The New Smith & Wesson FPC - Folding Pistol Carbine
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Smith and Wesson just sent me the new Folding Pistol Carbine (FPC) to review. This unique folding carbine may seem like other folders, but is a bit different. Watch to see how it does and hear my thoughts on the new FPC.
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I can see this being a good seller for S&W, the portfolio for all their firearms makes them a pretty decent one stop shop for whatever someone might be into.
This carbine has everything I wanted but lacked in my Gen1 Keltec sub 2000. Overall build quality and reliability also looks better.
Thank you for a nice thoughtful reveiw. Can't wait to see it in person.
Great video... Picked mine up yesterday for $619. Don't think you mentioned how nice it'll be to actually keep ur optics on while folded VS others.... Huge pro!!! Also looks like the butt stock is removable for possible upgrades down the road. Thanks again for this vid darlin 😊👏🥰
With braces going away, possibly, then I see firearms like this and the Kel-Tec Sub2k becoming much more popular.
Braces might not go away if we support lawsuits against the new rules.
Only go away if you give in and let them take them away… I am not
@@trentrockwell6598 Even if I wasn't, you wouldn't see me bragging about it on public forums.
It would put me in the same category as gangsters who rip off ATMs and then post pictures on their social media accounts waving fat stacks of cash minutes later. Making a prosecutor's case easy is not chief amongst my goals.
@@shuumai Which I do, financially and through probably 8 signed petitions so far.
@@EngineeringWizard11 excellent
Nice! I live Smith and Wesson 👍🏼
Great review Ava! Looks like another good one from S&W. Thank for sharing the info.
Hopefully this will bring Homesteader down to 500-600 range.
Thanks for the review. I've been thinking about getting a PCC for a while, and already own an M&P9 compact, so this might fit the bill. Been watching other reviews, and no one seems to like the mag retention mechanism in the buttstock. If the FPC becomes popular I could see other companies making aftermarket stocks for it.
Was just at the range yesterday and they are waiting for their delivery. I am seriously considering grabbing one of these to go along with my equalizer which I also am very pleased with. Great video.
They’re sold out everywhere…
@@thadlm2698 update ordered last week and it is coming in this week 618 inc. tax
I understand people's complaint about the orientation of the magazine storage and the way the release mechanism works. However, I experimented with mine and found that if I bring my left in towards my shoulder and "cup" my hand underneath both magazines that I use my fingertips to depress the lever on the right side and then use my thumb to start sliding out the magazine then once it's out I can rotate my wrist so that the magazine is oriented correctly with the magazine well. With some practice you can be ejecting the spent magazine at the same time that you are reaching for the new mag. However, I did this with the magazines empty. It may be slightly more difficult once the magazines are full. Again, practice, practice, practice. And safely of course
This would be really handy in 10mm
If this sells well, I see no reason they wouldn't release future models to match the rest of their M&P Pistol lineup, and possibly some others because who doesn't love a matching carbine & sidearm. Imagine this in 30SC with a grip module to match the Shield Plus. That'd be a strange one, but possibly very cool and it would help legitimize the caliber. I'm not sure the market really needs 30SC right now, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't find it interesting.
I prefer it in 40 S&W
@@videogazer801 10mm kurz
So a S&W version of a keltec 9mm carbine. Probably not for me but I like that S&W is coming out with new products.
Interesting gun. Thanks for the review Ava 💪🏾🇺🇸
23 rounds, Ava. The extended mags each holds 23. The same 23 round mags that I have for my S&W M&P 2.0 handgun (Spec Series).
Definitely looks fun to suppress.
With the new S&W 5.7 just coming out. I really hope they make an FPC in 5.7 available soon!
Exactly. 5.7 out of a 16" barrel would be screaming.
you do not need to push opposite side button to release mag, you can gently pull up with edge of finger same side button for the mag release. It works both ways
Yes, you are right. I figured that out pretty quickly when I got mine. I would add the word "up" to your description as in pull up on the same side button to release mag. Some people consider not buying this gun just because of the so called opposite mag release button issue.
