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Gold Note PH-10 Phono Preamp + PSU-10 Power Supply
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- Artist: Boards of Canada, Album: Geogaddi, Track: Gyroscope, (c) 2002 Warp Records.
Turntable: Pro-Ject Carbon RPM5
Cartridge: SoundSmith Zephyr MKIII
Power amplifier: Audio Research Reference 75.
Speakers: Polk LSiM707
Subwoofer: REL 212/SE
Power: PS Audio P5 Power Plant
Preamp/room correction: Marantz AV8801
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I have this setup, sounds beautiful, looks even better!
Thank you.
Why don't you read the user manual? You have placed them wrong!!!
PH-10 is on the RIGHT HAND SIDE.
PSU is on the LEFT HAND SIDE.
By the way, they should NOT be so close!!!!
I guess I'm kinda randomly asking but does anyone know of a good site to watch new movies online ?
@Zion Remy try Flixzone. You can find it on google =)
@Ali Jeffery Yup, been using FlixZone for since march myself :D
@Ali Jeffery Thanks, I signed up and it seems like a nice service :D Appreciate it!
@Zion Remy No problem xD
Incredible sound, but maybe play some Dave Brubeck next time! Thank you Vlad :)
Couldnt agree more. Many others said the same thing. So I posted another video of the PH10 playing a Miles Davis Freddie Freeloader: th-cam.com/video/TyvUliWbCns/w-d-xo.html
What gain do you recommend with ortofon 2m black ? I used -3db and it sounds dead to me . Please help
It's hard to estimate by TH-cam how this device sounds. Could you describe it it terms of stage, sound accuracy etc according to your feeling. What phono stages did you use before and what do you find is the best? Thank you for video!
I have used two other phono preamps prior to this one, both were from the Pro-Ject DS family (I think they were DS and DS+). it was quite a jump in price from a $300 phono preamp to a $3,000 unit. In all honesty I got this unit used, not fully intending to buy it. I mean I paid for it, but I had the option to return it for a 100% refund , minus the $60 shipping. I was absolutely positive that a phono preamp cannot possibly cause a significant difference. Just search online and even here on YT. Unless you have a $100,000 turntable and $500,000 of accompanying gear (speakers, amps, and so on) all phono amps north of $200 mark will sound the same. Well, not exactly, they will sound different, but you will not be able to point out an expensive unit sound from a cheap one with your eyes closed. Cartridges - yes, those matter a lot, a $10,000 Koetsu sounds immesurably better than a $100 AT cart, even in a blind test. But phono preamps - not really. The consensus is a $100 unit will not necessarily sound worse to a $5,000 unit even if you dont compare them in a blind test. So, I got this unit just to prove that theory to myself one more time. Just to play with a fancy toy I cannot posssibly afford and pay a $60 for the entertainment. Boy, was a wrong! After just an hour the impression I got was that it is very resolving, even the smallest details below 20dB level (playing at reference) were clearly audible. The stage is clearly defined. The dynamic range is excellent, as in any external power supply unit. It is a versatile unit, that is its second advantage over many phono preamps (the third being the looks - it looks amazing in person!). Even considering its small shortcomings I couldn't return it for a refund. I new I would have regretted the decision if I ever did. I hope this helps.
Now to shortcomings.
1) The absense of MM cart settings. Like I mentioned above the unit's versatility is excellent. Not only you have the three EQ curves, you also have their enhanced versions, which adds more dynamic punch , more clarity and transparency and resolution. You can adjust anything for an MC cartridge, better gain range but not for an MM one. Once you switched from MC to MM you can only adjust the gain, thats it. There is no options for MM cartridge capacitance, as for MC impedance. I was positive the MM settings are there, i just had to find them. The manual ddidnt mention capacitance. That is until I read an interview with the company chief designer who confirmed that the PH-10 is mainly designed for the MC market. You can say that is really no big loss, considering amost all audiophile carts are MC. The MM market is mostly entry level carts. May be that is what Gold Note had in mind. As for me, I have used only one MM cart, the first one, with a $250 Akai turntable then I moved to MC and kept upgrading , all MC carts. I cant see myself coming back to an MM cart ever.
2) The absense of subsonic/rumble filter.
3) The absense of an ADC board, to output analog to digital for FLAC/DSD archiving
4) The absense of a MONO button.
