@@TheyCallMeDio Wasn't me. I am just genuinely happy to see good sports on MTG Arena because my experience is that many of them are the opposite of good sports.
@@VictorianoOchoaagreed. Like I totally get it, most of the time I’ll concede when it’s clear I don’t have a way to win, but sometimes you’ve just gotta let people have fun with their bullshit
@@Il_Dilettante I thought about it after a while and was so thankful someone had the same conclusion. As for the Companion rule I guess I sort of used that as a blanket term for making a card essentially cost more for being in your hand, regardless. Cascade is a better description, so I agree! Plot still seems pretty flexible which I think is going to ignite a lot of home brews. I’m excited.
If they made an adventure card have a combined cmc that would be even worse for game balance, because it means adventure creatures can just freeroll into cascade and discover decks, to be fair @g.n.s.
53:20 - While I do agree that the mana base seems to be working overall, there were multiple instances of color screw when Seth needed to Supreme Verdict. I think that card in specific may be a bit to greedy on the mana base. Can the deck work with a more castable wrath? Or are there that many aggro decks in this format that have counterspells?
As weird as it is, the other 4-mana Wraths are harder to cast (Kaya's Wrath) or have downsides like Shatter the Sky or Depopulate. Actual Wrath of God and Day of Judgment aren't in Pioneer.
@@NMS127 If you have Ulamog in play? Seems like winmore to me. Or Ulamog is bad if it can't win the game against aggro by itself given you could have cheated in virtually any creature.
As soon as I saw Kellan Joins Up I thought the card should merge with the Reenact the Crime archetype in standard. I haven't tried it yet, but Kellan/Familiar paired with Reenact/Jewel+Vault should provide an insane amount of consistency with the added benefit of partially avoiding targeted graveyard hate
I'm very confused by the fact that once you were on 1 and couldn't cast the Atraxa, that you kept her in hand instead of discarding her off Jace, which woulda let you cast her when Tibalt went ultimate
How did you get the Mystery Booster playtest card on Arena lol I think Pick Your Poison is the first play test card to have its name get used on a real card.
I know Ulamog seems like such a big really good creature to put, but I just feel like something could be put at this place. Not sure what, but it felt dead a lot of the time except maybe the last game ?
I feel like gilded goose might be brtter in some number than a full playset of Llanowar elves. The food generation and mana of any color would have been huge in that slogfest with mono white
Seth I'm working on my Birgi Ignus Combo deck for Timeless, its quite fun and consistent. It mulligans really well, and its so satisfying to grapeshot or imact tremors somebody for 20.
:D I was happy that my fplth the lost on the range, threw me alot of cards... Now i know i missed one big fact. So gonna make a plot deck with the adeventure sites in mind now xD.
If you wanna have a higher chance of turboing out Jace or Kellan Joins Up wouldn't Goose be better to have a 4 off than running 8 elves? More consistently the right colors, though you do lose some long game.
I had the idea for a deck like this before the set released but it was waaaaay more all in. With a mana base of all early untapped lands to support it. I haven't played it because it's very wildcard intensive but looks like a good time and not as bad as I had originally conceived. It doesn't look to have the peaks of your deck cheating Atraxa or Ulamog early but it aims to whiff way less often. Instead of having a deck more dedicated to Bramble Familiar and it's payoffs like your's, mine aims to be more consistent at hitting that turn 2/3 plot, even including blue leyline for a turn 2 flash Jace because why not if the deck is all in anyway. It was really just an concept of "How can we abuse these Plot 3 or less cards?" and as I found out doing research the answer isn't great besides Valki. Bramble is decent but requires significant deck building commitment of additional payoffs. I went the other direction. Including more cards with a cheap, plottable front half, therefore making Bramble bad but making a card like "Release to the Wind" another enabler for the deck. And to be clear I don't expect it what I've made to be good. Just an idea of "How far can I take this Jank concept?". Kinda wish I could test my deck but alas. At least I can share my thoughts...and the list. www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6400273#arena (Sideboard is just examples of other potential cards that work with the plot cheat idea rather than a real sideboard.)