I'm using gravity to assist the stored mag drop into my hand. Grip mag release pushes mag out nicely, rotate mag 180 and slam home. Rack the charging handle and play.
Honestly, I'd rather see the barrel completely detach, like the Ruger 10/22 Takedown. There's too much bulkiness around the sides of the frame. I'd also get rid of the magazine holder. It's awkward pulling them forward and out while shouldered, especially if you are right handed and pulling the right side magazine out, and vice versa for lefties pulling the left mag out. The gun is a little backside heavy as well with that massive bolt. I can imagine how much heavier it would be with two full magazines in the stock. Simple enough though to have someone 3D print my own design. I do however, love the trigger/firing control mechanism.
Looks like they did a good job on this one!
I picked one up today and took it to the range... It's hella fun to shoot. I put a 2moa red dot on it and was getting nice tight groups. It just fits on your hands well and I naturally pull up a good sight picture. And recoil is so minimal its easy to keep on target.
I imagine that magazine release on the stock is one of the first things the aftermarket companies are going to mess with. I don't mind the idea of pressing to release the opposite magazine, but I understand how that would annoy some people, and I can already imagine several ways to fix that.
Seems like you’d have to do the old buttstock on hip reload for that.
A refinement of the Kel-Tec folding carbine idea. However, the sideways folding feature allows optic mounting, unlike the K-T Sub-2000's over-the-top mechanism. The in-stock mag stowage is also a nice touch.
The silly overall length restriction is probably why an adjustable stock isn't included. FREE THE SBRs!!
it looks like a sub-2000 that doesnt suck
@@funigui I have long toyed with getting a Sub-2000, but there was always something I wanted more. That upward fold that precluded an optic was the big turnoff.
@@funigui as a sub 2k owner, I concur! I'm probably buying this and selling my sub2k 🤷🏽♂️
@@petesheppard1709 The ATF measures overall length with the stock fully extended, so definitely not the reason.
@@redtra236 Thanks!
I have one, it fits the whole truck/trunk gun narrative very well. If it would take Glock magazines more folks would be happy. I have an M&P 2.0 that pairs nicely with it. 9mm with a good defensive round is good enough for me and I understand why folks want it in 10mm. 10mm is too expensive for me to stock up on 2000 rounds for it. With a suppressor and subsonic 9mm it is stealthy quiet according to another TH-cam video . Mine was $565 + tax.
Only a minute into the video… when does this come out? 👀
I’ve always thought the “idea” of the Kel Tec Sub2k was neat but not as practical as it should be, this however seems more practical.
TIP: I have always carried full size M&P and with the Floyd's FPC maxwell, there's no need for the biscuit spacers and your pinky finger on your strong hand won't get pinched anymore while performing a mag change. Also the mag storage release does make since. Access the mag closest to you from the first accessible side and access the other from the opposite side. The mag will be in the correct position for mag seating in the mag well.
I have a takedown full size PCC in another brand…. And I think I like this concept of folding vs. takedown better. I’d probably not buy a first gen of this, but I like the concept for sure.
I like it this way so that you can keep the optic on it.
I also already have a 9mm PCC and I tried really hard to convince myself I didn't need another one. I failed. This is mine soon. Two is one, one is none. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Great review! I completely agree, the FPC is a whole different animal compared to the sub2k. They have the same party trick, but the FPC is a much more refined firearm. One note about the ETS mags. They will fit in the buttstock mag storage, they just don't lock in unfortunately (because of the missing holes you mentioned in the video). Although, even if they did, those 30rd mags stick out so far that it interferes with my forearm when holding the grip. I actually ended up removing the factory buttstock and replaced it with Taccom3g's aftermarket stock. With the factory stock, filled with 2 loaded 23rd mags, the rifle was extremely tail heavy. With the Tacom3g stock, it now feels perfectly balanced. Now I just need Apex to release a trigger upgrade!
