Thank you. I would like to thank the person who compiled all the episode related to this Operation Orchid into one. Very much appreciated, RIP the poor little souls xx
It’s the way the press described him as a ‘rent boy’ that always got to me. Jason was an abused child. And the way they described his death as occurring during a ‘homosexual orgy that went wrong.’ It was the orchestrated gang rape of a vulnerable boy. I’ve never forgotten poor Jason or little Barry and Mark. The gang were the most appalling and depraved pieces of evil filth. I still find it utterly sickening and heart rending.
Jason Swift's story is absolutely heart breaking. Like so many other victims of this kind of thing, he lived a truly tragic life. The definitive book about the Sidney Cooke gang, 'Lambs to the Slaughter' discusses his life in some details. He'd come from a very chaotic family and had been in care before, perhaps the only happy time in his life. Sadly, he ended up on the streets looking for the love he never had. When he went missing, not one of his family went to look for him. Indeed, his mother didn't even pass on the postcard she'd received from him to the police. He'd previously been picked up in Soho and, tragically, at Heathrow Airport, just wandering round dreaming of escaping from his life. One of the most shocking things is what happened during the period he disappeared. Apart from being trafficked to Southend for a period, he spent most of that period living in Lennie Smith's flat - which was actually just a few metres from his sisters' flat. Lennie Smith was "pimping" him out at Victoria station and had pretty much convinced him that he was the only person who cared for him. It's also believed that a friend of Jason's was actually also in the flat when Jason was murdered, but that boy has never been traced. It makes you wonder what happened to him. Police investigations also traced men to Newcastle, Durham, Aberdeen and Wales, that they believed were also in the flat when the murders occurred. There was insufficient evidence to prosecute, although a small paedophile gang in Wales was busted as a result. As for Barry Lewis, he had a very similar start in life. Again, he came from a very chaotic family. His father had no contact, and his mother had a lot of problems, to the extent that she had actually given up caring for Barry during the week and a neighbour was looking after him. It's believed that Sidney Cooke abducted him, on his way back from working at a local fairground. It's all a really clear insight into what was going on in Britain back in the 20th century. It wasn't a golden era at all, despite what some people will try and tell you. Looking back, it was like very little had changed since Victorian times. Chaotic families, rampant poverty, child welfare virtually non existent, and a vice scene in our major cities that was often brazen. London in particular had serious problems with paedophiles and runaway kids around the various train stations and in Piccadilly Circus.
Unfortunately this appalling treatment of children still goes on today with the grooming gangs operating for decades, those government files about child sex abuse that “went missing” and feeble sentences for paedophiles.
@@KirstyLoomams i got my copy second hand on ebay, i've just finished it and will be listing it to sell in the next couple of weeks (broke my foot so don't know when i will be able to get to the post). it fills in the gaps about these crimes. i'm definitely including imran from preston in the tally and linking daniel handley. the gay scene was national with many drifters, they all knew one another and before the days of internet there would be court case reports in regional newspapers of offenders that they could welcome into the fold.
This had me in tears 😭 we lived near to Barry and had been away for the weekend got back Sunday evening and everyone was looking for him. My son at the time was 8 so I've always been so grateful he wasn't out that weekend, there for the grace of god. RIP Barry ❤️🙏❤️
BLESS his little soul he was so cute & just looked like a sweet little boy... I am so sorry for everyone that knew these children the POS that does these horrible things should NEVER be let out!!
27:36 Who was this homosexual? It's disturbing that the detective is describing sex between a child and an adult as a relationship. It's called abuse. My entire day is ruined, listening to that.
Its because on the crimewath appeal they asked men to come forward who had encounters with Jason and they wouldn't be reprisals, calling it abuse would also scare others coming forward.
It's amazing how many kids were murdered from my childhood and never solved. We got some of the Ronald Jebson's though. RIP little ones. Glad that caught this scumbag.
@@MM0SDK it was beyond belief to think what those disgusting less than sick depraved persons did to Barry, Jason and all the other poor innocent child victims, before they murdered them, judgement day is awaiting them all......
what puzzles me is that of all of his family, his special schools and care home stints - did no one ever question what had happened to his front teeth? time and time again (eg. hammersmith nude murders 1960s) people have been found dead with their front teeth knocked out because their abuser doesn't want to risk getting bitten - fellatio causing asphyxiation. tv documentaries can't directly say it but the books do.
The murder of Jason Swift had a profound effect on UK society. Perhaps it was the reconstruction. I don't think any other crimewatch case included such a detailed portrayal of such a tragic figure. I remember my mother being particularly traumatised by it. You must remember that this was the period when Robert Black was still at large. Parents all over Britain were terrified for their children. The result was probably (and I'm not exaggerating) the largest reduction in childrens' freedom in history. The effect of these 1980s murders cannot be overestimated.
You're absolutely correct. Robert Black abducted & murdered 10 year old Sarah Harper from Leeds. She was going to the corner shop to buy a loaf of bread. That was the first time as an 11 year old i learnt that monster's really did exist and they live amongst us. All of a sudden we weren't allowed to go anywhere on our own, we weren't allowed to wander & roam around our estate nor could we stay out till it got dark anymore in the summer!
@@sarah5893 I know. Caroline Hogg was last seen at Fun City amusements in Portobello, Edinburgh. I used to visit it regularly. It was near the Fine Fare supermarket so we used to make a day of it. I guess my situation was a bit different. My father was a psychiatric nurse at the Carstairs State Hospital. And I'll tell you this now. A lot of stuff was covered up. There were murders that the police and coroners said were misadventure etc.
Great point - the 80s were really an appalling time in many ways. It's when child abuse and murder really started to make an imprint on the public perception. As someone said, it wasn't until the 1980s until the British public even started to like children. The UK had the highest rate of violent crime in Europe in the 80s and it showed. One of the cases that also always sticks in my mind was the murder of 15 year old Maartje Tamboeze by the Railway killers - they'd put a wire across a cycle path to make her dismount from her bike. That terrified me for years afterwards. Sadly, there are still so many child murder cases from that era that are still unsolved. Kevin Hicks, Vishal Mehrotra, Lee Boxell and Martin Allen who was abducted in broad daylight from a London tube station in November 1979 and never seen again.
no one should have to do that. sorry you had to but comfort yourself that at least he was found. mark tildesley has never been found and the family never got closure.
