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Robert… at about 2hr 20 you put together such a great understanding of what we know for the creation of the other/ the pact/ and the long night. Bravo my good sir 👏
Just got into your older streams in my desperation for more ice and fire. I love how knowledgeable you are and how you can explain things that most people miss. Great work sir! 👏. Keep it up!! Thank you
Yet another fantastic topic and stream. One of these days I'll catch one live again.
Definitely a great upgrade! Missed the live stream, as I have a lot of past streams but I watch them when able. Been going through a lot of life changes the past 3 months and haven't been able to donate.
Hopefully things will get better. I love your streams and looking forward to this one. Thank you for your excellent coverage.
Always coming thru with the primo content. Looking good now sounding as clear!! We appreciate you bud.
wonderful improvements to sound and video quality! much appreciated, as it sets off your programs to perfection.
I only learned today that the well told tale is on podcast. Brilliant! Also, I would love to hear you talk about Discworld but understand why it’s not a priority.
Audio sounds great! Thanks for another great stream
I really love yours streams and this one was no exception. It´s just a shame we didn´t touch more on a subject of Great Empire of the Dawn and the great similarities it has with Westeros legends. Five great fortresses on the edge of Grey Waste were acording to legends erected to hold of dark creatures of Lion of Night who brings only death and darkness. Who has striking similarities to our legends of a great night and The Great Other. And the Black Stone from which Asshai, Yeen, and Seastone Chair are build seems interesting too :) but great video anyway.
Love the murky depths of the dawn age. Really enjoyed the question/answer about the 2 walls and original nights watch. Got me thinking could moat cayln (90% sure that's spelt wrong 🤔) be the first wall before the children and men pushed the weights to the far wall.
Iirc, Moat Caylin and the neck is easily defended from attacks from the South but easily taken from the North. Which is the opposite of what you would want in this situation.
I've been thinking a lot about how the Nightfort may have been humanity's forward command during the Long Night. It fits with this idea of a moving war front.
What if the White Walkers were the ultimate option for some splinter group of the Children (the fanatics) and the pact was between the First Men and the main group of the Children who hadn't wanted to use the ultimate option because it might destroy the world. So the pact was between some of the Children (most?) and the First Men against the White Walkers and those few Children who were their makers
Makes sense to me
wow robert! i LOVE all the updates to the streams :) been following along with you since 2016 and it’s been a blast. congrats, mate
I had to leave right after I posted my question. Thank you so much for answering it so well!
Audio sounds great, mate! Sorry I missed this live (moving SUCKS 🤪). Excited for this one. Cheers to you Ser Robert of House IDG. 🥂
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I believe people should also read A New Spring (the prologue) in addition to Eye of the World and The Great Hunt if wanting to read along with the series. I realize Eye will not be covered, but it helps to give background for the book series. That being said, I think the series will be significantly truncated, so reading might confuse plot lines (which will necessarily be simplified). Wheel of Time cannot be translated to film as written by Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson if for no other reason that it contains too much information in a less than 4 year storyline.
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Nice upgrades Robert!
looks and sounds much better bro, would be watching either way !!!
Everything looks and sounds great! Love your videos!
Those first few seconds where he just silent and staring down the camera, i sometimes wake up screaming with that image in my mind
Deep Ones / Squishers: it is said that the Crannog Men have webbed fingers.
Robert is both knees of a bee
Hope ur liking ur new camera looks so much better. Hope u enjoyed ur summer and enjoy the last few weeks of warm weather. Well idk what ur weather is I live in New Jersey and these final weeks of warmth are chaotic with hurricane season. But love the content and please keep it coming.
In Deep!!!
From what I know, Season 1 of The Wheel of Time covers Book 1 and the first 1/3 of Book 2
Another great stream,,,,i would love to see you go over the prince of nothing trilogy with as much depth ?!
There is limited evidence of architectural advancement in Westeros in that older castles, or the old towers in updated castles, have square towers instead of round. Given the obsession with warfare in Westeros, that's not surprising at all, because round towers are a direct response to advanced projectile weapons! But a few examples are the Whispers (which actually has even less-advanced triangular towers), Raventree Hall, the inner, oldest wall of Winterfell, and the Hightower itself.
