The LS-33 is the original compact Seimitsu and all compacts LS-55,56,58,60,62 use the LS-33 PCB. The original was only with .187 fasteners and now both are named LS-33 Kai and LS-33-01 Kai only because the original plastick base was no longer available. I know that Arcade Shock requested Seimitsu to make LS-33 again because of customer feedback but what i don't know is do they still make them? They have been out of stock for like 2 years or maybe i have just missed the stock when i have checked for it.
@@fthetm 33 has a better chance of fitting since it's about 1.2mm thinner from the base because it doesn't have the PCB. Both have the same length shaft though and the 01 version is better if the stick is limited in space around where the stick is placed because of the .187 fasteners.
I came to this channel relatively recently, so this is the first LEGENDARY ARCADE STICK video I've gotten to see as it drops! I'd love to see a mod video if you're up for it! They're always a lot of fun to watch.
The Fighting Stick PS is the first extensive mod I've ever done, and I'm actually pretty proud of how it turned out. Little tidbit: the SS and the PS are so related, they use the exact same daughterboard for the buttons. Seriously, if you look at the board, you'll see two different sets of button labels for both the Saturn and the Playstation. The reason why the buttons feel so off is because they're not microswitched. There's a specific contact point on the daughterboard that each button has to hit to get an actuation. Unfortunately, that means you have to hit the button almost dead center to get that input. And that's exactly why I decided to mod mine. I used PS-15 Seimitsus because they are so low profile. I also threw in an LS-56-01 lever because of its compact profile.
Good to see one of these videos again! These are pretty decent sticks. The only thing I really dislike about them is that the cases can be a bit shallow. We spoke about using the LS-33 due to its small footprint sometime back. I’d like a mod video on them!
Legendary. I still rock this on my Saturn for some Zero 3. I'll stream it sometime over on my end, but right now I'm hooked on the Agetec DC with MVC2. Great video.
That frosting-covered cake slice of footage of Star Gladiator is one of the best retro clips on youtube. Excellent photography and editing. It looks glorious. I didn’t know that game but I could tell it was Capcom from the color palette, art, and approximate era, it made me research through every 3D 90’s fighter to find it. Many retro videos make their old games look ugly like they have no idea what scanlines or CRTs are. Beautiful work here. Deserved celebration of a classic.
@@ScanlineCity I modded a RAP V for the Switch with an LS-55 and seimitsu PS-15 screw buttons, added a nice black brushed aluminum top plate to change the Vewlix layout to a Noir layout
A mod video would be nice to see. I have one of the Hori Neo sticks and had to have a friend repair the actual joystick mechanism, a video on changing it out for a Semitsu would be helpful
YES, please, please, PLEASE do a mod video, 🙏, I have all these sticks and would like a Professional tutorial on how to mod these the right way, again Thank You, How big are those "Start, Select" buttons btw? And there's also a "Hori Real Arcade PS" that's just like the Hori Fighting Stick PS and SS except the corners have been smoothed out but pretty much same thing, I own that one as well! Thank you again!
Mod video of your Neo would be cool. Also, any plans to review the Hori Fighting Stick Multi? It leaves a lot to be desired, but would be a useful stick with mods.
Hey! ScarletSprites sent me! This was the first video I chose to check out from your library. I love old Hori Fight sticks. When I started collecting Neo Geo AES half a decade ago, I was lucky enough to get both the Neo I and II fight sticks complete in box... without the cancer/rusty screws on top, and the bottoms are free from rust. I also have the PC Engine Hori Fight stick as well CIB (I think it was new-old stock, as it still had the clear scratch guard stickers on it). I got all of them for under a hundred each, and that doesn't seem to be anything people can expect for these days... especially the Neo Geo Fight Sticks. I've been looking for CIB Super Famicom fight sticks, but I too have struggled to find ones that weren't rusted on the sides... maybe I will just have to suck it up and just get ones that aren't so bad and are otherwise in great condition with the box. I have 2 Sega Saturn arcade sticks already, but they are the US ones that are very plastic'y. I picked them up at TooManyGames a few years back for $25 each CIB. I thought the Dreamcast sticks were really well made (the one with green buttons)... I had them back in the day, but I've been looking for a good deal on them to own them again. If you haven't noticed, I love arcade sticks! My most recent arcade stick one was the AstroCity stick they made not too long ago (maybe 2 years ago?). I really like it, but the buttons aren't my favorite. I use that primarily for my MiSTer setup. Anyway, I love what I've seen so far and I gave you a subscribe. I'll have to thank Joe for pointing me in your direction.