So I don't think I'm going to use this in Pioneer, way too expensive, but this might have just solved a Commander I was debating selling and was gonna be sad because while he's my first I've never done a lot with him due to not having the right stuff/knowing the typical stuff you do with him. I think with this combo though this could be what we've been looking for all this time.
On the game 2 against golgari vampires rigging (first bo3), you could've just transformed valki into the hammerskull AFTER attacking and wouldn't get a stun counte
i thought it was mildly bm to keep stylin on the opponent after getting the gg in game 5 but seth just didn't realize how big the team was lol niceeee win rate
Nah, that was for split cards, not double-face cards. Split cards used to have three different costs (left side, right side, both sides) that you could choose from when a card asks for mana value. Now it's always the combined cost.
For the Desparking stuff, it's been mostly inconsistent, we know Nissa lost hers, but like Chandra, Kaya, and Ajani kept theirs, Jace kept his, Vraska lost hers. It was less "the big 5 all got desparked" and more like "we desparked people at completely random."
He already has 8 unplayable bricks in the deck it’s probably not great to have another one, especially one that only helps with jace and doesn’t help any other part of the deck
this is a terrible combo that doesn't help at all. kellan joins up does the exact same thing on turn 2, and doesnt need some janky terrible 2 card combo that normally doesn't win the game bc u had to put 4 dead cards in ur deck for it to work.
26:50 You are desparate for lifegain and your opponent was so nice to give you a 3/2 life linker. Why you no exile with Tibalt???? Edit, and then you still don't play it when you ultimate Tibalt...
Stop making unbeatable decks!!! I’m only kidding. Every time I log on to Arena to try something like this out I’m immediately paired against someone with the same deck but with like 12 more mythics, lol.
@@MTGGoldfish I'm glad you acknowledged it, I was curious if they had full pioneer on the client yet and I just missed something, lol (Btw, there's a video on my channel called Karn's Caffeine Addiction. It's a Dynavolt Tower + Paradox Engine deck. I think you should check it out and try to improve upon my list, I think the deck is solid but could use some tweaking and I have faith in you to do that better than I did)
the biggest problem w this deck is ur filling up 8 slots w completely dead draws, and jace is a dead draw turns 1-3. 12 cards, or roughly 20% of your deck, is completely worthless most of the game. def better than the leyline of anticipation bs, i still dont get how some people think that's good, but i dont see it being seriously good.
Multiple cards on one card (split cards, adventures, DFC,etc) have long been known to have good interactions with ways to cast free spells. So at this point if it is a design mistake then they really don’t know their game.
@@gooob7548 Except they had to make a rule change to cascade because of it lol. It just shouldn't work that way at all or it *should* work that way but in all circumstances.
Gotta love MTG's bugs and horrible coding, like letting the adventure of Bramble Familar be cast for free from plot... imagine being made by WOTC and still allowing stuff that isn't allowable in paper.
@@christiandfeliodfelio3055 no, you’re just wrong about this, you can cast adventures and the backsides of MDFC’s of plotted cards for free, it isn’t an arena only thing, you could bring it to an in person tournament and it would work exactly the same
I can’t watch any more of this. At 23 minutes I have to face the fact that despite playing magic for much of his adult life, Seth is very bad. I know the deck is complicated and the video is just for fun, but it’s not for me, it’s just painful to watch. See ya ✌️.
@@EmilFreiesleben-vp5hk I think he's referring to Seth playing the new Tibalt without activating his first one, thus missing one activation. I picked up on it, too, but Seth isn't just playing; he's creating content at the same time. There's a lot going on, so he's going to miss things occasionally.
Indeed, respect to the mono w humans player (Asabin) for sticking through that. Great sportsmanship.
I'm sure they wanted to see how that turned out haha
That was you, wasn't it?
@@TheyCallMeDio Wasn't me. I am just genuinely happy to see good sports on MTG Arena because my experience is that many of them are the opposite of good sports.
