"Pinko" is used as a pejorative for perceived communists, not Pinkertons. It's a very understandable mistake to make, since it sounds like it SHOULD be a pejorative for the Pinkertons.
The difference between a privately owned company and a publicly traded one. Also, Paizo was founded and is run by people who used to work for WOTC before Hasbro bought them out, and Hasbro gave them a big payout when they took over, too.
Paizo is a funny story because I used to not like them back when Pathfinder 1E came out and I heard about how they treated the Rogue class. Supposedly, the reason why original Rogue was so garbage in 1E was because one of the lead designers was extremely biased against them. To the point where a playtester who reported that they were lackluster actually provoked a spite response from this guy who nerfed them even harder. However, I'll take a million genuine enthusiasts who have weird opinions that I disagree with, out of real passion for the hobby, over a single corporate suit who doesn't give any fucks about the hobby.
@@CrizzyEyes ooh, you'll love Rogue's in 2e Remaster. More skills than god. Legit a rogue can get every skill in the game. That's not counting the feats. Options; Rogues got more than anyone I think, Maybe Fighter can compete Lots of flexibility
The fact people from Paizo were once WOTC employees made it all the more credible when the OGL fiasco hit, because several of them had been part of crafting that and outright said 'yeah, no, what's WOTC is trying to do was never intended through the OGL. We were there when it was written.'
Paizo: Every book is packed with both lore stuff and tonnes of rules options for both players and game masters to customise the game however they want! Let's work towards a more inclusive gaming space for everyone! WotC: 🚬 The Spelljammer book doesn't have rules for ship-to-ship combat, don't bother. Buy a separate board game to get army battles in Dragonlance. Get your DM to fix any problems with our busted game.
@@DND_101 the spelljammer thing is the bit that irks me the most, because 5e already had functional vehicular combat (in Ghosts of Saltmarsh and Descent into Avernus). WotC is happy to just sit on their IPs, content in the knowledge that there are third-party publishers making actual content for their games. I always compare 5e with Skyrim, since they're both stripped back to make them accessible to everyone at the cost of losing any real depth, and the developers know that any issues will be fixed by a dedicated modding community
@@WolfWalrus I dont think they care to make quality books anymore since the garbage ones bring just as much money, since the goal is maximum profit, not making good content
@@WolfWalrus The Creation Club was like Bethesda's "OGL change" scandal as well, an attempt to make paid mods the norm and ruin everything that makes the game successful in the long term. The analogy works too well.
@@CrizzyEyes "The fifth game in a long-running and well respected RPG series, removing features to make it more broadly accessible at the cost of the complexity that their hard-core fan base has come to love. People generally agree the third one was the best, only veteran old school players play the second, and lots of people pretend to play the first but we all know they're lying."
Three months later: "Sir, the Kineticist is released!" "WHEN I SAID YOU SHOULD MAKE IT STRONGER I DIDN'T MEAN IT SHOULD BE THE BEST CLASS IN THE GAME!" "But sir, people are liking the class, they say it's really cool and unique." "Oh, really? Then it's okay, people really wanted to re-enact ATLA I guess. Get a raise."
@@michaelshigetani433 yeah, playing Kineticist definitely makes you get a grip at how balanced it is. It's still probably the strongest in the game all things considered, but not by a wide margin.
@@heyfell4301 eh, Spells can do more damage generally. BUT the ability to toss them every turn does help. Technically everything the kinetics can do a spell does better. BUT damnn it's fun!
@@michaelshigetani433 Yeah, Kineticists are more reliable at elemental damage dealing while Spellcasters is what you look at for strong damage dealing.
Anyone else notice how hard Wizards is pushing hardback book sales? Like they really don't make many softbacks. Just seems odd, since hardback tends to be more expensive. They also don't print short as many short adventure modules anymore. Everything is like a full 50 dollar book.
Not to mention that books printed now *Will* fall apart with how cheaply bound their books are, forcing people to buy books more often or frustrate them enough to have them go purely digital
Weird complaint though. I like hardcovers. They're weighty and look good on the shelf too instead of just being an ugly paperstack while not in use. Of all the many problems WotC has, them making books that actually feel good to hold is like.... the last that'd I'd ever expect.
@goji253 They also cost way more and are unnecessary for things like a quick adventure one shot. And frankly I don't care how good they look on a shelf. That's what coffee table books are for.
My group and I switched to Pathfinder 2 about 3 months ago, and I can't even look at D&D 5e anymore. The Pathfinder system is superior in every aspect, and I feel that the material treats me with respect (I'm the DM), providing me with all the tools I need.