I got the PS1 version of the stick, even though it's based on the original PS1 controller and not the later DualShock series... Months from now, I'll get the Brook USB to PS1/PS2 converter along with the Wingman SD and the Wingman SNES... As for the Turbografx-16, I'll just go get the Analogue Duo when it comes out, since that one uses USB controllers... But I'll still get the PS3/PS4 to Genesis and PC Engine controller adapter for the Genesis console...
Excellent review sir. I have the PS and the PC versions and will echo your sentiments. These are wicked sticks. I may have to get some Neos for my AES. Though I did build a set of pro sticks with Sanwa parts.
Happy to see you back ! you´re the Guy that made me dire into old sticks modding, and you made me discover the 9000tb, which is a gem for Shmups player. As I starting to build a FPGA collection for 8/16 bits, i would really be interested on a modding vidéo as the Hori sticks will be my go to for those projects
This was REALLY helpful. I bought an AES not too long ago and it come with a Neo II. Wasn't sure at the time how it compared to the original controller for the console. I'd love to see a video on the mod
Great to see you back! Excellent episode! I’ve been looking to pick up one of these for my AES. Is there any difference between Neo I and II regarding the stick and buttons?
Those iconic Hori Neo sticks are fantastic. I made sure to have them in the collection. I posted this up on the Neo-Geo thread on Atariage for you for others to enjoy. it's on post #27,744 for you to view. Thank you for sharing this with us. 8^) Anthony..
Hell yeah, good to see you back man! When I first found your videos, I binged them all because of the production quality and how interesting you make the topic, it even inspired me to pick up my own Konami Hyperstick and try out the LS-56 with it - now I don't think I can ever go back to a JLF!
Really enjoyed this video, thanks! Quick question (off topic) - what's the "BSG" game attract mode running in the neo geo cab behind you? I don't recognise that game!
Thanks for the tip on the Seimitsu Kai. I have a Hori Command Stick PS that I like to fool around with using macros, but not actually play with, because the lever isn't any good and there's no room for anything better. Maybe that'll all change...
Cool content dude! Went right out and purchased a Famicom fighting stick after watching this and I love it! It would be awesome if you did a mod video on one of these because I want to change the stick out with a better Seimitsu stick than the one it came in it and I'm a little intimidated by the solid solder connections when I'm used to just unplugging unscrewing and plugging a new one back in in my newer Hori's. Also would like to hear your thoughts and opinions on your favorite models of Seimitsu sticks and what sticks you would suggest for the Hori Fighting stick and for STG's? Thanks, and keep the cool stuff coming
Yeah, you should do a mod video! The SNES ones are still cheap (I picked up one last week for 800 yen that didn't look too bad) and the PCE one has become ridiculously expensive during the pandemic, but the sides and bottom look rusted so I'd like to see you restoring one. Also a lot (but not all) of the SS/PS sticks have the same PCB and you can find the connector for SS in the PS one and vice versa so you could have a dual stick. Also, where do you find LS-33's nowadays? We need to get Seimitsu to produce those again. By the way, did you know there's a HORI JOYSTICK for PC with a Gameport connector? It's very rare to find it nowadays.
I imported a ps1 hori arcade stick recently, even though it's very used and beat up I love using it. I can't want to save up for some replacement parts
Absolutely love your content. Look forward to anything you put out. Does anyone know where the Seimitsu Kai joysticks can be had? Seems like they are gone already.
