I also have been training in Kendo and Kumdo close to 30 years in 4 countries. Darth Tony talks about many excellent points and I'd like to share a bit about what drove the difference to everyone as I was not able to see anyone talk about this in TH-cam so far. We need to understand the history, and I am one of the lucky ones who were able to get a scoop of this due to my deceased sensei who were part of Korea’s early Kendo/Kumdo. First of all, before we move on... a few things. 1) for those who are not aware, Kendo and Kumdo are basically the same thing pronounced differently in their own language. If you go to China, they will call it JianDao. So there is no new naming going on or coming up with a copy version of another. I am just giong to use Kendo in this post just for the sake of easiness 2) I am going to talk about some history and I have no intent to position anything as right or wrong 3) What I am sharing below is my personal opinion, does not represent any Kendo/Kumdo organizations I belong to 4) Please pardon my typo/grammer in advance. i am sure there are a few The origin of the difference basically dates back to when Korea was colonized under Japan (1910-1045). For those who were under colonization, depending how they were treated, it could be a miserable and horrible experience, and that was the case for the Koreans. During the colonization period, Kendo was introduced to Korea. After the colonization period ended in 1945, you cam imagine a nation wide drive to remove remnant of Japanese colonization (culture, Koreans who supported Japan, etc.) Basically, nothing Japan related could be accepted in che sociatey. And it was the same with Kendo. However, there were many Korean Kendo players who loved Kendo and wanted to continue and spread Kendo from "do" point of view, despite the fact they hated the colonization experience just as much as rest of the Koreans. My deceased sensei was one of them. Unfortunately, social pressure did not allow them to do so openly. So, the only way this could be done wasy by repositioning Kendo - same as Kendo from physical point of view, but from spiritual/do point of view, traditional Korean swordsmanship to be adopted, not that of Japanese samuri - FYI, Japanese swordsmanship had a very negative perception, regardless if what is truely is, during the colonization period as Katana was very often used in slaughtering Koreans. And this is where the beginning of differentiation starts; as a part of a survival mechanism for Kendo lovers at that time to continue and spread kendo under a certain social environment, and also a balancing act of moving away from the painful Japanese colonization experience. As expected some changes were made from external point of view: - Hakama was once modified to look more like pants to mimic old Korean swordsmanship. Now the shape is back to more reasonable way but the color (white) and the stripes on each sides still represents the traditional Korean swordsmanship uniform. - Red flag was replaced with blue - white and red represents the color of Japanese flag - Most of the terminologies were translated into Korean, no SonKyo, Dan promotion criteria (Darth Tony already mentioned these and more in his video) and a few more. One interesting thing is that this background is still carried on till today to some level, but mostly by the elder Senseis in Korea. From mid-age to younger generation Kumdo players, you will see more diverse perspectives around how things should or should not change vs. today, including myself. So in a nutshell, - Kendo/Kumdo are basically the same thing. There is no new martial art Kumdo suddenly emerges as a copy of Kendo. - After the Japan colonization period ended, Korea Kendo players had to reposition Kendo in Korea sociaty to able to play and spread Kendo - this is basically the origin of some of the minor (I view them minor) differences you see in Kumdo - The training part of Kumdo is basically same as Kendo. Tony already described it very well. Indiv2indiv/school2school/dojo2dojo difference is much wider than that of Korea Kumdo vs. Japan Kendo. I visited a few famous Japan Univ. teams and dojos, and often see more “so called” Korean like style way of playing. - I want to thank Tony for the great video. For individual players like us, no point of arguing Kendo vs. Kumdo. We are all doing the same thing for a similar purpose. Focusing on being a better person through Kendo/Kumdo experience is what we need to do. Do your best to find good teacher and dojo. Kenod vs. Kumdo should be federation level agenda. For those who are in this field for a whie, they have much more complex agenda then pure "do" it self. ;)
Han Y: thank you for your detailed response. For the record, the colonization of Korea by the Japanese ended with the surrender of Japan to the allied forces in 1945 during World War Two.
Great explanation. Not many people understand the historical context behind this issue. Only deep empathy and attempt to understand other cultures can bring this.
If your teacher was Korean and using Korean terminology in his dojang, I think he would use the term kwang jang nim if he was a grand master or sabum nim for master instead of "sensei"
I’d trained Kumdo for 5 years and I kicked out from community because that I wore “Hakama” which is restricted in Kumdo association. I really wish Korean people accept that Kumdo is Kendo and Kendo is from Japan. I understand we have bad feeling about Japan because of history. However, that does not give legitimacy to Korean people to think that Kumdo is Korean martial art. Kumdo should follow exact rule of Kendo and stop saying bullshit.
@@Joseon_Tailor in my dojang half of the people have velcro and the other half including myself and my master have the Japanese one. My master is even Korean and still wears the Japanese kind
HELLO everybody!!! I am korean. I WILL TELL THE TRUTH, BUT I don't know English, So Write a translator KUMDO는 한국 전통 무술이 아니다. 위 동영상에서 말하는 것처럼 다른 수련법을 쓰고있기는 하지만 명백하게 일본의 무술이거나 일본의 영향을 받은 현대 창작 무술이다( 정말로 일본 무술의 영향을 받지 않은 순수한 한국 KUMDO가 있긴하지만 정작 거기서는 KUMDO라고 부르지 않는다. 대표적인 예로 칼을 두 개 써서 싸우는 기술을 KENDO에서는 Yidoryu라고 부르지만 한국에서는 Ssanggeom이라고 부른다. ) 현재 한국에서 검을 사용했던 전통무술이라고 전해져 내려오는 것은 무예도보통지(武藝圖譜通志) 라는 조선시대에 기록되어진 책뿐이다. 현재 한국에 있는 KUMDO라는 것은 현대 창작 무술이며 가끔 순수하게 한국 KUMDO를 만든 단체도 있지만, 일본 KENDO의 영향을 절대로 부정할 수 없는 단체도 많다. 그렇다면 대체 왜 한국에서는 이러한 주장을 하는 것일까? 이것은 간단하다.무술도 엄연히 사업이다. KUMDO가 일본무술 혹은 일본무술에 영향을 받았다고 하면 일본을 싫어하는 한국에서 팔릴 리가 없으니까.... 이것때문에 KUMDO라고 하는 한국 전통 무술의 그림자에 숨겨놓고, 마치 한국 전통 무술인 것처럼 광고하여 진짜 순수한 한국 무술들을 같이 망신시키는 것이다. 나도 KUMDO를 배운적이 있고, 지금도 종종 취미로 배우고 있다. 그리고 나는 어릴 때 순수하게 KUMDO가 한국 것이라고 믿어왔다. 모두가 그렇게 말했고, 나도 자연스럽게 그렇게 생각해왔다. 하지만 그것은 틀린 생각이었다. 내가 배워온 KUMDO는 일본 KENDO의 영향을 깊이 받은 현대 창작 무술이었고, 지금까지 KUMDO를 한국 것이라고 생각해왔던 내 자신이 부끄러워졌다. 한국이 그리고 한국의 KUMDO를 배우는 사람들이 진정으로 이것을 생각한다면, 전통 무술이라는 거짓말을 치면서 뒤로 숨을것이 아니라, 직접 만들었든, KENDO의 영향을 받았든, 당당하게 그 사실을 밝혀야 할 것이다. 다른 나라의 문화를 마치 자신의 것처럼 포장하고 그것을 사실처럼 공개한다는 것은 심각한 역사 왜곡이며 한국인의 수치라는 것을 명심해야 한다.