How can people see a man carrying a semi-unconscious boy and don't think anything, let alone call 999 is beyond me. Not long ago a woman in the US was kidnapped from her home and a neighbor not only saw, but got a partial number plate and called police. She was rescued less than a day later, chained in the vehicle. She'd never have been rescued in the UK.
Yes, why is that? It makes me frightened to visit the UK knowing no one will come to my defense or aid if I needed help. In the US I've met three different lost visitors from the UK. I immediately helped them out to get them back on track and stayed with them until they got on their way. They seem surprised someone would do that for them. That's what we do in Texas. In fact there have been tourists who have lost everything and the local news channel would set up a bank account so people can help them out. Many people quickly donate. Once a couple lost everything and received over $10,000.00 in less than a week. In Texas we want people to think well of our fair city while visiting here, that's how we are in Texas.
if it happened now... People would have taken photos, with their phone, plus cctv everywhere abd called the police, back then the bastards got away with it so easy, no DNA evidence either. Just remember the 30 odd people saw Jamie Bulger being dragged for miles by the evil ten year old shits, people back then seemed to not give a shit
Completely different times back then to now. Don’t judge the UK on how attitudes were back in the early 80’s! People are much more aware and likely to report this sort of thing now. It’s very sad…people didn’t like to say anything for fear of being seen to interfere. It’s infuriating. So sad. May they rest in peace 😢
These cases are from the 1980s. Even allowing for the differences in population, the UK has nothing like the level of violent crime and serial killers that the US had in the 1980s and still has now. I have no doubt most people seeing the strange circumstances of Barry being carried around would call the police these days.
I don't understand why the lady that rented the caravan to Jason didn't ring the police if she thought he was only 12 surely to god alarm bells would have gone off in her head that it's not normal to rent caravans to 12 year old kids.
I watch a few of these Crime Watch shows. I noticed random people would hear screams, noticed strange things or even noticed people being abducted and not call the police or even come forward until much later when they hear someone is missing or murdered. I find that strange since people want others to come to their aid if they were in danger but do nothing when someone else is in danger.
I agree, but my only pause for thought is it was 1985. I vividly remember the change between the 80s and 90s when my own parents became much more protective and the culture seemed to shift. In the 90s, I suspect the lady would have thought she should call the authorities. But the 80s really were different, following on from earlier years. People didn’t intervene and kids ran wild.
Horrible! God please bless these dedicated policemen who must endure these types of investigations. It stays like a constant stain in their memories, for life, overshadowing their years of stalwart service to the community! How grateful we must be to them.
@@MsVanorak he’s the only one left. If only he’d admit where he buried little Mark Tildesley before he dies and joins the rest of those monsters in hell.
Additionally, it must be remembered that Sydney Cooke was born in 1927. These offences were in his late 50s. Gabb, understandably was convinced that these were not the only murders. It's chilling but he probably started his offending in the 1940s.
It's terrifying isn't it, and points towards how child abuse just wasn't on the radar at all until relatively recently. I think Cooke's earliest conviction was in the 1960s for molesting a boy in a cinema. He really is a link almost to the horrors of the Victorian age - he himself really is a product of the age he grew up in and he had been regularly sexually abused by his uncle. He fought in the war and had also been married. Places like Piccadilly Circus had been notorious since the 1800s for places to pick up 'rent boys'. It only really changed in the early noughties when it all went online instead. I'm sure Cooke knows an awful lot of things and it'll be interesting to see if anything comes out when he dies. He certainly knew a lot of people, and had been close friends with Ronald Jebsen, the 1970s 'Babes in the Wood' killer. There is a theory that the gang didn't start killing until Lennie Smith was involved. Cooke had previously used him as a rent boy but he had later joined the gang and Cooke had apparently grown to dislike him. Cooke even made an anonymous phone call to the police, tipping them off about Lennie Smith at the flat, no doubt wanting to be rid of him. Certainly though, he is a very, very nasty piece of work. Apparently he was mortified when Harold Shipman was brought into the same prison as him - he wanted to always be considered the worst one in there. He was supposedly jubilant when Shipman killed himself.
he was got for fondling a boy in the cinema in the early 1960s and abused family members where he lodged as a farm worker in the 70s/80s but that has only just come to light. i think they were dubbed the 'dirty dozen' because of ruth ellis (last woman to be hanged uk 1955) who was being handled/mind controlled by a man called desmond cussen - as in imperial leather soap. so they cock-a-snook at the law working in their favour.
Poor, poor Jason. Your parents failed you sweetheart. The full details of what happened were not given for good reason. I hope you are at peace tonight darling.
I know. It seems like a very self-centered, foolish thing to do. Obviously he would have to turn to prostitution to survive, and that was likely to result in his death. And he stole from his sister, too!
Those poor boys. Hideously raped and tortured by Cooke and his cronies. Why we even let these evil perverse things out of prison I'll never know, they won't, can't and don't want to change. I'm sure there's many more young teenagers buried somewhere. I think Cooke was charged with murdering another lad later on too. Rest in Peace Barry and Jason and Mark ❤
vishal mehrotra, imraan vohra, lee boxall, mark tildesley, damien nettles, andrew gosden, kevin hicks, colin maxwell, stephen clark, stephen newring, michael monaghan, sean mcgann and others. nothing provenn nothing found - just names of missing or murdered. and i don't think they were gender specific.
Law Enforcement seems to look down on rent boys as if they enjoy this lifestyle. Yet, they had more respect when dealing with the renters of boys for their gratification. Seems to me they are more disgusting than any poor lost lonely boy. They are boys.
I watched a Roger cook program from 87 .a judge said a pedophilie who collected child abuse images was no worse than a stamp collecter and he ended up doing 6 months.other pedophiles said the girls are willing and he was doing nothing wrong
"I rather took to him really" Such a nice lad by the sounds of it, but a bit troubled and sadly met a terrible end. To think i only lived a few miles from him in Hastings at the time, when he was in that caravan. So glad we have DNA advances in technology now that seems to be a good deterrent
It's the same story repeated time and time again. Kids growing up in unstable families, end up in care, and never have any emotional roots. They end up looking for the love and care they never had when very young, and it leads them into very dark places. So many kids who've been in recent abuse cases have had similar backgrounds.