Yea! I own the Saturn and PCEngine Hori sticks with the later being a personal favorite. Totally understand the shitty rusting on the bottom and side plates of the PCE version. Refurbished mine with a vinegar wash and repaint.
I’d love to see mod videos. As I struggle (as a new wanna be moder of my retro sticks) to understand and find the correct components when upgrading these classic sticks.
I own a couple of them for the Ps1. They are indeed amazing! Could you talk about the re-release of the Neo Geo Stick for the Ps2? I know they are cheaper when compared to the og neo geo or these hori but I do like them.
I picked up a pc fighting stick for pce and am wondering what my options are regarding the stick itself. I find the travel distance is a bit too much for my tastes. How do I tighten it up or replace it if needed?
Not really arcade shock brought it back for a limited time calling it the “Kai”. But now they are out of stock. Maybe we can convince them to bring it back… heck maybe I can even sell them on the Scanline website
@@ScanlineCity The buttons are soldered to the board. It was not too hard to desolder them. When I replaced the buttons on my SNES model I had to find a way to fix the daughterboard as it now has nothing holding it down
"Seimitsu kai here, Seimitsu kai that"...what the hell is a Seimitsu kai??? unless you are talking about those tiny "yellow" main body sticks that came installed on SNK SC-19 cabinets, that's an "LS-33" and it's been long time discontinued by Seimitsu, it was a terrible lever btw...
In case anybody is wondering what Seimitsu lever he's talking about, it's the LS-33.
33 or 33-01?
Yes sir! Thank you!
The LS-33 is the original compact Seimitsu and all compacts LS-55,56,58,60,62 use the LS-33 PCB.
The original was only with .187 fasteners and now both are named LS-33 Kai and LS-33-01 Kai only because the original plastick base was no longer available.
I know that Arcade Shock requested Seimitsu to make LS-33 again because of customer feedback but what i don't know is do they still make them? They have been out of stock for like 2 years or maybe i have just missed the stock when i have checked for it.
@@fthetm 33 has a better chance of fitting since it's about 1.2mm thinner from the base because it doesn't have the PCB. Both have the same length shaft though and the 01 version is better if the stick is limited in space around where the stick is placed because of the .187 fasteners.
@@epicon6 this is true. The Kai version from arcade shock was specifically the most compact version I have ever seen
do you know how exciting that "new Scanline City video" notification is?! (and yes, of course we wanna see a mod video for these!)
Makes me so happy hearing that!
I came to this channel relatively recently, so this is the first LEGENDARY ARCADE STICK video I've gotten to see as it drops! I'd love to see a mod video if you're up for it! They're always a lot of fun to watch.
Welcome!
The Fighting Stick PS is the first extensive mod I've ever done, and I'm actually pretty proud of how it turned out. Little tidbit: the SS and the PS are so related, they use the exact same daughterboard for the buttons. Seriously, if you look at the board, you'll see two different sets of button labels for both the Saturn and the Playstation.
The reason why the buttons feel so off is because they're not microswitched. There's a specific contact point on the daughterboard that each button has to hit to get an actuation. Unfortunately, that means you have to hit the button almost dead center to get that input. And that's exactly why I decided to mod mine. I used PS-15 Seimitsus because they are so low profile. I also threw in an LS-56-01 lever because of its compact profile.
Good to see one of these videos again! These are pretty decent sticks. The only thing I really dislike about them is that the cases can be a bit shallow. We spoke about using the LS-33 due to its small footprint sometime back. I’d like a mod video on them!
Yeah that's why that seimitsu Kai was awesome...but perhaps there is another good option
Finally new video! Please do more reviews about not only fight sticks but controllers and would be nice some testing on games
Legendary. I still rock this on my Saturn for some Zero 3. I'll stream it sometime over on my end, but right now I'm hooked on the Agetec DC with MVC2. Great video.
Glad you're back making videos. The Fighting Stick Neo is my goto stick for the Neo and Genny.