Great review, I subscribed to your channel as a result. I am very excited about this offering. You are right - it's not a Sub 2000 and I am glad you mentioned that. It seems to fix every single issue I have with the sub 2000 from the way it folds so no optic can go on there unless you buy an offset mount, to the very heavy charging handle and the not really intuitive location of that charging handle, to the crummy onboard sights, etc. In Canada, it looks like these are coming in (to be classified as non-restricted due to the imported version having a 18.6" barrel) and will have 3 magazines as well, albeit limited to 10 rounds as per Canadian law. For the fact it includes 3 mags and a nice carry bag, and the fact that it is not a sub2000 clone, I will for sure be getting one. Would be interested to know what degree of plastic is on that as opposed to the Sub2K. You are right about the spare magazine release button thing - it does seem rather awkward and not an intuitive design. Anyway, great review and hope we get our shipments at our dealers soon.
A year edit later - I got mine in January 2024 and absolutely love it. It has been selling out in Canada everywhere. The entire package is just well presented. Bag is nice, extra magazines (despite all limited to 10) is fine - as these things are $60.00 + tax here. The folding thing is great as I can keep my Sig Romeo 5 on the gun the whole time. It feeds everything - all grains, all types of bullets including even Gold Dot G2s, and Critical Defense, both of which I have had problems feeding in my other PCCs. No issues with feed or extraction.
A few things to note: 1. maybe it's the nature of blowback design but this gun gets dirty very fast. Disassembly was relatively straight forward. 2. When i got it the charging handle was VERY stiff. I ended up running some G96 on it and it make it much better and with use it is fine - which I am glad as one of the issues I had with my now-previous Sub2000 was the inordinately heavy charging handle. 3. I think this may be the design of the buttstock and the springs in there, but everytime I shoot it I get this twanging noise from it, which is amplified by my ear pro. No biggie, just thought I'd mention. 4. The only design flaw in my opinion, is the bolt catch/bolt release. Not very intuitive and the operation is not great. But despite this - overall a superb product, thank you Ava, for the great initial review on it. It is your review that made me want to buy it and I am glad I did. Blessings from Canada!
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This is exactly the video I was looking for. My wife's had the sub 2000 for years now and it's good but she's wanted the red dot. Foregrip. And a better stock. This just might be her Christmas gift
Excellent video. I actually bought one last week for about $650. I love it. I also bought a thousand rounds of ammo which will go quick in this fun to shoot gun
I get my 1000 rounds from SG Ammo. $258, I think. Have you found it cheaper?
I love the gun I think it’s amazing what you get for the price. I just want more power than a pistol can offer for something I’m going to take with me in a carbine size gun.
I love mine. It's my favorite PCC. I put a Vortex Strikefire 2 red dot on it so it's super accurate.
UPDATE ON S&W FPC FAILURE.......
I got my FPC back in about 3 1/2 weeks which kind of surprised me. I thought it would take a bit longer. When I picked it up, I field stripped it (wife videoed) in the store to ensure the bolt would only go together one way. It did. The guys at the gun shop had no problem with the video. The owner gave me the paperwork from S&W where they indicated they had totally replaced the old broken bolt with a new one. I took it down to the range and fired....yes fired....a little over 100 rounds. It functioned perfectly, no problems at all. I used what I had tried to fire the first time....Blazer Brass 115gr FMJ's....and I also fired about 6 NATO M17 124gr frangile rounds. All fired no problem. While it will take me some time to have confidence in this weapon, at least for now, it seems to be functioning properly. If there is a problem with it in the future it will go back to S&W, but if there is a third time, I will evoke the NC lemon law which says you do not have to try three times to get anything to work properly. That applies to everything not just cars. I will be doing a disassembly/ reassembly video on this shortly. I have seen a few and they leave off some things I believe are important.
Have you uploade the disassembly/ reassembly video yet, I didnt see it on your page. The pizza oven vids look interesting but hardly interchangable. 😉
@kobolila-yt I don't have a video on the FPC on my channel. Just the CD N4S. I've recently been diagnosed with the big C so I've had to put my production on hold a bit.