@@VictorianoOchoaagreed. Like I totally get it, most of the time I’ll concede when it’s clear I don’t have a way to win, but sometimes you’ve just gotta let people have fun with their bullshit
Maybe monowhite player waited for brave the elements card. He really needed do 1 damage :D
.....Anyone want to tell Seth his Deck Editor grabbed the _wrong_ *Pick Your Poison* ?
I was thinking the same thing
Yes but no.. it's kinda funnier with the wrong one up :D
Intentional asf
I'm confused what's the other one?
There's a card from the mystery booster play test cards with the same name@@dangeresque429
Typical gamer: Wow, this guy sucks
Seth: Our opponent has made some choices this game that would be very different from the choices I would make
😂
golden goose seems like a much better mana dork if your goal is to cast a tri-color or double-U spell on turn 2 or 3
"Our opponents hand dies nothing"
Not even 2 secs later
"Our opponents hand plays a turn 3 Vein Ripper" 😂
Can't Thoughtsieze the top of the deck ;)
That vein ripper promo art looks like he's pulling off a sick kick flip
I'm not sure why I heard Pugnacious Hamburgerskull and I was here for it.
It's Seth, every pronunciation is possible
That is or will be a YGO card.
being able to cast the adventure half when a card is plotted is very dumb and also very funny
Yeah I’m hoping they don’t “Nerf” it to some kind of Companion-esque additional cost. Would it work with like Sea Gate Restoration then?
@@g.n.s.plot says cast so no it can't play the land. also the companion rule is not the relevant rule, the cascade one is.
@@Il_Dilettante I thought about it after a while and was so thankful someone had the same conclusion. As for the Companion rule I guess I sort of used that as a blanket term for making a card essentially cost more for being in your hand, regardless. Cascade is a better description, so I agree!
Plot still seems pretty flexible which I think is going to ignite a lot of home brews. I’m excited.
If they made an adventure card have a combined cmc that would be even worse for game balance, because it means adventure creatures can just freeroll into cascade and discover decks, to be fair @g.n.s.
Plot into Adventure has the same energy as a forced camping trip.
fun fact if you give jace flash you can flash it out turn 1 (you have to cast it on your opponents turn as its not your turn)
Unfair, he has plot armor!
You know what modern magic needs?
Circles of protection
Teaching Arena Zoomers about Sleight Knight
Also ensnaring bridge
Circle of protection: affinity
when against the odds becomes meta
The second time in explorer involving casting cards from exile 🤔
53:20 - While I do agree that the mana base seems to be working overall, there were multiple instances of color screw when Seth needed to Supreme Verdict. I think that card in specific may be a bit to greedy on the mana base. Can the deck work with a more castable wrath? Or are there that many aggro decks in this format that have counterspells?
As weird as it is, the other 4-mana Wraths are harder to cast (Kaya's Wrath) or have downsides like Shatter the Sky or Depopulate. Actual Wrath of God and Day of Judgment aren't in Pioneer.
@@Duall8 Shatter the Sky can also have upside in this deck.
@@NMS127 If you have Ulamog in play? Seems like winmore to me. Or Ulamog is bad if it can't win the game against aggro by itself given you could have cheated in virtually any creature.
Yeah, a less color-intensive wrath might be worth considering.
Needs 4 Thran Portal to cast Kellan more consistently. Card is slept on for 3 color decks in Pioneer. Basically a 3 sided pathway.
As soon as I saw Kellan Joins Up I thought the card should merge with the Reenact the Crime archetype in standard. I haven't tried it yet, but Kellan/Familiar paired with Reenact/Jewel+Vault should provide an insane amount of consistency with the added benefit of partially avoiding targeted graveyard hate
at 24:30 we put ourselves dead on board but they punted by not tapping down a creature with giant killer
I'm very confused by the fact that once you were on 1 and couldn't cast the Atraxa, that you kept her in hand instead of discarding her off Jace, which woulda let you cast her when Tibalt went ultimate
good point, though the singleton golden goose would let him cast it too if he drew it
Epic thumbnail on this vid 🎉
That win percentage. Nice.