I feel the same. Same thing happened to me. I decided to try Pathfinder 2e after the OGL business. And found myself going "I should have tried this sooner" the system for building encounters is the BEST I've ever seen. (if I have to list all the games that includes we'll have a book)
It is not superior in accessibility, I'd say. 5e is the most streamlined rule system out there, which is both its greatest strength and weakness. Pathfinder offers a lot of more options and details, but simultaneously more restrictions. To be fair tho, I only know Pathfinder 2 through the Kingmaker game, and while I enjoy the system a lot, I also enjoy the more simplistic nature of 5e.
The only reason why I cannot use Pathfinder is that it's not in my native language and the player group isn't entirely familiar with English. The availability of Pathfinder in Poland is also pretty expensive last time I checked, since it needs to be imported, what means expensive shipping and obligatory 23% EU tax as the LGS had had PF manuals. Sure we could use the PDF files but we prefer NOT to use phones while board/table/TCG gaming unless it is absolutely an emergency. Some of my players still have a dislike towards Pathfinder due to OwlCat (Russian game developers) being very aggressive and toxic towards Polish player base which kinda radiated onto the actual system opinion, too.
Ngl I never played DND I got into pathfinder 2e straight away and honestly after the initial learning-how-ttrpgs-work learning curve it was pretty easy to understand in my opinion.
To be fair...the artwork is a BIG part of why I buy WOTC stuff 😂 I am trying to talk my group into giving Pathfinder a try though. I like the greater depth in combat and character design it appears to offer
I’ve been reading old warhammer fantasy roleplay books and the difference is astounding the books tell you accents, common folk views and noble views, YOU CAN BE A DUNG COLLECTOR FOR SOME REASON, and magic is dangerous but you can cast as many times as you want(you might die or go insane if you get unlucky but still) then there’s dnd where the lore is hand waved and the rules feel more like restrictions I haven’t played pathfinder but I much prefer warhammer rpgs since there’s so much more of a focus on role playing and getting into character with little details like after becoming a Dwarf Daemon Slayer the only exit from your career(class basically) is a glorious death
@@DND_101 i remember seeing some news that the crb for pf2e, physical copies anyway Ran out Because many are migrating to such Myself included Honestly like pf2e more Even has room for all sorts of builds for most classes like my first one i built in pathbuilder 2e, a tengu monk The monk has all sorts of build options Such as a ranged monk, or the classic hand to hand monk with stances, or a melee weapon using one Then i started to build more and more characters of all sorts of classes(still cant figure out investigator right) My faves right now being Thaumaturge and Oracle
@@legendarydigitize2523 Not only did they run out of copies of the CRB, they ran out of what was suppposed to be an eight month supply of the CRB in a matter of weeks. It was absolutely bonkers in the best way.
As a person who is stuck playing D&D 5e because it is what my friends run but runs Pathfinder 1e personally: I do think that the idea that Paizo is without sin gets a little too syncophantic. Paizo is much better about keeping any outrage they induce in us smaller and more personal. I find great irony in the idea that Paizo takes feedback. When we were helping them playtest 2e, the head of their messageboards and the COO's partner straight up stated that 1 any feedback outside their very specific playtest material testing was not something they wanted. (Ie they wanted us to test if healing was well balanced but only at levels 8-10, with a specfic party composition that all could cast off the divine list and exclusively while fighting undead.) 2 when people asked why the above, he cited that he had worked on Magic the Gathering's Alpha release (Richard Garfield and others remember him playing the game enthusiastically and hired him on to pack boxes during unlimited's printing as it took off) and that no one then had believed that a new unproved business concept like a TCG would work except him and Richard. According to Vic this is a prime example of how the fans don't know what they want even though unproven completely new type of game (Magic) vs evolution of a formula (PF 2e) are two far different situations for fans to be giving input about.
Drastic difference - All rules for pathfinder are available free, officially sanctioned by paizo. (Archives of Nethys) For D&D 5e you get the piddly system reference document which has... Uh, like 5 levels of features for 5 or 6 classes, plus barely enough spells to cover that progression. This illustrates the core difference - paizo understands that they are selling products for a TTRPG, and so gives out player options and rules freely, due to the nature of the hobby being so focused on per-table customisation and creativity. whereas WotC just sees the "sell product" part and ignores everything else. You can see the same attitude in how they manage MTG, with the constant absurd powercreep and refusal to ban format breaking cards for as long as they actively print them.
