Panamera, becouse i don't want to wait every time for charging ending. If they ever produce car with replaceable battery i will buy it car in pre-order phase.
1. VED is free for year two onwards. The government scrapped the luxury car surcharge for electric cars. 2. Don't know where the Taycan Turbo Insurance quote is from. Myself and must people on the Taycan forums are paying sub £1000 pa 3. Taycan range in real life is more like 250miles+. 4. The Taycan is a no brainer choice. 😁👍
i really want a taycan turbo s, but decided to get an e-tron and kept my panamera turbo s e-hybrid
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Insurance premium are charged according to where you live and risk associated. I've changed my car to a different address and my price went down 3/4 of original price.
Great video Rory - so now you have a permanent job comparing like for like across the whole of the EV vs dinosaur juice range! Best roll up your sleeves and crack on.....
You won't pay any VED in year 2 onwards for the Taycan. The Government made fully electric vehicles exempt from the £325 '£40k luxury charge' at the last budget.
Range, "refuelling" convenience and finances is why the vast majority will stick with ICE for as long as possible. That's all that matters to many people. My diesel can be refuelled in under 5 minutes giving me up to 800 miles of range. My car is paid for, I owe nothing because I paid cash. Why would I get myself into debt to buy a car that I can't charge at home (I live in a flat) and would give me a fraction of the range? I WOULDN'T, is the short answer. The only car that gives borderline acceptable range (to me) is the new Model S Long Range with it's claimed 379 miles.
@@hby7768 I only have one car and its 100% electric,I have no need for a gasoline car at all,it cover 280 miles in a single charge,most people when they travel far they buy an airplane ticket,nobody drives 3000 miles,thats why electric works for me it covers all my needs when im in town,work,school,market Etc..
And most people's EVs are refuelled in less than 30 seconds (to plug it in and unplug it the next day). Yes, if Bruno doesn't have a driveway then your point is valid. But: this is a 150k car... Bruno is going to have a driveway (the overwhelming majority of Brunos will). More seriously tho: 60% of British households have driveways. Many of us live in flats (for lots of reasons) but not everyone.
I had a 2016 Tesla and that thing was barely able to do a full day trip , you know the ones you cant buy a plane ticket for - didn’t even have enough range to make multiple pit stops to do some errands on my way home from a 160mile round trip. I now only use my etron as a daily driver. For camping, day trips, and multiple runs to meet clients i have a hybrid or my other non electric cars. The point is pure electric is not for everyone. Your analogy of buying a plane ticket is for substantial distances, not for practical half day long range destinations.
Rtfa Zeberdee Matt Watson is only 5’10” and he’s struggling for headroom in the Taycan. The Panamera is primarily an “exec” car, competing against an S class. So yes it was designed to have adults in the back. The Taycan was primarily designed for people who sit in the front, but because it was electric needed the car to be bigger for the batteries, hence a sedan instead of a 2+2 like a 911. They are different markets.
@@rtfazeberdee3519 "hence it's a sedan instead of a 2+2 like a 911". can you read? It's got 4 doors, but it's more in the shape of a CLS, with the practicality than a C class, as oppose to an S class.
Taycan all the way. i mean even without these numbers and figures, and I appreciate your going through them, but Taycan is just a beautiful beast. I can likely only afford the 4S though
Great point. I bought a different EV and I was shocked at the range of prices for insurance. That said: in the end the 330bhp EV I drive cost 40 GBP less per year to insure than the 170bhp ICE car I was driving (despite the ICE car having a much lower price). The Taycan may yet still be too new for the British underwriters/actuaries so many companies will price their quotes in order to avoid the business.
I'm conflicted. If I had the money, I just want the car I like the most, the one that's more enjoyable to drive I don't EV or not, or money, that doesn't matter so much to me. I'm not so rich that I can operate on a "money no object" basis so I'll just buy what's more affordable and factor in the enjoyability factor second, some what. Either way, the balancing act won't be the same.
