Growing Plants in Leca 101 | Pros & Cons of Leca | How to Transfer Plants to Leca

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  • #leca101 #lecahowto #transferplantstoleca
    Today, I show you how I transfer plants into leca, including the prep work prior to the transfer and the care afterwards. Once plants are acclimated to the leca medium (aka semi hydroponics), it is important to provide nutrients for the plant to thrive since leca is an inorganic medium. I've included links down below for the leca balls and semi hydro nutrients that I use. Hope you found some tips and tricks on growing your houseplants in leca in this video and try it out for yourself!
    If you liked today's video, make sure to subscribe to my channel for more planty videos and I'll see you in the next one! Thanks for watching :D.
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  • @StingraySteve
    @StingraySteve 3 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    I had a little meeting with all my plants and they voted no on the leca ball transfer amendment (LOL) . But thankyou for sharing all your experience using them. Its good to know about these strange balls other people have ha ha !

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      LOL I'm sure if I asked my plants they probably wouldnt want to go through the leca transition either and be stressed..but I just couldn't keep up with the plantcare and upkeep so leca has been a lot less work for me!

    • @suzettebouleyistre9147
      @suzettebouleyistre9147 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I just learned a lot about leca . Thanks so much for sharing all the information.

    • @serenitygardenaviary
      @serenitygardenaviary ปีที่แล้ว

      @Stingray Steve lol, my garden was on the same rejection plan but a bit tired of the root rot saga. Will transfer corn plant /Dracaena today into clay balls /leca.
      Question: do you have a Stingray Alocasia? Would be great for your profile.

  • @andriasinde6796
    @andriasinde6796 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I can’t wait to switch over. I’m having the hardest time keeping my my succulents happy in soil . This seems so much better to me !

  • @saulsaul467
    @saulsaul467 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your Plants are Drop Dead Gorgeous

  • @michaelibk418
    @michaelibk418 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am 50 and I remember when I was a child Leca was all over my friends houses with plants. It was absolutely common. I really don't get the hype during the last years about Leca. Maybe its like fashion everything comes back;-)

  • @akayeee
    @akayeee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I keep coming back to this video because it’s seriously so helpful as a beginner to Leca!

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful! thanks for watching!

  • @gsm7983
    @gsm7983 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've watched and listened to lots of ppl explain this process. You did it best. Thank you for sharing., Marta

  • @bridget.esther
    @bridget.esther 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    i’m thinking about switching to leca because i’m tired of getting fungus gnats! (and don’t wanna get other pests either) i’m gonna start off with my propagations so they have an easier time transitioning. if it works well, i’ll try with my pest-prone plants. for my bigger and older plants, i’ll keep it in the soil, but top them off with leca. the one thing im scared of messing up is the nutrient part, but either way, im excited to try this!!

  • @nurias4962
    @nurias4962 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Omg thanks for changing the background. The last one made me so claustrophobic.

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Glad I found a space where there’s good lighting and a cleaning background! Had to move some stuff around LOl

    • @nurias4962
      @nurias4962 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GloriasPlants it looks great!

  • @Bexsar92
    @Bexsar92 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I just transfered three of my plants to leca. So scary, but hopefully they won't all die. This is my trial run. Great and very informative video.

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thanks for watching! hope your plants do well in semi hydro

    • @sirvartartinian5944
      @sirvartartinian5944 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      how are you plants doing now ?

  • @zoiscozii9818
    @zoiscozii9818 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was thinking of switching over to Leca when I found your channel! Thanks the info! Definitely gona test this out on a few plants! 🙏🏽

  • @michellecastro2475
    @michellecastro2475 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love how you explain everything. I'm going to try this.

  • @marysunshine389
    @marysunshine389 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    so much good information. For most filtering systems using a carbon filter, it takes 5 gallons of water to make 1 gallon of filtered water so you might be using up the money saved from buying water and adding it to your water bill. For 1.29 gal I found it a money saver to buy water.

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ah good to know. i never really calculated based on cost but I use a brita filter if that makes a difference.

    • @marysunshine389
      @marysunshine389 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately I don’t have any information for a Brita. I was really surprised when I found out my reverse osmosis tank and wanted to share.

    • @MrGeemonty
      @MrGeemonty 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marysunshine389 Reverse osmosis wastes water because of how it works, it also consumes electricity. Carbon filters, like the Brita that Gloria is using, are passive systems so don't require any electricity and all the water you put into it you get out, there is no waste water. The only thing required is changing the filter as needed.
      If you have city water the only thing you really need removed is chlorine, which the Brita filter should do with no problem. You should be able to get a water report from your city to see whats in it. This is helpful for adjusting your nutrient solution.

