Humiliating PROOF Prager hasn't read his HOLY books
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For the record, if America had made a law that said you couldn't return slaves to their owners, the civil war would have happened much sooner. The south would not have let that slide at all
@@fisharepeopletoo9653 It was one of the trigger events of the civil war. The northern states refused to enforce the fugitive slave law...the southern states, supposedly champions of "states' rights," screamed that the federal government MUST use force against the northern states. The government's failure to do so was one of the items that convinced the southern slavers that they were no longer in control of the situation, and had to leave. Lincoln's election, carrying no southern states, was the final drop of the shoe for them.
Why do you subject us to such a horrendous AI generated Dennis Prager face? (On the thumbnail) 😂
British limey
"huffpost is left" not the greatest ad for groundnews there
Saying returning a slave to "its" master instead of "their" master. Now that's some powerful dehumanization.
Good point.
That's a double dehumanization with not only reducing a person to an object, but also maintaining that the person is still considered property and not free. Or as Dennis puts it, that the thing is still property. But that's enough Freud for me for one sentence. You could actually make equally long videos on all the times that Dennis does things like that in his language. He is a very bad man.
The thing is when it comes from prager, I am not taking notes.
Excellent point! I noticed that, too, and it was jarring.
I caught that too. Prager is a dangerous person
"God can tell you not to eat shellfish but can't tell you to not own people."
Matt Dillahunty
@@5driedgrams The trick is just to not see them as people. You know the same thing Trump does with the Jews… wait no that was the other fascist.
...and then "all they eat" in the deep south is shellfish 😂😂😂
Hypocrisy 101
@@hansj5846 Not to mention... shrimp _was_ food for slaves. Why are so many Cajun dishes shrimp dishes? Well, there is your answer.
Shellfish were not a major institution in the ancient world, the prevention of which, often led to revolts, economic collapse, population displacement, and other destructive factors, and if God can't get people to stop eating shellfish how do you imagine God is going to convince them not to enslave each other?
It is better to teach a man to not eat shellfish, than to not give a man a shellfish.
So... "We cant tell them not go have slaves, they wont listen.. So here is a list of rules, that they will all surely follow instead"
we have ten commandments cos god knew we'd ignore at least nine of them.
@@HarryNicNicholas Ten commandments, half of which boil down to, "Pay attention to me!!!!"
God of mixed signals.
Get Prager OUT of our public schools!!!
Get him out of any social media or anything publicly accessible.
And get all religious references out of public institutions and affairs. We don't trust in god. The last time god blessed the USA America was first in the list of most deaths per capita.
But yeah, protect our children from PragerU dishonest and toxic indoctrination. Get PragerU the F out of all public schools! Go Devils! 😈
He is in your schools. Thoughts and prayers coming from Australia
I didn't know he was there.
@@MisplacedTrust Can't deny many in Australia would love their own version. Although not as extreme Australia has a long history of far right activism and institutions.
This reasoning isn't just intellectually dishonest, it's intellectually - and morally - bankrupt.
As Dennis Prager so often is.
Hey he has to keep up the pretense. After all it’s his job to talk bc
But they have a direct link to the objective morals factory or something.
“The thing about intellectual bankruptcy, is that it kinda requires an intellect in the first place…” - Reece, Low Fruit - Childless People are EVIL! The Daily Wire “Discuss” Women
So, God didn't ban slavery because no one woukd have listened? What an impotent god...
Like a good father, God doesn't want to control us, but wants what is best for us. So he'll allow us to choose evil, allow us to make mistakes. That's how we know for sure Jesus wasn't a nasty socialist.
God had to consider his approval rating, it was an election year.😁
It's a good thing he didn't give us other commands we don't listen to
Isn't it one more indication that god is man-made. We made up the god that we could stand behind.
@@oscargr_ it's clear that God is man made. If Octopi had evolved to be the dominant intelligent species, then "God" would be an octopus.
2:05 "You cannot return the slave to ITS owner." Very subtle dehumanizing jab, Prager.
_"Slaves, ew."_
*-Dennis Prager probably*
Yeah, I noticed that too. Gross.
he used a singular gender neutral pronoun..... its 2024 we only use plural gender neutral pronouns now, to describe both individuals and groups of people. Its not confusing at all, hes just a bigot.
tbf, that might be a correct literal translation
or is he just using a singular gender neutral pronoun in its traditional proper context.
"someone is here to see you"
"who is it?"
Are we dehumanizing the unknown person at the door? Or are we simply using a gender neutral pronoun. I get that we are trying to change grammar and make "they" the singular and plural gender neutral pronoun for some reason but using classical grammar doesn't mean you are dehumanizing people.