Think we as humans are quite self centred we find it hard to put ourselves in others shoes. Just as an example a doctor or lawyer could be the ones to purchase this car. They will have the same thought processes about juggling price vs enjoyment everyone else has. It's just with a lot more money on the line. What you're thinking is of ultra millionaire business owners for who money is no object. Then you gotta ask yourself why are they buying a Porsche. Those people would be buying rolls's, Bentley's etc
We live in Alberta Canada and ended up picking up Taycan Turbo instead of Panamera Turbo. The Taycan cost of insurance in AB Canada is ~ 1700 CAD/year. I was surprised of the insurance cost in the UK
Can I blast my car audio, drive at 80-90mph, heated seats & or aircon from Birmingham to London non stop in an EV without sweating abt range? If i can then will consider EV.
Seybertooth good to hear. I was actually genuine, the idea of waiting to charge is what has been putting me off...getting to bhm then waiting a day for it to charge up again? I see most EVs driving at 60-65mph on the roads and i just cant do that.
Panamera 4S E-Hybrid: - 560 CV - 750 Nm - 3,7 s 0 to 100km/h - 298 km/h top speed - 800 km RANGE on the Autobahn at 180km/h - 130.000€ Taycan Turbo: - 625 CV - 550 Nm - 3,2 s 0 to 100km/h - 260 km/h top speed - 150km RANGE on the Autobahn at 180km/h - 159.000€ And the Panamera is much more comfortable and with a much nicer interior ... and I can drive all day without ever having to worry about range and spend hours charging, and it's € 30,000 cheaper.
Much better fella. Some personality, some facts, some consumer advice and some entertainment all wrapped in 7 minutes that we WANNA watch. STICK.TO.THE.FORUMLA. No need to go maverick with it.
I'll probably fall into the late majority or laggard category with EVs. I tend to buy and keep vehicles for at least 10 years, so I'll hold out and see how these EVs perform in the long run 👴🙂
If were going to be talking costs shouldn't we add in costs for repairs and such as well? That is the achilleas heel of any new technology, EVs included. Being new tech it is almost guaranteed to fail more, and again because it's newer it will cost more to fix. Not to mention battery pack replacements. If Nissan is charging 30K for a battery pack then I don't want to know what the kings of overpricing nickel and diming EVERYTHING Germans are going to charge! 50K? 60? No thanks! I'm sorry EVs are never going to catch on until we get rid of the battery and start using alternative methods like hydrogen or super capacitors. Too many limitations/inconveniences with traditional batteries.
LMAO hell no it not cheaper have you seen what the Taycan starts lmao they go up to 250k$!!!! I believe they start at 104k but good luck getting that price at a Porsche dealership, cheaper you can get a Panamera 30k or less yes older model but still Riding in luxury an style. LMFAO 😂😂
Of course Taycan. What a question. Driving a combustion machine is the new riding a horse. The only and biggest mistake is the 2nd name Tycan > TURBO, -Man! Why this Old-School name???
So the Taycan isn't just an electric version of the Panamera. It is a bit shorter and has less space in the back. It is not as luxurious in the back row, as you can get the Panamera with a large central console between the two seats, whereas you can't with the Taycan. I would say a fair analogy can be made with the BMW i4 M and the 8 series grand coupe - with the two representing the electric and the petrol powered Porsche respectively. Admitedly the i4 is not at all as luxurious or as fast as the Taycan, but the comparison still stands in terms of size.
Hydrogen is the future NOT electric, why is everyone obsessed with electric cars. Range is crap, cost loads and to mine lithium for batteries is not enviro friendly and no infrastructure in UK, which costs a fortune to install as well. Hydrogen can run in existing cars, by product is water and no new infrastructure needed. The costly bit is CO2 sucked out of atmosphere and producing hydrogen...but it’s already happening. See you tube vids about it.
Don't forget you can lease an EV via the salary sacrifice scheme (UK). This means lease payments are taken pre-tax so higher rate payers save 40%. Talk to your employer www.parkers.co.uk/car-tax/advice/guide-to-salary-sacrifice/
I think you’ve made a mistake here. Bruno is paying for the car but it’s also his company car. He’d offset the cost of the car against his profits so the payment would be reduced probably to zero. If it’s a company car the company buys it for you. You’ve set him up to fail having to pay for the car and also the benefit in kind payment.
