Thank you so much - this was very, very helpful and cool, thank you for your invaluable work. I repeated all the steps along with the author, and here I have two big questions: 1. WHY is it like this? no sound is recorded to the STEMS_ tracks except STEMS_Reverb. (Solved). When assigning Inputs in the mixer on auxes 65-70, the author chose these auxes themselves as input sources, i.e. shorted them to themselves. As a result, STEMS audio tracks did not record sound, even taking into account that these Auxes (65-69) are specified as outputs from instrumental groups (BUS1-6). That is, there was no sound recorded, unlike the author of the video. The only track that was recorded was STEMS_Reverb with the following routing (channel with reverb BUS33) -> (BUS70) -> Track STEMS_Reverb. When I chose group BUSes (1-6) as Inputs for AUXes (65-70) everything fell into place. And thinking about this topic led me to a next question: 2. WHY do I need all these unnecessary AUXes? After all, on STEMS_audio tracks you can simply select the outputs from the groups (BUS 1-7) as Input. Maybe all these intricacies with routing depend on the version of Logic ? I have LPX10.7.9
Secret trick about track icons and why I use them: if you hit command and double click on the track icon, it will open up the plugin. It keeps me from needing to keep the inspector column open. 🙏🏾
Hi Zack hello from Ireland great tutorial, templates have been the bane of my existence and it gets way too complicated with routing I really like the export part where the REVERB is on a different track thank you, I use EWQL SPACES and recently purchased SPACES 2 asked about reverb send and and the said the following If you are going to use it as a bussed out plugin/as a send (tracks send to the reverb track). Then you would not use any dry (because the dry signal you already get on the base track the only reason you'd use Dry is if you put it on the instrument track itself
THANK YOUUUUU!!! I've searched and watched so many videos on how to do templates and then I watch this? GAME CHANGER!! For me this is the most simplest explanation and I feel like I can accomplish it!! THANKS MAN!
Thanks for posting this, Zach. This has helped tremendously. It not only looks nice and clean, but it's flexible enough to add to, if needed. Great job.
Well Zach, looks like I have come late to the game, however the information you have provided has now enhanced my understanding of Logic. While I have not dabbled in orchestra composition yet, this information is gratefully appreciated. Had to watch the video twice to ingest everything, I'm sure I will be back for more views as a refresher. Your instruction style is top notch in my book. Thank You ! Yours in Logic Pro X Henry
Hey Zach, one question. What workflow would you apply if I wanted to print the reverb and effects directly to the main group stems and not as a separate track? I know one way would be to add those effect on the main busses, but that would require to add an instance on each one, so I could not share it between groups. I want to know if there is a workaround. Thank you :)
Maybe you can help me out. The absolute biggest hurdle with my composing journey has been delay compensation. In most of my libraries, there are substantially different delay times for staccatos vs. legatos vs. martaccos, etc. I've seen some composers go to the lengths of making individual instrument inserts for EACH articulation of every instrument. That sounds maddenning. I love the simplicity of this template. How do you get around instrument delays?
Thank you so much for this video, I wish I would have had this available when I first started setting up a template and I was starting out, it would have cleared up a lot of things I had to learn the hard way.
Is marker 21:55 Gain Staging? I didn't see the Pre-Fader icon enabled when this exercise was being done. This video is awesome!! It's crazy how Zach works so fast and efficient!!!!!!
Awesome video. I’m noticing Logic has a downfall with trying to bounce stems in that if you have your reverb on a send there is no way to easily include the reverb on the audio file. It has to be separate as you demonstrated. Is the only workaround to solo the summing stack and the reverb and export (rather than bounce) and repeat as needed for the different stacks?
Hi! I am so happy I found this video. However, my project doesn't do the things yours do, even if I follow the instructions carefully. It seems I can't get any sound from any of the instruments, once I have made a send to the bus 33. I tried doing it all over without enabling the patch merging. And then I just removed the fx and sends manually. This also led to the instruments losing sound. What should I do? I can't continue with your tutorial, since there is no sounds :(
Hey Zach, Thank You so much for Your Channel and the incredible content !!! I´m searching for a function in Logic to search for Tracks in big Templates. In Cubase there is the "Find Tracks" function, but I can't find this in Logic .... Any Idea ?