Rarity is more about prevalence in the setting and is more just to give newer GMs confidence to ban stuff if they're worried about it causing problems in the game. Nothing stopping a homebrew setting from just making, say, skeletons a common ancestry for example. Or even just changing the rarity to reflect the particular region of Golarion they're in (pretty sure you'd count the Skeleton ancestry as common for a campaign set in Geb like the Blood Lords adventure path). Not sure how the Armour Check Penalty comes into play because that actually disappears if you meet the armour's strength minimum. As long as you hit the armour's Dex cap you actually end up with the same AC whether that armour's leather or splint (except for heavy armour, that one is one point higher but also bloody expensive).
@@DND_101You didn't forget anything pertinent - rarity's purely a GM tool and the achievement points they were referring to is just for organised play. I'm sure Adventurer's League has something similar.
Honestly this is very accurate, I was a loyal DnD and when spelljammer came out and they changed things for the woke crowd it annoyed me. However the icing on the cake was when I order dragon lance and it took over 3 months and they didn’t acknowledge their mistake that they never put in the order and kept blaming the shipping company and I complained and asked for a refund and they gave it to me but didn’t even apologise just said this time we will refund you but we don’t normally do that. Now I’m happy pathfinder gamer
This implies that paizo forgets to pay people and makes unbalanced classes, then forces people to buy new books to fix them. I think both Pathfinder and dnd are bad.
They definitely did the "makes unbalanced classes and forces people to buy new books" thing in 1E. I haven't played 2E, but to my knowledge it's a lot better. So I'm willing to forgive that as a genuine mistake for first edition.
This was incorrect... what they were talking about was a play test material... quoting the complaint, I think, about the playtest for the just released Kineticist. However, unlike D&D, _all_ of Pathfinder2e rules are available for free online the Archives of Nethys. So, no purchase is necessary.
@@aralornwolf3140 Pathfinder is definitely better than dnd, I just think that both are bad. I usually like playing indie RPGs to support small creators and to find something more specific to what I want an rpg to be like without any excessive homebrewing.
Horrible balancing both between PCs and in the awful CR system? Missing content and systems such as magic items not having prices and the SPELLJAMMER BOOK not having any rules for SPELLJAMMER COMBAT?
@@scorchmcscorchyson7597 First of all, balancing encounters is a bad idea. Secondly, by balancing the PCs do you mean the classes? The thing about the ship combat is not entirely true. Ship combat works the same as regular combat. It's basically just mounted combat.
@@mkklassicmk3895 the classes are not balanced against one another leading to incredible disparities in ability between the PCs, yes. And it’s not things you’d expect, like the barbarian being the tanky-est or whatever, it’s spellcasters having a monopoly on all aspects of gameplay in a way martials can’t compete with. Not to mention martials having extremely boring combat, worst offender of which is the rogue who gets a single attack every turn that they have to go for in order to make their damage competitive. Want to double your odds of hitting sneak attack? Now you have to spend your bonus action to do so, making you EVEN LESS INTERESTING in combat. And what do you mean balancing encounters is a bad idea? It’s a GOOD idea to provide a challenge you know is unlikely to be lethal. Difficult encounters are fun because encounters that are too easy or too hard aren’t. 5e puts all of the work in the GM, from magic item prices, to how to run ship combat (they’re not going to tell you), go the crafting system, to balancing their game for them because the CR system is broken. That’s bad design.
I have to disagree on most points. 5e was my first real dive in to table top rpg. I'd played some others, like Vampire, but never got in to it because the rules and lore were so convoluted and involved. Whilst stripping it down to make it more accessible to new players might seem lazy, it allows for DMs and players to get much more imaginative and forces them not to rely on premade modules all the time. The story is supposed to be written by the players, not the creators of the system. If it's rules for gameplay, yeah you shouldn't have to convert it from older systems, but I've only once had to do that. Regardless, the old systems are still there and you can play them all you want. No one is forcing anyone to buy the new editions. Fifth edition just made it so more people could play, which solved a huge problem in older editions. The problem of finding enough reliable players to get past level 3. It also fine tuned a lot of things and made death a lot less common and arbitrary. Like the fact that it wasn't hard to die from falling off a horse at level one. I'd much prefer the books being a little bare-bones over having to spend a month learning lore just to have your wizard die because they tripped and fell off the sidewalk on to a thorn bush.
