Pretty much anything you try to do with microphones won't reduce the echo level. You have to damp the room. From the time delay I hear, the ceiling is indicated. Since you like you room white (rightly so, it looks great) try white fabric wrapped acoustical panels. And yes, you can build them yourself. For the walls above normal sight level (six feet), try white carpet. The deeper the pile, all things considered, usually the greater the absorption, but the emphasis has to be to damp the 'slap-back' from the ceiling. You don't need to spend a lot of money on expensive absorptive materials for a job like this. Rockwool or fibreglass batts (be sure to use a fabric over top to stop them raining dust and loose fibres on you) are cheap, lightweight, and easy to attach or suspend.
The echo will continue until you remove all of the flat surfaces and replace it with absorbent surfaces and baffles. Fill the corners with foam blocks and put down a really thick carpet on the floor or rubber flooring will work too. You can also make foam panels using home insulation and building a box around it. You can place these randomly throughout the room to absorb reflections. Essentially in front of you and behind you is where you get the most reflection. Think of sound like hitting a ping-pong ball as hard as you can from where you’re talking and watch it bounce around the room. Moving blankets on a background stand work really nicely right behind your camera and the mic should be hanging right above your head pointed at your face just out of the frame. Closer to your mouth the better for any mic.
I asked MULTIPLE times before during & after the Ride Across America = How about an Episode with Justin after the ride + share more background about him. All I heard was SILENCE. I'll try again, especially now that the long form WILD pod / video cast is a regular thing. Justin would be a PERFECT guest - topics = Background, Impressions & thoughts after the Ride and what is he up to now - Great Guy who was truly amazing . All those days riding with all sorts of adventures and NO Wrap-Up Video WITH Justin....................huge hole Cade Media🤔
The last Sony is the best sounding mic. Second is your usual Rhode. The long shotgun will be the best one when you find a way to plug it in. And the lavs were gain-clipping so you should judge them with proper gain to be fair! keep up the good work!
Ceiling mounted acoustic “cloud” panels will likely help. Better yet, consult with a local acoustics professional for advice. Some mics will pick up less reflections than others but until you deal with the hard, parallel surfaces that are playing ping-pong with sound in that space, even your best case scenario mic will still be a band-aid solution
I had similar clouds in an old office space, they worked really well and looked cool AF. I guess you could also knock up a rail and have a acoustic blanket and just move it around depending on the shot.
^^^ this....plus if you use audio mix software via an iPad or phone you can significantly decrease echo. Next time you go see a local band play in a small club or pub ask the soundman...really works.
Francis (and Jimmy,) I absolutely love the new upload schedule. Could never get enough of your channel, rewatching all the biketrips and bikefit videos in the meantime. And y'all basically uploading a video a day is amazing for my dopamine seeking brain. Though please make sure you don't burn yourselves out with this, the content is way too enjoyable for that.
I can really recommend one of those garden sprayers instead of the portable jet wash. They’re like five quid and just as good (actually better, they’re lighter, and have an attached bucket!) No need to use a battery too.
My favourite pairing on TH-cam! You two should do a channel not bike related. Just anything.. games, movies.. stuff you like outside of biking. I love cycling, but I find myself watching for you two enjoying things, than because it bike related.
To be honest, I never noticed any echo... I did manage to pick up a couple Tailfin top tube bags recently and I thanked them for supporting your channel. I would have never heard of them otherwise.
I've used the worx hydroshot for cleaning my mountain bike for years. Comes with a filter so you can even use a puddle or a lake, don't even need a bucket! Used normal drill Batteries too...
I use the Karcher portable cleaner for my bike. Great for putting in the boot of the car and take a couple of 2L bottles of water to fill it when you are ready to use it. Not powerful at all, but for bike cleaning, it is good since it is gentle. Uses hardly any water. I think the mic you used whilst introducing each mic that you were testing worked better than the test mics. I didn't like any of the sennheiser ones you had. I think the Sony one was also OK but not worth switching for.
You need acoustic foam/pannels on the walls, I don't think there is a way around it really. Also I heard something about some kind of sound plugins which help with that issue - they are used in professional radio studios. Maybe worth googling that. Even when I had fancy ass professional sound recorder I had to record sound surrounded by pillows or record sitting in the wardrobe among clothing to get an okay sound.