That frosting-covered cake slice of footage of Star Gladiator is one of the best retro clips on youtube. Excellent photography and editing. It looks glorious. I didn’t know that game but I could tell it was Capcom from the color palette, art, and approximate era, it made me research through every 3D 90’s fighter to find it. Many retro videos make their old games look ugly like they have no idea what scanlines or CRTs are. Beautiful work here. Deserved celebration of a classic.
Im glad your back in the scene man, you inspired me to mod my first stick with Seimitsu parts, keep up the good content 👍
That's awesome! What Stick was it?
@@ScanlineCity I modded a RAP V for the Switch with an LS-55 and seimitsu PS-15 screw buttons, added a nice black brushed aluminum top plate to change the Vewlix layout to a Noir layout
So glad to have you back man! Your content is amazing and I can't wait for more.
A mod video would be nice to see. I have one of the Hori Neo sticks and had to have a friend repair the actual joystick mechanism, a video on changing it out for a Semitsu would be helpful
YES, please, please, PLEASE do a mod video, 🙏, I have all these sticks and would like a Professional tutorial on how to mod these the right way, again Thank You, How big are those "Start, Select" buttons btw? And there's also a "Hori Real Arcade PS" that's just like the Hori Fighting Stick PS and SS except the corners have been smoothed out but pretty much same thing, I own that one as well! Thank you again!
Welcome back @Scanline City! I miss your videos. I go back and watch the old ones. Excellent quality and subject material.
I'd definitely be interested in seeing a mod video, especially for the SNES and PC-engine versions of this stick
Mod video of your Neo would be cool. Also, any plans to review the Hori Fighting Stick Multi? It leaves a lot to be desired, but would be a useful stick with mods.
Hey! ScarletSprites sent me!
This was the first video I chose to check out from your library.
I love old Hori Fight sticks. When I started collecting Neo Geo AES half a decade ago, I was lucky enough to get both the Neo I and II fight sticks complete in box... without the cancer/rusty screws on top, and the bottoms are free from rust.
I also have the PC Engine Hori Fight stick as well CIB (I think it was new-old stock, as it still had the clear scratch guard stickers on it). I got all of them for under a hundred each, and that doesn't seem to be anything people can expect for these days... especially the Neo Geo Fight Sticks.
I've been looking for CIB Super Famicom fight sticks, but I too have struggled to find ones that weren't rusted on the sides... maybe I will just have to suck it up and just get ones that aren't so bad and are otherwise in great condition with the box.
I have 2 Sega Saturn arcade sticks already, but they are the US ones that are very plastic'y. I picked them up at TooManyGames a few years back for $25 each CIB.
I thought the Dreamcast sticks were really well made (the one with green buttons)... I had them back in the day, but I've been looking for a good deal on them to own them again.
If you haven't noticed, I love arcade sticks!
My most recent arcade stick one was the AstroCity stick they made not too long ago (maybe 2 years ago?). I really like it, but the buttons aren't my favorite. I use that primarily for my MiSTer setup.
Anyway, I love what I've seen so far and I gave you a subscribe. I'll have to thank Joe for pointing me in your direction.
Awesome stick collection!!! Super happy to have you as a subscriber! Scarlet Sprites is the best
I got the PS1 version of the stick, even though it's based on the original PS1 controller and not the later DualShock series...
Months from now, I'll get the Brook USB to PS1/PS2 converter along with the Wingman SD and the Wingman SNES... As for the Turbografx-16, I'll just go get the Analogue Duo when it comes out, since that one uses USB controllers... But I'll still get the PS3/PS4 to Genesis and PC Engine controller adapter for the Genesis console...
Excellent review sir. I have the PS and the PC versions and will echo your sentiments. These are wicked sticks. I may have to get some Neos for my AES. Though I did build a set of pro sticks with Sanwa parts.
Happy to see you back ! you´re the Guy that made me dire into old sticks modding, and you made me discover the 9000tb, which is a gem for Shmups player.