So these instruments arent already “pre-placed” where they belong in the stereo field? Someone told me the virtual instruments are already where they are supposed to be and to avoid any sort of panning because it makes it sound unnatural. Thoughts?
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Hi Zach, do you have another video about building a Logic Pro template using virtual instruments outside from Logic, like Kontakt? And if yes how do you do it? Chooisng Kontakt as the instrument and then choosing multi timbral 16 stereo? Thank you!
Hi Jim, people have different opinions about multi-timbral versus using one instance per track--I'm personally a fan of the latter, and make templates with Kontakt instruments the same way I did in this video (one instance per track). There's a slight increase in RAM usage doing it that way, but I've just found it easier when I need to edit instruments to click on the track itself instead of navigating to the multi-timbral output.
@@GoOKuSj33true, that is another way to sit. There's a lot of variants. I wrote my previous comment because he pointed at the wrong instruments when he said clarinet and oboe in this example. When they sit like this, the oboes are commonly next to the flutes (what the image showed).
What Zach says. It’s in View > Configure Channel Strip Components > Track Name. There you’ll see a drop down menu that lets you choose between 1, 2, or 3 lines.
You'll need to make sure that each stem you'd like with reverb has a separate reverb if you plan on using the Export Audio function, and route them to the same aux track 👍🏻
If you'd like reverb integrated into each stem, you'll need a separate reverb per stem group, and route each reverb to each Aux for recording. Shie Rozow has a nice visual chart to demonstrate that: shierozow.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Signal-Flow.jpg
After I'd set up all the Print tracks near the end of the video, when I played them separately the song sounded different, a lot quieter. Any idea why?
I have always liked how Logic seems to be very user friendly and versatile, but I'm a PC guy... anybody know of a PC based DAW that works similarly to Logic for a template like this?
can I ask when it comes to reverbs in the plugin the wet knob you have it at -10.0 is there a reason for that as I always thought reverbs on a send should be at 100 percent up on the wet stuff so you can bus it out to whatever and certain amounts.
Yes, that's correct--the Space Designer one is slightly different looking than most standard reverbs, with a separate wet/dry signal. The dry signal here is set to 0, so effectively the wet is 100% with a slight volume dip :)
One annoying thing I can't figure out about Track Stacks is how do I edit individual instruments within a stack? I was trying to solo an Oboe and yet when I click on the solo button, it solos the rest of the winds in the stack, even after I flatten the stack. I'm obviously missing something.
Hmm, I'd open up your Key Commands and make sure you're using the right "solo" option--there's a few! Also if you're using a multi-output Kontakt instance, that may play a factor in your channel routing. I'm one instance per track, to avoid that issue.
The copy and paste in original position key command plus the articulation ID 1 being the default articulation is some great info for me. Cheers dude! 👏
th-cam.com/video/_2oT2U1kwDs/w-d-xo.html selecting the tracks and pressing alt key when assigning the outputs to busses routes the tracks to ascending busses: e.g. track 1, 2, 3 output to Bus 3, 4, 5
@@ZachHeyde Zach, I am taking advantage of your kindness but are these on/off buttons used to preserve RAM in Logic? For example if you have a template with a lot of RAM used, will it help if you turn off some tracks to preserve RAM?
Are you ok for a little bit of critic here? skip the timer since it distracts from the topic. Also I am not sure if this task of creating it in a certain time frame will help people. Just make your point on telling what your workflow is without the whole youtube mambojumbo. It's not necessary at all :-) and you are too good for that
Hello ScoringStage! I believe the “timer” was to show that you can make a comprehensive template in less than an hour. I’m not sure how it distracts; I personally never looked at it during Zach’s presentation. I was focused on learning each section. PS: In what part of the presentation did you see “mumbo-jumbo”? Peace, Gianni❤
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I have not seen the video fully yet but I have to just say I love the whole feel of your channel, it feels so clean and laid back.
Thanks Liam, that means a lot! :)
Your Time and generosity are greatly appreciated!!! Great job!
Thank you so much - this was very, very helpful and cool, thank you for your invaluable work.