In Norway the Taycan turbo costs the same, however due to the panamera being petrol, it gets a lot of extra taxes and an additonal horsepower tax(which isn’t on EV’s in Norway) so the panamera turbo in Norway costs 187.000 pounds. Which means the Taycan is waaaaaay cheaper
If you intend keeping the car a few years the Taycan is not a good idea. Battery technology is improving year on year, the Taycan will depreciate much more than the ICE car.
When you live in Australia and are not Bruno, dinosaur juice is the only way. No matter how badly you want it. There is a reason Australia has the worst climate policy in the top industrialized nations.
Of course a performance gas car is more expensive to buy/own than a performance electric car if the performance gas cars is already more expensive to buy/own than a base model car..
The Taycan is more to insure because in the event of an accident, it takes a hell of a lot more to dismantle ? Take the Electric Golf , its write off level is much sooner, for that reason.
I would buy an electric car, BUT, I don't buy cars on lease, I like to use bank loans as the APR is usually a lot less and there are no balloon payments or mileage penalties. And until I can buy a decent second hand EV (with some actual life left in the battery) for around 15K, I will have to choose ICE cars.
I won't be buying electric car as there will be tons of new electric car in the future I would go with the panamera or 911 turbo of even any other naturally aspirated car because they are gonna be rare and soon because of regulations and all they are dieing. I love petrol car and I am 19 may in the near future I would love to have a brand new one which I think would not be possible 😪
EV's are seen as the things that will kill ICE. More accurately they are the things that will kill BAD ice cars. The top sports cars and track cars such as a 911 GT3 rs will be petrol for a long time yet. So if you want to buy a petrol car that's actually worthwhile, they won't be going anywhere for a while yet. The shitty astra's and vw golf's of the world will be converted to electric which is a good thing
Why the Panamera Turbo and not the E-Hybrid 4 or Turbo S? They're cheaper (much lower taxes) and more "eco friendly". Also, the Taycan Turbo doesn't seem to be the best option for most people. Those who can will go for the Turbo S, but if you want to save some money, just get the 4S. Other than the Turbo, they are completely different cars.
Taycan or Panamera?... Cayman, and a second hand box for when you need another two seats? We have a new Boxster GTS and a VW California...:) and its still cheaper than one of those flashy hatchbacks... ;)
I don’t think that it’s fair to give such a tax advantage on these luxury cars. I would use this budget to build the infrastructure (I am thinking about electric chargers in shopping centers, gas stations, warehouses and public parkings). Or do we really want to save the planet 🌎 with the niche market of the very rich? Not everyone has a huge villa with a private garage for two cars.
@Rory In regards to the insurance I concur. I ran some VINs to my Allstate agent and with the other vehicles me and the wife own with full coverage and $500 deductible a Taycan would make our insurance cost $450/mo from our current $160/mo. In comparison a 992 Turbo S would be $300/mo to insure, a Panamera would be $230/mo, and for comparison of another brand we buy from a new Lexus Lc500 would make our insurance cost $200/mo ($40 more) and a LS500 would cost us $308/mo. Pretty interesting figures. This is $500k coverage per collision coverage, $35k PiP, free towing/accident forgiveness.
I have been invited by Porsche to drive the Taycan 4S Plus at the Salzburgring. They called it a Testival, but that is beside the point. Anyways, I was able to drive it through some of the most beautiful austrian countryroads and can thus confidently say: It is extremely competent, relaxing, fun and perfect as a daily. Due to the immens tax increas for ICE cars here in Austria the Taycan has immediately become a the number one go to for my next daily. I do love my current Macan and I am not going to switch cars right now, but in a few years, once the infrastructure has become more reliable, I want to try owning one, because I really loved it!
The screen doesn’t do justice to the Taycan, in real life it is splendid. In Germany, where I live, the charging infrastructure is well developed and EVs have had TCO lower than fossils since 3-4 years. I replaced my old Zoe with the new ZE50, better car, better range and even cheaper to run; will not go back to ICE, for economic reasons. Charging infrastructure is key, not vehicle range. Taycan’s 200 miles range is enough, provided you have enough Ionity charging units around.