I get your point and you are right, its certainly easier for beginners, but pathfinder I believe has better content and is more fun for veteran dnd players
DM'ed a 3.5 edition module for a group that included two 5th edition players, their first time with 3.5. Nobody died, but when i ran the module how it was supposed to be run, and they rushed into an ADMITTEDLY ON THEIR PART obvious trap and nearly died, i got called a "killer DM" by one of the two 5th players and the other one whined that the SIXTH level bad guy could cast a SECOND level spell on his summoned monster. Soft-ass babies. Also, 3.5 isn't that hard if you're not brain-damaged. The hard edition is 2nd. That was the first one I played. THAT one, you could die at a moment's notice. You'd have to be......"special".....to die quickly in third edition.
I'm sorry, but you lost me when you implied that the rules for Vampire are more convoluted than D&D, one of the most numbers-heavy crunch games out there, with a system for magic that is totally silo'd off from the rest of the rules. It's honestly amazing that D&D is seen as the norm for tabletop RPGs. Dice pools are way simpler and more consistent than a typical d20 game. Yes, even 5th edition. You're also a bit misinformed when it comes to earlier editions. Dying immediately at 0 HP hasn't been a thing since base 3rd edition, which most people agree sucked even among D&D fans. On 3.5 going forward, falling off your horse at level 1 would result in you at worst falling unconscious but any healing would be able to save you.
@@CrizzyEyes If I lost you at the end of the second sentence then I have nothing to say to you. Maybe get un-lost and read the rest of my comment. I won't be able to tell, however, as you lost me at "you lost me when", so I won't be reading any more of what you have to say. Really don't feel like listening to your opinion on an table top rpg when you can't read two sentences without giving up.
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Be careful, with honesty like this you may get a visit from the Pinkertons
oh yea I forgot about that😂 thats crazy tbh to call the pinkertons
@@DND_101 sadly, not the first time Hasbro has done it either (would provide sources but links in comments affect the algorithm iirc)
@@Relisysification oh crap, yea I hope ill be fine, if I ever suddenly stop making videos you know what happenned
"Pinko" is used as a pejorative for perceived communists, not Pinkertons. It's a very understandable mistake to make, since it sounds like it SHOULD be a pejorative for the Pinkertons.
@@draxiss1577 noted, will edit it, thanks for catching that
Remember, Hasbro sees the customers as an obstacle between them and THEIR money.
Thats a good line! will surely use it in a future video
It’s a direct quote too. From a shareholder meeting. Same one where they said dnd was “under monetized” I think
Most companies do. Dealing with customers is a necessity, not a goal.
Who do they think they are? The Federal Government? ;)
...what do you mean, "I only think I'm joking?"
I do like the critique of Paizo paying artists well below standard for their work... seriously that is the one big thing Paizo need to work hard on.
yea I saw somebody say they barely pay their artist so I thought I should put it in
@@DND_101,
Meanwhile WotC uses AI art... *Shrugs*
@@DND_101 I heard that Paizo actually pays well... compared to abysmal industry standard. Ttrpgs aren't ultra profitable, unless you produce dnd.
That is an industry issue for sure. But at least they pay artists, and not AI programs....
Yeah, Paizo isn't perfect, but they at least understand that its important to listen to customer feedback.
The difference between a privately owned company and a publicly traded one.
Also, Paizo was founded and is run by people who used to work for WOTC before Hasbro bought them out, and Hasbro gave them a big payout when they took over, too.
yea thats true, thats why I prefer pathfinder tbh
Paizo is a funny story because I used to not like them back when Pathfinder 1E came out and I heard about how they treated the Rogue class. Supposedly, the reason why original Rogue was so garbage in 1E was because one of the lead designers was extremely biased against them. To the point where a playtester who reported that they were lackluster actually provoked a spite response from this guy who nerfed them even harder.
However, I'll take a million genuine enthusiasts who have weird opinions that I disagree with, out of real passion for the hobby, over a single corporate suit who doesn't give any fucks about the hobby.
@@CrizzyEyes At least they changed it in the Unchained book, while buffing the monk too... and nerfing the summoner.
@@CrizzyEyes ooh, you'll love Rogue's in 2e Remaster. More skills than god. Legit a rogue can get every skill in the game. That's not counting the feats. Options; Rogues got more than anyone I think, Maybe Fighter can compete Lots of flexibility
The fact people from Paizo were once WOTC employees made it all the more credible when the OGL fiasco hit, because several of them had been part of crafting that and outright said 'yeah, no, what's WOTC is trying to do was never intended through the OGL. We were there when it was written.'