People in the comments said it well. Kumdo and kendo use the same chinese characters. It is read differently. I believe the reason why some Koreans may think kendo is Korean is because either one of 3 things or all. 1) the Japanese occupation was actually an annexation. They tried to make Korean and Japanese history into the same thing. During this time, even the Japanese emperor, in an attempt to bind Koreans and Japanese as one, claimed he was a descendant of the Korean Kings of Baekjae. the Japanese also incorporated Japanese martial arts into the school system 2) many old people grew up with Japanese martial arts from the occupation and it never occurred to them it is from Japan. it is now too painful to admit that it was the martial art of their enemy. 3) martial arts is a business. When I was young, there was a cultural ban on Japanese things. The way around it was to advertise it as Korean. To continue teaching kendo, old masters of the Japanese occupation advertised it as Korean. No way would Koreans learn it knowing it was Japanese.
Korean had confucian beliefs which looked down on waging war. So their wars were usually defensive on top of castles. Korea also had mostly cavalry forces. So if you look at korean sword manuals, the strikes are from down to up. Perfect for loobing heads on top of horses or castles. There is also emphasis on multiple enemy combat, as Koreans were usually outnumbered. Hence more spinning to keep multiple enemies at bay and sudden attacks to the back. For more info search Muyedobotongji
I was an exchange student in Japan in high school and practiced with the Kendo team. I haven't practiced for 30 years, but have been curious if there was much difference between the two. I'm glad I stumbled on this video.
The main reason this is the case is because both countries are so close to each other, neighbouring countries had influence each other in culture in ancient times.
Kumdo is a modified version of Kendo to suit ethnic Korean culture and etiquette. Sometimes, like in my dojang, Kumdo also rolls in traditional Korean swordsmanship alongside standard Japanese techniques as a way to reintroduce traditional Joseon sword styles. Yes, they are almost identical, but calling Kumdo a copy is like saying noodles and pasta are different. Structurally they are the same, indeed, but they vary because of the culture it has been inspired by and modified for. I am Korean, I practice both martial arts, and personally I enjoy Kumdo more because the ease of understanding my teacher, stop saying Korea copies Japan and vice verse, frankly it doesn't matter. And either way, most of what we have today which is Japanese was literally forced upon us during the colonisation period, so we didn't exactly have a choice.
+Andy Kuo "kumdo" is the Korean pronunciation of 剣道, which is pronounced "kendo" in Japanese. I don't think this is any different than when Americans say "soccer" or Japanese say "やきゅう; yakyū"
+Darth Tony I mean why do Koreans say "Korean Kumdo Association" (KKA) rather than "Korean Kendo Association"? Should Chinese establish "Chinese Jiangdao Associations" too? Why do Koreans put their Bongkuk bullshit in Kendo curriculum?
Koreans are just calling as Kumdo instead of Kendo after 1945 out of anti-Japan sentiment. So whatever Koreans call , they are basically doing Kendo without respect spirit. There is no respect spirit in Kumdo. It's funny they still wear the Samurai clothes. If they want to get rid of the Japaneseness they should wear the Korean traditional clothes. Koreans didn't need a military or soldiers because they could call the Chinese army for help.
Kendo and Kumdo are essentially the same martial art. They were introduced by Japan to Korea during the Japanese annexation of Korea. The issue with Kumdo is that it's often steeped in politics, largely due to past grudges against Japan from the time of the occupation. Consequently, a false narrative has been created. Many Koreans in mainland Korea do not subscribe to these inaccuracies. However, I have noticed some Kumdo practitioners abroad perpetuating these misconceptions. KKA is associated with the International Kendo Federation (IKF). KKAUSA is a subsidiary of KKA, meaning that it operates under the Korean Association, not the USA. The USA has its own federation, known as AUSKF, which is also associated with the IKF. This structure creates an issue for those who practice under KKAUSA: they would have to compete with elite members, or 'pros,' for a spot on the Korean team. Furthermore, in order to try out, you need to be part of the Korean elite or pro team, and you must also hold Korean citizenship. Therefore, if you are a US citizen wishing to represent the USA in the World Kendo Championship (WKC), which is hosted by the IKF every three years, you would need to be affiliated with AUSKF.
undoubtedly, any martial arts whose name have "-do" as their suffix in korea are derived from japanese ones, even if koreans would claim those as their origin. take "taekwonDO, hapkiDO, yuDO or kumDO" for instance. the suffix "do" is not korean at all, but japanese, which is a borrowed word from chinese one of "tao (道)." so are both "kado (flower arrangement)" and "sado (tea ceremony)" in japan.
You do know that both Korea and Japan were under heavy influence of China through out the history, right? About 50% of Korean words are sino-Korean (Chinese loan word), which is similar to Japanese kanji. The only difference is that we Koreans write them in Korean alphabet, hangeul, whereas kanji only has different pronunciation. Given that both kanji and sino-Korean have same root, often time, their pronunciation is identical. And in this case, the suffix '道' which literally translates as 'the way'. Use of suffix '道' isn't limited to Japanese but all other countries under Chinese cultural influence.
Of course they are same. Kendo was brought to Korea during when they were a colony of Japan. It is just the difference how they read the Chinese character. Don't know why but one day Koreans start believe that Kumdo were their original. So they deny to use the word Kendo. This is totally a headache for Japan.
They never denied Kumdo came from Kendo. Its just pronounced as Kumdo in their language. (Same meaning as Kendo). Their styles just evolved a little bit differently in the past 70 years. You guys make other Japanese look bad because your don't research just post things to create more hate.
Lee Jong-woo (李鍾佑, 이종우) has already confessed that Korean martial art "Taekwondo" is mere copy of Japanese karate (Shoto-kan karate). cf. "이종우 국기원 부원장의 ‘태권도 과거’충격적 고백!" Likewise, the Korean court has already adjudicated that the Haidong Gumdo was newly created by Kim Jeong-ho (金正浩, 김정호) and Na Han-il (羅漢一, 나한일) very recently. After all, Haidong Gumdo or something is a mere copy of Japanese kendo as well. Indeed, Koreans began to make up various kinds of martial arts by watching what the Hong Kongners/the Japanese do, and following their example nowadays. As a matter of course, *they didn't forget to add "movie-like" move to these made-up martial arts*. Accordingly, these fabricated ones look showy, but so superficial. In conclusion: these NEW Korean martial arts are no more than "fake."