@@zeddeka Absolutely correct , and what's even more sad is that Jason obviously had some special educational need too , he only got by because he was a streetwise city kid but that's no good if you are surrounded by such horrific criminals , in that environment he had no chance 😔
These coppers look absolutely haunted , although they have seen some evil shit in their career , but this is probably not the half on it , they've almost certainly been told to shut mouths or lose everything they have ever worked for so these monsters in high places can keep things nicely covered up . Too sad
Mate, you need to get over this paranoid conspiracy theory bull shit that child abuse is only carried out by shadowy elites. If we've learned anything from these cases it's that child abuse happens at all levels of society. The Sidney Cooke gang who murdered Jason and Barry were overwhelmingly working class, living in abject poverty, had all had traumatic lives, and several of whom had pretty bad learning difficulties. We know that poor areas with chaotic families are the hotbeds of where child abuse happens. Just look at what happened recently in the black country where 21 people on a council estate were arrested, or why Blackpool is the sex offender capital of the UK
I wanna know why they NEVER put a wire on the guy in the same cell Leslie was confessing to? I believe so much more info they would've got & could've nailed all of them who ever does this to a child should die or NEVER see daylight again it's just SICK & DISGUSTING RIP TO ALL THE VICTIMS & I am scared to even think about how many victims their truly is!!
I suspect Jason was being abused even before he met the dozen, possibly in the care home or by men in his family home. Where the hell was his father? WHY wasn't he protecting his child?
@adonai yah Jason was at an Islington care home where they took children to the seaside. In the months after Jason's death, a huge scandal broke out that care staff at multiple Islington homes were abusing children and Margaret Hodge didn't do anything to ensure the protection of those children on grounds that the reporting was"anti gay". A survivor of the Islington home abuse requested her files and Jason's files from the home, but they were destroyed purposefully. Jason also filed a complaint against a wealthy film editor, possibly Derek Jarman for sexually abusing him, but later suspiciously withdrew his complaint. All this information is from the spotlight on abuse, needle, and Cathy fox blogs.
@imjustvisiting5397 ive been intrigued by jasons case since 2016 and i want to know everything possible. Theres many things which dont make sense in my opinion, mostly the environmental, circumstantial and motivation of the crime. The location is bizarre too ive been there 4 times at least
@adonai yah I suspect it was Derek Jarman, because the timelines match. I did alot of research and Hampstead came up alot. I could be wrong, but this is what I concluded based on some of the content created by Derek Jarman particularly justifying the abuse of rentboys.
There's a book about Jason Swift & the Sidney Cooke paedophile ring: Lambs to the Slaughter. I read it back in 1995 & it still traumatises me what happened to that young boy & others like him.
@@elle37gb31 I don’t understand why they protect each other for! If capital punishment was still in place, the crimes would definitely drop. Back in the 80s they got away with so much! Look at Jimmy Savile, gosh the massive send off he had! Wasn’t till years later all his secrets unraveled
@@naznaz4508 Jimmy Savile was making the BBC lots of money and to be honest sexual abuse wasn't spoken about then, I read the book on these murders Jason's murder was so horrific the jury all cried but at the trail they tried to blame it on him a 14yr old vulnerable boy who went to a school for children with special needs was being blamed in court for his own murder none of them served more than 9yrs for his murder
@@elle37gb31 the thing I don’t understand is why weren’t missing children headline news back in the 70s 80s?? Only thing that made headlines were the moor murders… it made me aware that When the culprits stated that there were over 20 children murdered, then there was the phone line that hoped to get the boys talking, but only for vast amount parents of missing children all got in touch. It wasn’t till late 90s & Millennium onward missing children would make headline news, for the media it’s be a field day as they’d just constantly pasted the front pages with eye catching headlines, the media really did spread the news and ppl were more alert.. such as the girls from Soham, April, Billie Jenkins…. Back in the 70s-80s there were politicians, police inspector and other senior members from all walks of like were all into this Paedophilia…
@@naznaz4508 they were trying to do away with the age of consent just look at the amount of MPs that supported The Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) which was a British pro-paedophile activist group, founded in October 1974 and were legal upto when they disbanded in 1984 and class played a massive part as well, most working class kids were the victims, they still look down on the working class kids now
Martin Allen aged 12 1979 disappeared London, Sidney Cooke was interviewed by the police no conclusion, and of course Vishal Mehrotra 8 disappeared 1981 body was found police suspected Cooke and co.
Could be upwards of 20 plus boys bodies laying undiscovered around this country police said..all attributed to this gang of germs! The young Asian lad..he disappeared on charles an Diana wedding day I think..I dont recall ever there being a trial for him or any justice of any size or proportion..?.. WHY? And never heard anything about a 12 yr old martin..??.. things regarding this dont add up for me..
Crimewatch was a brilliant show which probably helped the police loads.Always kinda scared me but made me kinda streetwise as a kid.... always remember the joy McKenzie murder for some reason..just stuck in my head...i was only 8...scared the crap outa me!
I'm very confused about this horrific crime. Why was this child missing for 6 months and nobody seemed to look for him. He was 14 years of age he should of been protected I feel very very upset about this poor child.
I watched a thing about him and apparently he would go off on his own quite often and would keep contact with his family... thing's were a bit different back then ..lads would do stuff like that and it would be fine just lads being lads ...times changed massively...you must also remember things like peadofilla were hidden and Taboo to talk about and people would turn a blind eye
To justify abuse. The police officer claiming he was in a relationship with an older man before, made no sense. A 13/14 year old cannot be in a consenting relationship with an adult He was clearly abused by that older man before he ran away
Having watched other documentaries, it seems he was a lost soul from a troubled background. It seems that he enjoyed travelling round as a kind of escapism. Because of his family life, he seems to have had no emotional roots. Bless his soul.
@@susand9296 ive been thinking about this for a while. There's evidence of him being abused before this and the fact he was killed on the exact same estate his sister was living at the same time. I dont know how much they knew
Jason Swift's case reminds me of the case of Karen Price. Two poor lost souls, desperately searching for love and finding only abuse, exploitation and murder.
My aunt lived in the same area as little barry and she told me the police were forced to arrest sidney Cooke for his own protection cause people were looking for cooke with the intention of seriously or fatally injuring him
Just so heartbreaking, how a young and extremely vulnerable boy can be exploited like that - then he gets labelled a rent boy?! And that he had a 'relationship' with an older man? He was clearly groomed...just shows how society really views paed...philia.
In london in the 80s you used public toilets at your own risk. Freaky perverts were everywhere. Clapham common at night was a very strange place.full of dodgey MP's,doctors,soliciters and other apparently proffessional freaks.