That's like "It's not slavery, if we don't call it slavery" kind of logic
Yup.. Dennis Prager is the sort of person that would say, "I'm not lying; I'm prevaricating" and expects his audience to nod like he has a good point. He knows full well he's lying by omission and obfuscation but thinks he's clever enough, and his audience dim enough, to pull it off.
He'd get on well in Russia. The drones did not hit our weapons dumps, debris did.
What if we just call it slevary? Look! So much better just because we switched the E and A! It just works!
@@sugartoothYT do you even know what that is?
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Reminds me of Stephen Fry’s criticism of the Catholic Church’s similarly _evolutionary_ approach over the centuries…
“You’re saying ‘well we couldn’t have known better, because nobody else did’ - then what are you FOR?”
Glorious debate, I sometimes go back and listen to it again when I'm in a bad mood. I listen to the opposition as well, even though the bishop is barely coherent and the British MP has an annoying shrill voice. There are things to be said about Hitchens, but he undeniably was an amazing orator, and in this debate he was as sharp as ever, but even so Stephen Fry completely outshined everyone, including Hitchens.
Fry's performance was outstanding: he was passionate and unapologetically emotional, but canalised his emotions in a way that still comes off as profoundly reasonable, spitting powerful statements and arguments one after the other after the other. And he did not allow the opposition to get away with any of their attempts at weaseling their way out of some of the stronger accusations, he called out each and every one of them and succinctly gave adequate counter-arguments. He absolutely killed it
@@derinderruheliegt you are supposed to have an omniscient god that you can talk to though.
I remember that moment, Fry accent and all.
Then hwhat ah you FOHHH?
@@n0etic_f0x An omniscient god that doesn't know how to get people to stop owning slaves or committing murder or rape... kinda shows he isn't really omniscient.
@@onijester56 Well he may just be super evil, I mean perhaps he’s directly causing all that.
A god who can smite and destroy armies and nations has to take an “evolutionary approach” to slavery lest he be ignored. What a joke.
That’s always the flaw in their god argument. On one hand he’s all powerful and can do all ,then suddenly he’s impotent and just like a president. The god gotta workshop policies and wait for humans to act to change things. The god won’t do anything but you get to thank him later for “changing things “ 😂
@@TheSquad4life nooo, you don’t get it! god just does all the _good_ things. anytime a bad thing happens, that was done by the bad guy he created but seemingly has no control over. (but also he controls everything.) (just not the bad things.)
he should at least have the humility to do press conference, or a youtube apology: “ok guys, listen up. you’re not gonna like this, and I’m sorry, but I was screwing around in my lab in the clouds, and I built a Devil. and the guy is bad news; he is one bad hombre. unfortunately, he got loose, and now he’s running around starting trouble. if you see him, try not to listen to him, but for the most part you’re on your own and if you listen to him I’ll torture you forever. I’d just like to apologize to my community, and I am trying to be accountable and grow from this experience…”
"If a slavve runs away you cannot return *_it_* to *_it's owner."_*
Wow, Dennis. A slave is an it and when they run away they're still considered property by you, even though you are in the same sentence implying that they cannot be returned. That's some impressive evil dehumanization, even for the devil himself.
Not to mention now he respects pronouns. His or her Denny! Sweet Horus learn proper English no wonder racists don’t think about you as white.
Dennis doesn't believe in pronouns.
"it" is a singular gender neutral pronoun. return he or she to his or her owner is the better way to say that, but there is nothing wrong with using it instead of he or she and his or her. Its definitely better than using "they", a plural gender neutral pronoun, because the subject of the sentence is an individual.
@@kevinjohnson4498 Stop using singular you, it’s more modern than singular they. So remember, you is _always_ plural.
@@n0etic_f0x are you sure about that? You has always been both singular and plural. In Victorian English there was thee and thou which served the same function, 2nd person pronouns. If you is plural then what is the singular 2nd person replacement?
And regardless, "it" means a person or animal whose sex is unknown or disregarded. It also can mean a group of individuals. So Prager used "its owner" properly, even if you think it sounds icky
Apologist: God just ending slavery by decree and enforcing it with lightning bolts wouldn't work, because that doesn't respect human free will, the most important thing in the universe.
Slave: *stares in slave*
Also let’s build more prisons and outlaw homelessness, homosexuals, and drugs. But we are all about that free will.
@@j8000 oh free will, so how about we abolish prison. No? Why not though… no I am serious we should absolutely abolish prison. Oh and all companies should be owned by the people who are employed by them. So much more free will.