I get so excited to hear the intro , and then its really sad :( . Love the content Seth, but please I need an AAAAGGAAINST THE ODDS TIME
If this had been a Crim deck, it would have been called “The plot: it’s thickems”
I know the ruling but I absolutely would have missed the skyclave token going to OP. Well played.
How did you get the Mystery Booster playtest card on Arena lol
I think Pick Your Poison is the first play test card to have its name get used on a real card.
It's tied with Red Herring, also printed in MKM.
This deck has single handedly got me interested in Explorer again
Was this in explorer? Deck tech said pioneer and he calls it out as pioneer multiple times. Was confused by this being on mtga if its pioneer.
I know Ulamog seems like such a big really good creature to put, but I just feel like something could be put at this place. Not sure what, but it felt dead a lot of the time except maybe the last game ?
The thumbnail is so wild lmao
I feel like gilded goose might be brtter in some number than a full playset of Llanowar elves. The food generation and mana of any color would have been huge in that slogfest with mono white
Seth I'm working on my Birgi Ignus Combo deck for Timeless, its quite fun and consistent. It mulligans really well, and its so satisfying to grapeshot or imact tremors somebody for 20.
Release to the wind could be good here if you can find room, works with both bramble familiar and valki
:D
I was happy that my fplth the lost on the range, threw me alot of cards...
Now i know i missed one big fact.
So gonna make a plot deck with the adeventure sites in mind now xD.
If you wanna have a higher chance of turboing out Jace or Kellan Joins Up wouldn't Goose be better to have a 4 off than running 8 elves? More consistently the right colors, though you do lose some long game.
10:15
No, Flaxen Intruder works with it. It's just not any good. It's three free bears.
why don't you run the pathway lands more? they enter untapped and you can choose the color you need.
I don't really like pathways in three color decks, I'd rather just play more "real" dual that always make multiple colors.
@@MTGGoldfish ok I was just wondering
I was just feeling that no don't do it, when you had the option to play the vein ripper and took the cards instead. 😅
at 27:20, why aren't we casting the life-linking 7/7?
He doesn't have a source of black mana other than mana confluence, which would kill him
Because it requires black mana, and Seth only has a Mana Confluence to generate it. It would kill him if he used that land.
Thanks
Better question is why he didn't loot it away to cast it at 30:00, lol.
one or two virtue of persistent could be good in this deck (as part of removal suit)
4:51 ah yes my favorite Gruul deck, the ones that are black and green. 😅
So usually when I see people try to get Tibalt into play, it's through Bring To Light. Is the plot version better?
I had the idea for a deck like this before the set released but it was waaaaay more all in. With a mana base of all early untapped lands to support it. I haven't played it because it's very wildcard intensive but looks like a good time and not as bad as I had originally conceived.
It doesn't look to have the peaks of your deck cheating Atraxa or Ulamog early but it aims to whiff way less often. Instead of having a deck more dedicated to Bramble Familiar and it's payoffs like your's, mine aims to be more consistent at hitting that turn 2/3 plot, even including blue leyline for a turn 2 flash Jace because why not if the deck is all in anyway.
It was really just an concept of "How can we abuse these Plot 3 or less cards?" and as I found out doing research the answer isn't great besides Valki. Bramble is decent but requires significant deck building commitment of additional payoffs. I went the other direction. Including more cards with a cheap, plottable front half, therefore making Bramble bad but making a card like "Release to the Wind" another enabler for the deck.
And to be clear I don't expect it what I've made to be good. Just an idea of "How far can I take this Jank concept?".
Kinda wish I could test my deck but alas. At least I can share my thoughts...and the list.
www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6400273#arena
(Sideboard is just examples of other potential cards that work with the plot cheat idea rather than a real sideboard.)
So I don't think I'm going to use this in Pioneer, way too expensive, but this might have just solved a Commander I was debating selling and was gonna be sad because while he's my first I've never done a lot with him due to not having the right stuff/knowing the typical stuff you do with him. I think with this combo though this could be what we've been looking for all this time.