I repeated all the steps along with the author, and here I have two big questions:
1. WHY is it like this? no sound is recorded to the STEMS_ tracks except STEMS_Reverb. (Solved).
When assigning Inputs in the mixer on auxes 65-70, the author chose these auxes themselves as input sources, i.e. shorted them to themselves.
As a result, STEMS audio tracks did not record sound, even taking into account that these Auxes (65-69) are specified as outputs from instrumental groups (BUS1-6). That is, there was no sound recorded, unlike the author of the video. The only track that was recorded was STEMS_Reverb with the following routing (channel with reverb BUS33) -> (BUS70) -> Track STEMS_Reverb.
When I chose group BUSes (1-6) as Inputs for AUXes (65-70) everything fell into place. And thinking about this topic led me to a next question:
2. WHY do I need all these unnecessary AUXes?
After all, on STEMS_audio tracks you can simply select the outputs from the groups (BUS 1-7) as Input.
Maybe all these intricacies with routing depend on the version of Logic ? I have LPX10.7.9
This is sooo much premium content for free!!!
Thank you sooo much!!!!!!!!
You've got no idea how much I appreciate this
Thank you, Zach. My way of doing things is now where it belongs. In the past, you know.
Secret trick about track icons and why I use them: if you hit command and double click on the track icon, it will open up the plugin. It keeps me from needing to keep the inspector column open. 🙏🏾
That's an amazing tip, I didn't know about this - Thanks a lot!
Hi Zack hello from Ireland great tutorial, templates have been the bane of my existence and it gets way too complicated with routing I really like the export part where the REVERB is on a different track thank you, I use EWQL SPACES and recently purchased SPACES 2 asked about reverb send and and the said the following If you are going to use it as a bussed out plugin/as a send (tracks send to the reverb track). Then you would not use any dry (because the dry signal you already get on the base track
the only reason you'd use Dry is if you put it on the instrument track itself
THANK YOUUUUU!!! I've searched and watched so many videos on how to do templates and then I watch this? GAME CHANGER!! For me this is the most simplest explanation and I feel like I can accomplish it!! THANKS MAN!
So happy to hear that!! 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for posting this, Zach. This has helped tremendously. It not only looks nice and clean, but it's flexible enough to add to, if needed. Great job.
So glad to hear it!
This is nuts. I can't imagine how long it would have taken me to get this all done just fiddling and hoping.
That was a goldmine. I powered through so much stuff I didn't know yet in Logic. Thanks!
37 minutes has some really good tips on stem export. Didn't know that, thanks!
Dude, I can't believe you're just giving this information away for free! Gold.
Glad you've enjoyed it 😁
Well Zach, looks like I have come late to the game, however the information you have provided has now enhanced my understanding of Logic. While I have not dabbled in orchestra composition yet, this information is gratefully appreciated. Had to watch the video twice to ingest everything, I'm sure I will be back for more views as a refresher. Your instruction style is top notch in my book.
Thank You !
Yours in Logic Pro X
Henry
Amazing, the best orch template video explanation i have run into so far. Thank tou
Thank you Zach for this incredible tutorial!!!
The best lesson of all I have watched before.
Glad to hear it!
I'm so glad I'm using Studio One.
Hey Zach, one question. What workflow would you apply if I wanted to print the reverb and effects directly to the main group stems and not as a separate track? I know one way would be to add those effect on the main busses, but that would require to add an instance on each one, so I could not share it between groups. I want to know if there is a workaround. Thank you :)
Maybe you can help me out. The absolute biggest hurdle with my composing journey has been delay compensation. In most of my libraries, there are substantially different delay times for staccatos vs. legatos vs. martaccos, etc. I've seen some composers go to the lengths of making individual instrument inserts for EACH articulation of every instrument. That sounds maddenning. I love the simplicity of this template. How do you get around instrument delays?
Thanks for the great tutorial, Zach! Simple qnd straight forward! I love it!
I can not tell you how many hours and headaches this has saved me with the current TV show I am working on!
So glad to hear it!
This is what I’ve been looking for!
Gianni❤
Absolutely brilliant lesson, Zach! Thanks so much for putting the time into this and sharing it.