On my channel...be sure IRS the one with the RED dot by the name and not the blue. The blue has been hi jacked and being held for ransom.
7:05 that’s a good technique, never thought of that!
I picked one up the other day and out of the box it took me and the Jolly Green Giant to pull back the charging handle. Unreal. After disassembling, cleaning and oiling it works MUCH better.
Kudos for using the charging handle to lock and release the barrel. On YT you will see most people just pulling and then slamming it back. While you can do that, it will eventually wear the charging handle to the degree it will not hold the barrel securely. BTW, it says in the manual to use the charging handle, but who reads those things??????
I called S&W with a couple of questions and found their reps have received no training on the weapon and know very little about it. One thing I wanted to ask about is what's the deal of having to take a dowel and hammer to get the bolt back in??? I asked would that eventually go away. But, they had no clue.
I also asked that since the manual only covers a basic field stripping for cleaning, what is the best way to clean the trigger housing area. Crickets. No answer. After talking we basically agreed just getting a can of gun cleaner spray and letting loose would work followed by copious oiling.
Finally, the price difference is unreal. I picked mine up for $567 only to see it in another store for $799. That's over a $200 difference. So if someone is really interested in getting one of these, I would HIGHTLY recommend looking around for the best price.
Took it out to the range and ran 50 rounds through it. Out of those 50, only 5 fired. The rest were cycled by me and the changing handle. So far this is the worse weapon out of the box I have ever owned. I took it back to the place I purchased it from and they are going to send it to S&W. Bottom line, I bet I will be out of $600 and not have a functioning weapon. This sucks.
@@theoldshooter9011 It sounds like you have no clue what you are doing. What do you mean the charging handle locks and releases the barrel? No it doesn't. That makes zero sense. 5 out of 50? Yeah, ok. Just ran 150 flawless rounds through mine, a mix of Norma 124 grain FMJ, Hornady Critical Duty 124 grain and Federal 124 grain Hydrashok. Put the mag in the magwell, pull the charging handle all the way back and let it fly forward. Bang bang bang. So easy, a Democrat could figure it out, although he/she/it would probably need counseling for PTSD afterwards.
@@elvaquero4965 Yep, you're probably correct. After 35 years with the military and mission after mission, dealing with US, European and Soviet weapons you would think I would have learned a thing or two.
As for the charging handle, it fits into one of the Mlok slots and is the barrel is held there by friction. I believe it is page 9 of the manual (mine got shipped back to S&W) S&W instructs you to pull the charging handle back about a quarter of an inch to release the barrel. Continued closing and opening by just pulling or pushing will wear down the charging handle such that it will no longer retain the barrel. But that is S&W advice, what do they know huh?
as for the ammo, yep cycle 50 rounds thru and only 5 of them fired. I suspect, but remember I have no clue what I am talking about, but I suspect it is an bolt issue. Oh why would I say such blasphemy????? Again going back to the manual, S&W notes that the two pieces of the bolt can only be assembled ONE way. And, when I initially cleaned and oiled the weapon out of the box it indeed would assemble only ONE way. However, when I field stripped it at the range and removed the two bolt sections, it now could be assembled TWO ways. Where before the smaller part of the bolt assembly would slide on only from one direction, it now would slide on from either direction.
But thank you so much for pointing out my lack of knowledge and I promise I will endeavor to acquire more knowledge and impart it in an educated and thoughtful manner. Bless your heart!
@@theoldshooter9011 Ok, I see what you are trying to say now, but you seem to have a sore lacking in firearms terminology for someone who allegedly fingered firearms for 35 years. The charging handle does not hold the "barrel," it friction locks into the M-Lok handguard. Do you not know what a barrel is? You are calling the entire forend assembly the "barrel?" 🤣
Sounds like you disassembled the thing, then screwed up the reassembly and now the folks at S&W have to fix your fuck-up. Best stick to your Soviet weapons. Hard to be dumb enough to screw up an AK. 😂
In my to get list ..great video..Thank you 👌💯
Got mine two weeks ago love it
FPC comes with 2-23 round Magazines and 1 -17 round Magazine. I have one and like it!!