Every year I do a couple of trips from England to Italy, Austria or Spain. We worked out one journey (using Tesla's route planning app) that doing the journey in a Tesla would add 6 hours onto the journey (not cool). And, you wouldn't easily be able to change routes to avoid traffic, due to range anxiety.
BIK and tax savings : there is a special tax range in the UK between 100K and 125K where the effective tax rate is 60% so the saving is even better - and Bruno might be that sort of person; if you need to ask, then you don't earn near this amount, and yes, I am saving 60% on my T3.
EVs do seem to be expensive to insure. I have just swapped a 3 year old Renault Zoe ZE40 for an 7 1/2 year old Mercedes SLK 200. The Mercedes is only £50 per year extra to insure. Everything else with the Zoe a quarter of the price (quarter of the fun though).
on the basis of those insurance figures i’m richer than bruno, he’s spending £1700 on insurance on a panamera turbo, and i’m paying £1800 on my astra ffs (no points too)
Dinosaur juice for now. It’s far enough to drive the 200 miles each way to my brothers every week without charging in both directions. Fuel stop 15 mins with visit to loo, charging time even on a fast charger?
Graham, King of the Britons! That’s a small trip for me. I have commuted everyday to the outskirts of Bristol from near London. Over 800 miles a week was not uncommon. Full fuel takes out 10 mins and hundreds on miles of range. It won’t be long I think until a reasonably I.E under £30 k can do over 400 miles without charge. Then I will be interested
The design of taycan is way better than panamera looks more futuristic and these costs you mentioned really stunned so its more informed decision to pick electric car as compared to panamera while you are getting the same realibilty from same company
Taycan or Panamera. Which would you pick? ⬇️
Tayacan
Panamera
Taycan ❤️
Panamera
Panamera, becouse i don't want to wait every time for charging ending. If they ever produce car with replaceable battery i will buy it car in pre-order phase.
After seeing the Taycan in person I really like it. Futuristic design with clear Porsche DNA. Taycan also wins on performance front for me
@2good2be4gotten 0-80% in 15 minutes. Pretty good.
@2good2be4gotten Yep, but if you’re slow charging, you’re probably at home for the night. It’s not a big deal at all.
Damn Bruno got good taste in cars
1. VED is free for year two onwards. The government scrapped the luxury car surcharge for electric cars.
2. Don't know where the Taycan Turbo Insurance quote is from. Myself and must people on the Taycan forums are paying sub £1000 pa
3. Taycan range in real life is more like 250miles+.
4. The Taycan is a no brainer choice. 😁👍
i really want a taycan turbo s, but decided to get an e-tron and kept my panamera turbo s e-hybrid
Insurance premium are charged according to where you live and risk associated. I've changed my car to a different address and my price went down 3/4 of original price.
@ True but that dosen't explain the quoted huge difference between the Taycan & Panamera assuming the quotes were for the same postcode.
Yea but in his scenario, you have 3 points on ur license.
Love the concept of this video. Great work as always!
Once again, great video Rory!
Interesting. Thank you for sharing your research. How about a comparison of plug-in hybrids to electric cars? I think that would be interesting.
Great video Rory - so now you have a permanent job comparing like for like across the whole of the EV vs dinosaur juice range! Best roll up your sleeves and crack on.....
EVs are just better. Most are cheaper, too. ICE is dying.
Yes, they are the future but EV's are like playing a video game. They're not *driving*.
I'm going to enjoy the last hurrah of the ICE while I can.
Yep. Just bought the Taycan Turbo. Looks also came into the equation.
Drove a Taycan Turbo ! Amazing car, stupidly fast and gorgeous
Once you go EV, you never go back. 1 word, Torque .
Don’t agree with the insurance point I’m paying less than the panamera for my Taycan Turbo with 6 years no claims.
I will pick Taycan over Panamera
Rory generally you nailed it so nithing to add. Ev is cheaper plus... Taycan is simply great car.
Regardless, I’d buy a Taycan over pretty much ANYTHING at the moment anyway. Interesting vid though...
Great video. Clear, comprehensive, ... dry subject made watchable. 👍👏🏼
The taycan is one EV I like
They r also selling very well, as Porsche has hired more workers to meet up with demand.