Paizo: Every book is packed with both lore stuff and tonnes of rules options for both players and game masters to customise the game however they want! Let's work towards a more inclusive gaming space for everyone!
WotC: 🚬 The Spelljammer book doesn't have rules for ship-to-ship combat, don't bother. Buy a separate board game to get army battles in Dragonlance. Get your DM to fix any problems with our busted game.
sadly thats how it really is
@@DND_101 the spelljammer thing is the bit that irks me the most, because 5e already had functional vehicular combat (in Ghosts of Saltmarsh and Descent into Avernus). WotC is happy to just sit on their IPs, content in the knowledge that there are third-party publishers making actual content for their games. I always compare 5e with Skyrim, since they're both stripped back to make them accessible to everyone at the cost of losing any real depth, and the developers know that any issues will be fixed by a dedicated modding community
@@WolfWalrus I dont think they care to make quality books anymore since the garbage ones bring just as much money, since the goal is maximum profit, not making good content
@@WolfWalrus The Creation Club was like Bethesda's "OGL change" scandal as well, an attempt to make paid mods the norm and ruin everything that makes the game successful in the long term. The analogy works too well.
@@CrizzyEyes "The fifth game in a long-running and well respected RPG series, removing features to make it more broadly accessible at the cost of the complexity that their hard-core fan base has come to love. People generally agree the third one was the best, only veteran old school players play the second, and lots of people pretend to play the first but we all know they're lying."
Three months later:
"Sir, the Kineticist is released!"
"WHEN I SAID YOU SHOULD MAKE IT STRONGER I DIDN'T MEAN IT SHOULD BE THE BEST CLASS IN THE GAME!"
"But sir, people are liking the class, they say it's really cool and unique."
"Oh, really? Then it's okay, people really wanted to re-enact ATLA I guess. Get a raise."
I did not know about that🤣
yep, pretty much,
Though I don't think it's OP compared to the other classes. Just SEEMS like it.
@@michaelshigetani433 yeah, playing Kineticist definitely makes you get a grip at how balanced it is. It's still probably the strongest in the game all things considered, but not by a wide margin.
@@heyfell4301 eh, Spells can do more damage generally. BUT the ability to toss them every turn does help. Technically everything the kinetics can do a spell does better. BUT damnn it's fun!
@@michaelshigetani433 Yeah, Kineticists are more reliable at elemental damage dealing while Spellcasters is what you look at for strong damage dealing.
Why would hasbro print a rulebook when they could print half a rulebook and call it "roleplaying focused"?
true🤣👌
Still charging the full price, though. 😉
How did you manage to sneak cameras into their offices?
I rolled a nat 20 in stealth
Sweet Rogue skilz!! Lol
You're fired.
Ok, now I'm working for Paizo😂😂😂
yea pretty much😂
"I'm fired? Good thing I was already freelancing for Paizo!"
Pinkerton notices
oh shit😨
Anyone else notice how hard Wizards is pushing hardback book sales? Like they really don't make many softbacks. Just seems odd, since hardback tends to be more expensive. They also don't print short as many short adventure modules anymore. Everything is like a full 50 dollar book.
yea thats pretty much what it is
Not to mention that books printed now *Will* fall apart with how cheaply bound their books are, forcing people to buy books more often or frustrate them enough to have them go purely digital
@@growingsageand digital is cheaper for them, because you either buy a pdf, or you get a subscription service
Weird complaint though.
I like hardcovers. They're weighty and look good on the shelf too instead of just being an ugly paperstack while not in use.
Of all the many problems WotC has, them making books that actually feel good to hold is like.... the last that'd I'd ever expect.
@goji253 They also cost way more and are unnecessary for things like a quick adventure one shot.
And frankly I don't care how good they look on a shelf. That's what coffee table books are for.
All of my money already went to games workshop
now they cant steal your money🤣
Damn it's so true.. Wizard's books do have some great cover art..
they put a lot more effort in the cover art than the content🤣
My group and I switched to Pathfinder 2 about 3 months ago, and I can't even look at D&D 5e anymore. The Pathfinder system is superior in every aspect, and I feel that the material treats me with respect (I'm the DM), providing me with all the tools I need.
I feel the same. Same thing happened to me. I decided to try Pathfinder 2e after the OGL business. And found myself going "I should have tried this sooner"
the system for building encounters is the BEST I've ever seen. (if I have to list all the games that includes we'll have a book)
Yeah, WOTC seems to treat the DM like a slave. Paizo like a valued customer.
