If she's not oppressive early she can't contest marks, she couldn't invade and she would need her team to help and 'sacrifice' their lanes and in soloq that's kinda impossible to fo unless in a duo. Also yes the clear speed needs some improvements.
thats just not true, "can't contest marks" implies marking champions and proper mark manipulation isnt an option. needing to be oppressive early is an excuse to allow bad players force fights they shouldn't win on an infinitely scaling champion. even witha weaker early and slightly better farm speed you still get marks of of ganking and properly tracking where your marks will spawn. kindred early should very much be reduced or their scaling should be reduced and balanced around early to mid having them being strong early mid and late is why the champ will always be polarizing for the player base and either feel useless or too good.
@@GodlyPolo idk man, if you can reach that 4th mark faster it feels so much better vs when you have to play for only marking champions. Those games when enemy laners are contesting your marks are such a pain to deal with at least now I can 1 vs 2 and get what I came for without feeling powerless.
for the mark manipulation mention, could you possibly explain it (whether in just an outright guide or maybe a short) and how to somewhat properly guess which camp will mark? as well as maybe for when to go onhit vs crit? those are two things i tend to struggle with understanding
Mark of kindred tldr: Jungle spawns based on how many you already have> 0 - scuttle crabs only 1-3 - scuttle+raptors + gromp 4-7 - buffs+golems+wolves 8+ only on dragons or whatever is in baron pit Marks will spawn only if the camp is alive at the point of spawing. If unattended, the Mark will vanish after 3 minutes, if the camp is killed then the Mark will disappear( !on the map, the timer for the next Mark starts here) in 15 seconds. The next Mark will spawn on a random camp 30 seconds after the Mark will disappear FROM THE MAP ( 45 seconds total ). Again, the if no suitable camps are alive, it will spawn on the 1st available camp when it will respawn.
first mark always on crab after that u remember the 1-3 or 4-7 possible spawns and try to predict where the next mark will be most of the times should be a 50-50 but if u know how to track the enemy jg then u can predict it 90% of the times, if u dont know where enemy jg is and what camps are up then u cant manipulate much. Tho this is much easier in higher elo in emerald-diamond 3-4 ppl like to come and do the mark on spawn just to make u feel bad for no reason at all.
Larger death timers. Or remove homeguards pre20. It's ridiculous this season that you get little to no reward for invading early on a champ like Kindred. Oh and dragon and baron stacks should go up to 12 marks.
What i find very funny is, Kindred E slow scales on ap. My 800AP kindred build had around %71 slow with E. But the real question, Who builds ap with kindred?
@@Friskiep what would you build for ap to not be completely useless. Like if you really wanted to sweat what would be the way? Maybe looking for a weird sweet spot where your mixed damage to get just enough slow?
@@gir240 Its not much of a big impact so, i dont its worth. Kindred E slow scales on %5 of your total ap. Having Guinsoo's Rageblade adds only %2 to your slow and that's the best option to buy if you dont want to buy some full ap item. But if you really really want to have more slow, you can buy something like Mejai for a cheap price then stack its passive to get 125ap at max. Even with Guinsoo and Mejai combined, it gives you a maximum of %38 slow which is totally not worth for just %8 more slow. At this point just go for some troll build with full ap. 950ap kindred has %78 slow rate with E ability.
I like kindred but i feel like if i dont have a team to help get the marks i dont get stack that much, so i wish the enemy team would have to remember the mark spawn just like i do, so give the mark a delay before they see them maybe 20-25 second delay enough to finish my camp and then head to the mark.
I dont know whats wrong with kindred prob its just because of the items she feels too bad on 1 or 2 items but gets strong on 3. I feel like i have 0 impact on the early game and always get behind with mediocre scores cuz i dont do enough dmg and all my kills get stolen or they escape with 1 hp. I wish for split 1 kindred...
Honestly from my experience, kindred is a strong champion and really fun to use but in my region people just spam lee and yi which ,personally, my hardest matchup Lee is kinda broken in my elo since he has alot of mobility+ damage but he could still be punished by dodging his Q correctly However for yi, i often find myself in the situation of being unable to kill him whenever he goes W since kindred doesnt have any CC beside slow, making me feel so frustrated to fight against him My only wish is she gets small fear like 0.2s to counter him(ik it would be very op in higher elo if she does get )
I feel like Kindred is very underpowered currently and should possibly be slightly buffed, or some extra type of reward for having to risk take in the opposing jg like maybe some added stats with each mark? I also feel Kindeds clear is too slow and shes a tad too squishy sometimes early game. I also struggle with q positioning as well sometimes, i also feel like with the nerfs to items Kindred is definitely not in a good place, and i don't understand tge balance team and what theyvare doing. I also don't understand why they are moni reworking alit of newer champions and eish they would focus on the state of things so its not constantly changing and weird but thrn again i think thry should do oess new champs as well or completely stop with them since there are so many and it makes ut hard to balance rvery one of them, and the fsct older less played chsmpions kinda grt forgotten about.
If she's not oppressive early she can't contest marks, she couldn't invade and she would need her team to help and 'sacrifice' their lanes and in soloq that's kinda impossible to fo unless in a duo. Also yes the clear speed needs some improvements.
thats just not true, "can't contest marks" implies marking champions and proper mark manipulation isnt an option. needing to be oppressive early is an excuse to allow bad players force fights they shouldn't win on an infinitely scaling champion. even witha weaker early and slightly better farm speed you still get marks of of ganking and properly tracking where your marks will spawn. kindred early should very much be reduced or their scaling should be reduced and balanced around early to mid having them being strong early mid and late is why the champ will always be polarizing for the player base and either feel useless or too good.