@@n0etic_f0x Unfortunately people have been brainwashed into thinking "communism bad" by their corporate overlords
Because apologists are liars...all of them.
Lmao. Seriously.
FYI, Muslim apologists have exactly the same asgument for why Allah did not ban slavery. 😅😅😅
THEY ARE BOTH EVIL YWH
SO YES
THE CLUB CREATED THAT SCUMBAG TO CONTROL ME
USED EVIL YWH ZOMBIE BREAT TO CONTROL THE WEST
NOTICE THE MEDIA DON'THAVE SHOWS WERE TEH JUST READ THIS EVIL BOOK TO PEOPLE
HMMMMMM
THEY OWN THE MEDIA
MILTIARY BOWS TO EVIL ZOMBIE BRAT, MOSTLY
This video feels so surreal, like a fever dream because I've heard the same talking points made by Muslim apologists a million times.
Abrahamic religions in a nutshell.
The unholy trinity.
Both disgusting religions but islam is the worst
All that's required to turn a fundamentalist moral absolutist into a moral relativist is to bring up slavery and the Bible.
It's so weird how American Christian conservatism (and its conservatism in general) chooses these bizarre hills to die on. If you need to constantly lawyer your way out of the most nonsensical and indefensible positions, such that semantic games are the only thing standing between you and the exposure of your complete moral failure, then you've got some serious problems with your morality.
The whole "Noah's flood was real and happened worldwide" just should upgrade Noah's Arc to space ship and be done with it. Let the lore breath!
It's funnier when you hear them say that "slavery wasn't all bad" followed by "And Lincoln freed the slaves". So if slavery wasn't bad then doesn't that diminish Lincoln's accomplishment? Of course it's mostly being done to justify treating women like brood mares. They need their Holy Book to be perfect in all ways so they can justify using it to subjugate half the population.
Creationist have it right when it comes to the Noah Flood story. (The Great Flood). They know more than you can ever think of. 🤣 🤪
NOT!!! I swear, they don't actually study history huh?! Just read bible. That's their fairy tail history. Hahaha
It is believed by creationist that Noah’s Flood was a one time world wide deluge around 2100 BCE. There is overwhelming evidence that most life around the planet continued on its normal course during the supposed Noah's flood. Creationists falsify the evidence of that event. There are many stories of floods reaching far back in time from around the world. Creationist claim that all the stories are reminiscences of Noah’s Flood, but they are wrong. There were many floods, many memories, in many parts of the world through out time. The geological records are clear. No one time world wide deluge.
Creationist are tools 🤪
Given the hills progressives die on .... both sides have their faults.
Remember - This is the same God who happily followed the very revolutionary approach of FLOODING THE ENTIRE EARTH.
What would you do if you were the epitome of love, the definition of good, but nobody wanted to believe in you.🫣
@@oscargr_ Show them love and help people improve. A ruined child does not get better overnight. Every generation may go through the same folly. But if the God had the patience of a responsible parent, they'll love them every single time.
However, that is just my approach.
The "Epitome of Love" God destroyed everyone; even children and unborn babies and innocent animals; then savored the smell of sacrifices made by a very scared survivor.
It is called Honour Killing.
@@boldpen4836 Did not expect a detailed answer from the perspective of a god. 😊
My point was that god's supposed response does not match with the attributes usually given to him.
@@oscargr_ I'm sorry, I completely misread it. 🙇🏻♂️
It is so weird. God is supposed to be our Father but He is such a toxic parent that most people would never keep in contact once they move out or would simply report Him to authorities.
The Deluge has been on my mind because people be crying about abortion while God just aborted AN EARTHFUL of born and unborn babies just because He wasn't sure if they'll be good and that's fine?
@@boldpen4836 It's ok.. sarcasm is hard to catch in writing. I was being sarcastic trying to make a point.
Once you start to analyse the god they taught you about as a child, the inconsistencies keep piling on.
Where is the evolution if there's no updates explicitly condemning slavery?
So if God gave a command to not have slaves the people would have ignored it? The same God who smited people for touching the Ark of the Covenant? Also wouldn't the perfect time to give a no slave commandment be when the Hebrews left slavery in Egypt the same time God gave out the 10 commandments?
The same God that commanded that a man be stoned to death for gathering sticks on the Sabbath.
Why wait even that long? He could have given all the rules he expected humans to follow to Adam and Eve before kicking them out for eating that bit of fruit.
Leviticus 26 goes on about all the blessings/punishments for following/disobeying his commands. If god would have said "don't have slaves", they may not have followed it right away but after seeing the guys not owning slaves doing better off than them, they probably would have gotten the hint... you know if god was actually real.