As I starting to build a FPGA collection for 8/16 bits, i would really be interested on a modding vidéo as the Hori sticks will be my go to for those projects
I recommend using the turbo functionality for shoot'em ups and not for fighting games and beat'em ups.
This was REALLY helpful. I bought an AES not too long ago and it come with a Neo II. Wasn't sure at the time how it compared to the original controller for the console. I'd love to see a video on the mod
Legendary i have Saturn version. Great review
Great to see you back! Excellent episode! I’ve been looking to pick up one of these for my AES. Is there any difference between Neo I and II regarding the stick and buttons?
Not much...I'd just get whichever one is in best condition. You will likely want to swap stuff out anyway down the road
My personal favourite PS1 stick is the Konami Hyperstick - full Seimitsu joystick and buttons from factory.
Swear, any video you drop is always a must watch!
OHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO MORE FROM THE KING!!! Excellent video, love the mod and that replacement recommendation. Your videos are the best on TH-cam
Those iconic Hori Neo sticks are fantastic. I made sure to have them in the collection. I posted this up on the Neo-Geo thread on Atariage for you for others to enjoy.
it's on post #27,744 for you to view. Thank you for sharing this with us. 8^)
Anthony..
I was waiting for this one and as always you never disappoint! Definitely into seeing the mod video even if i know its gonna send me straight to ebay.
Spitting this dude has sold the Hrap2SA/Hrap3SE & Konamihyperstick takes me straight to ebay or a OG plug seller i am acquainted with.
I'd like black surrounds on those Seimitsu buttons you added, but looking great anyway :)
Thank you for making this video. The prices are gonna go up even higher.
Nice video, would definitely be keen to see a video about your modded stick. a drop in seimitsu lever for these sound slike a dream.
This channel is a hidden gem
Hell yeah, good to see you back man! When I first found your videos, I binged them all because of the production quality and how interesting you make the topic, it even inspired me to pick up my own Konami Hyperstick and try out the LS-56 with it - now I don't think I can ever go back to a JLF!
Really enjoyed this video, thanks!
Quick question (off topic) - what's the "BSG" game attract mode running in the neo geo cab behind you? I don't recognise that game!
Good to see you back. Great show!
Glad to see these videos again, Really enjoy these.
Please do a video on the Hori Compact Joystick. It's a nice little arcade stick for the PS1.
I was very lucky to find the Saturn one in a junk bin in Tokyo for like $15, amazing stick still use of all the time
Hope you continue to care sega sticks in the future with the astro city mini stick.
Glad to see you back!
Love these Fightstick series of videos !
Great to see you back!!
Thanks for the tip on the Seimitsu Kai. I have a Hori Command Stick PS that I like to fool around with using macros, but not actually play with, because the lever isn't any good and there's no room for anything better. Maybe that'll all change...
Another FANTASTIC episode!!!! Thanks man 👍
they look gorgeous omg.. nice PVMs btw
Thank you for the amazing content
Excellent video man, always been curious about these sticks.
Cool content dude! Went right out and purchased a Famicom fighting stick after watching this and I love it! It would be awesome if you did a mod video on one of these because I want to change the stick out with a better Seimitsu stick than the one it came in it and I'm a little intimidated by the solid solder connections when I'm used to just unplugging unscrewing and plugging a new one back in in my newer Hori's. Also would like to hear your thoughts and opinions on your favorite models of Seimitsu sticks and what sticks you would suggest for the Hori Fighting stick and for STG's? Thanks, and keep the cool stuff coming
Yeah, you should do a mod video!
The SNES ones are still cheap (I picked up one last week for 800 yen that didn't look too bad) and the PCE one has become ridiculously expensive during the pandemic, but the sides and bottom look rusted so I'd like to see you restoring one.
Also a lot (but not all) of the SS/PS sticks have the same PCB and you can find the connector for SS in the PS one and vice versa so you could have a dual stick.
Also, where do you find LS-33's nowadays? We need to get Seimitsu to produce those again.
By the way, did you know there's a HORI JOYSTICK for PC with a Gameport connector? It's very rare to find it nowadays.
