😂
Art Howe Was done dirty in this movie. Also the movie all but ignores the starting pitching and Tejada but it is still a compelling watch
Could not have said it better myself
They show like 2 minutes of baseball, total. It all but ignores all of baseball. That’s not what it’s about. That’s what movies like Major League are for
Also, most of the best players were hired before Beane even got there.
Wolf of Wall Street is a 3 hr film that feels like an hour honestly.
Not to mention the character Jonah hill plays wouldn’t let them use his name because if the liberties they took with the character
Bull Durham and Hoosiers were the two best sports movies I've seen.
You guys might like Million Dollar Arm from 2014.
damn i like to see the reactions of when the guys hits the ball and falls rounding 1st. Just a good moment to include in it.
Check out War Dogs! Jonah Hill plays a very different character & shows his dramatic range
I've missed not seeing this film, but I love Trouble With The Curve.
Haha you guys talking about the scouts in the beginning. Those scouts in that room have been doing it for over 30 years. A fun fact, one of them was still at that time in 2011 was a real baseball scout. What they did and discussing the players professional and personal lives are 100% dead-on on what they do before, during and after the off-season. Some of them did disagree with Bill James theory of what the future of baseball was going to be. It’s like a robot taking over your job because it calculates your job faster than your brain. Today, both scouts and Moneyball’s theory have been integrated for over the last 20 years.
This is one of them movies that people wouldnt expect would be in my top 10, but it is.
"I love the crack of the bat! It's like thunder!"
You guys MUST watch The Natural with Robert Redford! It's such a great movie that is a criminally underrated gem!!
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Love the hats💖💖 not doing well with things, I'm sick with covid and it's hard for me to even watch youtube😢
Get your rest and feel better. Watch only your favorites for now. Then you'll have a nice backlog to watch when better.
“Bro your moms a 3 shut up!!!” Haha gotta love you guys
Trouble With the Curve with Clint Eastwood and Amy Adam’s is also a great semi baseball movie.
Part of the reason that Billy failed is that baseball is just incredibly hard. It is said to be the hardest American sport because if you fail (at bat) 7 times out of 10 you are a great player.
There's always going to be a gap between good college players and good pro players. There are 1700, college (baseball) teams and 30 pro teams. This means if you are in the top 1% of college players you AREN'T going to make the cut because you really need to be (roughly) in the top 0.3%
Yes, Baseball is hard enough without being able to predict player injuries as well. So many unpredictable variables that can affect a teams season. Luck is a big part of it - and the amount of money you spend on players doesn't guarantee your team gets into the world series.
A very good baseball movie you both should watch is called The Natural
Great reaction! I agree that Philip Seymour Hoffman always nailed his target. A movie in which he does that brilliantly (and he's fifth-billed, after Matt Damon, Jude Law, Gwyneth Paltrow, Cate Blanchett) is The Talented Mr. Ripley, a wonderful movie worth a Reaction if you've never seen it.
Ya'll need to check out "The Ides of March." Phillip Seymour Hoffman is in that as well as Ryan Gosling and George Clooney.
Not to change the movie subject but I was watching other reactions from you guys, ( you guys are awesome by the way 💪🏽) You guys have to watch the Ip Man movies! I know you guys are going to love it and I can't wait to see your reactions and watch it with you guys!
yall need to see Charlie Wilsons War JUST for any scene Philip Seymour Hoffman is in, hes incredible in that movie
Billy was eating sunflower seeds and spitting out the shells.
Seeing this movie, and the way its filmed. I wanted an HBO show about a small budget MLB team, thats focused on the front office team, like this movie is.
34:50 good thing you guys know a whole lot about movies 😉
you should add Miracle to your list. I think you guys would really like it. Its another true story
the lil girl was in "ray" the show. yall should watch that. even if u dont do it on camera. good ass show.
Some classic movie suggestions: 😎👌
- Dead Man on Campus
- Heavyweights
- The Slammin' Salmon
- Hot Tub Time Machine 2
- Die Hard with a Vengeance
since you guys like Philip Seymour Hoffman, might i suggest you checking out "Charlie Wilson's War"? he and tom hanks have a couple of really great scenes together.
The Wolf of Wall Street yes pleeeeeeease! Leo and Jonah in that movie are absolutely hilarious
Johnny Damon was worth every penny Boston gave him. He helped lead them to the 2003 ALCS lost in 7 and then first world series in 86 years in 2004.
I remember in Little league when they replaced our wood bats with aluminum. I hate the sound of the ball coming off an aluminum bat.
Next I'd recommend "The Unauthorized Bash Brothers Experience" by The Lonely Island. 👍🤘🤜🤛
YESS!!!!!!... I absolutely love this film and I'm not embarrassed to admit that I've watched it close to 100 times. I love the reaction... In a different genre and, for some reason, not so well known film.... Star studded cast including Bruce Willis, Steve Carrel, Wanda Sykes, Nick Nolte, Avril Lavigne, William Shatner the late great Garry Shandling and MORE......... Wait for it.......... "Over the Hedge" - 2006... That is of course unless you gents have already 'Scene-It'? (Edit)_If you're looking for another great baseball movie I highly suggest, "42" - 2013,... (Jackie Robinson story)
When they're showing the big check at the first game that is the really Billy Beane standing next to Brad Pitt.
You guys should watch the movie Draft Day with Kevin Costner. Great trade negotiations!