The taycan lit tho
You won't pay any VED in year 2 onwards for the Taycan. The Government made fully electric vehicles exempt from the £325 '£40k luxury charge' at the last budget.
But in the Indian car market, things are different.
The fuel us so expensive and electric charging stations are non existent.
Atleast you have nice weather
@@SM-ft2jv 😂
You can always charge from home I guess
Electric for me, when I get to change my car...and win the lotto. Taycan it is then
Range, "refuelling" convenience and finances is why the vast majority will stick with ICE for as long as possible. That's all that matters to many people. My diesel can be refuelled in under 5 minutes giving me up to 800 miles of range. My car is paid for, I owe nothing because I paid cash. Why would I get myself into debt to buy a car that I can't charge at home (I live in a flat) and would give me a fraction of the range? I WOULDN'T, is the short answer. The only car that gives borderline acceptable range (to me) is the new Model S Long Range with it's claimed 379 miles.
And wait till lucid motors come out with 517 miles in a single charge
ev is for people that have multiple cars. i wouldn't own pure electric as my only mode of transportation
@@hby7768 I only have one car and its 100% electric,I have no need for a gasoline car at all,it cover 280 miles in a single charge,most people when they travel far they buy an airplane ticket,nobody drives 3000 miles,thats why electric works for me it covers all my needs when im in town,work,school,market Etc..
And most people's EVs are refuelled in less than 30 seconds (to plug it in and unplug it the next day).
Yes, if Bruno doesn't have a driveway then your point is valid. But: this is a 150k car... Bruno is going to have a driveway (the overwhelming majority of Brunos will). More seriously tho: 60% of British households have driveways. Many of us live in flats (for lots of reasons) but not everyone.
I had a 2016 Tesla and that thing was barely able to do a full day trip , you know the ones you cant buy a plane ticket for - didn’t even have enough range to make multiple pit stops to do some errands on my way home from a 160mile round trip. I now only use my etron as a daily driver. For camping, day trips, and multiple runs to meet clients i have a hybrid or my other non electric cars. The point is pure electric is not for everyone. Your analogy of buying a plane ticket is for substantial distances, not for practical half day long range destinations.
The Panamera is designed to carry adults in the back. The Taycan isn't.
the Taycan can seat 2 * 6ft adults but then again, how many times do you have adults in the back seat?
Rtfa Zeberdee Matt Watson is only 5’10” and he’s struggling for headroom in the Taycan. The Panamera is primarily an “exec” car, competing against an S class. So yes it was designed to have adults in the back. The Taycan was primarily designed for people who sit in the front, but because it was electric needed the car to be bigger for the batteries, hence a sedan instead of a 2+2 like a 911. They are different markets.
@@DonLee1980 taycan is a 4 door so not a 2+2.
@@rtfazeberdee3519 "hence it's a sedan instead of a 2+2 like a 911". can you read? It's got 4 doors, but it's more in the shape of a CLS, with the practicality than a C class, as oppose to an S class.
@@rtfazeberdee3519 😏😏😏
Taycan all day, easy choice
So why can’t Sally also drive a high end Porsche ?
Because she doesn’t exist.
i personally don't like the design of the Taycan, i'd take the Panamera over it any day
Yes I would buy a Electric Car
EV
As for Dinosaur juice!!! Lol
Must be talking about Bruno Fernandez
Rory great vid I think I would go for the hybrid Panamera turbo as no range anxiety for 350 mile plus journey brilliant vids thanks 🙏
Taycan all the way. i mean even without these numbers and figures, and I appreciate your going through them, but Taycan is just a beautiful beast. I can likely only afford the 4S though
Great video. And thanks for the candid opening piece too 👍
Electric!
OK so hands up who else went to a price comparison site to check how much a Taycan would cost to insure immediately after this video had finished?
Great point. I bought a different EV and I was shocked at the range of prices for insurance. That said: in the end the 330bhp EV I drive cost 40 GBP less per year to insure than the 170bhp ICE car I was driving (despite the ICE car having a much lower price).
The Taycan may yet still be too new for the British underwriters/actuaries so many companies will price their quotes in order to avoid the business.
