Jazz Drummer Q-Tip of the Week: Differences between Traditional and Modern Jazz Drumming
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- In this jazz drummer lesson, I break down some of the biggest differences between traditional jazz playing and more modern and progressive approaches to playing jazz. Understanding these two approaches to jazz drumming will help you feel comfortable in many different playing situations.
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Here's a list of some of the differences I discuss and demonstrate in this drum lesson:
Traditional
- Comping and soloing is more language oriented
- Not as dynamically adventurous
- Clear sense of 4 and 8 measure phrasing
- Little usage of textures
- Less usage of toms when comping and playing time
- More traditional usage of rudiments and bop language
- Features the swing and the groove with breaking it up
Some drummers associated with “traditional styles” include:
Max Roach ***
Philly Joe Jones
Mel Lewis
Roy Haynes***
Stan Levy
Sonny Payne
Gene Krupa
Frank Butler
Ben Riley
Frankie Dunlop
Frank Butler
Jimmy Cobb
Sam Woodyard
Art Taylor
Lewis Nash
Kenny Washington
Joe Farnsworth
Gregory Hutchinson ***
Willie Jones III
Modern
- Breaking up the time
- Over the bar line playing using hemiolas, modulations and odd groupings
- Dynamically adventurous
- Texturally Adventurous
- Toms involved when comping and playing time
- May feel less restrictive to many musicians than a traditional approach
Some drummers associated with “modern styles” include:
Max Roach ***
Roy Haynes ***
Elvin Jones ***
Tony Williams
Jack DeJohnette
Paul Motian
Brian Blade
Al Foster ***
Gregory Hutchinson ***
Marcus Gilmore
Tyshawn Sorey
Colin Stranahan
Eric Harland
Bill Stewart
Chris Dave
Obed Calvaire
Rudy Royston
Dan Weiss
Kendrick Scott
Otis Brown III
NOTE: This is list of drummers is NOT comprehensive by any means.
Here's a transcription of the intro by Simon Lopez: • Drum Transcription - Q... . Check it out!
LESSONS
I am offering Zoom lessons throughout the summer months. You can sign up for lessons on my website: www.Quincydavisjazz.com/lessons.
I play Zildjian cymbals, Vic Firth sticks and Tama drums exclusively. In this video, I am using:
CYMBALS
22” Prototype Ride
19" A Avedis Crash Ride
16" Custom Special Dry Crash
DRUMS
Starclassic (Maple Molten Brown Burst)
14X18 BD
16X14 FT
14X14 FT
8X12 TT
6.5X14 Snare Drum (Starphonic Copper)
STICKS
Quincy Davis Signature Stick
Quincy
University of North Texas
Professor of Jazz Drum Set
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Hello Q! As always an amazing video full of amazing content! When I'm playing modern I feel like its hard to not overplay, but I think that the solution its to stick to an idea and fully develope it before moving and also having a really good bagage of that traditional roots language... I'm working on that!
Thanks for the shout out BTW! And I have to apologize because Jou T. Farmer its just my IG name!!! So we're the same person lol!!!
See you next video!
Thanks for the comment Joel. When playing in a more "modern" manner, you have to let the music lead you where to go instead of forcing things, though sometimes you can just throw things out there to see how the band reacts to it. But everything you play must be to serve the music and to create musical moments WITH THE BAND, instead of just for your own edification. Hope this helps! And thanks for the clarification with your name:)
@@drumqtips Hello again! Thank you very much for taking the time to write those wise words! It really helps a lot! You are a true inspiration! Blessings!
i love the star wars style scrolling of the names of the greats....."a long time ago behind a drumkit far, far away...."
HAHA!!! Glad somebody appreciated that:)
The modern style reminded me of Elvin Jones a lot, loved the mixing of rhythmic subdivisions and the dynamics!
Elvin should have a category of his own. LOL! Thanks for watching:)
And Brian Blade connects both.... great video!
Absolutely Sebastian! Good call. Can't believe I forgot to mention him. lol
@@drumqtips even if no one metions him, he'll always be there!! Lol
Love this, your face a the beginning was almost like you caught yourself off guard with that crash hit lol.
That's my face when I get lucky. lol!
The traditional swing part sounded a lot like Blakey’s style. Art was a great drummer that was very commanding. Very good video Quincy.
I appreciate that Chuck! Blakey was the absolute best!!
I enjoy your videos because they generally simplify getting around the set. Thank you.
Great video! So informative. Your channel is amazing and you, as an instructor and player, are top notch!
I appreciate that!
Thank you SO much, Quincy!
You are SO welcome Jose!
I love how clear your articulation is no matter what style you're exemplifying. Thanks for creating, this helps me to stay connected to the artform at a time that it's gotten incrementally easier to be distant from the kit.
You are so welcome Brandon!
Every time great lessons !!! Thanks a lot.
감사합니다 as always sir!
hey Quincy. thanks for putting this video together man. love hearing your words and thoughts on drumming
My pleasure Alfie!
Love this stuff man … please keep these coming !
Will do! Thanks for watching Chow.
Another great video, thank you !!
I appreciate that Alexandre!
Great video, as usual, thanks.
Thanks as always Joe!
Thank You for another wonderful lesson!
Your support is much appreciated Tom!