Thanks for the fun mailbox edition. Mobile pressure washers are available at lower prices. Some of those are made my tool manufacturers in their "family" of tools like drills and such. I like the bucket interface for water suppy. I also commented elsewhere about ways to reduce room echo via software...however nothing beats acousic dampening...especially in a fixed studio. Note that most onboard camera audio controls are fairly limited if one is looking for "perfect" audio.
You guys should really look at sound-panels. The acoustic treatment on the ceilings is not enough to get rid of the echo. Adding furniture and rugs mostly help, but in a space like this that's not an obvious fix, sound-panels are. There are companies out there that treat spaces like yours and it's a gamechanger.
I think the sound in your videos provides contextual information to the viewer relative to what is happening ATM you are filming. Quite simply, this brings us deeper into your world and is more connected or intimate than when filming a set piece or in a specific style for drama, excitement, speed, etc. In other words, I like to hear what you are hearing when you are reporting or sharing information with us in the informal style that you two use rather effectively. I would think that "style" is what drives views and subscriptions rather than a studio quality soundstage.
Your existing mic sounded the best to me, but apparently I don't hear everything though my system because I quite often don't hear background music that others complain about.
I would like to try the new Zwift play controllers, but I live in Australia, just one of the many countries that Zwift does not ship their Zwift shop products to. Only people in the USA/UK and some EU countries can buy from them directly.
the sony clip on is deffo the nicest sounding imo, the rode is 2nd, jimmy is right tho the rode lavs are sound good too have you tried a fluffy attached? i think the rode lavs are great in small spaces
With lav mics you have to point them down as they have an Omnidirectional patten trust me as I work on live TV all the time. What you want is a Sony ecm 77b
The Sony mic sounded best, as long as you don't need the hotshoe for an external flash. The longer Sennheiser will be too directional for your studio (the longer a mic is, the more off axis rejection). Vicoustic make some great value acoustic panels that come in white and would suit your studio, eg the Wavewood Ultra Lite. They might be keen to sponsor your channel.
Love your videos, I’ve been shooting commercials and weddings for a while and audio is always a pain. The big step up would be to sync sound so get a Zoom recorder and a good boom/shotgun mic with a stand and that will be great for the studio. You could use that sensheisser long shotgun in the studio and then use the shock mount when your in the field so the audio quality remains the same and use that indoors with the right XLR plugged into the zoom recorder.
Try hanging egg cartons on the walls and ceiling. If they’re ugly, I suppose you can cover them with thin cloth. Also, if you hang a board and make it non-parallel to the walls, it might help.
Sony sounded best, although the echo is a byproduct of the rooms reflections (as you would know!) so don’t know how far down a mic rabbit hole you should go. Keep up the awesome content!
Barrel mike sounds really good. Clip ons will need a compressor/limiter processor to make them sound good. And maybe an eq, due to generational loss and gain peak distortion. But worth it for mobility
I don’t think you problem is echo it’s reverb. You need to acoustically treat the room to deaden the sound reflections using sound absorbing materials.
Give your Rode Wireless Go 2 mics a try, but ditch the Lav Mics and just use the onboard mics with the fluffys attached. You'll want to set the gain on the Receiver to -15dB if you're plugging into a Sony A7S3. You get what you pay for with Lav mics and if you're using the Rode Lavalier Go Mics they do sound a little muddy and not crisp. Or at least that's my experience / opinion. As you both tend to wear T-shirts, attaching the Wireless Go 2 Transmitters can be a little too close to the neck. Rode sell a MagClip Go, which will magnetically attach through your t-shirts allowing you to move the mics slightly further away from your faces. With regards to Shotgun mics, none of them are going to be able to cut down reverberation on their own. You either have to get the microphone physically closer to you or you need to add attenuation to the room (sound blankets, acoustic panels etc). A thick curtain down one side of the room will make a drastic difference. The Sennheiser MKE600 Shotgun Mic comes with a 3.5mm TRS (Tip, Ring, Shield) jack to XLR cable to connect to cameras and audio recorders. But it needs Phantom powering from the camera/recorder or via an internal AA battery to work. Some (not Apple) smartphones use a 3.5mm TRRS (Tip, Ring, Ring, Shield) Jack.