All these Japanese keyboard warriors trying to spread nonsense hate. Koreans never denied Kumdo came from Kendo. Its just pronounced as Kumdo in their language. (Same meaning as Kendo). Their styles just evolved a little bit differently in the past 70 years. You guys make other Japanese look bad because your don't research just post things to create more hate.
so who established those standards first? Who came up first with kirikaeshi, kote, men do, tsuki? who invented the bogu? the shinai? whoever that is, that will be the original and the other one is based on it and is a localized version of it. Nothing bad with it.
Hello, You say in this video that Kendo and Kumdo are the same at the core. I think you are right in a sense. So, let me ask why Koreans call Kendo "Kumdo" as if they are two different things. All the rest of the world call Kendo "Kendo", don't they? Kendo as a training method has a pure Japanese origin that dates back to the Edo era and has nothing to do with Korea. I know you justify your Kumdo by claiming the origin of the Japanese sword art that existed well before Kendo. But that too is very questionable as written in the old record: 「矧惟國人, 不慣槍劍, 專業弓矢, 爲禦敵之備」 "We were skilled with neither sword nor spear arts. Archery was the only art we used to defend ourselves against our foe." [Annals of Joseon Dynasty (朝鮮王朝実録) 成宗11年(1480) ] 「我國絶無劒手」 "In Korea we have had no versed swordsmen at all." [Annals of Joseon Dynasty 宣祖25年10月13日 (Oct. 13, 1592)] Korean warriors were essentially archers. They used to wear their sword back to front so it won't interfere with their shooting actions. You can find some pictures and photos of Korean warriors on the web. I just don't understand why the people who wore their sword back to front claim the origin of the Japanese sword art. It was Japanese captives from the Imjin War who taught Koreans how to use the curved Japanese sword. Now stop calling Kendo "Kumdo" as your origin claim is absolutely baseless. I think Kendo and Kumdo are actually opposite to each other in their philosophy as their goals are totally opposite. I'm sure you know that well.
Why do Japanese call Noodles 'Ramen' when it's origin, China, call it Lamian? It's called adapting words to the culture & language. Why do they call it Yakiniku, not Bulgogi?
+Fade Away ok,your explanation is logical.but japanese receive the fact that ramen and yakiniku came from china or korea.i can''t understand why korean can't say the origin of kumdo is from japan.
ibusuki.onsen They do say it. Go to the wikipedia page. It says that Kumdo was derived from Kendo during the occupation. No one denies it. No mentally sane Korean says otherwise. Except of course for those few hyper-nationalistic dummies (you see them in any country).
I don't know if you remember me, but I used to attend 성무관. I left because I moved back to South Korea around December 2013. I continued learning kumdo in Korea and I passed my 2nd 단 test in September.
+David Kim I remember your last practice when Master Min announced that you were going to Korea. Congratulations on getting 2nd Dan! Come to the Dojang the next time you're in NJ!
"Daehan Gumdo" follows the rules, regulations, and philosophy of Japanese Kendo. i.e. it's the Korean branch of Japanese Kendo. And the school officially recognizes and honors that. FYI, the same Chinese character 劍 (sword) is pronounced "Ken" in Japanese, and is pronounced "Gum" in Korean. They are referring to the one and same word. So stop bickering. "Haedong Gumdo" on the other hand, is a blatant Korean fabrication, and lacks authenticity. Stop embarrassing yourselves. Unfortunately, traditional Korean martial arts only exists in official training manuals such as 武藝圖譜通志. And even that book was a compilation based on Chinese, Korean, and Japanese martial arts. The reason being, the king wanted the Korean warriors to know all forms, so they know how do defend their country, both from China and Japan. Having said that, it is almost impossible to tease out what is uniquely Korean in origin.
If there are historical sources then it's not fake. Just maybe not as deeply rooted as kendo. Hema for example used to be considered fake but with the discovery of more sources in recent years it's become a legit study
What makes you think the "not changing" of position in kirikaeshi is a "rule"? Sometimes I attend training with 8th dan where the partners change - depending on the space, skills, homogeneity of the group, etc. If you eliminate that imaginary difference they are similar even more. th-cam.com/video/ya8-ZKcOhiY/w-d-xo.html Enjoy
I’m korean . Kendo - Japanese is original and Kumdo - is just pronunciation kendo to Korean. Korea kumdo foundation just add “bonkukkumbub” which is ancient Korean sward martial art on it for grade test . It’s just meaningless political decision that Korea Kumdo Foundation try to make a look differently with original Kendo. Just like Takwondo . It is not right. Hey people It’s very simple and you don’t have to confuse.. Kundo is Kendo. And again.. Kendo is original !!!! I’ m Korean and practice Kendo in La at Korean Kendo dojo.
ok. im glad to know that there r koreans with rational thinking like u (though very few in korea). indeed, as u know well, kendo itself has a lot of "branches" or "schools (分派)". so does karate, judo, or tea ceremony in japan. therefore, koreans may well admit the fact that their kumdo, or taekwondo, is one of the schools of these martial arts. u koreans dont need to feel ashamed of being one of the martial arts which have been developed in japan. seems like most of the koreans excessively persist in "being original" or "authenticity".
+ibusuki.onsen why throughout history have the Japanese felt the need to steal and slaughter neighboring countries, i.e. China, Korea? History dictates the Japanese plundering and stealing like Vikings, however we need to forgive our ancestors and move forward. Is it Ki or Chi? What's the difference? May the force be with you.
you guys should know. the most of THE DETAILS what you said about it, were extinguished, by the Imperial Japanese. plz learn more about east asia's history objectively. I beg you
Ich denke auch dass kendo aus japan stammt. Ich denk auch so dass kumdo = kendo ist. Denke es ist nicht wichtig woher das gestammt ist, wenn beide eigene swordtechnike habe. Ich meine koreanisch oder japanisch. Kumdo ist japanisch? Etwa alle Koreaner würden ja sagen.
Stealing culture is a most disrespectful act, much worse than cultural appropriation. Everything in Korea before the Japanese annexation was deteriorated copies from China, and after the War, from Japan. And this is how they always steal other cultures: 1. Beg to learn. 2. Change techniques a little. 3. Change the name. 4. Fabricate history to steal the origin. Korean Martial Arts: Why and How They Steal Other Countries' Martial Arts th-cam.com/video/Fd8oWLXhNG0/w-d-xo.html According to the main editorial by the Chief Editor of Choson Ilbo, the biggest newspaper in South Korea, on Mar 6, 2012 and Feb. 13, 2003, "Koreans lie as if they breathe” and “Koreans are the world’s biggest liar of all." Korea has the highest fraud rate and is the only country whose fraud rate exceeds that of robbery in OECD. Also, all of perjury, calumny and fraud rates in S Korea are some 160-670 times higher than those of Japan.