All of those shortcomings, 1-4, would have cost Gold Note less than $5 in parts to implement. None of them are expensive, but they decided to forgo the options. May be they were right. Apart from the MM capacitance settings that even a $50 phono preamps have, the rest of the shortcomings are nice to have, but by no means they required or deeply missed.
I am sorry about the long worded response, please forgive me.
Vlad, thank you for such detailed response. The hint about absence of MM settings is very helpful. I used pro-ject phono preamps before and now I find them as the narrow place of my audio system. This phono stage is good looking, but there is the lack of information about its sound quality in the Internet . Your video and your description helped me to make a decision. Thank you. Subscribed.
Thanks, you really explained things well. I want one. Lol
What is a good used price for the pair? Thanks
Is that the sound of someone being tortured?
Nice gear you have there. I also have the SS Zephyr. Great cart.
I recently acquired the PH10 and PSU, was there much of an improvement with using the Revelation Audio umibical cable? I'm not sure if investing an additional $300AU would be a worthwhile investment. I'm using a Hana MH with my VPI Prime. Cheers
Adolph, the only reason I have the premium umbilical was because I bought the PH10+PSU10 combo already with it, plus some premium Synergistic fuse. I would not have paid for either separately. Don't expect a dramatic difference even with your excellent Prime and the Hana cart. Cheers.
@@VladVonGrigorian Where did you buy that combo with umbilical cable included?
@@jimdl7920 the Music Room
@@VladVonGrigorian Thank you. I just ordered a new turntable: Transrotor Zet1. I have integ amp Mcintosh Ma352. It has a phone input; it is ok, but nothing special. I am planning to get an external phono preamp. This GN PH10 looks great! The other two options are: Hegel V10 and cayin cs 6 ph.
I have this set. My question is when a connect psu with ph10, I don't connect ac cable to ph10, it is logical.isn' it?
yes
Thanks for the Video! Is the difference between with PSU and without clearly noticeable?
a bit
Well of course you don’t set them on top of each other but the PSU on the left with at least 10cm space in between.
Nice set up. I think the choice of song can be better. Myabe Sultan of Swing from Dire Straits may do justice
What PSU cable is that .. ? As it's not the original cable given from factory.
Santi, you are correct, the premium power umbilical is an upgrade sold by Revelation Audio Labs, it is called the Passage Cryo-Silver™ Reference umbilical power cable and costs around $270. The unit also has a premium fuse worth another $99. Every bit matters.
www.revelationaudiolabs.com/cables-power/index.htm
@@VladVonGrigorian Thanks Vlad, I will get this cable for my PH-10 + PSU-10.
Thanks for the video Vlad, do you have a website listing of where you got the upgraded umbilical cord cable?
To add, I am from Canada and have no clue about that record you were playing...ha.....🙄
Yeah, Boards of Canada is from England, if I am not mistaken. As for the Passage Cryo-Silver™ Reference umbilical power umbilical cable it is made by Revelation Audio. revelationaudiolabs.com/cables-power/index.htm#ParablePower
Thank you for the information Vlad, I will look them up. By chance do you have the product name/number for the cable you ordered?
An early Merry Christmas to you folks over there 🍻
@@The_Music_Sanctuary I thought I answered it above. Here it is again: " Passage Cryo-Silver™ Reference umbilical power cable" at revelationaudiolabs.com/cables-power/index.htm#ParablePower . You can order it there. I got mine for free with the PH-10 + PSU-10, plus some audiophile fuse worth $100.
Sorry about that Vlad, I just realized that. I have contacted Brad there. Thanks again, cheers!
@@The_Music_Sanctuary No problem at all, Brad. Best of luck to you and let me know if I can help in any way
What is that premium reference cable connecting the psu-10 toch the ps-10? Please advise
@Edwin Prinse the premium power umbilical is an upgrade sold by Revelation Audio Labs, it is called the Passage Cryo-Silver™ Reference umbilical power cable and costs around $270. The unit also has a premium fuse worth another $99.
www.revelationaudiolabs.com/cables-power/index.htm
@@VladVonGrigorian Thank you Vlad(imir?). There seems to be something wrong with Revelation Audio Labs, since the website does not work. Know anything about this? Do you know of any other high end substitute umbilical power chords in the market place? Very dodgy when you google around... Thanks!