Real Police Officers back then who earn the respect they deserved Nothing like todays police These cops wouldn’t be told who to arrest and who to leave alone God bless all these policemen
You're bloody joking aren't you? If we know anything about the police back then is that they were corruption was absolutely rampant. Have you ever actually heard of the Daniel Morgan case?
I fear your comment is based on utterly fantastical hope and propaganda. There are pretty good grounds to say you, and the currently 5 souls who endorse your unfounded comment are unfortuntaly naive. If you examine the case files of Kincora you will find evidence of cover up. And in the north Wales care homes scandal, 300 former care children wrote statements alledging the abuse was orchestrated and far wider than the care home staff. Those abused are often further betrayed by the very system that originally failed them. The truth is far darker than the rose tinted view you project.
I thought and thought what Jason was running from. He had a nice home with his sister and after he ran away, he was sleeping on the streets. What could be worse than being assaulted by God knows how many men.
I don't understand why was this child missing for 6 months no one was concerned , why the mother wasn't concerned this is very annoying don't really understand why people that saw that the young boy was an conso😢😢😢😢very touching
@@joshuaaaron125 I assume you're either not familiar with the case or being flippant. Cooke's sentence for the manslaughter of Swift was reduced to sixteen years on appeal in 1989, and he was paroled nine years later in April 1998.[19] He told an appeals court that Bailey was the ringleader of the gang.[20] Cooke's parole caused huge public outrage, which was exacerbated by a plan to move him to a hostel near two schools,[21][22] and the fact that Cooke himself admitted that he might re-offend if he was released. While in prison, Cooke refused to take part in any rehabilitation sessions.[23] Police refused to disclose the location to which he was to be moved,[24] smuggling him out of prison to avoid a vigil for his victims.[23] For the next nine months, Cooke lived in a suite of cells at Yeovil police station at his own request, rarely venturing out in public.[3]
This is so bizzare how blatantly he abducted that wee boy in broad daylight and in front of people > obviously it was his confidence that threw people off 😬
@@bdave9012 he was only about 12-14 at the time ..he`s family were gypsy`s ,thats what we all belived. strange all the family had heterochromia. none of them to bright but ok people . i think he was easy lead .
Thank you. I would like to thank the person who compiled all the episode related to this Operation Orchid into one. Very much appreciated, RIP the poor little souls xx
Poor Jason has been treated unfairly by life. He deserved so much better. Hearing his story makes me feel so sad.
Heartbreaking 💔 poor Jason
That poor young man never had a decent chance in life 😢
It’s the way the press described him as a ‘rent boy’ that always got to me. Jason was an abused child. And the way they described his death as occurring during a ‘homosexual orgy that went wrong.’ It was the orchestrated gang rape of a vulnerable boy. I’ve never forgotten poor Jason or little Barry and Mark. The gang were the most appalling and depraved pieces of evil filth. I still find it utterly sickening and heart rending.
@@MzzJusta It makes me wonder what goes on in the minds of people that can think it's anything but rape.
Jason Swift's story is absolutely heart breaking. Like so many other victims of this kind of thing, he lived a truly tragic life. The definitive book about the Sidney Cooke gang, 'Lambs to the Slaughter' discusses his life in some details. He'd come from a very chaotic family and had been in care before, perhaps the only happy time in his life. Sadly, he ended up on the streets looking for the love he never had. When he went missing, not one of his family went to look for him. Indeed, his mother didn't even pass on the postcard she'd received from him to the police. He'd previously been picked up in Soho and, tragically, at Heathrow Airport, just wandering round dreaming of escaping from his life.
One of the most shocking things is what happened during the period he disappeared. Apart from being trafficked to Southend for a period, he spent most of that period living in Lennie Smith's flat - which was actually just a few metres from his sisters' flat. Lennie Smith was "pimping" him out at Victoria station and had pretty much convinced him that he was the only person who cared for him. It's also believed that a friend of Jason's was actually also in the flat when Jason was murdered, but that boy has never been traced. It makes you wonder what happened to him. Police investigations also traced men to Newcastle, Durham, Aberdeen and Wales, that they believed were also in the flat when the murders occurred. There was insufficient evidence to prosecute, although a small paedophile gang in Wales was busted as a result.
As for Barry Lewis, he had a very similar start in life. Again, he came from a very chaotic family. His father had no contact, and his mother had a lot of problems, to the extent that she had actually given up caring for Barry during the week and a neighbour was looking after him. It's believed that Sidney Cooke abducted him, on his way back from working at a local fairground.
It's all a really clear insight into what was going on in Britain back in the 20th century. It wasn't a golden era at all, despite what some people will try and tell you. Looking back, it was like very little had changed since Victorian times. Chaotic families, rampant poverty, child welfare virtually non existent, and a vice scene in our major cities that was often brazen. London in particular had serious problems with paedophiles and runaway kids around the various train stations and in Piccadilly Circus.
Thanks for your comment, sheds a lot more light on the whole horrible situation these boy’s were in 😭
Unfortunately this appalling treatment of children still goes on today with the grooming gangs operating for decades, those government files about child sex abuse that “went missing” and feeble sentences for paedophiles.
Thanks for sharing your comments. Please can I ask where you bought the book from? It's out of print now but I would like to read it.
@@KirstyLoomams i got my copy second hand on ebay, i've just finished it and will be listing it to sell in the next couple of weeks (broke my foot so don't know when i will be able to get to the post). it fills in the gaps about these crimes. i'm definitely including imran from preston in the tally and linking daniel handley. the gay scene was national with many drifters, they all knew one another and before the days of internet there would be court case reports in regional newspapers of offenders that they could welcome into the fold.
I can't find it anywhere, except for eBay and it's£180 believe it or not@@jademelrose8765
This had me in tears 😭 we lived near to Barry and had been away for the weekend got back Sunday evening and everyone was looking for him. My son at the time was 8 so I've always been so grateful he wasn't out that weekend, there for the grace of god.
RIP Barry ❤️🙏❤️
Poor Barry 😔 bless his little soul
BLESS his little soul he was so cute & just looked like a sweet little boy... I am so sorry for everyone that knew these children the POS that does these horrible things should NEVER be let out!!
What was he like
This is one of the most tragic crimewatches I've watched.
Same
27:36 Who was this homosexual? It's disturbing that the detective is describing sex between a child and an adult as a relationship. It's called abuse. My entire day is ruined, listening to that.
Its because on the crimewath appeal they asked men to come forward who had encounters with Jason and they wouldn't be reprisals, calling it abuse would also scare others coming forward.