Very good organizational technique. This warrants a save for referencing. Good job!
Just the best on this subject, thank you!!. The navigational tips along the way put icing on the cake. Brilliant!
Thank you, much a obliged
Thank you Zach!
Thank you so much for this video, I wish I would have had this available when I first started setting up a template and I was starting out, it would have cleared up a lot of things I had to learn the hard way.
Late to this, but great work Zach.
Thanks Zach!
Wow there’s some incredible info in this video! Thanks so much Zach!!
awesome manh thanks so much this video helped a lot ..
Nice vídeo, Thanks for This 👏🏻👏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Wonderful video - extremely helpful. Thank you!
on the reverb section i cant see how you got the reverb bus on ther arrangement window as your vvideo is covering what your doing.
Dude you saved my butt with this tutorial
🙌🙌
Is marker 21:55 Gain Staging? I didn't see the Pre-Fader icon enabled when this exercise was being done. This video is awesome!! It's crazy how Zach works so fast and efficient!!!!!!
Good question--I suppose this is more mixing via gain than gain staging, though the principles are similar! Thanks for watching!
Fantastic video! Really helpful stuff! 🔥
Zach you are so cool. Thank you!
Awesome video. I’m noticing Logic has a downfall with trying to bounce stems in that if you have your reverb on a send there is no way to easily include the reverb on the audio file. It has to be separate as you demonstrated. Is the only workaround to solo the summing stack and the reverb and export (rather than bounce) and repeat as needed for the different stacks?
Hi! I am so happy I found this video. However, my project doesn't do the things yours do, even if I follow the instructions carefully. It seems I can't get any sound from any of the instruments, once I have made a send to the bus 33. I tried doing it all over without enabling the patch merging. And then I just removed the fx and sends manually. This also led to the instruments losing sound. What should I do? I can't continue with your tutorial, since there is no sounds :(
Dear Zach,
What version of Logic are you using and mac os? Thank you!
Amazing video. Thank you!
I've learned so much more than I even thought I would. 😭 Thank you so much!!!😭😭😭💖
Hey Zach, Thank You so much for Your Channel and the incredible content !!!
I´m searching for a function in Logic to search for Tracks in big Templates.
In Cubase there is the "Find Tracks" function, but I can't find this in Logic ....
Any Idea ?
Hi maybe I missed it I was distracted with my toddler LOL! What do you do for panning? Or do you not pan them
Nvm just heard it!
So these instruments arent already “pre-placed” where they belong in the stereo field? Someone told me the virtual instruments are already where they are supposed to be and to avoid any sort of panning because it makes it sound unnatural. Thoughts?
Accessible, understandable, detailed. Thanks!
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Hi Zach, do you have another video about building a Logic Pro template using virtual instruments outside from Logic, like Kontakt? And if yes how do you do it? Chooisng Kontakt as the instrument and then choosing multi timbral 16 stereo? Thank you!
Hi Jim, people have different opinions about multi-timbral versus using one instance per track--I'm personally a fan of the latter, and make templates with Kontakt instruments the same way I did in this video (one instance per track). There's a slight increase in RAM usage doing it that way, but I've just found it easier when I need to edit instruments to click on the track itself instead of navigating to the multi-timbral output.
Zach may I ask what the program is that surrounds your mouse, and has the zoom function? It is ingenious!
Great job
if I have a lot of 3rd party plugins like spitfire, my file opens slow any advice on that and have you experienced that too?
Just a note: Clarinets sit behind the flutes, the oboes sit next to them. 23:03
Not in all cases, in my city sometimes they sit all together in the same line.
@@GoOKuSj33true, that is another way to sit. There's a lot of variants. I wrote my previous comment because he pointed at the wrong instruments when he said clarinet and oboe in this example. When they sit like this, the oboes are commonly next to the flutes (what the image showed).
how did you get the purple text boxes??
Very very good
Logic Pro Template any%
In your mixer view, how did you get the track name tabs on the bottom to be larger?
I believe it's a setting in the View menu of the Mixer window
What Zach says. It’s in View > Configure Channel Strip Components > Track Name. There you’ll see a drop down menu that lets you choose between 1, 2, or 3 lines.