@@edwinprinse8626 I just tried to fake order a cable from their site and short of clicking on the "Pay" button it went smoothly. What problem are you having with their site? I honestly dont know of any other umbilical cable maker on the market. Revelation is very reputable and has been around for a long time. I suppose you can go on Ebay or Amazon and search for the right umbilical with the right PIN number and buy one from China for $10-$15, but I am not sure if it will be an improvement at all. Thanks for the comments.
@@VladVonGrigorian No no no, it's not that at all. The problem is the website does not seem to load at all. In not any of the browsers I tried...
@@edwinprinse8626 I can load the site in any and all browsers just fine, I tried Chrome and IE. Where are you located? it is possible that their server blocks IPs coming from countries they dont do business with, although that would be stupid on their part.
Hallo Vlad, auch ich besitze den Vorverstärker und das Netzteil von Goldnote. Nachdem ich dieses Video von dir gesehen hatte, habe ich mir dieses Kabel, Passage Cryo Silver, bei Revelation Audio Labs bestellt und auch sofort per PayPal bezahlt. Das war am 18.08.2021. Leider habe ich dieses Kabel noch nicht bekommen. Vielleicht kannst du mir helfen und Brad kontaktieren falls du Verbindung zu ihm hast. Vielen Dank, Thomas.
Hallo Thomas. Leider habe ich keine Verbindung zu Brad. Ich bin sicher, dass Sie Ihr Kabel irgendwann bekommen werden. Alle Sendungen werden hier in den Vereinigten Staaten schrecklich verzögert. Du wirst es bekommen, versprochen. Viel Glück.
Rolled off treble dissapoints
Hi Vlad, ich wollte dir nochmal wegen diesem Kabel schreiben. Ich habe es immer noch nicht bekommen. Es wurde ein Versandticket vorbereitet, aber ob es verschickt wurde weiß man nicht. Das war gestern die Antwort als ich den Status abgefragt hatte. Brad antwortet auch nicht auf meine Email. Es ist schade dass man so behandelt wird.
Wo hast du das Kabel gekauft? Denken Sie daran, dass die Post sehr langsam ist. Ich habe einen Artikel aus Deutschland gekauft, es hat 2 Monate gedauert, bis es ankam.
Hi Vlad can you upload a video with some Jazz?The music you played had potential but was repetitive,but it was a good upload all the same,Cheers
@Have a Spritzer thank you for making me do something as I am bored out of my mind. A video with a jazz LP coming up shortly. In the meantime have a spritzer.
@@VladVonGrigorian Vlad,you are a champion,thanks :-)
@@johnbravo7542 No problem. Recorded, uploading. Here is the thing. It will take a couple of hours for YT to process the video as it is in 4K. I will post a link here as soon as it is available and looks HD (they are really blurry for the first couple of hours, even though are available).
@Have a Spritzer the video will be of "Freddie Freeloader" from Miles Davis's Kind of Blue original master recording , MFSL, 45rpm:
www.discogs.com/Miles-Davis-Kind-Of-Blue/release/7303082
@@VladVonGrigorian No problem Vlad I live in Australia and it's12.30am so time for bed,will catch it tomorrow morning my time :-)
anyone tested this against McIntosh C2600 internal phono stage?
Hey, Jimmy. Since you wrote "internal phono stage" you probably know the McIntosh isnt a dedicated phono preamp, it is a versatile tube preamp with an excellent internal DAC and phono stages. There is a lot of useful stuff inside the Mac , it also costs more than double of the the GN. The Gold Note is a dedicated phono , not only that, it has an external power supply (optional). I am guessing you already have the Mac and you are considering going the "purity route" , a horizontal upgrade. That means going from :
1) turntable, Integrated amp
to
2) Turntable, preamp, power amp
to
3) Turntable, phono preamp, dac, preamp, power amp
or even to
4) Turntable+external power supply, phono preamp+external power supply, DAC+external power supply, preamp + external power supply
So, essentially you are adding more separates horizontally, instead of vertically when you would have been in stage 1) and simply upgraded from lets say an integrated amplifier costing $7,000 to a better lets say $21,000. It is hard to say which upgrade type is more rewarding, but I can assure you that if you already have a C2600 with an outstanding phono section your $3,000 for the Gold Note could have been spent much wiser than just wasting it on a GN PH-10 even with a PSU-10.
@@VladVonGrigorian I do not have the C2600 but was thinking about getting one. I currently run MA6600 with Rega P8 and Yaqin MS33B. I enjoy the warmth of the Yaqin and the internal phono of the MA6600 but always looking to improve sound.