The good thing is all of my 17&15 M&P Double Stack Magazines runs in it... aswell as my 2-32 round after market Magazines 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
I lubed it up before firing it,also lubed changing handle and the folding..
Great video. Definitely don't like it too many touch points and the folding is not cool. Just like to pick up and shoot. Hope they make one that doesn't fold.
The magazine holder, since you mentioned Kydex, I thought of the adjustable universal mag holders by Tulster. Those little tension adjusters might have been a better plan.
S&W quality - what's not to like?
Ava - great video.
Appreciate this review, an interesting weapon. Looking at the stock, I don't like the looks of it as it seems very bulky especially with the mags in place, and the idea that the stock does not adjust is another negative. Good price, but I will forego buying this one. I have a funny feeling with all the antigun laws in the Colorado Legislature this would probably be one they would also want to ban. Just found your channel but have known about you dad for years.
Pretty good deal at that price 👌
Maybe they didn't want the rounds in the backup mags facing up because if they got struck in a firefight the bullet might be going up through your chin? Just speculating.
I purchased a Sub 2000 couple of years ago and really wanted to like the gun but just didn't like it. I feel the FPC would be ore to my liking. Maybe run some 147gr with a suppressor. Probably make a great bedside gun suppressed. I would love to see this gun in 40 Cal. Great video. Thanks, RT
... I don't want to seem condescending but many of your questions are answered in the owners manual ...
I'll wait with my purchase till S&W makes a shorter barrel version with extendable (shortable) stock.
Ahh instead of pushing on the buttons to get the mags out and it being opposite you can pull up on those tabs instead of pushing them and the same side will release i think this is the proper way
Good review and cool gun 👍
Nice video and review
I'm a little surprised that there's no rail on the receiver.
I think they wanted to avoid a shift in zero each time you fold and unfold the carbine. If you have a rear BUIS or possibly red dot on the receiver and the barrel is folding separately you could mess up the zero pretty easy. Forcing the user to mount any sights on one rail that fixed to the barrel should make it very similar to an AR upper, how you can have a lower that loose but the upper stays zeroed or you can swap the upper between different lowers. That's what I think at least.
@@joshbonds3599 It makes sense. Also one can take an cantilever raiser for AR and mount it backwards.
@@zaitcev0 There's an idea. It would increase the folded length some but it might be worth the tradeoff depending on someone's needs.
Excellent vid! Picked one up couple of days ago. I just wish S&W created a Picatinny rail on the back half so that I can use a short eye relief prism sight.
In case you haven't seen it by now, there is a company out there that makes an accessory pic rail that mounts over the polymer portion of the receiver. It will give you the shortened ER that you desire. Sorry - I can't remember the name of this company, but I'm sure you can find it.
@@ixnorp4270 I just searched it and found one on tacom's website. Thank you!
Thanks for the video! Do you think or know if you used a suppressor on this weapon, would it be quiet enough to shoot without ear protection?
Definitely an improvement over the Keltec.
Too bad they didn't include a rail further back to mount optics. If you want to use anything that doesn't have unlimited eye relief it's gonna be an issue. If you want a scope you'd need a scout or pistol scope more than likely(long eye relief). And what sucks about that is the weight of the optic shifts the center of gravity forward. The Sub 2000 has the same issue which is why I ended up going with the PC carbine. And I can still use my iron sights with the mount I used too. And speaking of iron sights it'd definitely be nice if some were included with the gun/integrated into it. Both the Sub 2000 and PC carbine have them standard. Still a nice gun though don't get me wrong.
I agree with the iron sights
Eh. I'm glad they shipped it with nothing to keep the price down. 99% of buyers are going to choose their own optic anyway, so why raise the price to include something that's just going to go in the spare parts bin? I already have a set of flip-up irons that came with another gun, and they're probably going to go on this.