There was a lot of pressure from pedophiles to be accepted. Peter Tatchell was prominent in promoting it
This one is perhaps the most frightening for anyone with sons. This gang is one of the most despicable gangs in crime watch’s history
Search "The Family" murders in South Australia with Bevan Spencer von Einem. He was a similar paedophile with shocking killings.
Agree. It’s awful. I’ve got 3 sons between 11&13 and it hits very hard.
I have 6 sons aged 2,4,12,17 18 and 22 and this really scares me
I've 3. 19 17 15
Thanks for all these retro crimewatch uk videos, R.I.P to all those gone long before their time......🙏🙏🙏
It's amazing how many kids were murdered from my childhood and never solved. We got some of the Ronald Jebson's though. RIP little ones. Glad that caught this scumbag.
@@MM0SDK it was beyond belief to think what those disgusting less than sick depraved persons did to Barry, Jason and all the other poor innocent child victims, before they murdered them, judgement day is awaiting them all......
Jason wasn’t “associated” with the Gay community… he was 14! He was obviously being abused and used. So sad
what puzzles me is that of all of his family, his special schools and care home stints - did no one ever question what had happened to his front teeth? time and time again (eg. hammersmith nude murders 1960s) people have been found dead with their front teeth knocked out because their abuser doesn't want to risk getting bitten - fellatio causing asphyxiation. tv documentaries can't directly say it but the books do.
People claiming parents nowadays are too protective, need to remember cases like these
The murder of Jason Swift had a profound effect on UK society. Perhaps it was the reconstruction. I don't think any other crimewatch case included such a detailed portrayal of such a tragic figure. I remember my mother being particularly traumatised by it. You must remember that this was the period when Robert Black was still at large. Parents all over Britain were terrified for their children. The result was probably (and I'm not exaggerating) the largest reduction in childrens' freedom in history. The effect of these 1980s murders cannot be overestimated.
You're absolutely correct. Robert Black abducted & murdered 10 year old Sarah Harper from Leeds. She was going to the corner shop to buy a loaf of bread. That was the first time as an 11 year old i learnt that monster's really did exist and they live amongst us. All of a sudden we weren't allowed to go anywhere on our own, we weren't allowed to wander & roam around our estate nor could we stay out till it got dark anymore in the summer!
@@sarah5893 I know. Caroline Hogg was last seen at Fun City amusements in Portobello, Edinburgh. I used to visit it regularly. It was near the Fine Fare supermarket so we used to make a day of it. I guess my situation was a bit different. My father was a psychiatric nurse at the Carstairs State Hospital. And I'll tell you this now. A lot of stuff was covered up. There were murders that the police and coroners said were misadventure etc.
@@BazanaduThat's shocking...these people should be held accountable...such sad tadgic cases
Great point - the 80s were really an appalling time in many ways. It's when child abuse and murder really started to make an imprint on the public perception. As someone said, it wasn't until the 1980s until the British public even started to like children. The UK had the highest rate of violent crime in Europe in the 80s and it showed. One of the cases that also always sticks in my mind was the murder of 15 year old Maartje Tamboeze by the Railway killers - they'd put a wire across a cycle path to make her dismount from her bike. That terrified me for years afterwards. Sadly, there are still so many child murder cases from that era that are still unsolved. Kevin Hicks, Vishal Mehrotra, Lee Boxell and Martin Allen who was abducted in broad daylight from a London tube station in November 1979 and never seen again.
@@zeddeka just been reading bout those cases ..chilling!!parents worst nightmare coming true!!
I was the SOCO at Chingford Police Station, I dug Barry out of the field, it has haunted me ever since.
Details?
Her useless bf is as much to blame
@@13strange67 what ?
So is the story of him being decapitated and head found in a bin not true ?
no one should have to do that. sorry you had to but comfort yourself that at least he was found. mark tildesley has never been found and the family never got closure.
According to Wikipedia, Sydney Cooke is still inside. At 96 years of age he's been consistently denied parole.
Nobody can actually find out if he’s dead or alive
Rightly so sicko
he's poorly and they want him to divulge the whereabouts of mark tildesley before he pops off.
remember when this was on the news in 1986 about his murder, i was only aged 12 then. 40 years later I still remember jason.
How can people see a man carrying a semi-unconscious boy and don't think anything, let alone call 999 is beyond me. Not long ago a woman in the US was kidnapped from her home and a neighbor not only saw, but got a partial number plate and called police. She was rescued less than a day later, chained in the vehicle. She'd never have been rescued in the UK.
Yes, why is that? It makes me frightened to visit the UK knowing no one will come to my defense or aid if I needed help.
In the US I've met three different lost visitors from the UK. I immediately helped them out to get them back on track and stayed with them until they got on their way. They seem surprised someone would do that for them. That's what we do in Texas. In fact there have been tourists who have lost everything and the local news channel would set up a bank account so people can help them out. Many people quickly donate. Once a couple lost everything and received over $10,000.00 in less than a week. In Texas we want people to think well of our fair city while visiting here, that's how we are in Texas.
if it happened now... People would have taken photos, with their phone, plus cctv everywhere abd called the police, back then the bastards got away with it so easy, no DNA evidence either. Just remember the 30 odd people saw Jamie Bulger being dragged for miles by the evil ten year old shits, people back then seemed to not give a shit
Completely different times back then to now. Don’t judge the UK on how attitudes were back in the early 80’s! People are much more aware and likely to report this sort of thing now. It’s very sad…people didn’t like to say anything for fear of being seen to interfere. It’s infuriating. So sad. May they rest in peace 😢
These cases are from the 1980s. Even allowing for the differences in population, the UK has nothing like the level of violent crime and serial killers that the US had in the 1980s and still has now. I have no doubt most people seeing the strange circumstances of Barry being carried around would call the police these days.
People didn't have mobile phones then..not as easy to just call the police, especially driving travelling
I don't understand why the lady that rented the caravan to Jason didn't ring the police if she thought he was only 12 surely to god alarm bells would have gone off in her head that it's not normal to rent caravans to 12 year old kids.
I watch a few of these Crime Watch shows. I noticed random people would hear screams, noticed strange things or even noticed people being abducted and not call the police or even come forward until much later when they hear someone is missing or murdered. I find that strange since people want others to come to their aid if they were in danger but do nothing when someone else is in danger.
@@theresahenderson3534 Yeah i totally agree with you, i will never understand why people act like they haven't seen anything until it's to late.
I agree, but my only pause for thought is it was 1985.