The area between Britain, France, Netherlands and Scandinavia is called Doggaland for all it's history pre the 10,000 years mark. Through the ice ages and the sea level change it went from covered in ice to habitable, ice lolly again and slowly getting boggier to only become sea. The deep ones could be a reference to this?
Interesting 👍 🔥🐲
Wait. What if the Hammer of the Waters *was* the event which brought the Others into existence and threw the seasons out of balance? Like, if the seasons go all wacky, that's gonna have some pretty severe consequences short term. What is now called the "Hammer of the Waters" was just a side effect of the seasons changing, and it resulted in the destruction of the Arm of Dorne as well as making the Iron Islands and the swampification of the Neck, and the seasons changing was itself just a side effect of the Others being made.
That would line up with the whole "tens of thousands of their own sacrificed" that we hear about for the hammer of the waters, no?
You are right there brother. So close you have your finger on the answer but havent quite uncovered it yet. Go listen to David Lightbringer's Timeline Heresies: The Pact and the Hammer of the Waters livestream. He has some answers on this topic you might find convincing.
@@squisherking I was literally about to plug LML till i saw your comment lol
Have you read any of the old Star Wars "Legends" books aka the ones Disney usee the snap on when buying Star Wars
love your stuff. new shirt please.
I'm just on a rewatch. Lady Brienne of Tarth acting like she didnt know Pod wouldn't have cooked for Lord Tyrion. I can hear sandor say "you dumb B" every time.
Have you ever considered doing a history series for British history? If I'd have had you knocking around to narrate history books during my secondary school education, I'd probably know a great deal more about the history of England and the United Kingdom.
WRT Wheel of Time, at this point, I’d much rather watch the show before reading the books. This way I won’t get annoyed by all the things the show changed.
House Dayne’s words: “And now it ends.”
Bran seemed to have interfered in the past in the same way Harry and Hermione did in POA
I've always been a bit skeptical about the idea of First Men interbreeding with the Children of the Forest to explain Warging and Greenseeing. First off, men can't even interbreed with Brindled Men or Ibbenese and they're arguably closer to Men than the Children were given their power, deep connection to nature and enormous lifespans. Secondly, no one suggests Valyrians married dragons and made babies with them to gain their powers, they imbued themselves with that power through sorcery and blood magic (most likely) so it stands to reason the Children would use similar methods to give the First Men these powers which would explain why the Pact lasted all the way until the Andals invaded and why the First Men chose to set aside their own gods and worship the Old Gods and started seeing the Weirwood trees as sacred.
And I think the tales about Giants mating with Men are also likely mythical. We know from the Sarnori and the people of Leng that some races of Men are simply taller than average and that height can run in bloodlines (like Ser Duncan the Tall who some believe is the ancestor of both Brienne of Tarth and Hodor) and we also know that Men in this universe can suffer familiar ailments like Gigantism which seems to be exactly what's wrong with Ser Gregor Clegane. Known symptoms of Gigantism (apart from the obvious) include psychological problems and headaches, in the books he's described as having both and he drinks frequently to ease the pain. Point is, a lot of these suggestions about Men successfully creating bloodlines by breeding with older races probably have about as much merit as Tormund's name "Giantsbane", makes for a good story but that's probably all it is. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go forge a link in Mythbusting. Wonder what metal Maesters use for that...
Evolution is weird though. There are animals that don't appear similar that are very closely related. Then other animals that evolved to appear exactly the same but are completely different.
Can't think of the examples of the top of the head. But a looser example. Real world Direwolves are not ancestors of the grey wolf but they were nearly identical. Their two evolution tracks simply curved back together.
Applying this to humanoid evolution. Certain 'man' races may have evolved to look like men but aren't almost at all. Or not enough. Then the children and giants started from the same ancestor and evolved to appear different but is still made up of the same blocks.
"If the Wildlings were more organized, more loyal-" basically you want to know if the Wildlings would be a threat... if they weren't Wildlings anymore?