Great video! I learn kendo in Mexico with Japanese and Mexican Senseis. Now, I am in Korea and learn Kumdo with Korean Seongsengnim! However my Seongsengnim studied in Canada and was training over there with Japanese Senseis, so, He knows both terminologies. I always wondered what were those differences but never really understand those rather than "sonkyo". Thanks for the great video!
Cristobal Santiago In a word, kumdo is originally a mere copy of Japanese kendo, to which Koreans added flashy but ineffective move after some sword fight scenes of samurai movies or something,though it might be said that kumdo is a variant of sheer sword arts, that is, kendo. (Similarly, Koreans emulated karate and added showy motion inspired by kung-fu films.Recently, they newly named it taekwondo) Accordingly, move of kumdo is unnecessarily frippery and somehow superficial. Further, in the practice of Japanese martial arts including kendo, decorums are always emphasized (sometimes unnecessarily), while bienseance is understated in kumdo on the whole. It seems to me that Koreans would think little of spirit of budo/wushu, and are more realistic, more utilitarian than Japanese ppl. At any rate, in my opinion, kumdo is far from real martial arts, though stylish like some action films. Additionally, relatively "decent" Koreans here admitted the fact that kumdo is originally derived from Japanese kendo.
@@darthtony7639 thank you for the info. I'm looking for a way to restart/continue kendo. As a muslim(since couple years), I can only bow and prostrate to Allah, The One God. Anyway, in kumdo you don't do the sonkyo only but the rest it's practically the same right? Also, I think there's no kumdo club in my hometown of Montreal. Thanks again.
I only learn kendo from Japanese, it more deeper than outside people could see ,It might not be able to win at all the time , but It's the Art that above just fight and it's deeply about the mind of self, I practiced with korean national team, Chinese national team ,hongkong ,taiwan,and some south Asian players. Japanese Kendo is different than any of others , as the roots is different already. It's the matter who could see , who could feel and lastly who could has the sense to ask Japanese about each tiny piece of kendo details why is looks different than other nation's kendo player. as my Japanese sensei said , Kendo taste is the real beginning. So this video is funny to watch , and miss guid many people who started kendo. from his way of talking , I feel he is hong kong ,singapore or maylasian what so ever. mainlander Chinese won't stand up to say it's almost "same " that easily..
thanks for this video. i agree. i do kumdo and have researched kendo also and you are right. very little difference between them. I dont understand all of the hate responses below. it is stupid.
I think the problem is that Korea changed the name from Kendo to Kumdo and a bit of rule. That makes us seem like Korean try to take over Kendo culture
Watching some Korean martial arts practiced in modern times, you will find that those are usually so superficial and so shoddy. That's just because Koreans would merely follow frippery "kung-fu" movies as their Taekwondo, or emulate some showy "sword fight" seen in samurai films as their Gumdo or something. Accordingly, any Korean martial arts have no sense of what is appropriate, and seem essentially lacking in spirit of wushu (budo) in general. In fact, the founders of several Korean martial arts such as Taekwondo or (Haidong) Gumdo have already confessed that they merely imitated the ones practiced in Japan like "Shotokan Karate" or "Kendo." In sum, Koreans firstly copied some Japanese martial arts, then "riced those up" to make them showier by adding flashy but ineffective move to them. As for Taekwondo, for instance: shindonga.donga.com/Library/3/02/13/101586/10 【이종우 국기원 부원장의 ‘태권도 과거’충격적 고백!】 Roughly speaking, as Koreans prefer plastic surgery on the whole, so they would alter Japanese martial arts to their liking (and assert that it has to originate from Korea). Consequently, it makes little sense to take their specious performance seriously.
you say this as a karatika i assume? then tell would not karate be so popular as not for the hostile take over and slaughter of the ryukyu kingdom now modern day Okinawa karate in itself is not Japanese but a separate nations that was taken over slaughtered and culture told to either be adapted or vanish. much like taekwondos ancestor arts of teakyon the taekwondo historians already have admited that they used shotokan as well as kung fu styles and styles of martial art native to Korea that the imperialist tried very hard to remove from existence the only martial arts japan can truly claim is diato ryu aiki jujitsu and its children of jujitsu judo and aikido everything else has traceable roots to china anyways
@@8unlucky8 sorry, but can you rewrite the passages you posted here in more proper english, please? I don't get what you would like to say since your English is terrible and too ungrammatical.
frippery kungfu as their TKD states you know nothing of martial arts. TKD has some legit moves and kicks that even UFC fighters use today. I don't see no Kung Fu but only in movies. Seems like you just have a hate for Koreans, probably some sad keyboard Japanese who gets thrills of being a keyboard troll.
i practise kumdo and let me tell ya, it's not a copy, it's an original art form itself. the swords are designed differently, japanese swords start to curve from the middle (somewhere near) while korean swords go straight up
sky kim Koreans are a liar nation. 1. Koreans always beg to learn first. 2. then change the techniques etc. a little. 3. then change the name. 4. Then finally fabricate the history to steal the origin. Here you go: According to the main editorial by the Chief Editor of Choson Ilbo, the biggest newspaper in South Korea, on Mar 6, 2012 and Feb. 13, 2003, "Koreans lie as if they breathe” and “Koreans are the world’s biggest liar of all." Korea has the highest fraud rate and is the only country whose fraud rate exceeds that of robbery in OECD. Also, all of perjury, calumny and fraud rates in S Korea are some 160-670 times higher than those of Japan.
I also have been training in Kendo and Kumdo close to 30 years in 4 countries.
Darth Tony talks about many excellent points and I'd like to share a bit about what drove the difference to everyone as I was not able to see anyone talk about this in TH-cam so far.
We need to understand the history, and I am one of the lucky ones who were able to get a scoop of this due to my deceased sensei who were part of Korea’s early Kendo/Kumdo.
First of all, before we move on... a few things.
1) for those who are not aware, Kendo and Kumdo are basically the same thing pronounced differently in their own language. If you go to China, they will call it JianDao. So there is no new naming going on or coming up with a copy version of another. I am just giong to use Kendo in this post just for the sake of easiness
2) I am going to talk about some history and I have no intent to position anything as right or wrong
3) What I am sharing below is my personal opinion, does not represent any Kendo/Kumdo organizations I belong to
4) Please pardon my typo/grammer in advance. i am sure there are a few
The origin of the difference basically dates back to when Korea was colonized under Japan (1910-1045). For those who were under colonization, depending how they were treated, it could be a miserable and horrible experience, and that was the case for the Koreans.
During the colonization period, Kendo was introduced to Korea. After the colonization period ended in 1945, you cam imagine a nation wide drive to remove remnant of Japanese colonization (culture, Koreans who supported Japan, etc.) Basically, nothing Japan related could be accepted in che sociatey. And it was the same with Kendo.
However, there were many Korean Kendo players who loved Kendo and wanted to continue and spread Kendo from "do" point of view, despite the fact they hated the colonization experience just as much as rest of the Koreans. My deceased sensei was one of them.