The 2nd mic sounded great. The lav needed a simple gain adjustment as you alluded to, and with that I think you would have found that that would have been the best for while you’re riding.
More Emily!!! Not only is she super cute, I love her energy and that she's just awesome 👍🏻!!! Jimmy, you're a very lucky man!!! Love and respect the work you guys are doing! Cheers
Not really sure what you're set up is with regards to acoustic damping or what mikes etc but Al from @theskidfactory clips his lav mike onto the side of his cap and it generally seems to work really well... apparently he had some issues with how the sounded and that was the best solution for their setup.
IMO the sound in your videos is good. Not sure about the other viewers, but I like this kind of "natural sound of the room" more than some overly "post-produced" sound (i.e. close mics with tons of compression / auto gain or software noise removal). But I can understand your GAS 🙂
Having expensive microphones won't solve echo issues, knowing how to position mics would. I would look into positioning mics off camera (overhead slightly Infront and just out of frame)
Hey guys, What lenses do you use on your rides for photos and videos? I have a A6400 and wsa looking into something kinda univerasl to connect my photo hobby with the bike rides :)
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I loved hearing Emily's violent inclinations when riding on a turbo
Mailbox monday on Sunday !! Never change
Pretty much anything you try to do with microphones won't reduce the echo level. You have to damp the room. From the time delay I hear, the ceiling is indicated. Since you like you room white (rightly so, it looks great) try white fabric wrapped acoustical panels. And yes, you can build them yourself. For the walls above normal sight level (six feet), try white carpet. The deeper the pile, all things considered, usually the greater the absorption, but the emphasis has to be to damp the 'slap-back' from the ceiling.
You don't need to spend a lot of money on expensive absorptive materials for a job like this. Rockwool or fibreglass batts (be sure to use a fabric over top to stop them raining dust and loose fibres on you) are cheap, lightweight, and easy to attach or suspend.
Agreed here. I assume that warehouse space has a high ceiling. So, they can hang those fabrics down from the ceiling.
The echo will continue until you remove all of the flat surfaces and replace it with absorbent surfaces and baffles. Fill the corners with foam blocks and put down a really thick carpet on the floor or rubber flooring will work too. You can also make foam panels using home insulation and building a box around it. You can place these randomly throughout the room to absorb reflections. Essentially in front of you and behind you is where you get the most reflection. Think of sound like hitting a ping-pong ball as hard as you can from where you’re talking and watch it bounce around the room. Moving blankets on a background stand work really nicely right behind your camera and the mic should be hanging right above your head pointed at your face just out of the frame. Closer to your mouth the better for any mic.
I asked MULTIPLE times before during & after the Ride Across America = How about an Episode with Justin after the ride + share more background about him. All I heard was SILENCE. I'll try again, especially now that the long form WILD pod / video cast is a regular thing.
Justin would be a PERFECT guest - topics = Background, Impressions & thoughts after the Ride and what is he up to now - Great Guy who was truly amazing .
All those days riding with all sorts of adventures and NO Wrap-Up Video WITH Justin....................huge hole Cade Media🤔
The last Sony is the best sounding mic. Second is your usual Rhode. The long shotgun will be the best one when you find a way to plug it in. And the lavs were gain-clipping so you should judge them with proper gain to be fair! keep up the good work!
Yeah, and I was thinking that the journalist shotgun needs phantom power.
I love how confident Jimmy is in saying monday the fifth of july 🤣
Ffs Jimmi
yeah, made me doublecheck 😅
@@emilychilds8085 indeed - your _Attacus_ Jimmi is distracted by _Media_ Jimmi
The last Mic 🎤 you plug 🔌 is better than the rest..... Francis 👌
Ceiling mounted acoustic “cloud” panels will likely help. Better yet, consult with a local acoustics professional for advice. Some mics will pick up less reflections than others but until you deal with the hard, parallel surfaces that are playing ping-pong with sound in that space, even your best case scenario mic will still be a band-aid solution
I had similar clouds in an old office space, they worked really well and looked cool AF. I guess you could also knock up a rail and have a acoustic blanket and just move it around depending on the shot.