@@herbderbler1585 At least for me if I have any sort of optic that requires a battery to function(not counting lit scope reticles since it can still be used without them) I always want to have backup iron sights
@@redtra236 I agree, I prefer to always have an unpowered backup. This thing doesn't have much rail space though, so I probably won't do anything cowitness. I'm planning on using flip-up irons at first because it keeps the gun as light and compact as possible, plus I honestly need more practice with irons at longer distances. After awhile I'll probably put a microprism on it, but I've been too spoiled by optics. I need to get back to basics and this is as good an excuse as any.
S&W is the new Kel-tec. It’s pretty cool what they’re doing something new and exciting
They’re definitely creating some cool guns!
Your are so lovely 😊 I liked your video on the smith and Wesson FPC. I’m sure it will be awhile before we see them available.
I hope they release it in different calibers.
With the debut of this FPC, the KelTec Sub2000 is suddenly being heavily discounted. It would seem to be a great bargain, though I'd guess this S&W uses higher quality materials and fitment. With what seems to be an expanding push to ban "assault rifles," I wonder what the ATF is thinking about these new PCC folders? 'Nice video editing, Ava.
Discontinued?
Just picked one up and the first thing I noticed is they used the compact pistol grip instead of the full size. Stupid move! If you use the full size mags that don't have the little spacer, you have a gap that can pinch the hell out of your little finger! Second they should have extended the pic rail on the grip portion so you can mount a rear sight. Third, why not just include a flash suppressor?
Heads up everybody, I have been releasing the bolt catch on the FPC with my thumbnail on my offhand. Yes it was a full magazine every time. Enjoy! No, I did not have the nasty long thumbnails.. lol
I got ETS mags for my FPC they didn't work. Good Review.
What issue did you have with them?
@@AvaFlanell the only way they lock into place is if you open the bolt, if you close the bolt it hits the magazine and it won't go into battery, I tried removing the the follower and loading the magazine the gun won't go into battery, I talked to ETS they said they have heard the mags aren't working.
I got mine 560.00 love it
Ava, how are you liking the firearm so far?
2000 rounds no problems 2 inch Groups at 100 yards
Looks heavy compared to the sub2000, the side folder hinge looks thick.
The comparisons to the sub2000 are valid as the keltec is the original folding 9mm pcc and cosmeticly without a field strip the look very similar.
Mag storage on the gun is gimmicky.
Your the first I've seen review this good job ava.
gimmicky how? I think its a great idea. It does look heavier than the sub2000 but I bet its way more robust, last way longer and be able to stand up to hard use.
I think it only weighs 5 pounds
Mine failed after 300 rounds. Some light strikes then nothing. Roll pin in bolt not controlling the firing pin during fire or reset. Haven’t been able to get a response from S&W.
iI just got this. I had a 9mm pistol that i bought 2500 rounds for. So once i sold the pistol i needed a gun chambered for 9mm.
Don't basically all red dot sights have unlimited eye relief?
Well, yeah true
Thanks for creating and presenting an informing video. Enjoyable! Additionally, would you comment on the Sig Romeo sight. Did you enjoy it, would you pruchase one? Would you comment on other red dot sights you possibly own or regularily use. Thanks.
i am sure someone will make aftermarket mags that WILL fit that holder.
I wish they wouldn't show rapid firing of weapons on here, no range that I have ever gone to will let you do rapid fire.
Are the mags proprietary or do they have a pistol for them too?
Hi,
Your video looks great. Can you make a new video for cleaning S&W FPC ? Thank you.
Start at the tip and work your way to the bottom....subscribed! Lol
Accuracy?
You lift up on the magazine holder and pull same side mag out 😮
Does it take Glock mags ? Great review, I will check one out if I ever see one
No
What optic do you recommend?
Since she didn't answer - although a 1x prism scope would work, they will be positioned too far forward to get the full view. Therefore, a good red dot sight such as a Sig Romeo5 will work just fine. And there are probably a hundred more red dots out there that would work just fine too.