Unfortunately, social pressure did not allow them to do so openly. So, the only way this could be done wasy by repositioning Kendo - same as Kendo from physical point of view, but from spiritual/do point of view, traditional Korean swordsmanship to be adopted, not that of Japanese samuri - FYI, Japanese swordsmanship had a very negative perception, regardless if what is truely is, during the colonization period as Katana was very often used in slaughtering Koreans.
And this is where the beginning of differentiation starts; as a part of a survival mechanism for Kendo lovers at that time to continue and spread kendo under a certain social environment, and also a balancing act of moving away from the painful Japanese colonization experience.
As expected some changes were made from external point of view:
- Hakama was once modified to look more like pants to mimic old Korean swordsmanship. Now the shape is back to more reasonable way but the color (white) and the stripes on each sides still represents the traditional Korean swordsmanship uniform.
- Red flag was replaced with blue - white and red represents the color of Japanese flag
- Most of the terminologies were translated into Korean, no SonKyo, Dan
promotion criteria (Darth Tony already mentioned these and more in his
video) and a few more.
One interesting thing is that this background is still carried on till today to some level, but mostly by the elder Senseis in Korea. From mid-age to younger generation Kumdo players, you will see more diverse perspectives around how things should or should not change vs. today, including myself.
So in a nutshell,
- Kendo/Kumdo are basically the same thing. There is no new martial art Kumdo suddenly emerges as a copy of Kendo.
- After the Japan colonization period ended, Korea Kendo players had to reposition Kendo in Korea sociaty to able to play and spread Kendo - this is basically the origin of some of the minor (I view them minor) differences you see in Kumdo
- The training part of Kumdo is basically same as Kendo. Tony already described it very well. Indiv2indiv/school2school/dojo2dojo difference is much wider than that of Korea Kumdo vs. Japan Kendo. I visited a few famous Japan Univ. teams and dojos, and often see more “so called” Korean like style way of playing.
- I want to thank Tony for the great video. For individual players like us, no point
of arguing Kendo vs. Kumdo. We are all doing the same thing for a similar purpose. Focusing on being a better person through Kendo/Kumdo experience is what we need to do. Do your best to find good teacher and dojo. Kenod vs. Kumdo should be federation level agenda. For those who are in this field for a whie, they have much more complex agenda then pure "do" it self. ;)
Thank you for this information and RIP to your sensei
I don't think kendo was introduced to Korea. There are still many debates about this.
Han Y: thank you for your detailed response. For the record, the colonization of Korea by the Japanese ended with the surrender of Japan to the allied forces in 1945 during World War Two.
Great explanation. Not many people understand the historical context behind this issue. Only deep empathy and attempt to understand other cultures can bring this.
If your teacher was Korean and using Korean terminology in his dojang, I think he would use the term kwang jang nim if he was a grand master or sabum nim for master instead of "sensei"
I’d trained Kumdo for 5 years and I kicked out from community because that I wore “Hakama” which is restricted in Kumdo association. I really wish Korean people accept that Kumdo is Kendo and Kendo is from Japan. I understand we have bad feeling about Japan because of history. However, that does not give legitimacy to Korean people to think that Kumdo is Korean martial art. Kumdo should follow exact rule of Kendo and stop saying bullshit.
You're not allowed to wear a hakama?! That's horrible.
That's weird i practice kumdo and we are required to wear hakama in my dojang
derek wirth jr most of Korean dojangs require to wear hakama with velcro on waist belt which is not traditional hakama.
@@Joseon_Tailor in my dojang half of the people have velcro and the other half including myself and my master have the Japanese one. My master is even Korean and still wears the Japanese kind
HELLO everybody!!! I am korean. I WILL TELL THE TRUTH, BUT I don't know English, So Write a translator KUMDO는 한국 전통 무술이 아니다. 위 동영상에서 말하는 것처럼 다른 수련법을 쓰고있기는 하지만 명백하게 일본의 무술이거나 일본의 영향을 받은 현대 창작 무술이다( 정말로 일본 무술의 영향을 받지 않은 순수한 한국 KUMDO가 있긴하지만 정작 거기서는 KUMDO라고 부르지 않는다. 대표적인 예로 칼을 두 개 써서 싸우는 기술을 KENDO에서는 Yidoryu라고 부르지만 한국에서는 Ssanggeom이라고 부른다. ) 현재 한국에서 검을 사용했던 전통무술이라고 전해져 내려오는 것은 무예도보통지(武藝圖譜通志) 라는 조선시대에 기록되어진 책뿐이다. 현재 한국에 있는 KUMDO라는 것은 현대 창작 무술이며 가끔 순수하게 한국 KUMDO를 만든 단체도 있지만, 일본 KENDO의 영향을 절대로 부정할 수 없는 단체도 많다. 그렇다면 대체 왜 한국에서는 이러한 주장을 하는 것일까? 이것은 간단하다.무술도 엄연히 사업이다. KUMDO가 일본무술 혹은 일본무술에 영향을 받았다고 하면 일본을 싫어하는 한국에서 팔릴 리가 없으니까.... 이것때문에 KUMDO라고 하는 한국 전통 무술의 그림자에 숨겨놓고, 마치 한국 전통 무술인 것처럼 광고하여 진짜 순수한 한국 무술들을 같이 망신시키는 것이다. 나도 KUMDO를 배운적이 있고, 지금도 종종 취미로 배우고 있다. 그리고 나는 어릴 때 순수하게 KUMDO가 한국 것이라고 믿어왔다. 모두가 그렇게 말했고, 나도 자연스럽게 그렇게 생각해왔다. 하지만 그것은 틀린 생각이었다. 내가 배워온 KUMDO는 일본 KENDO의 영향을 깊이 받은 현대 창작 무술이었고, 지금까지 KUMDO를 한국 것이라고 생각해왔던 내 자신이 부끄러워졌다. 한국이 그리고 한국의 KUMDO를 배우는 사람들이 진정으로 이것을 생각한다면, 전통 무술이라는 거짓말을 치면서 뒤로 숨을것이 아니라, 직접 만들었든, KENDO의 영향을 받았든, 당당하게 그 사실을 밝혀야 할 것이다. 다른 나라의 문화를 마치 자신의 것처럼 포장하고 그것을 사실처럼 공개한다는 것은 심각한 역사 왜곡이며 한국인의 수치라는 것을 명심해야 한다.
kendo=kumdo almost korean knows that. kendo is made from japan
People in the comments said it well. Kumdo and kendo use the same chinese characters. It is read differently. I believe the reason why some Koreans may think kendo is Korean is because either one of 3 things or all. 1) the Japanese occupation was actually an annexation. They tried to make Korean and Japanese history into the same thing. During this time, even the Japanese emperor, in an attempt to bind Koreans and Japanese as one, claimed he was a descendant of the Korean Kings of Baekjae. the Japanese also incorporated Japanese martial arts into the school system 2) many old people grew up with Japanese martial arts from the occupation and it never occurred to them it is from Japan. it is now too painful to admit that it was the martial art of their enemy. 3) martial arts is a business. When I was young, there was a cultural ban on Japanese things. The way around it was to advertise it as Korean. To continue teaching kendo, old masters of the Japanese occupation advertised it as Korean. No way would Koreans learn it knowing it was Japanese.