Yes very good idear baffels
Think about fixing the echo at source.... acoustic panels: they really work well! Can be move-able so you just have them out when you're filming.
^^^ this....plus if you use audio mix software via an iPad or phone you can significantly decrease echo. Next time you go see a local band play in a small club or pub ask the soundman...really works.
Francis (and Jimmy,) I absolutely love the new upload schedule. Could never get enough of your channel, rewatching all the biketrips and bikefit videos in the meantime. And y'all basically uploading a video a day is amazing for my dopamine seeking brain. Though please make sure you don't burn yourselves out with this, the content is way too enjoyable for that.
GIK Acoustics. Call them and your echo problems are solved. A shotgun mic isn't going to get the job done. Sorry boys.
Second that. GIK acoustics will sort the room out.
I can really recommend one of those garden sprayers instead of the portable jet wash. They’re like five quid and just as good (actually better, they’re lighter, and have an attached bucket!) No need to use a battery too.
My favourite pairing on TH-cam!
You two should do a channel not bike related. Just anything.. games, movies.. stuff you like outside of biking. I love cycling, but I find myself watching for you two enjoying things, than because it bike related.
To be honest, I never noticed any echo... I did manage to pick up a couple Tailfin top tube bags recently and I thanked them for supporting your channel. I would have never heard of them otherwise.
I like the current echo! Makes the video feel more hands on! 😀
The price is outrageous for that Zwift controller!
Just put some sound baffles in the studio. Will sound way better. Best option is to DIY them.
Fully agree, and there's huge amounts on the web as to how to build them.
I've used the worx hydroshot for cleaning my mountain bike for years. Comes with a filter so you can even use a puddle or a lake, don't even need a bucket! Used normal drill Batteries too...
I think your current Rode mic sounds the best out of the options you had here 👍
yeah they all sucked. Lower the ceiling with a soft curtain and some foam blocks on the walls should help.
I like the echo, it doesn't distract and the sound reflects the environment I'm watching.
I use the Karcher portable cleaner for my bike. Great for putting in the boot of the car and take a couple of 2L bottles of water to fill it when you are ready to use it. Not powerful at all, but for bike cleaning, it is good since it is gentle. Uses hardly any water.
I think the mic you used whilst introducing each mic that you were testing worked better than the test mics. I didn't like any of the sennheiser ones you had. I think the Sony one was also OK but not worth switching for.
The audio you have set up for the podcast is amazing just putting that out there 👍🏻
The Worx washer is similar but you can use the batteries for drills etc too. Cheap n cheerful.
Mic’s and bikes, not the crossover I was expecting, but one I liked! I’ve got a few audio recommendations that should help with the room reverb.
You need acoustic foam/pannels on the walls, I don't think there is a way around it really. Also I heard something about some kind of sound plugins which help with that issue - they are used in professional radio studios. Maybe worth googling that. Even when I had fancy ass professional sound recorder I had to record sound surrounded by pillows or record sitting in the wardrobe among clothing to get an okay sound.
Thanks for the fun mailbox edition. Mobile pressure washers are available at lower prices. Some of those are made my tool manufacturers in their "family" of tools like drills and such. I like the bucket interface for water suppy. I also commented elsewhere about ways to reduce room echo via software...however nothing beats acousic dampening...especially in a fixed studio. Note that most onboard camera audio controls are fairly limited if one is looking for "perfect" audio.
You guys should really look at sound-panels. The acoustic treatment on the ceilings is not enough to get rid of the echo. Adding furniture and rugs mostly help, but in a space like this that's not an obvious fix, sound-panels are. There are companies out there that treat spaces like yours and it's a gamechanger.
I think the sound in your videos provides contextual information to the viewer relative to what is happening ATM you are filming. Quite simply, this brings us deeper into your world and is more connected or intimate than when filming a set piece or in a specific style for drama, excitement, speed, etc. In other words, I like to hear what you are hearing when you are reporting or sharing information with us in the informal style that you two use rather effectively. I would think that "style" is what drives views and subscriptions rather than a studio quality soundstage.
Add a bunch of the Elgato sound dampening in the roof. Should work!