Very informative! and great playing too
Thank you kindly Soup!
I love watching your video lessons. You mentioned a lot of great drummers names who gave to the music 🥁🥁Thanks for sharing your talents. Sounds nice real nice 🥁🥁
I appreciate that very much Warren! Thanks for watching.
my gawd your playing is so good!
Wonderful playing and lesson!
As always, many thanks Rita!
Awesome tutorial
Glad you liked it Paul!
Wow this is great!
I appreciate that!
amazing man!
You're too kind Emanuele! Thanks for watching.
Great stuff... very informative and helpful...thank you
Glad it was helpful Carl!
I think the second solo you did reminded me of Max Roach playing Conversations.
Hard for me not to play any Max. Love him too much. LOL
Great video! I was so looking for Bill Stewart in the modern section.
Oh shoot! How could I forget him?? He's one of my biggest influences. Oh well. Thanks for watching as always Dyre!
You have my full confidence. I so loved the interview you made with him.
Great lesson.
Please make a more modern, 2000's jazz drumming lesson!
It's definitely on the list of lessons to do in the future! Thank you:)
Hey man can you make a video on jazz in odd time signatures like 5/4 and 7/4 etc? Thanks for your great videos
Great idea Thomas! Thnx
One way to think of Jazz Drumming is to think of it in terms of 3 different feels. 2-beat, double time, and open. Ahmad Jamal and Miles Davis during the late 1950's and early 1960's are some of the best models of a 2-beat or double time feel. The Bill Evans trios and Miles Davis quintet of the mid 1960's and also Elvin Jones with John Coltrane are some of the best models of a more open feel. Most of the important groups of the 1970's and 1980's were influenced by these rhythm sections.
Awesome breakdown Michael! Thanks for sharing this.
Your welcome Quincy.
This is great and VERY relevant to me right now. Thank you! Would love a video on some of Jack and Roy's approach to playing melodically and breaking up the time. :)
Glad it was helpful David and good ideas!
Great 👍
Thank you Peter!
My dude, this one is getting a lot of views and I know why. This is damn good content!
I'm loving that 22 prototype Mr. Davis!
Thank you! I like it too:)
The modern groove reminded me of the way Antonio Sanchez played “Missouri Uncompromised” (Metheny) w/ Gary Burton and Steve Swallow.
Love Antonio!!
Great lesson! Thank you so much! You should write a drum book :-)
Working on it Derek:) Thanks for the support.
Just found your channel. Haven’t found a drummer like you on TH-cam. You really know jazz drumming and those chops tho!
I really appreciate that Travis!
Really good lesson Quincy! It's useful to know the difference. It took me a while to understand that you need to study traditional before you can even attempt modern... I wonder what they will call what we are referring to as 'modern' jazz in 60 years?
Bebop will become early jazz and "modern" jazz will become traditional jazz. lol!
Great video once again but I was a little surprised by you referring to some post-war drumming style as 'traditional' while I still would refer to all of it as 'modern'. 😉
That's why I used quotation marks when I said modern and progressive:) Everything happening after the mid 40's could be considered "modern" for sure. I guess I was also thinking about even "more modern" approaches that are being applied to TODAY'S jazz drumming that's different than the "modern" approaches being used by Kenny Clarke and Max Roach. Great point Christoph👍🏾. Thanks for watching as always Christoph!
Can you recommend a recording tyshawn plays anything close to this? I only know him from playing """""""free"""""""" or noise "music". Thank you!
The latest Vijay Iyer CD Uneasy and Lage Lund's CD Terrible Animals are good examples of him using some of these a. approaches
Q!! In your "a long time ago in a galaxy far away" for modern players, how did you miss Bill unbefreakinlievable Stewart?!?! I forgive you...this was another golden nugget brotha!!! Always looking forward to your wisdom!
I know! But I listed him in the description box at least:)
Toms sounding beautiful (amongst everything else)! Wondering what kind of Aquarians you're using?
Thanks Ben! I am using Aquarian Texture Coated heads.
I would like to ask for your opinion, Quincy.
I’m 67, and live way up in the frozen North.
I played live music as a guitarist in clubs for years. Now I have a modest home recording studio. I love playing both my drums and my guitars; I only play bass and keys when I need to as part of a recording.
My question: at my age, what percentage of my time should I spend on my main instrument, guitar, compared to drums which is much fun but I started them very late in life?
I feel like I should stop drums and completely focus on guitar.
Any advice for an old musician?
Depends on what you’re trying to do. If you’re trying to get really good on the drums then maybe spend more time in them than guitar since you’re behind in that instrument. If you’re just doing it for fun and not expecting to get that good, then maybe just practice drums once in a while and focus more time on the guitar. Hard question for me to answer since I don’t know exactly what your goals are. Thanks for watching!
Great lesson thank you..What type of camera do you record with?
Here's a video I did about my set up: th-cam.com/video/j4w-Au_qWyE/w-d-xo.html.
@@drumqtips thank you very much
8:50 what a reaction to their own performance
Ha! Just having a good time:)
I would like an interview with Jochen Rueckert, like the one with bill stewart
Good idea Chris!
You left out Frankie Dunlop bruh ….
Listed him in the description box Chow. But yeah, there's a lot great drummers I couldn't name unfortunately. Thanks for watching.