@@oscillatingdailyaudio And your speakers?
@@oscillatingdailyaudio provided your system is free of major defects (meaning your components reasonably match) spend the bucks you are planning to waste on a dedicated phono - with or without a PSU) spend them on a better cartridge instead. Even your MMA6600 is good enough, so even the preamp money spend on the cartridge too. When it comes to a vinyl rig there are two things that will pay off a sweet dividend after an upgrade. Those are speakers and cartridge. The rest are not as important, but the preamp kind of still is. But lets get back to the answer you are looking for. If you upgrade your phono - in your case that means getting an external phono preamp - you will get a 2%-3% sound improvement. And you will only hear it because you will have spent the money. Meaning the upgrade will be hard to verify in a blind test. But if you will get a better cartridge from your current lets say Ortofon RED (dont know what you have on the Rega) to lets say a Sumiko Starling or a Koetsu Rosewood for $2K-$3K your sound quality will improve orders of magnitude. 200% or more. The difference you get from a cartridge upgrade is incomparable. No other component will give you such a bang for the buck. Yes, at a first glance a cartridge upgrades are expensive ($3K? $5K?) But try to squeeze the same results from a speaker upgrade. You will have to spend tens of thousands, if not more, we are talking Magico's or Goldmund, not Focal or Sonus Faber. One more component , though, offers you a good return on an investment - headphones. You have to spend $200,000 on speakers before you say "this is good enough, any more money spent on speakers will be wasted". Now, to replicate this same sound level but in headphones you will only need around $5K, because the headphones have smaller and lighter drivers, they are free of cabinet vibrations, etc.
Anyway, as you can see I am suffering from a terrible affliction that causes me to write such long winded replies. I am bored. That is why. But if I were you I wouldn't upgrade neither your current amp. If your speakers are fine then upgrade the cartridge. It will go a very, very long way. Will not look as pretty (less equipment), but boy will it sound glorious! If your speakers could be better then by all means start with them. They are the most important interface. Nothing up the chain will matter if the speakers cant reproduce a difference in sound because they are too daft. OK, I better stop before this becomes a book.
@@VladVonGrigorian speakers are B&W 702S2 and using Ania cart on the P8
Hello Vlad. Will input 1 & 2 save any presets?
yes
@John Bernard , actually both of my turntables and cartridges (Sumko Blackbird and SoundSmith Zephyr MKIII) were set at the same resistance (47kohm) and gain (0dB). So, I needed to test if the settings are saved when they are different, not identical. Here is the result. I set Input 2 at 22kohm and -3dB . Then turned the power off. After a restart both inputs retained their settings (22kom/47kohm and 0dB/-3dB). The same after a hard restart, meaning yanking the power cord out, not just a power button press. I hope this helps.
@@VladVonGrigorian Thank you Vlad for confirming the operation. So are you pleased with them after about a year of use?
@@johnberard330 Love' em. You can certainly do better, but not for under $3,000
I agree like below, great video until the
so called music started. Based on your voice I was expecting some cold jazz to be played. Like Lee Morgan etc. O well. I’m looking for a Phono Pre and this unit keeps appearing on the radar. Thanks 😎
Derek (and all others) , sorry about the poor choice of music. I dont know what I was thinking. Another youtuber requested a jazz track to be played thru those Gold Note units. Here is the video: th-cam.com/video/TyvUliWbCns/w-d-xo.html
Glad it wasn't just me. Lol now u lost all credibility.
@@mr.seanster Never had any to begin with, so no loss for me, LOL. The next review will be of two turntable back to back: Pro-Ject RPM5 and RPM9. The choice of music for that video is limited because I need to play the same LP on both turntables at the same time and switch IN1 and IN2 on the Gold Note phono preamp. I have two copies of Pink FLoyd "the Wall". Not sure which track to chose. I will also rip that track into a FLAC from both RPM5 and RPM9 so the viewers will be able to compare the sound. The RPM9 is on its way and arriving next Monday.
@@VladVonGrigorian great review. I was kidding about the music
Nice cartridge and phono stage, shame about the "music"! 🤪
Yeah, I agree. The music is atrocious.
Sorry to say this but the music is horrible and doesn’t make justice to the equipaments tested. I propose to do another video with a better music. A music a little more “sweet” to our ears.