God: "Cut off a little bit of your penis because I said so."
Israelites: "Yessir! How much?"
God (hypothetically): "Don't own people."
Isrealites (presumably): "No fucking deal!"
The Torah's stories are all about how no one ever listened to God.
"only is there's a god thag says murder is wrong, is murder wrong"
"If God explicitly said that owning slaves was wrong he'd be ignored"
Merely substitute the word 'God' with 'I' then you have the truth, God is made in powerful men's egos.
They just can't stop contradicting themselves.
@@steviewondek this is it.
I don’t understand why Prager says “imagine we had this in the United States”, meaning the rules of not returning slaves who have run away. The U.S. was founded centuries after the Bible was written. And a lot of these apologists claim that the U.S. was founded on biblical grounds. So Prager made no sense whatsoever!
Prager himself has said the same about the constitution...
Every time some apologists tries to say that wasn't so bad, Exodus 21:21 should always be mentioned (among other things).
"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod ... are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property"
Yes... and every time they say they where only indentured servants for a few years, then set free, mention Numbers 25:44-46 "Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour."
Prager lie about this one too!
Well of course he hasn't red it. Reading it makes you an atheist. 😂
That was my fast ticket out.
He only read the red letter passages.
But, yeah. Dennis Prager and Ben Shapiro are both shameless shills for evangelical Christianity, refusing to acknowledge how post-Biblical Judaism has adapted its understanding of their holy texts to keep up with modernity. This is how religions remain _living_ traditions.
Maybe he greened it.
dude is CLUB MEMBER
MEANS HE WORKS FOR THE GROUP THAT WROTE THIS EVIL TRASH
THEY HAVE USED IT TO CONTROL HUMANITY
ALONG WITH MANY OTHER SGROUPS
COMMIES, FACISST, AND MANY OTHERS
If someone reads the bible honestly, then yes.
If the Word of God was "No slavery," people would have ignored it. I thought it was the Word of God??? That Old Testament God was awfully smite-y. If He said "No slaves" and was ignored, wouldn't he just lay out a city or two?
Definition of a Christian Apologist: someone that expends tremendous amounts of time and energy trying to prove that the bible doesn't say what it actually says.
My definition of an apologist is someone who should be saying "I am so sorry" continuously.
Yup. And the other irony is that they feel they must try to explain or rationalize their gawd into existence. Then ask them why their gawd needs us infallible man to prove his fallible existence. Always king size word salad spews out.
@@MeMe-cm9db If there really were evidence for "god", he wouldn't need apologists.
Or a Jewish apologist, in this case.
The clue is in the name
The argument that Abrahamic holy books couldn't outright ban slavery because nobody would have obeyed really pisses me off. Those books didn't have any problem with banning adultery, but I still see plenty of sexual relationships occurring outside wedlock.
God is almighty, but can't abolish slavery
And we're so lucky that mankind listened when God said thou shall not kill, steal etc.
Prager is so known here, in US. He produces material on youtube for kids. Beyond concerning.
Prager is dangerous because he apologizes for all the misogyny and inhumanity in the so-called Holy book.
Dennis Prager also misrepresents indentured servants in the Americas by implying that they all volunteered. There was a thriving trade in kidnapping children and selling many as indentured servants in North America. An example is Peter Williamson (1730 - 19 January 1799) who “was taken to Philadelphia and sold for £16[1] as an indentured servant for a period of seven years to a fellow Scot, Hugh Wilson” (Wikipedia) in 1743, aged 13.
Slavery was legal in Scotland…
Under English law you had to be convicted of a felony to become an indentured servant - England sent convicts to the America’s for 160 years…
@@allangibson8494 Not quite right - there was a mixture. Indenture was a legal contract in general entered voluntarily. The majority of indentured servants did this. But the Piracy (or Transportation) Act 1717 in England sentenced convicts to transportation and 7 or 14 year indentures instead of prison sentences or death. Roughly 1 in 5 indentured servants in all 13 colonies before 1775 were convicts, the rest volunteers along with a small percentage of kidnapped children and teens.
Slavery was never part of Scottish or English law so “legal in Scotland” is overstating the case. Slavery was tolerated or ignored until the Joseph Knight case of 1778 when Court of Session judges ruled that slavery was incompatible with Scots Law.
@@ianfisk01 Slavery was covered under English law from 1100.
Slaves couldn’t be sold or imported in England without paying a substantial fee to the crown.