  • @Sunshinenyc2
    @Sunshinenyc2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you so much for the simple version... whew that was a lot of info...but I'm glad you did it 😄 thanks again based on this video I subscribed 😀

  • @DonnaDenim
    @DonnaDenim 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Pon is more forgiving with soil roots, for me. It was also hard to find this year in Canada, but they’ve restocked on the main site. Like another commenter, you have revived my love for Leca. Great, honest video!

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching! Yah I wanted to try pon but now that I still have some leca I don’t want to waste it and buy another medium 😥. Will one day try it though!

    • @ThePlantedCarlyflower
      @ThePlantedCarlyflower 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I love PON too. All my Hoyas are in either a diy PON mix or in leca. It all works really well for me.

    • @YellowPineappleHoyas
      @YellowPineappleHoyas 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I also live in Canada and just got two small Hoyas in a tiny cup of leca and no clue where to get more leca at an affordable rate. Where have you found Pon? And do you use it like soil?

    • @DonnaDenim
      @DonnaDenim 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Liza Butcher I bought pon online at lechuza but they were sold out last I looked. I’ve been buying a mix from Kim’s until the pon is back. I have some plants in self watering but some are treated like they are in soil. Leca on Amazon wasn’t too bad a price, and I think ikea sells too.

    • @suellendupuis4627
      @suellendupuis4627 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@YellowPineappleHoyas I live in Eastern Canada.
      I found leca at Halifax seeds and at a great price.
      An extra large bag for 34.00.

  • @makinMYway75
    @makinMYway75 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Omg thank u I never switch to leca because everyone made it look like chemistry class so I decided not to do it, but you definitely made it much more understandable n right uo my lazy alley lol so ill try it

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hope it goes well for you! There’s a lot of trial and error in the beginning but it’s worth it in the end!

    • @mekhibeckett7847
      @mekhibeckett7847 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      instaBlaster...

  • @Kratkymethod
    @Kratkymethod 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    glad i found this content very well explained

  • @glennfabian
    @glennfabian 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good video. Thank you.

  • @Joey-vw1id
    @Joey-vw1id 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hello my name is joe and I just watched the new episode of crazy plant guy and I saw your channel on the video and I liked your attitude towards plants and you seem knowledgeable about plants and I thought that I would subscribe to your channel to see what you know that I don't..
    I'm sure I'll love your channel!!
    Happy holidays and happy new year too!!
    Your new plant friend,
    Joe......

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the support! Happy to always make new plant friends. Hope you enjoy my videos 😊.

  • @plan8plants418
    @plan8plants418 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I use both pon and leca (separately). Personally I don't notice any significant difference between the two in terms of growth. For small cuttings I prefer pon as it's smaller and heavier so that I don't knock small pots as easily. For large established plants that are already in soil I usually let them be.

  • @ThePlantedCarlyflower
    @ThePlantedCarlyflower 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’m so glad I found you! I’ve been feeling so “bleh” with my leca lately and this totally revived my excitement for it. 😁😁

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So happy to hear! I think semi hydro in general needs more love! So much easier to work with once you get the hang of it compared to soil!

    • @ThePlantedCarlyflower
      @ThePlantedCarlyflower 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GloriasPlants agreed. I’m having some issues with my Hoyas in leca that I haven’t had before. I’m sure it’s a winter thing or something. The leaves keep getting floppy. Then hard. Then floppy. No idea. This is my first winter in semi hydro and I am trying to ride it out and learn vs panicking and going back to soil. 😂😂😂 roots look good so I’m using that as my motivation to keep going.

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ya winter is no fun 😫😫 plants always throwing tantrums!

    • @KillThisPlant
      @KillThisPlant 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm going through my first winter with leca. Do you use a lower concentration of your fertilizer in the off season?

    • @neonice
      @neonice 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ThePlantedCarlyflower Try adding some gold nectar aka. Fulvic acids by general hydroponics to the nutrient solution, it's like magic in fixing all sorts of problems.

  • @Joey-vw1id
    @Joey-vw1id 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you 😊

  • @plant_hooker1
    @plant_hooker1 ปีที่แล้ว

    ❤ nice

  • @leaflovelaughwmissy2334
    @leaflovelaughwmissy2334 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So helpful! Gonna try it with a syngonium first but I think I’m sold on leca.

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You should def try! it's great

    • @HappiCamper
      @HappiCamper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have a syngonium in pumice and water. It's so happy!

  • @nikolarossova3932
    @nikolarossova3932 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    BREATHE! 😂 you are constantly without breath it’s okay we will wait for what you are about to say

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      haha i know i always forget to just pause and speak way too fast!!!