Curious as to why no flicker of fate in the deck to flicker and retrigger Kellan joina in for more plotting?
I don't really think it's necessary. If we get a Tibalt or Ulamog we pretty much with with a single Kellan Joins Up.
Now this is pod racing
On the game 2 against golgari vampires rigging (first bo3), you could've just transformed valki into the hammerskull AFTER attacking and wouldn't get a stun counte
Isn't that what I did?
Yep, it was the case, sorry lol
i thought it was mildly bm to keep stylin on the opponent after getting the gg in game 5 but seth just didn't realize how big the team was lol
niceeee win rate
This deck is sick
Didn't Wizards have changed the rules so double-face card mana value was the sum of both costs?
Nah, that was for split cards, not double-face cards.
Split cards used to have three different costs (left side, right side, both sides) that you could choose from when a card asks for mana value. Now it's always the combined cost.
Waitaminute. Didn't they despark the big 5 walkers? Did they backtrack on that after the backlash?
They never confirmed whether or not Jace was desparked when that happened
For the Desparking stuff, it's been mostly inconsistent, we know Nissa lost hers, but like Chandra, Kaya, and Ajani kept theirs, Jace kept his, Vraska lost hers. It was less "the big 5 all got desparked" and more like "we desparked people at completely random."
leyline of anticipation can get around the jace restriction
Yeah, I tried it. It's funny when it works, but overall it's pretty inconsistent.
The humans game was really good
36:27 I wish we had the original emrakul on arena.
Not legal in Pioneer/Explorer anyway
Why not side in the Leyline against the red deck and vampires?
It's a counters deck with extra steps!
Wait is pioneer on arena?? I thought they only had explorer
I'm surprised you're not trying to abuse Leyline of Anticipation for a turn 2 Jace
He already has 8 unplayable bricks in the deck it’s probably not great to have another one, especially one that only helps with jace and doesn’t help any other part of the deck
this is a terrible combo that doesn't help at all. kellan joins up does the exact same thing on turn 2, and doesnt need some janky terrible 2 card combo that normally doesn't win the game bc u had to put 4 dead cards in ur deck for it to work.
26:50 You are desparate for lifegain and your opponent was so nice to give you a 3/2 life linker. Why you no exile with Tibalt????
Edit, and then you still don't play it when you ultimate Tibalt...
How are you playing pioneer on arena?
You should make an Open the Way Goldfish Thing
any chance to make deck with maskwood?
When you said Tibalt, I thought you meant Tibalt's Trickery.
47:00 You hurt yourself for 2 damage for doing the get lost before combat instead of during, letting them use the maps before attacks.
Why all the elves?
Does this work with cards plotted by the legendary homnuculs
Yep
Yeah, you can play a Valki or Bramble Familiar with Fblthp and then cast the other side the following turn.
You all know this interaction is going to have a rules change just like cascade had to be changed
unlikely
I lost to a tibalt like this and it was just dumb, I hope it changes
@@itze_simply run interaction
But discorlver didn't get changed
Pretty likely. It was pretty much same with Brain in the Jar that could cast split cards
hilariously during the final game seth's devotion to white was actually higher than his devotion to green, not that impacted much
this deck feels like it could be good
I think it's got a chance.
There is another adventure card that works with this interaction, but it just gives you 3 2/2’s
Is it the green one drop from Throne of Eldraine? I don't remember the name off the top of my head.
@@hyenal.k.3738 yeah
Flaxen Intruder, adventure is Welcome Home
Yeah, I considered that one, but I didn't feel like three 2/2's was impactful enough to make it worth it.
this deck is hilarious
Isn't the halfling better than the lanawar? Every relevant card is legendary.
Edit: NVM I thought it was historic.
Who plays with alchemy cards
@@lorei1556 halfling is from lotr, it's modern legal!
@@kaemonbonet4931 yes but historic = alchemy trash
Needs 4 copies of Thran Portal
What is twara?