@@allangibson8494 Slavery was not in English law books. There were judges opinions in individual cases. This is called common law. Slavery at common law was a mix of “inconsistent decisions and varying rationales for the treatment of slavery, the slave trade, and the rights of slaves and slave owners.” Wikipedia.
Also see Somerset v Stewart (1772) where “Slavery had never been authorised by statute ("positive law") within England and Wales, and Lord Mansfield found it also to be unsupported within England by the common law…”. Wikipedia.
So... God can lay down perfectly unchanging rules about obedience, punishment, his laws and requirements for servitude...but slavery is a grey area for God cuz it was popular and changing it would make people mad
Yes, apologetics really is that bad. How religious people fall for it is beyond me.
@@ancientfiction5244they don’t think logically
How apologists justify these crimes against humanity that are endorsed by their deity, and do it with a smile, is the biggest reason I left Christianity. Just insane and horrid.
Congratulations on getting out 🎉
Now consider how many want to make that book the official law again...
"Traditional values" like 30 shekels for a slave but 20 for a rape victim that cried out for help...
I'd love to see how Prager explains the Dred Scott decision.
On second thought, please don't . . . my brain is already shrinking with age, and I'm afraid that too much exposure to Prager would make it completely wither away.
"If a slave runs away, you cannot return the slave to IT'S owner." - Dennis Prager
Guy just can't stop himself from dehumanizing.
To be fair him is a pronoun and pronouns were created by the devil to spread Marxism
For Dennis Prager, defending slavery is just like talking about the weather. It's a everyday thing for him.
One question I never hear asked is “why did god allow slavery to be established in the first place?” If god was here from the beginning then he witnessed the first enslavement of another person and could have stopped it then. But no. He waited centuries and according to the apologists tried to turn the ship around after the practice was already entrenched in society. It’s so transparently stupid.
No matter how they argue for their God, he just looks worse and weaker and more fallible.
If you're an atheist why would slavery even be a bad thing?
It’s even stupider than you think. Adam and Eve weren’t the first people, there are oblique references to other people already living in the world which means they might have been keeping slaves before gods ‘chosen’ were even created. So either god created a bunch of people he didn’t intend to rule or he wasn’t the only one doing the making 🤔
Just so you know, it wasn't god that outlawed slavery. It was men. Over most of a century as many legislatures slowly passed laws outlawing slavery and the British banning and using the Royal Navy to stop the trans-Atlantic slave trade.
God: No lying or else straight to hell!
Also God: owning another person as property? Well, take your time but here's my suggestion to impart special rules only for my favourite kind of people; the Israelites. No mixed fabrics though!
It 3nded slavery about 1900 years later, such a powerfull moral gawd
mYsTeRiOuS wAyS tho
One of those timed solutions.
The Torah was written well before christ.
@@goldenalt3166 some 600-1000 years before the new testament was started around 100 CE.
@@PeteOtton Not to mention the story is set in an even earlier time.
Prager is such a fool.
A wealthy fool with a lot of influence, too many take people like him seriously.
"...is such a TOOL." Fixed it.
Glad to see that Dennis Prager brought his galaxy brain to the slavery conversation. 😂
I think him and the faith healer preachers would get on well :P
Great job, my friend. It’s always a blast to watch you call out my old buddy. He’s become such a piece of $hit! It’s extra enjoyable knowing how much he’d hate that thumbnail image of him!!! ❤
As a capitalist living in the global north, Dennis has to be comfortable with the idea that some humans should lead lives of abject suffering to provide his comfort. Slavery isn't just consistent with his religious texts, it's consistent with his values.
PragerU literally made a pro slavery video so it isn't a stretch to say that he would have fought to preserve it during the civil war.
@@ottz2506I saw that one.
The basic gist is that if the slaves had remained free in Africa they would never have been exposed to Christianity and would not have been "saved" so they would have gone to hell.
By enslaving them the slave owners were actually doing good by giving the slaves a chance of going to heaven.
It takes an evil piece of s#!t like Dennis Prager to come up with a twisted evil like that.
kinda sketchy of Yahweh, sometimes evolutionary approach, sometimes Intelligent design, got it!
Yahweh.. The one true gawd. Hahaha
The early Jews worshipped multiple gods. Over time, the beliefs and practices evolved, and Yahweh emerged as a central deity. The nature of Yahweh changed over time, from a creator/sustainer deity to a warrior god (related to storms).
"return the slave to IT'S owner" that's prager all over. oh look i have some prager on my shoe.