@@GodlyPolo idk man, if you can reach that 4th mark faster it feels so much better vs when you have to play for only marking champions. Those games when enemy laners are contesting your marks are such a pain to deal with at least now I can 1 vs 2 and get what I came for without feeling powerless.
for the mark manipulation mention, could you possibly explain it (whether in just an outright guide or maybe a short) and how to somewhat properly guess which camp will mark? as well as maybe for when to go onhit vs crit? those are two things i tend to struggle with understanding
sure ill work on an updated mark video since it's been a bit since i did one
Mark of kindred tldr:
Jungle spawns based on how many you already have>
0 - scuttle crabs only
1-3 - scuttle+raptors + gromp
4-7 - buffs+golems+wolves
8+ only on dragons or whatever is in baron pit
Marks will spawn only if the camp is alive at the point of spawing. If unattended, the Mark will vanish after 3 minutes, if the camp is killed then the Mark will disappear( !on the map, the timer for the next Mark starts here) in 15 seconds. The next Mark will spawn on a random camp 30 seconds after the Mark will disappear FROM THE MAP ( 45 seconds total ). Again, the if no suitable camps are alive, it will spawn on the 1st available camp when it will respawn.
@@macoveivlad5641 this yes (ignoring certain mark bugs) is all you really need to know about marks
first mark always on crab after that u remember the 1-3 or 4-7 possible spawns and try to predict where the next mark will be most of the times should be a 50-50 but if u know how to track the enemy jg then u can predict it 90% of the times, if u dont know where enemy jg is and what camps are up then u cant manipulate much. Tho this is much easier in higher elo in emerald-diamond 3-4 ppl like to come and do the mark on spawn just to make u feel bad for no reason at all.
Larger death timers. Or remove homeguards pre20. It's ridiculous this season that you get little to no reward for invading early on a champ like Kindred. Oh and dragon and baron stacks should go up to 12 marks.
Death timers are getting upped by a few seconds early game
Loved the vid, Polo, keep it up!
Was very nice to see a video that you talk about the game, but it is always nice to see your twitch videos as well!
glad you enjoyed
revert the slow nerf on E, thats all.
please that slow
What i find very funny is, Kindred E slow scales on ap. My 800AP kindred build had around %71 slow with E. But the real question, Who builds ap with kindred?
@@Friskiep what would you build for ap to not be completely useless. Like if you really wanted to sweat what would be the way? Maybe looking for a weird sweet spot where your mixed damage to get just enough slow?
@@gir240 Its not much of a big impact so, i dont its worth. Kindred E slow scales on %5 of your total ap. Having Guinsoo's Rageblade adds only %2 to your slow and that's the best option to buy if you dont want to buy some full ap item. But if you really really want to have more slow, you can buy something like Mejai for a cheap price then stack its passive to get 125ap at max. Even with Guinsoo and Mejai combined, it gives you a maximum of %38 slow which is totally not worth for just %8 more slow. At this point just go for some troll build with full ap. 950ap kindred has %78 slow rate with E ability.
is bruiser build kindred good or can it work at some point?
builds with fighter and onhit items still work fine yeah just sometimes you need more damage
I like kindred but i feel like if i dont have a team to help get the marks i dont get stack that much, so i wish the enemy team would have to remember the mark spawn just like i do, so give the mark a delay before they see them maybe 20-25 second delay enough to finish my camp and then head to the mark.
I dont know whats wrong with kindred prob its just because of the items she feels too bad on 1 or 2 items but gets strong on 3. I feel like i have 0 impact on the early game and always get behind with mediocre scores cuz i dont do enough dmg and all my kills get stolen or they escape with 1 hp. I wish for split 1 kindred...
When you're just chilling GP
Honestly from my experience, kindred is a strong champion and really fun to use but in my region people just spam lee and yi which ,personally, my hardest matchup
Lee is kinda broken in my elo since he has alot of mobility+ damage but he could still be punished by dodging his Q correctly
However for yi, i often find myself in the situation of being unable to kill him whenever he goes W since kindred doesnt have any CC beside slow, making me feel so frustrated to fight against him
My only wish is she gets small fear like 0.2s to counter him(ik it would be very op in higher elo if she does get )
I feel like Kindred is very underpowered currently and should possibly be slightly buffed, or some extra type of reward for having to risk take in the opposing jg like maybe some added stats with each mark? I also feel Kindeds clear is too slow and shes a tad too squishy sometimes early game. I also struggle with q positioning as well sometimes, i also feel like with the nerfs to items Kindred is definitely not in a good place, and i don't understand tge balance team and what theyvare doing. I also don't understand why they are moni reworking alit of newer champions and eish they would focus on the state of things so its not constantly changing and weird but thrn again i think thry should do oess new champs as well or completely stop with them since there are so many and it makes ut hard to balance rvery one of them, and the fsct older less played chsmpions kinda grt forgotten about.
IMO, I love the nerfs because I want to be able to play kindred in solo que. on that note, I would love a reworked wolf ai, just me
haii polo:D
hi zada
potato
Just cap her marks on champion. Everyone starts with a mark, but once they die, you can't get a mark from them again.
Lane kindred would be unplayable if this change was implemented. Horrible take.