I vividly remember the change between the 80s and 90s when my own parents became much more protective and the culture seemed to shift. In the 90s, I suspect the lady would have thought she should call the authorities. But the 80s really were different, following on from earlier years. People didn’t intervene and kids ran wild.
he was 14, but different times kids had more freedom then today.. plus she liked him felt sorry for him
My heart bleeds for these victims .
The perpetrators should be made to suffer immensely . I wonder what happens in countries like Pakistan
Horrible! God please bless these dedicated policemen who must endure these types of investigations. It stays like a constant stain in their memories, for life, overshadowing their years of stalwart service to the community! How grateful we must be to them.
And the BLM anarchists want the police defunded.
Poor little Barry .. and Jason and any other innocents who were murdered . so sorry . These two monsters made so many kids suffer. Rot in hell 🤬
There was a whole gang of them
one of them - sidney cooke is stiil alive in his 90s
@@MsVanorak he’s the only one left. If only he’d admit where he buried little Mark Tildesley before he dies and joins the rest of those monsters in hell.
@@MzzJusta it's his power trip
@@MsVanorak yes
Additionally, it must be remembered that Sydney Cooke was born in 1927. These offences were in his late 50s. Gabb, understandably was convinced that these were not the only murders. It's chilling but he probably started his offending in the 1940s.
It's terrifying isn't it, and points towards how child abuse just wasn't on the radar at all until relatively recently. I think Cooke's earliest conviction was in the 1960s for molesting a boy in a cinema. He really is a link almost to the horrors of the Victorian age - he himself really is a product of the age he grew up in and he had been regularly sexually abused by his uncle. He fought in the war and had also been married. Places like Piccadilly Circus had been notorious since the 1800s for places to pick up 'rent boys'. It only really changed in the early noughties when it all went online instead. I'm sure Cooke knows an awful lot of things and it'll be interesting to see if anything comes out when he dies. He certainly knew a lot of people, and had been close friends with Ronald Jebsen, the 1970s 'Babes in the Wood' killer.
There is a theory that the gang didn't start killing until Lennie Smith was involved. Cooke had previously used him as a rent boy but he had later joined the gang and Cooke had apparently grown to dislike him. Cooke even made an anonymous phone call to the police, tipping them off about Lennie Smith at the flat, no doubt wanting to be rid of him.
Certainly though, he is a very, very nasty piece of work. Apparently he was mortified when Harold Shipman was brought into the same prison as him - he wanted to always be considered the worst one in there. He was supposedly jubilant when Shipman killed himself.
he was got for fondling a boy in the cinema in the early 1960s and abused family members where he lodged as a farm worker in the 70s/80s but that has only just come to light. i think they were dubbed the 'dirty dozen' because of ruth ellis (last woman to be hanged uk 1955) who was being handled/mind controlled by a man called desmond cussen - as in imperial leather soap. so they cock-a-snook at the law working in their favour.
He was being used trafficked! Seriously sad. Really got me. RIP Jason you poor lad. My heart goes out. 😊
The Nonce had no children ( the Ukrainian 'wife' ) was initially arrested for being an accomplice
Poor, poor Jason. Your parents failed you sweetheart. The full details of what happened were not given for good reason. I hope you are at peace tonight darling.
The only people to blame here are those who killed him
@@Hoffinator something doesn't add up
@@adonaiyah2196 You mean like why did the perpetrators get very small prison sentences ?
No the monsters are to blame not the family
You’re right specially his father. Big friggin failure all around
Why did Jason run away from his sister ? Why wasn’t the family out there looking for him and calling the police when he ran away ?
Probably because he was gay.
Jason was a neglected child with a chaotic home life and his parents were not looking out for him. Very sad.
He had an appalling life. Not one of them went to look for him. His mother didn't even report the postcard she'd got from him to the police.
I know. It seems like a very self-centered, foolish thing to do. Obviously he would have to turn to prostitution to survive, and that was likely to result in his death. And he stole from his sister, too!
@@zeddekaHis sister looked out for him.
Those poor boys. Hideously raped and tortured by Cooke and his cronies. Why we even let these evil perverse things out of prison I'll never know, they won't, can't and don't want to change. I'm sure there's many more young teenagers buried somewhere. I think Cooke was charged with murdering another lad later on too. Rest in Peace Barry and Jason and Mark ❤
vishal mehrotra, imraan vohra, lee boxall, mark tildesley, damien nettles, andrew gosden, kevin hicks, colin maxwell, stephen clark, stephen newring, michael monaghan, sean mcgann and others. nothing provenn nothing found - just names of missing or murdered. and i don't think they were gender specific.
Law Enforcement seems to look down on rent boys as if they enjoy this lifestyle. Yet, they had more respect when dealing with the renters of boys for their gratification. Seems to me they are more disgusting than any poor lost lonely boy. They are boys.
I watched a Roger cook program from 87 .a judge said a pedophilie who collected child abuse images was no worse than a stamp collecter and he ended up doing 6 months.other pedophiles said the girls are willing and he was doing nothing wrong
I know the term is relevant for the time period, but they’re not rent boys. They’re victims of child sexual exploitation.
London seems like a horrible and dangerous place in the 1980's.
It is in 2021 too.
How's it looking now 2023.
Was way better than today's society.
Try living in victorian London.
Bad people inhabit all of history.
@KMartin-jf5kw Oh, but it is. It's getting worse too 😞.
@KMartin-jf5kw it's a dumping ground.
"I rather took to him really" Such a nice lad by the sounds of it, but a bit troubled and sadly met a terrible end. To think i only lived a few miles from him in Hastings at the time, when he was in that caravan. So glad we have DNA advances in technology now that seems to be a good deterrent
It's the same story repeated time and time again. Kids growing up in unstable families, end up in care, and never have any emotional roots. They end up looking for the love and care they never had when very young, and it leads them into very dark places. So many kids who've been in recent abuse cases have had similar backgrounds.
@@zeddeka Absolutely correct , and what's even more sad is that Jason obviously had some special educational need too , he only got by because he was a streetwise city kid but that's no good if you are surrounded by such horrific criminals , in that environment he had no chance 😔
and cameras everywhere too
These coppers look absolutely haunted , although they have seen some evil shit in their career , but this is probably not the half on it , they've almost certainly been told to shut mouths or lose everything they have ever worked for so these monsters in high places can keep things nicely covered up . Too sad
Many have said this is the worst case
Apparently Jasons injuries were the worse the coroner had seen and he'd seen A LOT
@@adonaiyah2196 What kind of injuries?