"it would have been ignored"
so God's command wouldn't have had the weight of ... *checks notes* ... God's command...
interesting
Right? Didn't the Old Testament just ban murder, and coveting your neighbors' ass, and only having one god, but slavery was one too many? What a weak ass god. Sounds like someone even I could wrestle with all night and only lose because he has magic
Same god who plagued and killed Egyptians to end the slavery of his people.
Cue to "A few good Men"
"No, Sir. You said orders will be followed or somebody dies"...
Dennis god ordered the Code Red. And Dennis is busy showing that there is nothing in the training manual about punitive vigilante beating techniques...
My Muslim mother insists on a similar argument regarding Islamic slavery. It is infuriating.
All 3 books are very similar, all 3 religions are thus very similar.
To be fair, it's the conversative Christians that foolishly defend slavery and massacres of God's enemies.
Anecdotal claim fallacy. Care to state her exact argument?
@@antediluvianatheist5262yes and no. They have similarities doesn't equate to them being "very similar". That's like saying fried chicken and the electric chair are "very similar" because, well, both "fry".
@@SabeerAbdulla they borrowed from each other, sort of like a copy of a copy with slight modification
I have never seen Prager talk about religion without misrepresenting it. The same for Jordan Peterson. You can make hours worth of content just correcting their Bible errors.
Just thinking the same about Steve here.
@@joshingmI have no doubt that Stephen has, from time to time, said things in error. Would you care to share your thoughts on what he said in this video that was incorrect? Thanks.
Here Here! They are hashing out arguments from the middle of the book when anybody that starts reading it knows it is nonsensical.
@cullenjohnson0 yes everytime he speaks about God's Word, it is wrong premise and context. Hope this helps
@@joshingm I've listened to him speak and don't hear the errors you think you do. Perhaps you should listen again. Thanks for responding!
There are not enough four letter words or middle fingers for a monster like prager.
Thank you. It makes it so easy for me to follow your points as you refer back to exactly what he said by letting him say it. Than the refutation. This demonstrates how honest you are. I trust this form of rebuttal and attempt to do it whenever I can when I want to point out that they have said something that obscures the truth of a particular point.
If every time Prager says the word “slave”, one substitutes the word “human being,” or “person,” or “god’s children” his dehumanizing reveals itself in bold relief.
Still waiting for the time Shawn McDougall disagrees with a guest.
You should probably grab a seat, then. And some snacks. And possibly a pillow and blanket. You'll be waiting a while.
Disgusting lies. I'm gonna have breakfast, enough of liars today ✌️ Great video boss👍👻🇺🇸
The hamsters powering the wheels in Prager’s brain are on vacation.
"If a slave runs away, you cannot return the slave to *_it's_* owner."
We've seen all we need to see about Dennis here.
Did anyone else catch Prager calling slaves "It". "If a slave runs away, you can't return it to the owner". 😮
Many of the supposed "indentured servants" that were shipped to the the Americas signed their contracts underdures. Many of them didn't even know what they were signing because they were illiterate and simply made their mark because they were told to. many had no money or other means of survival because they were crofters who lived hand to mouth. They paid their landlords with a share of their harvest. Not money. During clearances like the Highland Clearances in Scotland, people forced off the land had no choice. They were forcibly entered into the new wage economy against their will. Enabling the rich and powerful to become richer and even more powerful.
Even worse, sometimes these "servants" were children who had been literally stolen from their families. Abducted off the streets of the now rapidly growing cities. This practice was illegal. But by the time parents managed to speak to the gang masters. The ships had sailed. And at that point there was nothing that could be done. Those children had no other means of survival other than serving their new masters.
Slavery of course still happens around the world. Even in countries like the UK and the USA where it is illegal. So God might need a new plan.
Dennis Prager reminds me of the saying," The reason I am an atheist is because I know your bible better than you do."
People would object to giving up slavery?
Hell, I'd be more upset about giving up bacon! 🥓
I have nothing but contempt for Denny P.
Not if bacon made you rich..
We fought a Civil War to hold on to our slaves.
I can't handle bacon. It makes me sick to my stomach and I gag when I smell it. But I would eat a lb of it a day to avoid owning a slave. That is the minimum level of morality anyone should have.
I think Pragar U should begin a few courses in comparative studies, 'History of the Babylonian Kings', 'Hammurabi's Code and Mosaic Law', 'Consensus Archaeology Shows No Exodus' and 'The First Millennium BC Evolution of Hebrew from Phoenecian and Moabite'.
Sean to Dennis : "Now that we have settled the controversy over slavery, can we talk about Jesus?".
Not likely to happen. Shawn has never sought the discussion with his guests. He just nods.