Your existing mic sounded the best to me, but apparently I don't hear everything though my system because I quite often don't hear background music that others complain about.
I tihnk when they had just the onboard mic going was the best
Emileeh! Good to see you, dear! Manage those boyz!!
I think the original mic sounded great and didn’t echo.
I don't really notice the issue with echo. The best microphone you used is the onboard one. Keep up the great work!
You really should judge the lavs with proper gain settings. It’s obviously clipping at the source.
I would like to try the new Zwift play controllers, but I live in Australia, just one of the many countries that Zwift does not ship their Zwift shop products to. Only people in the USA/UK and some EU countries can buy from them directly.
the sony clip on is deffo the nicest sounding imo, the rode is 2nd, jimmy is right tho the rode lavs are sound good too have you tried a fluffy attached? i think the rode lavs are great in small spaces
I saw on another channel that there is a game too. You have to get to a specific road or area where it is. I think it was on GPLama (?).
With lav mics you have to point them down as they have an Omnidirectional patten trust me as I work on live TV all the time. What you want is a Sony ecm 77b
The Sony mic sounded best, as long as you don't need the hotshoe for an external flash. The longer Sennheiser will be too directional for your studio (the longer a mic is, the more off axis rejection). Vicoustic make some great value acoustic panels that come in white and would suit your studio, eg the Wavewood Ultra Lite. They might be keen to sponsor your channel.
Sony hotshoe sounded good. Ecmdashb1m
For portable bike washing either in a place like that or after a trail ride I love the Bosch Fontus. Big tank and not too powerful plus decent battery
Your declaration that this is mailbox Monday gave me quite the scare that I was VERY late for work.
Love your videos, I’ve been shooting commercials and weddings for a while and audio is always a pain. The big step up would be to sync sound so get a Zoom recorder and a good boom/shotgun mic with a stand and that will be great for the studio. You could use that sensheisser long shotgun in the studio and then use the shock mount when your in the field so the audio quality remains the same and use that indoors with the right XLR plugged into the zoom recorder.
Try hanging egg cartons on the walls and ceiling. If they’re ugly, I suppose you can cover them with thin cloth. Also, if you hang a board and make it non-parallel to the walls, it might help.
Sorry, but no. I'm an audio tech, I base my opinion on decades of experience. There are simple fixes, egg cartons aren't one.
Perhaps string a net below the ceiling with some lift felt or fleece material on top. That should do the trick!
I learned that in the UK time zone July 5 is a Monday.
Sony sounded best, although the echo is a byproduct of the rooms reflections (as you would know!) so don’t know how far down a mic rabbit hole you should go. Keep up the awesome content!
Barrel mike sounds really good. Clip ons will need a compressor/limiter processor to make them sound good. And maybe an eq, due to generational loss and gain peak distortion. But worth it for mobility
Francis I think you should invest in some days of the week socks and then wear them on all the wrong days 😂
You need a Bosch Fontus for bike washing, brilliant piece of kit
Emily was 100% correct. No wheelie or steal button, no sale!
I don’t think you problem is echo it’s reverb. You need to acoustically treat the room to deaden the sound reflections using sound absorbing materials.
Doing some gorilla marketing today, staying in a Airbnb with You Tube on the TV. So put Cade videos on repeat!
Is it just me or did the "no mic plugged in" sound best? Until maybe the last sony?
Give your Rode Wireless Go 2 mics a try, but ditch the Lav Mics and just use the onboard mics with the fluffys attached. You'll want to set the gain on the Receiver to -15dB if you're plugging into a Sony A7S3. You get what you pay for with Lav mics and if you're using the Rode Lavalier Go Mics they do sound a little muddy and not crisp. Or at least that's my experience / opinion. As you both tend to wear T-shirts, attaching the Wireless Go 2 Transmitters can be a little too close to the neck. Rode sell a MagClip Go, which will magnetically attach through your t-shirts allowing you to move the mics slightly further away from your faces.
With regards to Shotgun mics, none of them are going to be able to cut down reverberation on their own. You either have to get the microphone physically closer to you or you need to add attenuation to the room (sound blankets, acoustic panels etc). A thick curtain down one side of the room will make a drastic difference.