@@pop_polizei thank you for this
@@ZachHeyde thank you
That's great, thank you for this!!! Just one question though, if I want each stem to print with reverb, what would be the best approach then?
You'll need to make sure that each stem you'd like with reverb has a separate reverb if you plan on using the Export Audio function, and route them to the same aux track 👍🏻
@@ZachHeyde cool, thanks!!
Did I miss the part about routing the reverb to a stem for exporting?
40:40 :)
If you'd like reverb integrated into each stem, you'll need a separate reverb per stem group, and route each reverb to each Aux for recording. Shie Rozow has a nice visual chart to demonstrate that:
shierozow.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Signal-Flow.jpg
Oh, great. Thanks. Yeah, I'll be having a reverb for each group. Working on revising my template now before a delivery next week.
After I'd set up all the Print tracks near the end of the video, when I played them separately the song sounded different, a lot quieter. Any idea why?
Very useful. thx a lot ! 🙏🤝.
How do I make my orchestra sound full on Kontakt Komplete?
I am having mixing and mastering problems.
Ajudou demais. Thank you so much!
Do u have a pro tools template
I have always liked how Logic seems to be very user friendly and versatile, but I'm a PC guy... anybody know of a PC based DAW that works similarly to Logic for a template like this?
can I ask when it comes to reverbs in the plugin the wet knob you have it at -10.0 is there a reason for that as I always thought reverbs on a send should be at 100 percent up on the wet stuff so you can bus it out to whatever and certain amounts.
Yes, that's correct--the Space Designer one is slightly different looking than most standard reverbs, with a separate wet/dry signal. The dry signal here is set to 0, so effectively the wet is 100% with a slight volume dip :)
One annoying thing I can't figure out about Track Stacks is how do I edit individual instruments within a stack? I was trying to solo an Oboe and yet when I click on the solo button, it solos the rest of the winds in the stack, even after I flatten the stack. I'm obviously missing something.
Hmm, I'd open up your Key Commands and make sure you're using the right "solo" option--there's a few!
Also if you're using a multi-output Kontakt instance, that may play a factor in your channel routing. I'm one instance per track, to avoid that issue.
This is probably the third time I’ve watched this video 😅
What's the background track for this video??
Pieced a few together from Epidemic Sound :)
when I transpose Tube and Bassoon -12, all other instruments in the stack go -12 together. How do I fix it?
Check that you're using transpose in the Track settings section, not the Global/Default settings 👍🏻
@@ZachHeyde Thank you very much. It reveals how NEW I am on DAW 🙂
The copy and paste in original position key command plus the articulation ID 1 being the default articulation is some great info for me. Cheers dude! 👏
Glad to hear it, my pleasure!
23:20 Flutes are on the left, he made a mistake ?
th-cam.com/video/_2oT2U1kwDs/w-d-xo.html selecting the tracks and pressing alt key when assigning the outputs to busses routes the tracks to ascending busses: e.g. track 1, 2, 3 output to Bus 3, 4, 5
Dude I can't even audition all my sounds in 1 hour, and I don't have that many 😅
Zach any idea why my instrument tracks do not have the blue button next to the Mute button like yours have?
Thank you!
Try right clicking a track and selecting "Track Components"--you should be able to add the On/Off button from there!
@@ZachHeyde helpful as always! Thank you! It worked!
@@ZachHeyde Zach, I am taking advantage of your kindness but are these on/off buttons used to preserve RAM in Logic? For example if you have a template with a lot of RAM used, will it help if you turn off some tracks to preserve RAM?
I think your video answered my question! Yes, the on/off button can preserve memory!
Are you ok for a little bit of critic here? skip the timer since it distracts from the topic. Also I am not sure if this task of creating it in a certain time frame will help people. Just make your point on telling what your workflow is without the whole youtube mambojumbo. It's not necessary at all :-) and you are too good for that
Hello ScoringStage! I believe the “timer” was to show that you can make a comprehensive template in less than an hour.
I’m not sure how it distracts; I personally never looked at it during Zach’s presentation. I was focused on learning each section.
PS: In what part of the presentation did you see “mumbo-jumbo”?
Peace,
Gianni❤
This is excellent! Thanks so much.