I’m looking forward to an all electric transit
Can you do the same video with an ID 3 vs the Golf 8?
I'm conflicted. If I had the money, I just want the car I like the most, the one that's more enjoyable to drive I don't EV or not, or money, that doesn't matter so much to me.
I'm not so rich that I can operate on a "money no object" basis so I'll just buy what's more affordable and factor in the enjoyability factor second, some what. Either way, the balancing act won't be the same.
Think we as humans are quite self centred we find it hard to put ourselves in others shoes. Just as an example a doctor or lawyer could be the ones to purchase this car. They will have the same thought processes about juggling price vs enjoyment everyone else has. It's just with a lot more money on the line.
What you're thinking is of ultra millionaire business owners for who money is no object. Then you gotta ask yourself why are they buying a Porsche. Those people would be buying rolls's, Bentley's etc
Electric. Done.
Taycan is a lovely EV ❤️
My Corsa with a blackbox and clean license for 3 years is just over £1700😭
5:10 BIG SHAQQ Quick maffs 🤣👍🏼
Dinosaur juice for the next 3 years at least
Love them both
We live in Alberta Canada and ended up picking up Taycan Turbo instead of Panamera Turbo. The Taycan cost of insurance in AB Canada is ~ 1700 CAD/year. I was surprised of the insurance cost in the UK
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Can I blast my car audio, drive at 80-90mph, heated seats & or aircon from Birmingham to London non stop in an EV without sweating abt range? If i can then will consider EV.
sure
That's 129 mi, so yes, no problem. Lot's of cars can. Certainly a Taycan. Hell, even a Fiat 500e can do that.
Seybertooth good to hear. I was actually genuine, the idea of waiting to charge is what has been putting me off...getting to bhm then waiting a day for it to charge up again?
I see most EVs driving at 60-65mph on the roads and i just cant do that.
Panamera 4S E-Hybrid:
- 560 CV
- 750 Nm
- 3,7 s 0 to 100km/h
- 298 km/h top speed
- 800 km RANGE
on the Autobahn at 180km/h
- 130.000€
Taycan Turbo:
- 625 CV
- 550 Nm
- 3,2 s 0 to 100km/h
- 260 km/h top speed
- 150km RANGE on the Autobahn at 180km/h
- 159.000€
And the Panamera is much more comfortable and with a much nicer interior ... and I can drive all day without ever having to worry about range and spend hours charging, and it's € 30,000 cheaper.
Much better fella. Some personality, some facts, some consumer advice and some entertainment all wrapped in 7 minutes that we WANNA watch. STICK.TO.THE.FORUMLA. No need to go maverick with it.
I'll probably fall into the late majority or laggard category with EVs. I tend to buy and keep vehicles for at least 10 years, so I'll hold out and see how these EVs perform in the long run 👴🙂
If were going to be talking costs shouldn't we add in costs for repairs and such as well? That is the achilleas heel of any new technology, EVs included. Being new tech it is almost guaranteed to fail more, and again because it's newer it will cost more to fix. Not to mention battery pack replacements. If Nissan is charging 30K for a battery pack then I don't want to know what the kings of overpricing nickel and diming EVERYTHING Germans are going to charge! 50K? 60? No thanks! I'm sorry EVs are never going to catch on until we get rid of the battery and start using alternative methods like hydrogen or super capacitors. Too many limitations/inconveniences with traditional batteries.
LMAO hell no it not cheaper have you seen what the Taycan starts lmao they go up to 250k$!!!! I believe they start at 104k but good luck getting that price at a Porsche dealership, cheaper you can get a Panamera 30k or less yes older model but still Riding in luxury an style. LMFAO 😂😂
Of course Taycan. What a question. Driving a combustion machine is the new riding a horse. The only and biggest mistake is the 2nd name Tycan > TURBO, -Man! Why this Old-School name???
I Like the Taycan but still would take the Panamera.