A's are currently playing their last season in Oakland. They will temperamentally play in Sacramento until they move to Vegas in 2028.
Football is a tv sport. Baseball is a 'be there' sport. I had season tickets the year the Dbacks played the Rockies in wild card. 11-8. We won. Me and gf were jumping all around the stadium
So what's next after this Octokrool I know it's never over till you guys come out the most exciting reaction yet to date I hope to see more my friends.😁😄👍🤗😉
Considering how Billy Beane has ran the A's in the ground, the answer is 'nope, he's not losing his job'
Weird way to say John Fisher.
Seymor Hoffman was in the leading role in the movie "Capote ", and if you've never seen it, you missed a stellar performance.
You should also watch Trouble With the Curve.
This movie played to your strengths. Great reaction. Have you seen "For the Love of the game"?
Stay on the baseball train, react to "The Rookie" starring Dennis Quaid. Another true story, very inspirational.
adam sandlers movie "hustle" is a great film. it's about a scout, basketball
I think you might enjoy Draft Day with Kevin Costner
The wolf of wall street is worth every second i promise you you will not regret it and i’ll be the first one there to watch your reaction and like cause it’s fucking hilarious and your reaction to it would be amazing.
Facts
War Dogs is another movie where Jonah Hill has a more serious role.
You guys have to watch Strange Wilderness, Jonah Hill is also in that and I feel like that would be right up you guys alley.
You guys have to watch Wolf of Wall Street!! 😮
Does his daughter know what he gave up for her? I hope she appreciates her dad forever!
Moneyball is fundamentally about someone trying to do things in a new way and swimming against the current of old dogmas and outdated ways of thinking. It happens to be about baseball but it could have been about anything. Medicine, art, warfare, you name it, there have been many such stories throughout history.
The problem with Moneyball methods is that they only work for the underdog team like the A's during the period when the big money teams have not yet figured out that the new system works. As soon as they do figure it out (like the Boston Red Sox did), then those teams can apply the same methods but be able to throw even more money at it so the brief advantage the poor team with the new system had is gone. They will even hire away the managers and analysts using the new system.
And now the Athletics are moving to Las Vegas. They have been in Oakland since 1968. Ownership went to shit and stopped paying high dollar for the good players they had and just let them walk to other teams. One of my favorite roles Philip Seymore Hoffman played was in the movie Patch Adams with Robin Williams.
Yeah... my dad was a huge sports fan, so I was always on the very fringe of the fandom (saw it from a distance but never quite "got the hype" of watching sports -- but I love sports movies) ... I watched the A's and the Giants in the World Series because there were so many Bay Area baseball fans in my college. Then I saw this movie and the metrics of the game really fascinated me.
Hearing about the A's moving to Vegas lead me down a rabbit hole to see how much Oakland has just been bleeding professional sports teams away these many years. There's just not enough support for them by the owners/corporations that sponsor them... seeing how the owners just flat out REFUSE to put any more money into the team in this film... and clearly, that practice continued because now the whole franchise has moved away (and from what I've heard, Vegas is definitely willing to put some money into their teams)
When are you guys going to stream tonight?
Written by Aaron Sorkin and Steve Zaillian, two Gods of screenwriting...
The movie is based on (or inspired by) the book of the same name by Michael Lewis. The tone of the book is quite different. It's a work of journalism, not a narrative story. It covers things like the minor leagues that the movie doesn't touch on. It's even been said that it's a business book, not a sports book.
Like most fact-based movies, this one deviates from reality in some significant ways. One is in how Art Howe was portrayed. In real life he had no problem with Billy Beane or the Moneyball approach. He was not an angry, negative sourpuss. Howe was actually offended by how they made him look like a jerk, and rightly so IMO.
The business with making the players pay for their own sodas was made up. The A's were cheap, but not that cheap.
The Big Three were left out of the movie. They were Barry Zito, Tim Hudson, and Mark Mulder-a trio of starting pitchers who were key in the A's successes that season. Zito won the 2002 American League Cy Young Award, given by the sportswriters to the best pitcher in the league. That's a pretty big omission in my book.
Peter Brand (Jonah Hill) was based on Paul DePodesta. Not only was he not traded to the A's, he couldn't be. Players can be traded because of an agreement between the teams and the players' union that allows it. Non-playing team employees are not party to this agreement. It would be like a McDonald's franchise trading a cook to a different McDonald's.
I was at games 3, 18, and 20 of The Streak. It's still one of the most exciting things I've seen in all my years as a baseball fan.
Another really good baseball movie based on a true story is The Rookie with Dennis Quaid.
Have you guys seen invincible?
It's a football movie based on a true story staring mark wahlburg, It's amazing.
To answer your question, yes, some sports reporters will ask the dumbest/most disrespectful questions for no reason
16:31 "How are you doing AL? Enjoying my family, sitting on my couch, in the home that I built?
Nice sandals, by the way! Can't have you to catching a cold from the marble flooring my wife insisted on."
People get their feathers ruffled if you say this is one of the best ever baseball movies.
But it is THE best "talking about baseball movies." Since, like, City Slickers, I guess.
Best true story baseball movie
I have been calculating players values in a similar way for around 30 years playing fantasy baseball with my friends ( I have been in the top 3 every year except 1) - I should have started a fantasy sports site online at the beginning of the internet
Check out "Brian's song ". More then just a football movie. True story too.