God freed his people from Egyptian slavery so his people could enslave others instead...
Read Exodus again...
They took on slaves (the text claims they volunteered....🙄) of their own before they had started on the 40 year hike...
OMG! Listen to the words Prager uses when talking about the people who were slaves.
"You can not return the slave to IT'S owner."
He is dehumanizing the slaves by not referring to them as people in an attempt to make his argument not sound as terrible.
What a ghoul.
In the 18th century and on into the 19th, Spain had a standing policy of refusing to return ex-slaves who ran away from their masters in Britain, France, and the United States. As long as the runaways converted to Catholicism, they were allowed to settle in Spanish lands as free people. And yet, Spain continued to be a slave-holding country the entire time, and slaves of Spanish masters most certainly weren't allowed to become free. What gives? Simple. Letting runaways come to them wasn't a principled stance, it was a way of encouraging discontent among the enslaved populations of their rivals, thereby damaging their economies and straight up just annoying them.
Oh, please not the indentured servitude bs again
I’m one Prager comment in and he just said that a holy book not outright banning slavery was a marketing decision, because if it banned slavery outright then the holy book would have been ignored. Makes perfect sense 😂
Good thing nobody ever disobeyed commandments against adultery, murder or eating prawn...
Or having sex with your sister, poor bible belt...
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thanks . Love your channel .
Everyone seems to forget or gloss over that the first testament was about Jewish law. Laws that applied to Jews as part of the Abrahamic covenants with God for the Jews to be the chosen people of Jehovah. They were never meant to apply to anyone else. The laws differentiated between slaves who were jewish and slaves that weren't jewish. Even Jesus is misinterpreted. He was a Jew preaching TO Jews about Jewish law. Again, what he taught was never meant to apply to non-jews. Until Saul of Tarsus came along and saw a grift he couldn't refuse.
You can hear when Dennis is being disingenuous; he starts stuttering and stammering, rarely finishing a statement but arguing through ham-fisted inference, only growing firm and confident in his voice when he can segway, quote scripture and otherwise let his statements be completed for him.
He definitely read his holy books. After all, the same books defend slavery, which is something PragerU has infamously done.
6:56 And weren't the Japanese among the first to actually outlaw slavery? They're not exactly known for being very Biblical.
As Brian says, Dennis is an excusegist.
Excellent video, Stephen!
".....but was it HARSH slavery?"
--Dennis Prager
What a monster.
*_Every time I hear an Apologist try to excuse slavery, it's so utterly, inexcusably immoral, that I feel physically ill - as though I've had a bucket of foul-smelling, shitty, swamp mud dumped over my head..._*
I grew up Jewish, and people like Dennis Prager are, to me, an aberration. His treatment of the Torah is very Christian-like. I was taught that the scriptures were a collection of stories and histories handed down over generations before finally being assembled into an anthology during and after the Babylonian exile. We were taught to not take anything that was written as the direct word of God. No work of human hands, I learned, is perfect, but these writings were a good place to start to understand the nature of the God we worshipped. In my Jewish studies, I found that each book was a product of the time it was written down, and reflected the norms of the society it comes from. This is why God is depicted in very different ways from one story to the next. If there is only one interpretation of the text, the text has died and has no value. Jewish scholars were supposed to debate the meaning of things while the women and lower-class men toiled at home and in the fields. There were also many different traditions, all claiming to be Jewish, that contributed the stories that were combined to make the first "bible".
Denis Prager comes from some other tradition where God guided the hands of the authors of the Torah (or perhaps he's one of the "Moses personally wrote all of the Torah" (even the part where he dies alone in the mountains) crowd that my family viewed as nut-cases back in the 1960s. I come from a liberal tradition which was very different in how we viewed the scriptures from how Mr. Prager views them. As I said, he's almost Christian in the way he views it. There is nowhere in the Litvak/Vilnias tradition that requires, or even allows for, an apologist.
You already convinced me. That title alone is worth the like!
All of a sudden they're ok with an evolutionary approach
i have shared this over 100x in the last hr, brilliant
“If the Torah said no slavery, it would have been ignored.” Didn’t YHWH put a man to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath? But this god is going to let people learn slavery is bad on their own?
The statement that slavery is voluntary long term employment with limited benefits and low paid vacation aptly describes the plight of the majority of American workers.
The biblical laws on slavery have never been modified by words from "above." (Jesus boasted he didn't come to change a jot or tittle of biblical law, so they remain in effect.) However, the only people in scripture that are allowed to own slaves are HEBREWS! Both Sean and Dennis should be ready to submit to a kosher-observant Jew to be their new master. (And the bible does not specify who can NOT be a slave.)