Korean had confucian beliefs which looked down on waging war. So their wars were usually defensive on top of castles. Korea also had mostly cavalry forces. So if you look at korean sword manuals, the strikes are from down to up. Perfect for loobing heads on top of horses or castles. There is also emphasis on multiple enemy combat, as Koreans were usually outnumbered. Hence more spinning to keep multiple enemies at bay and sudden attacks to the back. For more info search Muyedobotongji
I was an exchange student in Japan in high school and practiced with the Kendo team. I haven't practiced for 30 years, but have been curious if there was much difference between the two. I'm glad I stumbled on this video.
kumdo (Gumdo) 劍道 = kendo 劍道 kumdo is korea pronunciation kendo This is a Japanese pronunciation.
The main reason this is the case is because both countries are so close to each other, neighbouring countries had influence each other in culture in ancient times.
Kumdo is a modified version of Kendo to suit ethnic Korean culture and etiquette. Sometimes, like in my dojang, Kumdo also rolls in traditional Korean swordsmanship alongside standard Japanese techniques as a way to reintroduce traditional Joseon sword styles. Yes, they are almost identical, but calling Kumdo a copy is like saying noodles and pasta are different. Structurally they are the same, indeed, but they vary because of the culture it has been inspired by and modified for. I am Korean, I practice both martial arts, and personally I enjoy Kumdo more because the ease of understanding my teacher, stop saying Korea copies Japan and vice verse, frankly it doesn't matter. And either way, most of what we have today which is Japanese was literally forced upon us during the colonisation period, so we didn't exactly have a choice.
Redgum
Finally a non idiot. Everyone else says Kumdo is a terrible copy of Kendo.
It seems a little more aggressive
Then why do Koreans call Kendo "Kumdo"?
+Andy Kuo "kumdo" is the Korean pronunciation of 剣道, which is pronounced "kendo" in Japanese. I don't think this is any different than when Americans say "soccer" or Japanese say "やきゅう; yakyū"
+Darth Tony I mean why do Koreans say "Korean Kumdo Association" (KKA) rather than "Korean Kendo Association"? Should Chinese establish "Chinese Jiangdao Associations" too? Why do Koreans put their Bongkuk bullshit in Kendo curriculum?
+Andy Kuo lets at beginning. WHY do we have to call KENDO
이지훈
Why not?
+Andy Kuo then why do you not change in "Swordmanship" not a kendo.
Koreans are just calling as Kumdo instead of Kendo after 1945 out of anti-Japan sentiment. So whatever Koreans call , they are basically doing Kendo without respect spirit. There is no respect spirit in Kumdo. It's funny they still wear the Samurai clothes. If they want to get rid of the Japaneseness they should wear the Korean traditional clothes. Koreans didn't need a military or soldiers because they could call the Chinese army for help.
yes i agree
Kendo and Kumdo are essentially the same martial art. They were introduced by Japan to Korea during the Japanese annexation of Korea. The issue with Kumdo is that it's often steeped in politics, largely due to past grudges against Japan from the time of the occupation. Consequently, a false narrative has been created. Many Koreans in mainland Korea do not subscribe to these inaccuracies. However, I have noticed some Kumdo practitioners abroad perpetuating these misconceptions.
KKA is associated with the International Kendo Federation (IKF). KKAUSA is a subsidiary of KKA, meaning that it operates under the Korean Association, not the USA. The USA has its own federation, known as AUSKF, which is also associated with the IKF. This structure creates an issue for those who practice under KKAUSA: they would have to compete with elite members, or 'pros,' for a spot on the Korean team. Furthermore, in order to try out, you need to be part of the Korean elite or pro team, and you must also hold Korean citizenship. Therefore, if you are a US citizen wishing to represent the USA in the World Kendo Championship (WKC), which is hosted by the IKF every three years, you would need to be affiliated with AUSKF.
undoubtedly, any martial arts whose name have "-do" as their suffix in korea are derived from japanese ones, even if koreans would claim those as their origin.
take "taekwonDO, hapkiDO, yuDO or kumDO" for instance. the suffix "do" is not korean at all, but japanese, which is a borrowed word from chinese one of "tao (道)." so are both "kado (flower arrangement)" and "sado (tea ceremony)" in japan.
You do know that both Korea and Japan were under heavy influence of China through out the history, right? About 50% of Korean words are sino-Korean (Chinese loan word), which is similar to Japanese kanji. The only difference is that we Koreans write them in Korean alphabet, hangeul, whereas kanji only has different pronunciation. Given that both kanji and sino-Korean have same root, often time, their pronunciation is identical. And in this case, the suffix '道' which literally translates as 'the way'. Use of suffix '道' isn't limited to Japanese but all other countries under Chinese cultural influence.
@@lupimali9504 Woah, where did that come from? All I said was that both 道 and 도 are borrowed word from China. Chill out.
@@lupimali9504 what the hell is wrong with you
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Of course they are same. Kendo was brought to Korea during when they were a colony of Japan. It is just the difference how they read the Chinese character. Don't know why but one day Koreans start believe that Kumdo were their original. So they deny to use the word Kendo. This is totally a headache for Japan.
They never denied Kumdo came from Kendo. Its just pronounced as Kumdo in their language. (Same meaning as Kendo). Their styles just evolved a little bit differently in the past 70 years. You guys make other Japanese look bad because your don't research just post things to create more hate.
@@davidkusanagi589 are you blind? why so stupid? look carefully to this video. koreans are changing kendo. why can't you see it.
韓国は世界中の文化を盗みます
Thanks for this I'm a Western Kendo practitioner and I've trying to find out the so called difference for a while. No one seems to know.
Lee Jong-woo (李鍾佑, 이종우) has already confessed that Korean martial art "Taekwondo" is mere copy of Japanese karate (Shoto-kan karate).
cf. "이종우 국기원 부원장의 ‘태권도 과거’충격적 고백!"
Likewise, the Korean court has already adjudicated that the Haidong Gumdo was newly created
by Kim Jeong-ho (金正浩, 김정호) and Na Han-il (羅漢一, 나한일) very recently.
After all, Haidong Gumdo or something is a mere copy of Japanese kendo as well.
Indeed, Koreans began to make up various kinds of martial arts by watching what the Hong Kongners/the Japanese do, and following their example nowadays.
As a matter of course, *they didn't forget to add "movie-like" move to these made-up martial arts*.
Accordingly, these fabricated ones look showy, but so superficial.
In conclusion: these NEW Korean martial arts are no more than "fake."
And the uniform. Korean hakama have elastic instead of ties and they wear the top over the hakama instead of tucked in.