  • @okdubunf
    @okdubunf ปีที่แล้ว

    i just ordered some starter plants. any tips for starting plants in leca? (pothos, zz, and philodendron)

  • @jackieliu1232
    @jackieliu1232 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    where do you buy your leca/saucers? They look great

  • @veronicaglover5693
    @veronicaglover5693 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for explaining, maybe it you could show the entire process as you explain it would be helpful :)

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i don't have any more plants to transfer into leca since i transferred most of them (if not all) already. I wanted to try out the process and tweak it here and there before i make an informative video to help my viewers! if i get more plants in the future will definitely do an updated version! thanks for watching

  • @mayarada2059
    @mayarada2059 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Proud of you by being look cute and just remind me my Daughter

  • @ginasmitten7836
    @ginasmitten7836 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I change the water does it have to always have the fertilizer in it or are u only supposed to fertilize it like once a month?

  • @billyplant4064
    @billyplant4064 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Gloria, do I need to wait for the water reservoir to completely dry off before topping it or should I do it on a regular bases like once a week?

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i usually check every 4-7 days and when i see its low or empty then i refill it!

    • @billyplant4064
      @billyplant4064 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GloriasPlants Noted, thank you for the quick reply :)

    • @mayra7185
      @mayra7185 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you refill with just water or nutrient water?

  • @alexr2375
    @alexr2375 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well, if you're on a budget I got a 25 litre hydroton bag of leca for $22 amd OMG, nice variety shaped leca, not too big and some smaller pieces, also bought a small 8oz bottle of dynagro for 12$ and superthrive for $8 or something. So if you're not able to invest in larger quantity nutrients you can start with a small bottle that will still yield a lot of nutrient water.

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for sharing! I def find the start up cost to be a deterring factor for most people!

  • @mariavazquez2131
    @mariavazquez2131 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So im new to leca. Actually in the process of ordering some online right now, so before I buy, if im using distilled water all the time i dont need the ph balance stuff? And my plants wont die? I mainly have pothos and a monstera Deliciosa and all are clipping starting to root so no soil transferonh for me. Lmk please!

  • @louisabyrd2289
    @louisabyrd2289 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is it better to root a plant with Lecca or plain water. Thank you.

  • @you_r_my-world2288
    @you_r_my-world2288 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I like Lecca because I freaking hate gnat flies 😡 lol

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I hate fungus gnats too. I find they come out way more in the summer time or if you keep your soil too wet. Thank goodness for leca though..haven't seen a gnat in ages haha

  • @148kmartinez
    @148kmartinez ปีที่แล้ว

    I just changed my money tree into Leca about 1 week ago and her leaves are turning yellow. Help!! What’s wrong? Should I put it back into the soil?

  • @elizabethmuscatello3576
    @elizabethmuscatello3576 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So my main question is you said any of your plants 6in and under go into leca but once your plant needs to be reported do you change back to soil or stay to leca??

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I usually chop the roots if it grows too much and outgrows a 5-6 inch leca pot. I don’t really want super large plants. Plus if a plant gets too big it’ll be too too heavy to stay in leca so I prefer to use pon at that point!

  • @Enn-
    @Enn- ปีที่แล้ว

    Why do they need to be disinfected? Aren't they made by baking them in a kiln? I don't imagine they'd come in contact with anything organic between being fired in the kiln and packed in the bag you receive them in. Is contamination really a risk?

  • @davetong
    @davetong 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can you actually mix soil with leca for indoor plants like calathea? Thanks

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yah you can use leca as extra drainage for when you have plants in soil!

    • @davetong
      @davetong 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GloriasPlants thanks.

  • @laughlovelive15
    @laughlovelive15 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where do I find the links for the nutrients, etc that you talk about?

  • @louisabyrd7439
    @louisabyrd7439 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what do you do when lecca smells and can you still use it.

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      if it starts to smell it usually means the roots are rotting which is a very distinct smell. I would repot the plant in fresh leca after using some hydrogen peroxide on the roots. the old leca should be boiled in hot water to disinfect!

  • @mapofthesoultagme7143
    @mapofthesoultagme7143 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are they good for growing edible plants like common veggies and fruits?

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      not absolutely sure as i don't have a backyard for outdoor gardening which is usually needed for growing vegetables and fruits! i've only used leca for indoor houseplants!

    • @mapofthesoultagme7143
      @mapofthesoultagme7143 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GloriasPlants I don't mean using them outside. I have many fruits and veggies indoors too. Can leca balls work for those types of plants?