4:12. Letting it rip.
It's by chair!
@@MTGGoldfish riiiiiiight 😂
You have a play test card in your sideboard?!?!!?!? The opening decklist shows that.
are you talking about pick your poison? a card from MKM which is legal in the format he is playing…?
@@domotoroOfficial there are 2 pick your poison, 1 is as you said, another is a playtest card shown 2:52
@@glitchyikes yeah? I think you should be able to figure out which one is actually in the deck, unless you’re truly missing something in your brain.
@@domotoroOfficial of course i know, it is you who doesn't know of the error
Stop making unbeatable decks!!! I’m only kidding. Every time I log on to Arena to try something like this out I’m immediately paired against someone with the same deck but with like 12 more mythics, lol.
It will be even better with esika
Did anyone else catch Seth say this was a Pioneer deck? 🤔
At this point I basically use Explorer and Pioneer interchangeably. I think they are close enough to being the same for it to work.
@@MTGGoldfish I'm glad you acknowledged it, I was curious if they had full pioneer on the client yet and I just missed something, lol
(Btw, there's a video on my channel called Karn's Caffeine Addiction. It's a Dynavolt Tower + Paradox Engine deck. I think you should check it out and try to improve upon my list, I think the deck is solid but could use some tweaking and I have faith in you to do that better than I did)
@@MTGGoldfishfair enough, I wasn't sure if full pioneer was on the client at this point or not so I was curious
Great thumbnail
You CAN NOT be salty about losing a game against mono-white against a greedy mana base. You literally taught zoomers about it a few weeks ago!!!
No fblthp? Lol
Wizards succedes in finding yet another way to break DFCs
the biggest problem w this deck is ur filling up 8 slots w completely dead draws, and jace is a dead draw turns 1-3. 12 cards, or roughly 20% of your deck, is completely worthless most of the game. def better than the leyline of anticipation bs, i still dont get how some people think that's good, but i dont see it being seriously good.
Deck needs manamorphose
BTW, it's re-con, and not ret-con :D . You got the aftermath analyst right now, let's not also mistake this card.
Oh sweet summer child
Plotting these multi-modal cards via the cheap side and then casting them for the expansive side is so busted. Seems like a design mistake.
Multiple cards on one card (split cards, adventures, DFC,etc) have long been known to have good interactions with ways to cast free spells. So at this point if it is a design mistake then they really don’t know their game.
@@gooob7548 Except they had to make a rule change to cascade because of it lol. It just shouldn't work that way at all or it *should* work that way but in all circumstances.
🤔
How does seth manages to get paired with so many terrible players?
First! 🎉
69 views 2 mins ago. Nice 👌
Do you have any idea how infuriating it is when you pronounce soft "A"s as hard "A"s and vice versa.
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Gotta love MTG's bugs and horrible coding, like letting the adventure of Bramble Familar be cast for free from plot... imagine being made by WOTC and still allowing stuff that isn't allowable in paper.
That isn’t a bug, this interaction works in paper
LOL
It works perfectly fine in paper. What are you on about.
@@zawarudo497 No it does not
@@christiandfeliodfelio3055 no, you’re just wrong about this, you can cast adventures and the backsides of MDFC’s of plotted cards for free, it isn’t an arena only thing, you could bring it to an in person tournament and it would work exactly the same
I can’t watch any more of this. At 23 minutes I have to face the fact that despite playing magic for much of his adult life, Seth is very bad. I know the deck is complicated and the video is just for fun, but it’s not for me, it’s just painful to watch. See ya ✌️.
Please explain to me what the mistake was
@@EmilFreiesleben-vp5hk there is always one dork who always comments this on every single MTGgoldfish video, probably just wanting to farm comments
Ur just mad he's better then u
@@EmilFreiesleben-vp5hk I think he's referring to Seth playing the new Tibalt without activating his first one, thus missing one activation. I picked up on it, too, but Seth isn't just playing; he's creating content at the same time. There's a lot going on, so he's going to miss things occasionally.
you must be fun at playgroups..