When his new Hebrew master shows up to claim Dennis, I expect to hear "hmm hmm hmm" in classic Ralph Kramden style.
Fun part is that this also means that said laws did in fact apply to the US. So we don't need to imagine what would have happened. We just need to check some non-Republican history books.
I'm really just amazed at the utter contempt in Praeger's voice when he says, "It would've made everyone FEEL good..." about getting rid of slavery. I think when you're fanatically religious long enough, you tend to view comfort, good feeling, joy, happiness, etc. as simply evil -- something to be avoided. I've seen this tendency in way too many people. They start out believing that everything that makes people feel better is something that will eventually, at some point down the road, lead to something that is truly evil. That's weird enough. But later on they seem to reach a point where it's not what the good feeling causes that's evil, it's the good feeling itself. Happiness hurts.
I think he was actually trying to say that God saying “don’t do slavery” would make MODERN Christians feel good and be something they can point to, while the actual impact it has would be negligible as ancient Israelites would’ve ignored the rule entirely. Thus, it wouldn’t have been an effective way to stop slavery, it would just be something societies that have already abolished slavery can look back at and say “see! that makes my religion right!”.
But there are other restrictions in the Bible that the Israelites also ignored, and also restrictions that Christians today ignore, such as “no eating shellfish” or “no eating pork”. God somehow made these revolutionary declarations that still ended up being ignored, yet didn’t also make a revolutionary declaration about slavery that would’ve been ignored. It demonstrates what his priorities are, and freely slaves isn’t one of them.
This Prager guy is insufferable
The deception is so infuriating.
This slavery question about why it wasn’t just outright banned in the bible I always think is a strange one. Prager says this god couldn’t just ban slavery, it would have been too great a move at the time.
However, the point that everyone appears to be missing is that this god, the creator, has always been around. Why didn’t this all knowing god tell Adam and Eve that thereafter no person was to in anyway own another?
Job done, the crash avoided before the crash occurred.
Sean should have reminded Prager that God came to rescue when his people were slaves in Egypt. He didn’t say: “Oh well, there’s nothing I can do about it, pharaoh will ignore me.”
Adam and Eve, famous for DISOBEYING god?
@@pansepot1490god did nothing to protect the servants that begged the Israelites if they could not be their servants and leave Egypt with them...
Nor had god ever intervened with the many slaves of Abraham or Israel before the egypt interlude....
I never heard of an "indentured servant" who could be passed down through inheritance, or one that was described as "property".
I LOVE STRAWBERRIES! Did i mention i call genocide "strawberries"? Yikes dude. You don't get to call a slave a not-slave and call it good. I reject that.
That’s the worst argument for slavery I’ve heard so far. Thanks, Prager.
Last time I was this early, Moses was still never existed
Last time this joke was funny too
When Joshua entered the Northern province of Egypt in the Levant, he must have been very confused after being told it was up for grabs. Not to mention finding Jericho already 200 years abandoned as a city.
Loved this one, Stephen!
First?
Why does Prager consistently defend slavery? Why can't he just say slavery is bad and move on?
Because he knows that any admission the bible got something wrong opens up catastrophic fault lines for his entire stupid religion. And he just cannot let that happen. It's exactly the same as flat earthers and creationists.
Revolutionary
"If you kill a slave you get killed"
or and just hear me out. What if, if you have a slave you get killed or punished?
Prayer U is Olympic level mental gymnastics
As always. Awesome & sound logically constructed arguments that shine a light on the dark places of deliberate religious ignorance & obfuscation. The hero we need in the modern World :)
If these guys where able to go back in time I guarantee they wouldn’t be justifying slavery
Liars for doctrine are liars for doctrine. Shock! Horror!
the ad there near the beginning with the hand strengthener, good for if you "blow out" your hand doing repetitive motions
That's the permanent dilemma when listening to the arguments of religious apologists. Which are they... incredibly ignorant of their own subject matter, or incredibly dishonest? There's no third option.
Technically "both" is a third option.
They aren't slaves they are just playing Simon Says for a long time.
indentured servitude is a type of slavery but its not the worst where the slave is someone's property.
"had thetorah said no slaves it would have been ignored" speaking to how deeply faithful to the word of their god they were, right up there with prager's argument why god has a penis, to make him more understandable to us, just the reasoning needed to rationalize the incredible nonsense in the old testament
Dennis the Menace is one of the leading promoters, and apologist in the alternative media for that adorable little touchy-feely state Israel. So like now I’m going to listen to what this guy has to pontificate about on any subject.