@@imjustvisiting5397 what do you think
@@adonaiyah2196 Right..Sorry, I asked that question. They didn't discuss the injuries in the private areas in detail. So, I didn't think about it.
Mate, you need to get over this paranoid conspiracy theory bull shit that child abuse is only carried out by shadowy elites. If we've learned anything from these cases it's that child abuse happens at all levels of society. The Sidney Cooke gang who murdered Jason and Barry were overwhelmingly working class, living in abject poverty, had all had traumatic lives, and several of whom had pretty bad learning difficulties. We know that poor areas with chaotic families are the hotbeds of where child abuse happens. Just look at what happened recently in the black country where 21 people on a council estate were arrested, or why Blackpool is the sex offender capital of the UK
How could a human being used so cheaply
So depraved. I can’t imagine how these children felt in their last moments. It makes me want to weep for eternity.
mad how he carried Barry around for time and no one questioned it
The 'celeb.', judicial, & political domaines are riddled with this type of outrage.
I wanna know why they NEVER put a wire on the guy in the same cell Leslie was confessing to? I believe so much more info they would've got & could've nailed all of them who ever does this to a child should die or NEVER see daylight again it's just SICK & DISGUSTING RIP TO ALL THE VICTIMS & I am scared to even think about how many victims their truly is!!
They apparently wanted to, but there was some kind of problem at the prison
What about the boy who disappeared at Paddington station 😮
I suspect Jason was being abused even before he met the dozen, possibly in the care home or by men in his family home. Where the hell was his father? WHY wasn't he protecting his child?
Me too no reason for him to just get up and leave his sisters place. How come they didnt notify the authorities of his disappearance
@adonai yah Jason was at an Islington care home where they took children to the seaside. In the months after Jason's death, a huge scandal broke out that care staff at multiple Islington homes were abusing children and Margaret Hodge didn't do anything to ensure the protection of those children on grounds that the reporting was"anti gay". A survivor of the Islington home abuse requested her files and Jason's files from the home, but they were destroyed purposefully. Jason also filed a complaint against a wealthy film editor, possibly Derek Jarman for sexually abusing him, but later suspiciously withdrew his complaint. All this information is from the spotlight on abuse, needle, and Cathy fox blogs.
@imjustvisiting5397 ive been intrigued by jasons case since 2016 and i want to know everything possible. Theres many things which dont make sense in my opinion, mostly the environmental, circumstantial and motivation of the crime. The location is bizarre too ive been there 4 times at least
@@imjustvisiting5397 what makes you think it was Derek jarman
@adonai yah I suspect it was Derek Jarman, because the timelines match. I did alot of research and Hampstead came up alot. I could be wrong, but this is what I concluded based on some of the content created by Derek Jarman particularly justifying the abuse of rentboys.
I was only 5 in 1985 but do remember this..especially Barry Lewis being in the paper . Really awful. Rip Barry And Jason 😢
There's a book about Jason Swift & the Sidney Cooke paedophile ring: Lambs to the Slaughter. I read it back in 1995 & it still traumatises me what happened to that young boy & others like him.
Leslie Bailey was murdered in prison… the rest got more protection after this incident
he was the only one convicted of Barrie Lewis, the police also thought there was at least 10 men involved in Jason's murder as well
@@elle37gb31 I don’t understand why they protect each other for! If capital punishment was still in place, the crimes would definitely drop. Back in the 80s they got away with so much! Look at Jimmy Savile, gosh the massive send off he had! Wasn’t till years later all his secrets unraveled
@@naznaz4508 Jimmy Savile was making the BBC lots of money and to be honest sexual abuse wasn't spoken about then, I read the book on these murders Jason's murder was so horrific the jury all cried but at the trail they tried to blame it on him a 14yr old vulnerable boy who went to a school for children with special needs was being blamed in court for his own murder none of them served more than 9yrs for his murder
@@elle37gb31 the thing I don’t understand is why weren’t missing children headline news back in the 70s 80s?? Only thing that made headlines were the moor murders… it made me aware that When the culprits stated that there were over 20 children murdered, then there was the phone line that hoped to get the boys talking, but only for vast amount parents of missing children all got in touch. It wasn’t till late 90s & Millennium onward missing children would make headline news, for the media it’s be a field day as they’d just constantly pasted the front pages with eye catching headlines, the media really did spread the news and ppl were more alert.. such as the girls from Soham, April, Billie Jenkins…. Back in the 70s-80s there were politicians, police inspector and other senior members from all walks of like were all into this Paedophilia…
@@naznaz4508 they were trying to do away with the age of consent just look at the amount of MPs that supported The Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) which was a British pro-paedophile activist group, founded in October 1974 and were legal upto when they disbanded in 1984 and class played a massive part as well, most working class kids were the victims, they still look down on the working class kids now
Martin Allen aged 12 1979 disappeared London, Sidney Cooke was interviewed by the police no conclusion, and of course Vishal Mehrotra 8 disappeared 1981 body was found police suspected Cooke and co.
Could be upwards of 20 plus boys bodies laying undiscovered around this country police said..all attributed to this gang of germs! The young Asian lad..he disappeared on charles an Diana wedding day I think..I dont recall ever there being a trial for him or any justice of any size or proportion..?..
WHY? And never heard anything about a 12 yr old martin..??.. things regarding this dont add up for me..
What this piece didn't say was that there had been a fair near to where Barry went missing and that creature Cooke was seen there.
“Robert Oliver was a pathetic individual…”’ gosh! The choice of words that was used then
And the choice was spot on. Not only pathetic but barbaric.
Now days the main concern would be respecting his pro nouns and giving him a choice of male or female prison , 😢
Crimewatch was a brilliant show which probably helped the police loads.Always kinda scared me but made me kinda streetwise as a kid.... always remember the joy McKenzie murder for some reason..just stuck in my head...i was only 8...scared the crap outa me!
Horrific, those poor boys 😢
I can't stop crying, about these innocent boys Jason Swift , Barry Lewis and other children😢😢😢😢😢 this is very touching
I'm very confused about this horrific crime. Why was this child missing for 6 months and nobody seemed to look for him. He was 14 years of age he should of been protected I feel very very upset about this poor child.