So the Taycan isn't just an electric version of the Panamera. It is a bit shorter and has less space in the back. It is not as luxurious in the back row, as you can get the Panamera with a large central console between the two seats, whereas you can't with the Taycan. I would say a fair analogy can be made with the BMW i4 M and the 8 series grand coupe - with the two representing the electric and the petrol powered Porsche respectively. Admitedly the i4 is not at all as luxurious or as fast as the Taycan, but the comparison still stands in terms of size.
Hydrogen is the future NOT electric, why is everyone obsessed with electric cars. Range is crap, cost loads and to mine lithium for batteries is not enviro friendly and no infrastructure in UK, which costs a fortune to install as well. Hydrogen can run in existing cars, by product is water and no new infrastructure needed. The costly bit is CO2 sucked out of atmosphere and producing hydrogen...but it’s already happening. See you tube vids about it.
Don't forget you can lease an EV via the salary sacrifice scheme (UK). This means lease payments are taken pre-tax so higher rate payers save 40%. Talk to your employer www.parkers.co.uk/car-tax/advice/guide-to-salary-sacrifice/
hi!
I think you’ve made a mistake here. Bruno is paying for the car but it’s also his company car. He’d offset the cost of the car against his profits so the payment would be reduced probably to zero. If it’s a company car the company buys it for you. You’ve set him up to fail having to pay for the car and also the benefit in kind payment.
Thanks a lot for the numbers. Turns out I'm more of a Citroen Ami man myself.
In Norway the Taycan turbo costs the same, however due to the panamera being petrol, it gets a lot of extra taxes and an additonal horsepower tax(which isn’t on EV’s in Norway) so the panamera turbo in Norway costs 187.000 pounds. Which means the Taycan is waaaaaay cheaper
we all know that Scandinavia is a fing communist
If you intend keeping the car a few years the Taycan is not a good idea. Battery technology is improving year on year, the Taycan will depreciate much more than the ICE car.
When you live in Australia and are not Bruno, dinosaur juice is the only way. No matter how badly you want it.
There is a reason Australia has the worst climate policy in the top industrialized nations.
Of course a performance gas car is more expensive to buy/own than a performance electric car if the performance gas cars is already more expensive to buy/own than a base model car..
The Taycan is more to insure because in the event of an accident, it takes a hell of a lot more to dismantle ? Take the Electric Golf , its write off level is much sooner, for that reason.
Brilliant presenter and very informative.
Paulo G
Rory plz make an autotrader podcast
Good informative vid. How about a mid range one now? It’s important to weigh up the options for people. 😊
Taycan 4 me. Insurance ouch but apart from that no brainier plus insurance it has to reduce eventually
Taycan
I’m trading in my 2018 Porsche Panamera for a 2021 taycan.
Nice Marvel picture in the background
Ok..but how much does it cost to replace the battery and when?
Tycan is a monster!!!!!!
You spelt maths wrong mate, it’s maffs init?
I would buy an electric car, BUT, I don't buy cars on lease, I like to use bank loans as the APR is usually a lot less and there are no balloon payments or mileage penalties. And until I can buy a decent second hand EV (with some actual life left in the battery) for around 15K, I will have to choose ICE cars.
A used Hyundai Ioniq is almost in that price range. Batteries are holding up well. Very efficient car.
Nice.ordering mine right away😭
Why you don't choose a normal picture for bruno ????
The problem is this only applied probably in europe not in Asia.
Wrong pure electric VED is free get your Facts right 😡
Taycan
Facelifted Panamera Turbo S
Could you please do used German sports car for 55k
I won't be buying electric car as there will be tons of new electric car in the future I would go with the panamera or 911 turbo of even any other naturally aspirated car because they are gonna be rare and soon because of regulations and all they are dieing. I love petrol car and I am 19 may in the near future I would love to have a brand new one which I think would not be possible 😪
EV's are seen as the things that will kill ICE. More accurately they are the things that will kill BAD ice cars. The top sports cars and track cars such as a 911 GT3 rs will be petrol for a long time yet. So if you want to buy a petrol car that's actually worthwhile, they won't be going anywhere for a while yet.
The shitty astra's and vw golf's of the world will be converted to electric which is a good thing
Do your homework. These Porsche’s are garage queens.