FINALLY A NEW VIDEO LETS FUCKING GO
I'd love to see a mod video on these Hori sticks.
Welcome back! Great video! Really missed your content, hoping this isn't a one off?? 🕹🕹
Cool video, as always
Interesting collectables
You really changed up your game room. The fight stick shelves seem to have gone away (or new room)
Those BVM monitors in the back looked stunning! What model are those?
The most legendary stick Hori ever made was the wireless Tekken 6 stick for the PS3.
Its been a while! Thanks!
I imported a ps1 hori arcade stick recently, even though it's very used and beat up I love using it. I can't want to save up for some replacement parts
Harder to find, but they also made a Windows PC version.
Welcome back man!
I would love to see a mod video about these.
Yess!! Been waintin for a SC video!!
Absolutely love your content. Look forward to anything you put out. Does anyone know where the Seimitsu Kai joysticks can be had? Seems like they are gone already.
Arcade Shock requested Seimitsu to bring back the LS-33 because of customer feedback, so i think we can bring it back again if AS gets more requests.
Yea! I own the Saturn and PCEngine Hori sticks with the later being a personal favorite. Totally understand the shitty rusting on the bottom and side plates of the PCE version. Refurbished mine with a vinegar wash and repaint.
I’d love to see mod videos. As I struggle (as a new wanna be moder of my retro sticks) to understand and find the correct components when upgrading these classic sticks.
I loved this video 😍
Game room tour please!!! Thx
SWEET!!!
Good looking. I need some help to upgrade my pc engine one?
I own a couple of them for the Ps1. They are indeed amazing!
Could you talk about the re-release of the Neo Geo Stick for the Ps2? I know they are cheaper when compared to the og neo geo or these hori but I do like them.
Loved the vid
Que maravilla de stick arcade 👏👏👏
I picked up a pc fighting stick for pce and am wondering what my options are regarding the stick itself. I find the travel distance is a bit too much for my tastes. How do I tighten it up or replace it if needed?
One of my Ps Sticks looks great but the other has some heavy marks on it’s faceplate, around the buttons, did anyone have any similar issue?
What is the best between the hori fighting stick and the namco joystick ?
They actually continued this series up until PS3.
I’m very triggered by that BVM D24 in the big.
Are you gonna do one on the Astro City Mini stick?
Certainly
Oh. So this recommended stick ls33 Kai has been discontinued years ago?
Not really arcade shock brought it back for a limited time calling it the “Kai”. But now they are out of stock. Maybe we can convince them to bring it back… heck maybe I can even sell them on the Scanline website
Any news on new Mas sticks....
Sweet ur back?
Yup!
Hi thanks for your video , you are awesome.
Can i have the référence for seimitsu stick and button to mode mine please?
Sweeet! New video!
🤔🔥💯
NO Trackball , No Spinner ....yeah its fucking JUNK
Your voice is very quiet in the left channel, all other music/game audio is normal.
Dang...can you still hear everything I said?
@@ScanlineCity Hello, do you know where i can find Hori Fighting stick pc engine ? i tried to find one on ebay : nothing !
@@zizarami3270 keep checking ...typically you will need to get them from japan
@@ScanlineCity Do you know an as good alternative as this one that is less hard to find ?
Mod video, please!!!!!!
Are these solder-free?
I'm 90 percent sure they are soldered ...that said the boards are easy to work with
@@ScanlineCity The buttons are soldered to the board. It was not too hard to desolder them. When I replaced the buttons on my SNES model I had to find a way to fix the daughterboard as it now has nothing holding it down
"Seimitsu kai here, Seimitsu kai that"...what the hell is a Seimitsu kai??? unless you are talking about those tiny "yellow" main body sticks that came installed on SNK SC-19 cabinets, that's an "LS-33" and it's been long time discontinued by Seimitsu, it was a terrible lever btw...
Arcade shock brought it back as the seimitsu Kai after it was discontinued but are now out of stock. Don’t like it…don’t buy it