It's like I have seen this before, maybe LAST WEEK! HAHAHAHA! LMAO!
We don’t talk about that… lol
@Ava Flanell ohh oops, shhh my lips are sealed! 🤣 🤣!
You’re not going to have both hands on the same side, how awkward would that be. You’re naturally going to have one hand on one side and the other hand on the other side, hence the reason the mag unlocks are designed for the opposite sides.
Yeah, s&w engineers are like professors who never owned and ran a business teaching how to run a business. Looks good in theory but actual use, not so practical. I mean have you tried dropping the slide stop? It's nearly impossible because it's barely there. I'm hoping an after market company will provide a some upgrade smarter than s&w engineers for common sense use.
Yeah, that's a S&W Sub 2000. Granted it's a slightly different take on the idea, and it's more refined, but give credit where credit is due. The idea came from Kel-Tec. George Kellgren seems to be Smith & Wesson's primary idea man. They copied the KSG and now the Sub 2000. They should put George on the pay roll.
If you want to play it that way, no, keltech doesn't have any credit due. They simply "copied" any one of the multiple folding guns that preceded the sub 2000. The Burgess shotgun and sometimes 45/70 is an example of a similar folding mechanism at the breech. Their patents were issued in 1894.
@@ThorMartini6 I suppose you could look at it that way, however that firearm is not in production, and hasn't been for quite some time. Sure, a folding gun is not new, but nothing is. This definitely has a lot of features that resemble the Sub 2000. Sure there are differences, but It's a blow-back operated, 9mm, magazine fed, folding carbine, with the charging handle on the stock tube, and the magazines feeds from the gripe like a pistol, It also has the stock, barrel, and receiver in-line requiring high sights. All of these features cause it to "resemble" the Sub 2000. It's said that "Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery". I think Mr. Kellgren considers it flattery when companies copy his work. After all his work has been imitated quite often.
@@Joe5561000 everything is a copy of everything if you look at it that way, doesn't matter whether it's currently in production or not. One similarity and people consider it just a copy. How about evaluate what is different about it rather than dismiss it as just a copy? They made significant improvements in the folding design compared to keltech.
Will it fire closed
No. In fact, it won't fold when a round is chambered. No flagging while folding or folded.
Hey why didn’t you post this on rumble
This looks interesting but they really need to make this in 5.7 and/or 10mm
When will someone ask about Glock mags!??
I just did.
😂
lol
The bag is made by Gucci. They left it plain so that you can put an LV on it. Otherwise, it looks like a pretty decent backpack gun. Good on ya Smith & Wesson!
Lol
Very beautiful ! Yeah the firearm is ok too, I don’t like the butt stock though.
Thanks ☺️
What. Caliber. Is. This weapon ????
9mm
Hope someone makes a slim butt pad that holds no mags . Slim it down.
Or put one mag on top of another when pulling them out. Still a slim pad
Hmm, not a bad idea
They copied the s2k but changed the folding angle. Sleek. It is also much bulkier but hey my sub 2k has been a jamfest- if they made it reliable it's still cool
If they can make a few tweaks: charging handle, glock mag compatibility, and adjustable stock this would be great
Too bad that because of the barrel it would be considered Restricted in Canada!
No Hate here! but I don't understand . It's seems like you know what you doing, have lost of experience with a gun . But they way how you handling them makes me worry. Like it's first time. Get a grip on that thing girl. Like you on it. It's mine ! Grab it like it's a bat and you about to hit somebody with it
Great Review Iv got one of these been doing some “Upgrades” Including better eye relief option.Iv never seen a table top review on a carbine handled with such grace Good Job.✌🏻By the way on a good Dot/Circle dot Holosun is the stuff for me for many years NO Issues.On the butt stock Mag holders think there more for having with you for emerg,storage and can duck out to reload if need B. I will say on those 23 rounders you go through a box of 50 Quick🤑 I Subbed easy on the eyes hard to watch some of these grubby suckers lol.✌🏻