All these Japanese keyboard warriors trying to spread nonsense hate. Koreans never denied Kumdo came from Kendo. Its just pronounced as Kumdo in their language. (Same meaning as Kendo). Their styles just evolved a little bit differently in the past 70 years. You guys make other Japanese look bad because your don't research just post things to create more hate.
Wrong. Korean Kumdo Associations officially fabricate history and state Kumdo is the start of Kendo.
@@hayek218 You one of them extreme right wing Japanese that makes all of us nice Japanese look bad. Just your trap and get a girlfriend you loser.
Thank you 🙏 for clearing up the silliness! Osu
so who established those standards first? Who came up first with kirikaeshi, kote, men do, tsuki? who invented the bogu? the shinai? whoever that is, that will be the original and the other one is based on it and is a localized version of it. Nothing bad with it.
Hello,
You say in this video that Kendo and Kumdo are the same at the core. I think you are right in a sense. So, let me ask why Koreans call Kendo "Kumdo" as if they are two different things. All the rest of the world call Kendo "Kendo", don't they? Kendo as a training method has a pure Japanese origin that dates back to the Edo era and has nothing to do with Korea. I know you justify your Kumdo by claiming the origin of the Japanese sword art that existed well before Kendo. But that too is very questionable as written in the old record:
「矧惟國人, 不慣槍劍, 專業弓矢, 爲禦敵之備」
"We were skilled with neither sword nor spear arts. Archery was the only art we used to defend ourselves against our foe."
[Annals of Joseon Dynasty (朝鮮王朝実録) 成宗11年(1480) ]
「我國絶無劒手」
"In Korea we have had no versed swordsmen at all."
[Annals of Joseon Dynasty 宣祖25年10月13日 (Oct. 13, 1592)]
Korean warriors were essentially archers. They used to wear their sword back to front so it won't interfere with their shooting actions. You can find some pictures and photos of Korean warriors on the web.
I just don't understand why the people who wore their sword back to front claim the origin of the Japanese sword art. It was Japanese captives from the Imjin War who taught Koreans how to use the curved Japanese sword.
Now stop calling Kendo "Kumdo" as your origin claim is absolutely baseless. I think Kendo and Kumdo are actually opposite to each other in their philosophy as their goals are totally opposite. I'm sure you know that well.
They can call Kendo by any name they like within Korea.
Why do Japanese call Noodles 'Ramen' when it's origin, China, call it Lamian? It's called adapting words to the culture & language.
Why do they call it Yakiniku, not Bulgogi?
+Fade Away ok,your explanation is logical.but japanese receive the fact that ramen and yakiniku came from china or korea.i can''t understand why korean can't say the origin of kumdo is from japan.
ibusuki.onsen They do say it. Go to the wikipedia page. It says that Kumdo was derived from Kendo during the occupation. No one denies it.
No mentally sane Korean says otherwise. Except of course for those few hyper-nationalistic dummies (you see them in any country).
+Fade Away thank you for your information.
I don't know if you remember me, but I used to attend 성무관. I left because I moved back to South Korea around December 2013. I continued learning kumdo in Korea and I passed my 2nd 단 test in September.
+David Kim I remember your last practice when Master Min announced that you were going to Korea. Congratulations on getting 2nd Dan! Come to the Dojang the next time you're in NJ!
+Darth Tony I'm flattered that you remember me. Thank you
manny pacquiao?
"Daehan Gumdo" follows the rules, regulations, and philosophy of Japanese Kendo. i.e. it's the Korean branch of Japanese Kendo. And the school officially recognizes and honors that. FYI, the same Chinese character 劍 (sword) is pronounced "Ken" in Japanese, and is pronounced "Gum" in Korean. They are referring to the one and same word. So stop bickering.
"Haedong Gumdo" on the other hand, is a blatant Korean fabrication, and lacks authenticity. Stop embarrassing yourselves.
Unfortunately, traditional Korean martial arts only exists in official training manuals such as 武藝圖譜通志.
And even that book was a compilation based on Chinese, Korean, and Japanese martial arts.
The reason being, the king wanted the Korean warriors to know all forms, so they know how do defend their country,
both from China and Japan. Having said that, it is almost impossible to tease out what is uniquely Korean in origin.
If there are historical sources then it's not fake. Just maybe not as deeply rooted as kendo. Hema for example used to be considered fake but with the discovery of more sources in recent years it's become a legit study
礼儀があるかないかの違い。しかし、それが大きい
2:11 i laughed so hard 😂🤣
What makes you think the "not changing" of position in kirikaeshi is a "rule"? Sometimes I attend training with 8th dan where the partners change - depending on the space, skills, homogeneity of the group, etc.
If you eliminate that imaginary difference they are similar even more.
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Enjoy
Might be cool othervice, can’t stand the continous screaming though 😁🙌🏻
日本語訳ないんかのう
everyone kumdo is how korean say kendo its same thing
I’m korean . Kendo - Japanese is original and Kumdo - is just pronunciation kendo to Korean. Korea kumdo foundation just add “bonkukkumbub” which is ancient Korean sward martial art on it for grade test . It’s just meaningless political decision that Korea Kumdo Foundation try to make a look differently with original Kendo. Just like Takwondo . It is not right. Hey people It’s very simple and you don’t have to confuse.. Kundo is Kendo. And again.. Kendo is original !!!! I’ m Korean and practice Kendo in La at Korean Kendo dojo.
ok. im glad to know that there r koreans with rational thinking like u (though very few in korea).
indeed, as u know well, kendo itself has a lot of "branches" or "schools (分派)".
so does karate, judo, or tea ceremony in japan.
therefore, koreans may well admit the fact that their kumdo, or taekwondo, is one of the schools of these martial arts. u koreans dont need to feel ashamed of being one of the martial arts which have been developed in japan.
seems like most of the koreans excessively persist in "being original" or "authenticity".
Does Kendo have routines like "katas"?
Yes it does. search "Kendo no kata" and you'll find several videos
What would the difference between kenjutsu and kumdo be?
why korean people always copy japanese things. please show us kumdo history in details.
+ibusuki.onsen why throughout history have the Japanese felt the need to steal and slaughter neighboring countries, i.e. China, Korea? History dictates the Japanese plundering and stealing like Vikings, however we need to forgive our ancestors and move forward. Is it Ki or Chi? What's the difference? May the force be with you.
why do you think. WE copy it? Why? Why?? for what reason?
you guys should know. the most of THE DETAILS what you said about it, were extinguished, by the Imperial Japanese. plz learn more about east asia's history objectively. I beg you
+Brian Paluch and thx for explanation.. i've been reaaalllly upset about.
Koreans are coping the Japanese.
Do u have a clue?
This was an amazing video. Very helpful and informative. Subscribed!
Ich denke auch dass kendo aus japan stammt. Ich denk auch so dass kumdo = kendo ist. Denke es ist nicht wichtig woher das gestammt ist, wenn beide eigene swordtechnike habe. Ich meine koreanisch oder japanisch. Kumdo ist japanisch? Etwa alle Koreaner würden ja sagen.