  • @6OceanSoul9
    @6OceanSoul9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm relieved to see that the ph check is not totally necessary, it looks like so much work

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yah i find that's just too much effort for me and not everyone cares about the pH!

  • @mayac2266
    @mayac2266 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It would be easier if there are demonstrations along with the explanation. Thanks for vid

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      i didn't want to buy new plants just to transfer into leca as all my plants are currently in semi hydro already. and i only made this video once i was sure my technique worked for me so i could share my knowledge with my viewers :D

  • @dsanford12
    @dsanford12 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why do you have to sterilize it to just reuse it , Wasn't it fine a week ago before? You decided to pull this plant out and put in a new one ?

  • @carolyngranda5152
    @carolyngranda5152 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I did learn from this. However, I think a physical on camera demonstration would have been more helpful. You lost me when you were talking about transferring a potted soil to leca and something about the roots. The transfer was my main reason for watching the video.

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i have lots of other repotting videos on my channel that you are welcome to check out! I only made this video once I more or less had all my plants in leca so that I had experience with it before sharing my knowledge with others

  • @tanyawaldner3715
    @tanyawaldner3715 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How much water should u put in the plant with lecca? Halfway? Up to where the stem meets the roots?past the stem?

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i usually only do 1/3rd of the way water and initially the roots shouldn't touch the water and only the leca wicks the water up to the roots

  • @maramccormack127
    @maramccormack127 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh my god. 30 dollars? It’s like 10 in Germany and it’s an even bigger bag. Anyway, I’ve just bought myself some leca and I’ve put my avocado in there. It seems to like it, but now I want to switch all my small guys to leca to.

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      lucky it's so cheap in germany! the leca lasts quite some time since its reusable!

  • @MrGeemonty
    @MrGeemonty 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You really should try and ph your nutrient solution. For hydroponics the optimal nutrient availability is 5.5-6.5. Plants will do way better. More than likely you don't have to adjust it but if you are too high or too low adjusting the ph will do wonders for your plants.

  • @user-qc8jk7sk1n
    @user-qc8jk7sk1n 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do you use any insecticide with Leca?

  • @t3chTut0r
    @t3chTut0r ปีที่แล้ว

    Careful with flushing the Leca dust down the drain. I heard that someone clogged their drainage like that.

  • @annaskhan9771
    @annaskhan9771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    have u tried growing phal orchids in leca

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have not. Mine seem to be happy in bark and moss mixture right now so I’m scared to move them 😣.

  • @mkit9235
    @mkit9235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you have to use nutritions?

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes because leca is just clay and doesn't have nutrients for the plant!

  • @rozniatka6510
    @rozniatka6510 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why do you need to use destiled water?

  • @komalthecoolk
    @komalthecoolk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gloria, you are so cute!

  • @wendyfit1
    @wendyfit1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you show us with an actual transplant from soil to Leca?

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i have previous videos where I transfer my plants from soil to leca - check out the melanochrysum one!

  • @michellereed479
    @michellereed479 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Instead of buying distilled water
    just fill up a bucket of tap water and let it sit for 48 hours, the chemicals will dissipate/ evaporate off the water.
    I've found my plants are equally as happy using this method than store bought distilled water.

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      glad that works for you! i find when i leave out tap water it still might cause some discoloration in the super sensitive plants such as calatheas and certain anthuriums though!

    • @mamabird2790
      @mamabird2790 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I did this until I realized that oxygen leaves the water eventually. By the time I used all the water, I feel like it wasn't any good.

    • @ah-ss7he
      @ah-ss7he 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GloriasPlants what about rain water?

  • @Scotchmist13
    @Scotchmist13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was told it is only necessary to boil leca that has been used previously. Brand new leca only needs to be washed, not boiled???

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      sometimes i get lazy to boil my leca especially if it just came out of the bag so i just rinse it thoroughly with hot water :P. but the best practice is definitely to boil it

    • @Scotchmist13
      @Scotchmist13 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GloriasPlants Ok thank you :)

  • @valariawhite647
    @valariawhite647 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Isn't distilled water just tap water left in a jug over time

    • @ah-ss7he
      @ah-ss7he 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good question

    • @CH-vm6cq
      @CH-vm6cq ปีที่แล้ว

      No. It's boiled and the accumulated steam becomes the distilled water. It completely eliminates the minerals.

  • @crowgirl7748
    @crowgirl7748 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    3 of my little plants rotted and died when I transfered them :(

    • @crowgirl7748
      @crowgirl7748 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But I am not giving up yet

    • @GloriasPlants
      @GloriasPlants  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      good i've def rotted my share of plants but it's important to keep trying and see what works for you!