Y E S! I actually have mechanics instead of being treated like a performing monkey to draw people to buy their sodding products.
It is not superior in accessibility, I'd say. 5e is the most streamlined rule system out there, which is both its greatest strength and weakness. Pathfinder offers a lot of more options and details, but simultaneously more restrictions. To be fair tho, I only know Pathfinder 2 through the Kingmaker game, and while I enjoy the system a lot, I also enjoy the more simplistic nature of 5e.
@@olafgurke4699 kingmaker is first edition. There's only one ac in modern pathfinder.
This is not a joke video, this is a documentary.
"Boss, the players say the new class is too weak!"
Paizo: "good. Nerf the rest"
😂
To be fair there is a lot of mindless dnd drones that will keep buying dnd
yea unfortunatly, I saw the greatness of pathfinder and my friends prefer pathfinder too
@@DND_101 same here, so many great systems that aren't dnd for sure
This would be good as Shorts layout, vertical 🙌
yea I could try my next video as a short, good idea👌
The Pinks are rapidly approaching your location
Yo 😂😂 this was great
Players: Man models are expensive and timely to paint.
Paizo: I gotchu fam -300 token pawn boxes-
😂
The only reason why I cannot use Pathfinder is that it's not in my native language and the player group isn't entirely familiar with English. The availability of Pathfinder in Poland is also pretty expensive last time I checked, since it needs to be imported, what means expensive shipping and obligatory 23% EU tax as the LGS had had PF manuals. Sure we could use the PDF files but we prefer NOT to use phones while board/table/TCG gaming unless it is absolutely an emergency.
Some of my players still have a dislike towards Pathfinder due to OwlCat (Russian game developers) being very aggressive and toxic towards Polish player base which kinda radiated onto the actual system opinion, too.
your situation is valid, I still play dnd mostly but I just acknowledge that the compagny is not the best
Damn so on the money.
DND is great for introducing people to TTRPGs because of how easy to understand the rules are... after that QUICKLY switch to PF
Ngl I never played DND I got into pathfinder 2e straight away and honestly after the initial learning-how-ttrpgs-work learning curve it was pretty easy to understand in my opinion.
its true, its pretty simple and PF is much easier to understand and play once you know dnd
Nailed it
R tellsorian games be like “here’s some car chase rules for free”
looks like that compagny is not infected with corporate greed yet
One company makes games. Other company makes profit.
fr😂
True
Sad but true
Economy is broken, but Paizo are still the least of two evils
Paizo watermarking every single page of your official pdfs until they load like actual garbage ... makes me pirate pdfs i already own.
oh wow I did not know it was this bad😬
To be fair...the artwork is a BIG part of why I buy WOTC stuff 😂
I am trying to talk my group into giving Pathfinder a try though. I like the greater depth in combat and character design it appears to offer
did you convince them yet?
Based on true stories
I’ve been reading old warhammer fantasy roleplay books and the difference is astounding the books tell you accents, common folk views and noble views, YOU CAN BE A DUNG COLLECTOR FOR SOME REASON, and magic is dangerous but you can cast as many times as you want(you might die or go insane if you get unlucky but still) then there’s dnd where the lore is hand waved and the rules feel more like restrictions I haven’t played pathfinder but I much prefer warhammer rpgs since there’s so much more of a focus on role playing and getting into character with little details like after becoming a Dwarf Daemon Slayer the only exit from your career(class basically) is a glorious death
oh wow, might look into that game, looks fun!
Nothing about the ogl fiasco on how it affected pathfinder 2e sales vs dnd 5e sales?
how did it affect the sales between the 2?
@@DND_101 i remember seeing some news that the crb for pf2e, physical copies anyway
Ran out
Because many are migrating to such
Myself included
Honestly like pf2e more
Even has room for all sorts of builds for most classes like my first one i built in pathbuilder 2e, a tengu monk
The monk has all sorts of build options
Such as a ranged monk, or the classic hand to hand monk with stances, or a melee weapon using one
Then i started to build more and more characters of all sorts of classes(still cant figure out investigator right)
My faves right now being Thaumaturge and Oracle
@@legendarydigitize2523 Not only did they run out of copies of the CRB, they ran out of what was suppposed to be an eight month supply of the CRB in a matter of weeks. It was absolutely bonkers in the best way.
👏👏👏
Does Paizo not pay their artists???
no not much
As a person who is stuck playing D&D 5e because it is what my friends run but runs Pathfinder 1e personally: I do think that the idea that Paizo is without sin gets a little too syncophantic. Paizo is much better about keeping any outrage they induce in us smaller and more personal.