I feel like “we bring dawn” could be the words of house dayne
Would sound reasonable to other houses but could also be taken as their role in the long night
Couldn't "walls," plural, mean that the 300mi stretch of the Walll, as we know it, started off as several walls, that eventually came together?
I'm not an engineer but it seems to me that 300mi is a lot to cover. If they started building walls at the Nightfort (kind of center-ish), and also from the east and the west coasts, you could end up with couple walls, right?
In the US- isn't that how they connected the Atlantic and Pacific coasts via the tanscontinental railroad?
(No evidence for this! Not even a theory. Just a thought...)
I like the theory that the wall is just a long row of connected weirwoods that got frozen over by ice magic.
That definitely would make a lot of sense. Certainly, in an engineering mindset, it would be foolish to try building something so immense all at once, so you'd have a variety of worksites working towards each other. Maybe that's the whole reason why there are many forts? We know there weren't all 19 at the beginning, but there surely must have been more than 3 when the physical barrier began construction?
I've also thought maybe that part of the oath predates the Wall and refers to a more scattered order of Night's Watchmen guarding the walls of castles across the land during the early years of the Long Night. In this concept, the Nightfort would have been a sort of forward command for humanity. This assumes that the Long Night occurred before the construction of the Wall, which is what I personally think is the course of events. All very much opinion and not a hill I need to die on, though.
WEIRWOOD PASTE IS PEOPLE!
IDG!!!
What if Oldtown is a trading post for trading with the WEST of Westeros?
If we picture the Narrow Sea closed off by an intact Arm of Dorne, suddenly it makes Oldtown the first safe harbour along that entire rocky southern coast. Why set a harbour in Dorne when it's mostly desert fenced in by mountains? Any other trading hubs in Westeros wouldn't have been dealing with sailors coming from the far east because the Narrow Sea would be a completely different body of water to those travelers. If people in Essos wanted to trade with the east and north of Westeros, it would make way more sense to be civilizations that were local to that Andalos/Pentos/Braavos/Myr region.
Good content as always but we need George to spill the beans and start giving us information. He’s held back so much in his obsession with opening mystery boxes that I don’t believe there’s enough book space in the final 2 books to answers it all.
He criticised Tolkien for not building on politics, money, sexual deviancy and grey area in characters but has done us all a bigger wrong by keeping too many secrets on his own enigmas.
Don’t prepare for Winter.
Prepare for Disappointment.
Azor Ahai is Coldhands?
Could the children of the forest creating the white walkers be similar to the TV show. With the cost being paid by their endless hunger for death.
Not all magic seems to require sacrifice. Skinchanging seems to require nothing of the sort. Neither does pyromancymas far as I can tell. Some magic seems to require it but by no ,eans all
I feel like the uncontrollable result of pyromancy is kinda the sacrifice. Like, the alchemists don't have to sacrifice to make wildfire, but SOMEBODY certainly pays a price at some point.
You're like the Bryan Cox of fantasy
I don't want to critize or anything, what the hell do I know about making videos, but I've heard other youtubers talk about it and just want to help you out by pointing out, since you make great content, that you should try to prevent having the timelength-stamps on the bottom right of videos blurring out the text in your tumbnails. It's a little thing but hey take it or leave it.
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PooP I just missed it
Hollywood let's me down everytime. Read the books and forget a movie/series ever exists.
Remember back in 2013 when Game of Thrones was unexpectedly cancelled after three high-quality seasons? What a tragedy that was. I wonder what the rest of the series might have been like.
yeah but the showrunner for the lotr show came out with a picture of all teh actors and thier pro nouns. and went on to call the writing of Tolkien as "problematic" and a lot needs to be changed for todays sensebilities... so i wouldnt hold up much hope that survives identity polotics
Went too off topic. More Dawn Age please 🙏
Wheel of time sucked bro
Who hangs a frame like that?
Many people. It's called a picture rail...for hanging pictures.
Besides Wheel of Time being a terrible series the show ended up being somehow even worse. I think I watched less than 5 minutes and knew. I made it through the rings of power but i'll be holding on by the fingertips on season 2. Easily slipping off.
WOT show is going to be terrible, unfortunately