I watched a thing about him and apparently he would go off on his own quite often and would keep contact with his family... thing's were a bit different back then ..lads would do stuff like that and it would be fine just lads being lads ...times changed massively...you must also remember things like peadofilla were hidden and Taboo to talk about and people would turn a blind eye
Steve Nurcombe, Jason Swift's brother who worked in a gay bar said that Jason was not gay, then why does everyone keep insisting on that?
To justify abuse. The police officer claiming he was in a relationship with an older man before, made no sense. A 13/14 year old cannot be in a consenting relationship with an adult
He was clearly abused by that older man before he ran away
This case is so upsetting and disturbing pure evil . To think what terror, fear and pain these poor boys went through makes me so angry. .
What was Jason running from? Something was happening.
Having watched other documentaries, it seems he was a lost soul from a troubled background. It seems that he enjoyed travelling round as a kind of escapism. Because of his family life, he seems to have had no emotional roots. Bless his soul.
His bedwetting problem MAY suggest he was abused before he ran away. He went from the frying pan to the fire, so to speak.
@@susand9296 ive been thinking about this for a while. There's evidence of him being abused before this and the fact he was killed on the exact same estate his sister was living at the same time. I dont know how much they knew
@@zeddeka escaping from what though
@@adonaiyah2196 Makes you think was Jason known to Cooke and everyone else before they took him to that flat ?
Why are the sentences so light? No justice for the victims, and the ability to re-offend upon release, what a sick joke...
Jason Swift's case reminds me of the case of Karen Price. Two poor lost souls, desperately searching for love and finding only abuse, exploitation and murder.
Jason ran away. Why?
It was certainly a very bad idea.
My aunt lived in the same area as little barry and she told me the police were forced to arrest sidney Cooke for his own protection cause people were looking for cooke with the intention of seriously or fatally injuring him
Hopefully, the likes of Sir Jimmy Savile and his connections were also checked.
Does that photofit not look like one of man who took Martin allen?
Andrew Gosden
Exactly what came to my mind
January, 2022, 2 b@sta@rds were arrested for his kidnap, trafficking and possession of indecent images.
What are the odds that Barry was playing out and walking home at the exact same time, in the exact area, the exact street as that creature Bailey?
Just so heartbreaking, how a young and extremely vulnerable boy can be exploited like that - then he gets labelled a rent boy?! And that he had a 'relationship' with an older man? He was clearly groomed...just shows how society really views paed...philia.
In london in the 80s you used public toilets at your own risk.
Freaky perverts were everywhere.
Clapham common at night was a very strange place.full of dodgey MP's,doctors,soliciters and other apparently proffessional freaks.
Poor Jason. He never had a chance among these evil individuals. Awful to think of what he went through.
Yeah very surprising that the lady that rented the lady didn't phone the police , very sad story😢😢😢😢😢
Real Police Officers back then who earn the respect they deserved
Nothing like todays police
These cops wouldn’t be told who to arrest and who to leave alone
God bless all these policemen
You're bloody joking aren't you? If we know anything about the police back then is that they were corruption was absolutely rampant. Have you ever actually heard of the Daniel Morgan case?
I fear your comment is based on utterly fantastical hope and propaganda. There are pretty good grounds to say you, and the currently 5 souls who endorse your unfounded comment are unfortuntaly naive. If you examine the case files of Kincora you will find evidence of cover up. And in the north Wales care homes scandal, 300 former care children wrote statements alledging the abuse was orchestrated and far wider than the care home staff. Those abused are often further betrayed by the very system that originally failed them. The truth is far darker than the rose tinted view you project.
Ironic how technology now helps catch these monsters and also helps them in their depraved behaviour
i actually know one police officers on this case he said it's nightmare that sticks in your brain even in 2023
I thought and thought what Jason was running from. He had a nice home with his sister and after he ran away, he was sleeping on the streets. What could be worse than being assaulted by God knows how many men.
I don't understand why was this child missing for 6 months no one was concerned , why the mother wasn't concerned this is very annoying don't really understand why people that saw that the young boy was an conso😢😢😢😢very touching
I'll never understand how Cooke made it out of prison alive.
Hes still in prison
@@joshuaaaron125 I assume you're either not familiar with the case or being flippant.
Cooke's sentence for the manslaughter of Swift was reduced to sixteen years on appeal in 1989, and he was paroled nine years later in April 1998.[19] He told an appeals court that Bailey was the ringleader of the gang.[20] Cooke's parole caused huge public outrage, which was exacerbated by a plan to move him to a hostel near two schools,[21][22] and the fact that Cooke himself admitted that he might re-offend if he was released. While in prison, Cooke refused to take part in any rehabilitation sessions.[23] Police refused to disclose the location to which he was to be moved,[24] smuggling him out of prison to avoid a vigil for his victims.[23] For the next nine months, Cooke lived in a suite of cells at Yeovil police station at his own request, rarely venturing out in public.[3]
@@davidoconnell4100 he’s currently in a cat a prison so I’m not being flippant
The thumbnail is effing terrifying. So sorry Barry & Jason.
School headmaster looks like Trevor MacDonald
Gruelling but compusive viewing.
rip barry and jason
Naturally the UK establishment dit not want this case to go further
Jason took his monopoly set with him shows that he was still a young boy bloody tragic life😢
Law is an arse.
WTF carrying about with a child WTF WTF!!!!???
Very very sad case.
So awful , to think he could have been caught at petrol station or on the road and Barry could have been saved 😢
Why we keep protecting these men by realising them into the community to victimised children
This is so bizzare how blatantly he abducted that wee boy in broad daylight and in front of people > obviously it was his confidence that threw people off 😬
29:23 Paddy from Emmerdale 🤣 🤣
Huh ??
I wonder why the kid didn't scream for help
He was drugged, also scared.
Barry was terrified, but also he was drugged to be compliant.
She rented a caravan to a 12yr old 🤔🤔🤔
Stephen Barrell i lived not 50 yards from him and his family . real oddballs that lot
What age was he? What was his occupation?
@@bdave9012 he was only about 12-14 at the time ..he`s family were gypsy`s ,thats what we all belived. strange all the family had heterochromia. none of them to bright but ok people . i think he was easy lead .
Believe sidney Cooke was caught for both these murders
Leslie Bailey admitted killing Jason and Barry
Leslie bailey confessed repented if you like.i noted that most abused not all but some become abusers.a cycle .
Many male abusers claim to have been abused. It’s often not true. Also striking that female abuse victims rarely hurt anyone.
@@secretsquirrel5764 Different dynamic
I am so angry at hearing sh17 like that especially from alleged experts
Monsters.