I find great irony in the idea that Paizo takes feedback. When we were helping them playtest 2e, the head of their messageboards and the COO's partner straight up stated that
1 any feedback outside their very specific playtest material testing was not something they wanted. (Ie they wanted us to test if healing was well balanced but only at levels 8-10, with a specfic party composition that all could cast off the divine list and exclusively while fighting undead.)
2 when people asked why the above, he cited that he had worked on Magic the Gathering's Alpha release (Richard Garfield and others remember him playing the game enthusiastically and hired him on to pack boxes during unlimited's printing as it took off) and that no one then had believed that a new unproved business concept like a TCG would work except him and Richard.
According to Vic this is a prime example of how the fans don't know what they want even though unproven completely new type of game (Magic) vs evolution of a formula (PF 2e) are two far different situations for fans to be giving input about.
you right, paizo is definitly not sin free, but the things wotc do is sometimes so dumb its just much easier to make content out of that
Hopefully the union within Paizo fixes their two main problems; bad pay and opaque management
"Bad pay" is an issue industry wide.
How they really treat their customers
DnD: We offer product and we want money from you
PF: We offer product and we want money from you
Drastic difference - All rules for pathfinder are available free, officially sanctioned by paizo. (Archives of Nethys)
For D&D 5e you get the piddly system reference document which has... Uh, like 5 levels of features for 5 or 6 classes, plus barely enough spells to cover that progression.
This illustrates the core difference - paizo understands that they are selling products for a TTRPG, and so gives out player options and rules freely, due to the nature of the hobby being so focused on per-table customisation and creativity. whereas WotC just sees the "sell product" part and ignores everything else. You can see the same attitude in how they manage MTG, with the constant absurd powercreep and refusal to ban format breaking cards for as long as they actively print them.
Isn't it like... Everything works, no?
@@citereh6135 It seems like people often forget that
lol
Yes, Wizards of the Coast are made perfectly.
I stopped buying WotC products when they admitted that Orcs remind them of black people 😂
they said that💀?!
Except the new covers for wotc's stuff look HORRIBLE
yea true, definitly not their best work
You forgot the part where Paizo tells people what character options their allowed to play or not play via ancestry rarity and ACP
Rarity is more about prevalence in the setting and is more just to give newer GMs confidence to ban stuff if they're worried about it causing problems in the game. Nothing stopping a homebrew setting from just making, say, skeletons a common ancestry for example. Or even just changing the rarity to reflect the particular region of Golarion they're in (pretty sure you'd count the Skeleton ancestry as common for a campaign set in Geb like the Blood Lords adventure path).
Not sure how the Armour Check Penalty comes into play because that actually disappears if you meet the armour's strength minimum. As long as you hit the armour's Dex cap you actually end up with the same AC whether that armour's leather or splint (except for heavy armour, that one is one point higher but also bloody expensive).
@@procrastinatinggamer not armor check penalties, I meant achievement points
@@captainrelyk Oh, those are only for Pathfinder Society games, the PF version of Adventurer’s League.
oops😶
@@DND_101You didn't forget anything pertinent - rarity's purely a GM tool and the achievement points they were referring to is just for organised play. I'm sure Adventurer's League has something similar.
Honestly this is very accurate, I was a loyal DnD and when spelljammer came out and they changed things for the woke crowd it annoyed me. However the icing on the cake was when I order dragon lance and it took over 3 months and they didn’t acknowledge their mistake that they never put in the order and kept blaming the shipping company and I complained and asked for a refund and they gave it to me but didn’t even apologise just said this time we will refund you but we don’t normally do that. Now I’m happy pathfinder gamer
wow, feels like you gave ideas to work with😂 dnd is really worse than I thought
This implies that paizo forgets to pay people and makes unbalanced classes, then forces people to buy new books to fix them. I think both Pathfinder and dnd are bad.
They definitely did the "makes unbalanced classes and forces people to buy new books" thing in 1E. I haven't played 2E, but to my knowledge it's a lot better. So I'm willing to forgive that as a genuine mistake for first edition.
And you can thank that to boomer in 2008 that cause this kind of shit to happen
This was incorrect... what they were talking about was a play test material... quoting the complaint, I think, about the playtest for the just released Kineticist.
However, unlike D&D, _all_ of Pathfinder2e rules are available for free online the Archives of Nethys. So, no purchase is necessary.