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Why the Panamera Turbo and not the E-Hybrid 4 or Turbo S? They're cheaper (much lower taxes) and more "eco friendly". Also, the Taycan Turbo doesn't seem to be the best option for most people. Those who can will go for the Turbo S, but if you want to save some money, just get the 4S.
Other than the Turbo, they are completely different cars.
Taycan or Panamera?... Cayman, and a second hand box for when you need another two seats? We have a new Boxster GTS and a VW California...:) and its still cheaper than one of those flashy hatchbacks... ;)
I don’t think that it’s fair to give such a tax advantage on these luxury cars. I would use this budget to build the infrastructure (I am thinking about electric chargers in shopping centers, gas stations, warehouses and public parkings). Or do we really want to save the planet 🌎 with the niche market of the very rich? Not everyone has a huge villa with a private garage for two cars.
@Rory
In regards to the insurance I concur. I ran some VINs to my Allstate agent and with the other vehicles me and the wife own with full coverage and $500 deductible a Taycan would make our insurance cost $450/mo from our current $160/mo. In comparison a 992 Turbo S would be $300/mo to insure, a Panamera would be $230/mo, and for comparison of another brand we buy from a new Lexus Lc500 would make our insurance cost $200/mo ($40 more) and a LS500 would cost us $308/mo.
Pretty interesting figures. This is $500k coverage per collision coverage, $35k PiP, free towing/accident forgiveness.
I have been invited by Porsche to drive the Taycan 4S Plus at the Salzburgring. They called it a Testival, but that is beside the point. Anyways, I was able to drive it through some of the most beautiful austrian countryroads and can thus confidently say: It is extremely competent, relaxing, fun and perfect as a daily. Due to the immens tax increas for ICE cars here in Austria the Taycan has immediately become a the number one go to for my next daily. I do love my current Macan and I am not going to switch cars right now, but in a few years, once the infrastructure has become more reliable, I want to try owning one, because I really loved it!
The screen doesn’t do justice to the Taycan, in real life it is splendid. In Germany, where I live, the charging infrastructure is well developed and EVs have had TCO lower than fossils since 3-4 years. I replaced my old Zoe with the new ZE50, better car, better range and even cheaper to run; will not go back to ICE, for economic reasons. Charging infrastructure is key, not vehicle range. Taycan’s 200 miles range is enough, provided you have enough Ionity charging units around.
Every year I do a couple of trips from England to Italy, Austria or Spain. We worked out one journey (using Tesla's route planning app) that doing the journey in a Tesla would add 6 hours onto the journey (not cool). And, you wouldn't easily be able to change routes to avoid traffic, due to range anxiety.
Tony B Did you include break time with the journey in case of the ICE? Range anxiety is pretty much non existent if you own a Tesla by the way.
BIK and tax savings : there is a special tax range in the UK between 100K and 125K where the effective tax rate is 60% so the saving is even better - and Bruno might be that sort of person; if you need to ask, then you don't earn near this amount, and yes, I am saving 60% on my T3.
EVs do seem to be expensive to insure. I have just swapped a 3 year old Renault Zoe ZE40 for an 7 1/2 year old Mercedes SLK 200. The Mercedes is only £50 per year extra to insure. Everything else with the Zoe a quarter of the price (quarter of the fun though).
on the basis of those insurance figures i’m richer than bruno, he’s spending £1700 on insurance on a panamera turbo, and i’m paying £1800 on my astra ffs (no points too)
Taycan is not £320 a year in RFL
Dinosaur juice for now. It’s far enough to drive the 200 miles each way to my brothers every week without charging in both directions. Fuel stop 15 mins with visit to loo, charging time even on a fast charger?
Graham, King of the Britons! I tend not to stop also those longe range versions are more than my budget.
Graham, King of the Britons! That’s a small trip for me. I have commuted everyday to the outskirts of Bristol from near London. Over 800 miles a week was not uncommon. Full fuel takes out 10 mins and hundreds on miles of range. It won’t be long I think until a reasonably I.E under £30 k can do over 400 miles without charge. Then I will be interested
Nice machine
The design of taycan is way better than panamera looks more futuristic and these costs you mentioned really stunned so its more informed decision to pick electric car as compared to panamera while you are getting the same realibilty from same company