The Sennheiser MKE600 Shotgun Mic comes with a 3.5mm TRS (Tip, Ring, Shield) jack to XLR cable to connect to cameras and audio recorders. But it needs Phantom powering from the camera/recorder or via an internal AA battery to work. Some (not Apple) smartphones use a 3.5mm TRRS (Tip, Ring, Ring, Shield) Jack.
GIK acoustics are who you want to use to sort the echo. You may just need a basic single mic when the room is sorted.
The 2nd mic sounded great. The lav needed a simple gain adjustment as you alluded to, and with that I think you would have found that that would have been the best for while you’re riding.
I don’t hear any echo watching from on an iPhone from the default mic. Maybe the annoying echo you hear is just the room’s reverb.
Some useful kit there..👍I’m hoping at some point in the future you could do some testing on brakes, disc and pads in particular..
Try out a Worx cordless jet washer, cheaper and far better👍
I use ryobis powerhose it’s so good and fully portable. Lots of different connector options and longer battery life
Get some acoustic panels for the studio. Mics quality can help, but it's not really addressing the route cause.
2:01 At one time they were stealing bikes from here……….now they’re cleaning bikes from there!
Definitely the last mic. Between the ease of use and quality. I don't think you can go wrong with it
Nothing wrong with the original Røde microphone in my opinion.
More Emily!!! Not only is she super cute, I love her energy and that she's just awesome 👍🏻!!! Jimmy, you're a very lucky man!!! Love and respect the work you guys are doing! Cheers
Love every show please keep up the great work Francis & Jimmy !
Not really sure what you're set up is with regards to acoustic damping or what mikes etc but Al from @theskidfactory clips his lav mike onto the side of his cap and it generally seems to work really well... apparently he had some issues with how the sounded and that was the best solution for their setup.
IMO the sound in your videos is good. Not sure about the other viewers, but I like this kind of "natural sound of the room" more than some overly "post-produced" sound (i.e. close mics with tons of compression / auto gain or software noise removal). But I can understand your GAS 🙂
The echo isn't that bad. It provides a bit of context to where you are. Not everything needs to sound like a music recording studio...
Try bass traps in the corners for the echo.
Portable jet wash currently in lidl middle isle for way way less than that.
All really smart looking jerseys.
Mailbox Monday on a Sunday!
It’s not “preorder” if the jersey’s aren’t going to be generally available in the future. It’s just “order”
I want the Attucus kit in Zwift…what’s the kit code?
Having expensive microphones won't solve echo issues, knowing how to position mics would. I would look into positioning mics off camera (overhead slightly Infront and just out of frame)
Microphone wise, I'd rate the last Sony as better than your current one, but the current one is better than all the Seinnheiser.
I literally said “oh no” when you went to the lav 😂
The Sony does sound good
Francis, what Sony mirrorless and lens are you using for the studio shots these days? Cheers. 👍🏻
Jury's out until you test the expensive mic. They were all different, but none eliminated echo.
The echo is coming off your desk, not the ceiling.
Time delay is too long. It's the ceiling.
SONY microphone sounded the best. Sennheiser wireless lavs eliminated the echo, but sounded unnatural.
What happened to the reform saddle? Did it get tested or was it just that one video that I can't find 🤔
Ryobi have a very similar pressure washer that is waaaaaaaaaay cheaper and does exactly the same thing...
Hey guys, What lenses do you use on your rides for photos and videos? I have a A6400 and wsa looking into something kinda univerasl to connect my photo hobby with the bike rides :)
I've seen one of those portable pressure washers before, except I remember it being a bit more powerful than this one looks
You need my son. He is a chartered acoustic engineer. He would fix your echo.
I thought the last microphone sounded the best
11:18 Since when have smartphones had audio jacks? #Bluetooth
Nvidia broadcast (uses a videocard) has echo cancelation in it.. it works well..
that hoto pressure washer way to exspensive for what it is ive got the lidl version of that and that costed me 59 euro excluded the battery.
I wonder how that Hoto would compare to the Ryobi power washer?
Wonder if that first one needed phantom power
what is that portable inflator you used before the zwift segment?
how is attacus not linked in the video description?
Nice one lads 😀🇮🇪
Just put your mic a little closer and you won't hear much echo.
They do those for caravans.