@@aralornwolf3140 Pathfinder is definitely better than dnd, I just think that both are bad. I usually like playing indie RPGs to support small creators and to find something more specific to what I want an rpg to be like without any excessive homebrewing.
Well, there are many other fish in the sea......
D&D has been nothing but good to me. Every complaint I hear about them has been stupid.
Horrible balancing both between PCs and in the awful CR system?
Missing content and systems such as magic items not having prices and the SPELLJAMMER BOOK not having any rules for SPELLJAMMER COMBAT?
@@scorchmcscorchyson7597 First of all, balancing encounters is a bad idea. Secondly, by balancing the PCs do you mean the classes?
The thing about the ship combat is not entirely true. Ship combat works the same as regular combat. It's basically just mounted combat.
@@mkklassicmk3895 the classes are not balanced against one another leading to incredible disparities in ability between the PCs, yes. And it’s not things you’d expect, like the barbarian being the tanky-est or whatever, it’s spellcasters having a monopoly on all aspects of gameplay in a way martials can’t compete with. Not to mention martials having extremely boring combat, worst offender of which is the rogue who gets a single attack every turn that they have to go for in order to make their damage competitive. Want to double your odds of hitting sneak attack? Now you have to spend your bonus action to do so, making you EVEN LESS INTERESTING in combat.
And what do you mean balancing encounters is a bad idea? It’s a GOOD idea to provide a challenge you know is unlikely to be lethal. Difficult encounters are fun because encounters that are too easy or too hard aren’t.
5e puts all of the work in the GM, from magic item prices, to how to run ship combat (they’re not going to tell you), go the crafting system, to balancing their game for them because the CR system is broken. That’s bad design.
@@mkklassicmk3895 "balancing encounters is a bad idea" is the take of the year I think
I have to disagree on most points. 5e was my first real dive in to table top rpg. I'd played some others, like Vampire, but never got in to it because the rules and lore were so convoluted and involved. Whilst stripping it down to make it more accessible to new players might seem lazy, it allows for DMs and players to get much more imaginative and forces them not to rely on premade modules all the time. The story is supposed to be written by the players, not the creators of the system. If it's rules for gameplay, yeah you shouldn't have to convert it from older systems, but I've only once had to do that. Regardless, the old systems are still there and you can play them all you want. No one is forcing anyone to buy the new editions. Fifth edition just made it so more people could play, which solved a huge problem in older editions. The problem of finding enough reliable players to get past level 3. It also fine tuned a lot of things and made death a lot less common and arbitrary. Like the fact that it wasn't hard to die from falling off a horse at level one. I'd much prefer the books being a little bare-bones over having to spend a month learning lore just to have your wizard die because they tripped and fell off the sidewalk on to a thorn bush.
I get your point and you are right, its certainly easier for beginners, but pathfinder I believe has better content and is more fun for veteran dnd players
DM'ed a 3.5 edition module for a group that included two 5th edition players, their first time with 3.5. Nobody died, but when i ran the module how it was supposed to be run, and they rushed into an ADMITTEDLY ON THEIR PART obvious trap and nearly died, i got called a "killer DM" by one of the two 5th players and the other one whined that the SIXTH level bad guy could cast a SECOND level spell on his summoned monster. Soft-ass babies. Also, 3.5 isn't that hard if you're not brain-damaged. The hard edition is 2nd. That was the first one I played. THAT one, you could die at a moment's notice. You'd have to be......"special".....to die quickly in third edition.
oh shit, i just looked it up. Cause Fear is a FIRST level spell, not second. LOL. Git gud.
I'm sorry, but you lost me when you implied that the rules for Vampire are more convoluted than D&D, one of the most numbers-heavy crunch games out there, with a system for magic that is totally silo'd off from the rest of the rules. It's honestly amazing that D&D is seen as the norm for tabletop RPGs. Dice pools are way simpler and more consistent than a typical d20 game. Yes, even 5th edition.
You're also a bit misinformed when it comes to earlier editions. Dying immediately at 0 HP hasn't been a thing since base 3rd edition, which most people agree sucked even among D&D fans. On 3.5 going forward, falling off your horse at level 1 would result in you at worst falling unconscious but any healing would be able to save you.
@@CrizzyEyes If I lost you at the end of the second sentence then I have nothing to say to you. Maybe get un-lost and read the rest of my comment. I won't be able to tell, however, as you lost me at "you lost me when", so I won't be reading any more of what you have to say. Really don't feel like listening to your opinion on an table top rpg when you can't read two sentences without giving up.