Stealing culture is a most disrespectful act, much worse than cultural appropriation.
Everything in Korea before the Japanese annexation was deteriorated copies from China, and after the War, from Japan. And this is how they always steal other cultures:
1. Beg to learn.
2. Change techniques a little.
3. Change the name.
4. Fabricate history to steal the origin.
Korean Martial Arts: Why and How They Steal Other Countries' Martial Arts
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According to the main editorial by the Chief Editor of Choson Ilbo, the biggest newspaper in South Korea, on Mar 6, 2012 and Feb. 13, 2003, "Koreans lie as if they breathe” and “Koreans are the world’s biggest liar of all." Korea has the highest fraud rate and is the only country whose fraud rate exceeds that of robbery in OECD. Also, all of perjury, calumny and fraud rates in S Korea are some 160-670 times higher than those of Japan.
Great video! I learn kendo in Mexico with Japanese and Mexican Senseis. Now, I am in Korea and learn Kumdo with Korean Seongsengnim! However my Seongsengnim studied in Canada and was training over there with Japanese Senseis, so, He knows both terminologies. I always wondered what were those differences but never really understand those rather than "sonkyo". Thanks for the great video!
Cristobal Santiago
In a word, kumdo is originally a mere copy of Japanese kendo, to which Koreans added flashy but ineffective move after some sword fight scenes of samurai movies or something,though it might be said that kumdo is a variant of sheer sword arts, that is, kendo.
(Similarly, Koreans emulated karate and added showy motion inspired by kung-fu films.Recently, they newly named it taekwondo)
Accordingly, move of kumdo is unnecessarily frippery and somehow superficial.
Further, in the practice of Japanese martial arts including kendo, decorums are always emphasized (sometimes unnecessarily), while bienseance is understated in kumdo on the whole. It seems to me that Koreans would think little of spirit of budo/wushu, and are more realistic, more utilitarian than Japanese ppl.
At any rate, in my opinion, kumdo is far from real martial arts, though stylish like some action films.
Additionally, relatively "decent" Koreans here admitted the fact that kumdo is originally derived from Japanese kendo.
This has been my experience as well. I am glad someone can confirm it.
Jyoun Hyouk you are doing it wrong
Does kumdo ''players'' have to bow before and after practice?
In all the Kendo dojos and Kumdo dojangs that I have been to, practice begins and ends with a ritual of meditation and bowing.
@@darthtony7639 thank you for the info. I'm looking for a way to restart/continue kendo. As a muslim(since couple years), I can only bow and prostrate to Allah, The One God. Anyway, in kumdo you don't do the sonkyo only but the rest it's practically the same right? Also, I think there's no kumdo club in my hometown of Montreal. Thanks again.
CT SangMuKwan Kyudokan
다 같아요
who is him? korean or japanese? this should both side views to be into account
I only learn kendo from Japanese, it more deeper than outside people could see ,It might not be able to win at all the time , but It's the Art that above just fight and it's deeply about the mind of self, I practiced with korean national team, Chinese national team ,hongkong ,taiwan,and some south Asian players. Japanese Kendo is different than any of others , as the roots is different already. It's the matter who could see , who could feel and lastly who could has the sense to ask Japanese about each tiny piece of kendo details why is looks different than other nation's kendo player. as my Japanese sensei said , Kendo taste is the real beginning. So this video is funny to watch , and miss guid many people who started kendo. from his way of talking , I feel he is hong kong ,singapore or maylasian what so ever. mainlander Chinese won't stand up to say it's almost "same " that easily..
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thanks for this video. i agree. i do kumdo and have researched kendo also and you are right. very little difference between them. I dont understand all of the hate responses below. it is stupid.
It will be cool if you Kakarot wields sword. Ultra instict in kendo would be awsome.
Hey Kim, stop behaving like a baby.
I think the problem is that Korea changed the name from Kendo to Kumdo and a bit of rule. That makes us seem like Korean try to take over Kendo culture
Watching some Korean martial arts practiced in modern times, you will find that those are usually so superficial and so shoddy. That's just because Koreans would merely follow frippery "kung-fu" movies as their Taekwondo, or emulate some showy "sword fight" seen in samurai films as their Gumdo or something.
Accordingly, any Korean martial arts have no sense of what is appropriate, and seem essentially lacking in spirit of wushu (budo) in general.
In fact, the founders of several Korean martial arts such as Taekwondo or (Haidong) Gumdo have already confessed that they merely imitated the ones practiced in Japan like "Shotokan Karate" or "Kendo." In sum, Koreans firstly copied some Japanese martial arts, then "riced those up" to make them showier by adding flashy but ineffective move to them.
As for Taekwondo, for instance: shindonga.donga.com/Library/3/02/13/101586/10
【이종우 국기원 부원장의 ‘태권도 과거’충격적 고백!】
Roughly speaking, as Koreans prefer plastic surgery on the whole, so they would alter Japanese martial arts to their liking (and assert that it has to originate from Korea).
Consequently, it makes little sense to take their specious performance seriously.
you say this as a karatika i assume? then tell would not karate be so popular as not for the hostile take over and slaughter of the ryukyu kingdom now modern day Okinawa karate in itself is not Japanese but a separate nations that was taken over slaughtered and culture told to either be adapted or vanish. much like taekwondos ancestor arts of teakyon the taekwondo historians already have admited that they used shotokan as well as kung fu styles and styles of martial art native to Korea that the imperialist tried very hard to remove from existence the only martial arts japan can truly claim is diato ryu aiki jujitsu and its children of jujitsu judo and aikido everything else has traceable roots to china anyways
@@8unlucky8 sorry, but can you rewrite the passages you posted here in more proper english, please? I don't get what you would like to say since your English is terrible and too ungrammatical.
frippery kungfu as their TKD states you know nothing of martial arts. TKD has some legit moves and kicks that even UFC fighters use today. I don't see no Kung Fu but only in movies. Seems like you just have a hate for Koreans, probably some sad keyboard Japanese who gets thrills of being a keyboard troll.
You know "kumdo" is just fantasy martial art right?
How is it fantasy when it actually exist?
i practise kumdo and let me tell ya, it's not a copy, it's an original art form itself. the swords are designed differently, japanese swords start to curve from the middle (somewhere near) while korean swords go straight up
sky kim
Koreans are a liar nation.
1. Koreans always beg to learn first.
2. then change the techniques etc. a little.
3. then change the name.
4. Then finally fabricate the history to steal the origin.
Here you go:
According to the main editorial by the Chief Editor of Choson Ilbo, the biggest newspaper in South Korea, on Mar 6, 2012 and Feb. 13, 2003, "Koreans lie as if they breathe” and “Koreans are the world’s biggest liar of all." Korea has the highest fraud rate and is the only country whose fraud rate exceeds that of robbery in OECD. Also, all of perjury, calumny and fraud rates in S Korea are some 160-670 times higher than those of Japan.